FISA: The Cavein Begins

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Legislation
Posted on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:36:43 PM EST
Tags: (all tags)

Share This: Digg!

Via Spencer Ackerman, Sen. Russ Feingold sees the cavein beginning:

Asked whether he would attempt to filibuster any bill that comes up prior to the Senate’s adjournment for the August recess, Feingold said he would prefer to be able to give his stamp of approval to the measure. “But at the moment I’m feeling a little worried that that isn’t going to be possible,” he said. “It’s not moving in the direction that I’m hoping, but I think it might be moving in the wrong direction, in which case the options have to be potentially utilized.”

I can tell you this, if the Democratic Congress gives Alberto Gonzles MORE power to approve warrantless surveillance, then there should be hell to pay with the progressive activists and bloggers. What I want to know specifically is who is supporting the Bush version of the FISA amendment. And if any of the Senator/Presidential candidates is. Senators Obama, Clinton, Dodd and Biden, if you vote for Bush FISA amendment, I hope to gawd you catch hell for it.

< O'Reilly Gets One Right; Dodd Sticks It To Him | Authorization To Use Force in Waziristan >

Legal

Nothing on this site should be construed as legal advice. TalkLeft does not give legal advice.

TalkLeft is not responsible for and often disagrees with material posted in the comments section. Read at your own risk.

FISA: The Cavein Begins | 26 comments (26 topical)

Readers Must Login or Create an Account to Comment

before our very eyes (5.00 / 1) (#4)
by Sumner on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 06:00:18 PM EST

You can actually see the metamorphosis of America happening in real time.

Did the definition change, or did we change? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Bob In Pacifica on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 11:10:40 PM EST

Go here:

http://southofheaven.typepad.com/south_of_heaven/2007/06/18/index.html

and scroll down past the story on the panda skulls and read the essay, "Did the definition change, or did we change?"

As much as I wish the Democrats had the courage to stand up to BushCo, really, most of us don't realize what we expect them to stand up to. In 1967 Garrison discussed how Congress will become a debating society. He wasn't wrong.

: Hey Bob... (none / 0) (#18)
by Edger on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:59:50 AM EST

Here are some ways to make links like this one.

Sadly, it should be obvious by now (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Edger on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 05:26:11 AM EST

that except for a very few Reps and Senators, unfortunately the "Democratic" Congress, in spite of all disingenuous posturing is more interested in cooption of the peace movement and power than progressivism.

They made that clear on Mon Mar 12, 2007, and they've continued to sharpen and clarify it ever since...

So Boehner spills (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by aj12754 on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 07:07:14 AM EST

the backstory on why it's so imperative to get Alberto even more power vis-a-vis the TSP -- turns out a FISA judge has placed the administration in a bind by declaring a key portion illegal. We'd better hope Leahy and SChumer and Conyers and Waxmen and Pelosi and Reid have strong stomachs and stronger backbones. And that some Republicans (ANY Republicans) are finally overcome by the stench floating their way from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Big Tent (1.00 / 1) (#5)
by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 08:51:41 PM EST

There is nothing more heart breaking than unrequited love.

Frankie and Johnny were sweethearts
Lordy, how they could love
Swore to be true to each other
Yeah, true to the skies above
He was her man, wouldn't do her no wrong

Jimbo (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by Militarytracy on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 09:14:11 PM EST

Just because your heart is shattered into a million pieces don't be expecting me to join you. I don't pin my heart to fairytales anymore. I read the Cinderella Complex a long time ago, and since have embraced that politics is pressure and often not anything any grander or more delightful than that. You might be Peter Pan but that doesn't make me Tinkerbell.


Tracy (1.00 / 1) (#13)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:17:23 AM EST

I know you wonder off everynow and then, but go back and read the post, especially this as written by BTD.

I can tell you this, if the Democratic Congress gives Alberto Gonzles MORE power to approve warrantless surveillance, then there should be hell to pay with the progressive activists and bloggers.

Now let me help you. Big Tent is putting the Demos on notice if they don't do what he wants, the Left bloggies should give them hell.

Now fast forward to my comment. The song Frankie and Johnny has several versions, probably the Jimmie Rodgers veresion the best known, but the essence of each is that they are lovers, Johnny does bad things and Frankie makes him pay.

See the point now????

No charge for the education.


No, I still don't see your point (none / 0) (#20)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 01:08:54 PM EST

Politicians aren't my lovers. They can have my vote or have my wrath but not my heart or my love. I place no politicians on pedestals these days. I will admit though that getting to this place required some growing up from me. I do come from stock that desired to be propositioned by past Presidents carrying the big D banner. I've come a long way baby!


Tracy (1.00 / 1) (#21)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 01:32:12 PM EST

analogy

resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike

I find it hard to believe that you didn't catch on, but thinking back over some of your comments, I can see where you wouldn't be able to grasp the sarcasm provided by using an analogy to demonstrate the ill feelings generated by the (Johnny)Demos not following the wishes of those (Frankie)that feel they are responsible for the Demos winning back Congress.

They done you wrong.

Now, if that still doesn't get through, just don't worry that pretty little head about it.

;-)


: I don't self identify with them I guess the (none / 0) (#23)
by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 02:41:21 PM EST

way you want me to. I don't plan on it either. Like I said, I have learned and when it comes to politics a good politician is neither born or made but is pressured.

Yes there is (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by aj12754 on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 03:07:32 PM EST

unmitigated stupidity and willful ignorance.


Wrong link, dude. (none / 0) (#1)
by Geekesque on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:40:43 PM EST

The FISA cave in is depressing.

: Fixed (none / 0) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:47:57 PM EST

Thanks.

holding dems accountable (none / 0) (#3)
by wakeupamerica on Thu Aug 02, 2007 at 05:49:06 PM EST

come on big tent,you and I both know that the voteres arent going to hold the dems accountable for anything.the republicans have screwed things up so bad that hardly anyone will vote for them.and americans have shown that they dont care if you spy on them,there scared to death of the terrorist.

: That is exactly what he pushes for. (none / 0) (#16)
by Edger on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:32:08 AM EST

Am I missing something? (none / 0) (#10)
by ctrenta on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:07:29 AM EST

With all due respect... and I REALLY mean it.... but why are progressive activists and bloggers to blame? For not pressuring the Dems enough on this? Did I miss something? I'm assuming you're not letting the Democratic leadership off the hook for caving in but I would just like some clarification. I would assume progressive bloggers and activists would be all over the Dems trying to stop this bill.

Your question (none / 0) (#12)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:13:02 AM EST

makes no sense to me. Who blamed bloggerS?


Read your comment. (3.00 / 2) (#14)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:19:19 AM EST

I know you meant "from" and not "with."


No (4.00 / 2) (#17)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:35:47 AM EST

The proper word is "with."

As in he'll have hell to pay with me if he does that.

Who's the person here who's second language is English? I thought it was me.


asdf (none / 0) (#19)
by ctrenta on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 12:42:34 PM EST

I think "from" would've worked better. It gives a much clearer picture, IMO, but that's just me.

Still, great diary.


BTD (1.00 / 1) (#22)
by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 01:33:11 PM EST

My stylist says "from" should be used. "with" is marginal at best.


: Not surprising (none / 0) (#26)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 05:29:35 PM EST

then that you have no style.

No (none / 0) (#25)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 05:29:07 PM EST

with is the right word.

IT is, indeed, almost a cliched phrase.

"Hell to pay with" is practically a term of art.

And, I must say, it is quite ungracious of you to not admit your error. Why is it so hard for folks to admit mistakes?


BTW (none / 0) (#27)
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 05:30:59 PM EST

the phrase you would prefer would not have "to pay" in it, it would be "catch hell from" as opposed to "hell to pay with."


He's not saying (none / 0) (#15)
by Edger on Fri Aug 03, 2007 at 10:28:46 AM EST

progressive activists and bloggers are to blame if the Democratic Congress gives Alberto Gonzles MORE power, but that they should be all over the Dems to stop this bill.

IOW, he's of the same opinion you are.
