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Progressive Originalism vs. Original Understanding

Jack Balkin continues to think circles around the conservative critics of his theory of Progressive Originalism:

Matt [Franck of NRO] has demurred when I asked him what parts of the post-New Deal order he thought were constitutional under his theory. . . . In a previous post I asked Matt whether he thought the Fourteenth Amendment guarantees equal rights for women. He responded that Bradwell v. Illinois, which held that Illinois could deny women the right to be lawyers, "was rightly decided." He hastened to add that this "declares nothing on [his] view of women's equality." As a matter of original understanding-- that is, original expected application-- Matt is probably right. The Framers of the Fourteenth Amendment believed that its guarantees were perfectly consistent with the common law coverture rules, under which women lost all of their rights upon marriage. . . . The question is whether our Constitution must be applied today in the way that Justice Bradley and his contemporaries would have applied it. Matt says yes. I say no: The text of the Fourteenth Amendment does not require it, and the principles underlying the text do not require it. Matt, by contrast, believes that the meaning of the text is identical (for purposes of legal interpretation) with its original understanding. I argue that this confuses concepts with their expected applications, and the meaning of a sentence with the expectations of the speaker who uttered it.

More.

I had a similar analysis back in 2005:

Scalia's view:
I am one of a small number of judges, small number of anybody -- judges, professors, lawyers -- who are known as originalists. Our manner of interpreting the Constitution is to begin with the text, and to give that text the meaning that it bore when it was adopted by the people. I'm not a "strict constructionist," despite the introduction. I don't like the term "strict construction." I do not think the Constitution, or any text should be interpreted either strictly or sloppily; it should be interpreted reasonably. Many of my interpretations do not deserve the description "strict." I do believe, however, that you give the text the meaning it had when it was adopted.

Ah here's a question. What does Scalia mean by "original understanding"? Does he believe that the Constitution is likely to provide specific answers to the questions presented today? Or does he use understanding to mean a more generalized original purpose?

Here is a wonderful question that Professor Michael Dorf presents to "originalists that drives home this point:

Even when the evidence of the original understanding is clear, and even when it is simple to locate an appropriate analogy, originalism may still yield bad answers because values change. For example, the people who wrote and ratified the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment in 1868 thought it was consistent with separate spheres for men and women. In the nineteenth century, and well into the twentieth, women were denied the most basic rights and opportunities because their proper role was understood to be that of wife and mother. Yet the modern Supreme Court has quite correctly held that, given modern understandings, official sex discrimination is presumptively unconstitutional.

How would Scalia answer this question? It is inarguable that the 14th Amendment when adopted, was NOT understood to prohibit discrimination based on gender. That is the clear original understanding of the specific question. Where Dorf goes wrong, in my opinion, is to fail to note that one need not stray from originalism to "breathe life" into the 14th and honor and serve its original purpose - to prevent unequal application of the law. That Americans in 1868 did not understand the gender discrimination constituted unequal treatment under the law does not undermine the serving of the original purpose of the 14th by understanding that this 1868 view is wrong - gender discrimination is indeed unequal treatment under the law. My view is that this is a perfectly appropriate originalist result that is faithful to the original purpose of the 14th Amendment.

Here is Scalia's answer to the question:

Oh, one other example about how not just the judges and scholars believed in originalism, but even the American people. Consider the 19th Amendment, which is the amendment that gave women the vote. It was adopted by the American people in 1920. Why did we adopt a constitutional amendment for that purpose? The Equal Protection Clause existed in 1920; it was adopted right after the Civil War. And you know that if the issue of the franchise for women came up today, we would not have to have a constitutional amendment. Someone would come to the Supreme Court and say, "Your Honors, in a democracy, what could be a greater denial of equal protection than denial of the franchise?" And the Court would say, "Yes! Even though it never meant it before, the Equal Protection Clause means that women have to have the vote." But that's not how the American people thought in 1920. In 1920, they looked at the Equal Protection Clause and said, "What does it mean?" Well, it clearly doesn't mean that you can't discriminate in the franchise -- not only on the basis of sex, but on the basis of property ownership, on the basis of literacy. None of that is unconstitutional. And therefore, since it wasn't unconstitutional, and we wanted it to be, we did things the good old fashioned way and adopted an amendment.

This passage is critical. What Scalia says is that even though the original understanding of the 14th Amendment would, if applied today, prohibit gender discrimination, since in 1868 it was understood not to, then the 19th Amendment was necessary to give women the vote. This leaves Scalia with a significant problem in my view - what of other forms of gender discrimination? To me, Scalia's statements require him to state that other forms of gender discrimination are CONSTITUTIONAL.

Besides being abhorrent, this is also wrong in my view. Why? Because Scalia ignores that which Marshall did not - the common law tradition embodied in the power of the judiciary. The Constitution is sparse in details, written, appropriately, to state general principles and purposes. In my view, the Constitution is written to allow the judiciary to "breathe life" into its specific provsions and application to particular cases. To me this is the only rational view possible.

Back to Scalia:

Or consider the opinions of John Marshall in the Federal Bank case, where he says, we must not, we must always remember it is a constitution we are expounding. And since it's a constitution, he says, you have to give its provisions expansive meaning so that they will accommodate events that you do not know of which will happen in the future. Well, if it is a constitution that changes, you wouldn't have to give it an expansive meaning. You can give it whatever meaning you want and, when future necessity arises, you simply change the meaning. But anyway, that is no longer the orthodoxy.

Let's be clear what Scalia just said - Marshall was wrong. And Scalia is utterly dishonest in his disagreement. No one says "change" at whim. Expansive in this sense is precisely to give it life to address current circumstances. But intellectual dishonesty is a watchword with Scalia.

But more importantly, it simply does not make sense. Scalia's view of Constitutional interpretation simply does not work. The best evidence of this? Scalia does not follow his stated rules of interpretation.

Jack Balkin has made this abundantly clear.

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    I can't help but wonder (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:24:34 PM EST
    If this won't pop back into my mind at some point in law school.
    That Americans in 1868 did not understand the gender discrimination constituted unequal treatment under the law does not undermine the serving of the original purpose of the 14th by understanding that this 1868 view is wrong - gender discrimination is indeed unequal treatment under the law.
    I wouldn't see this anywhere else. Thanks BTD.

    Well (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:35:34 PM EST
    It was originally a FP post at daily kos in 2005 and Balkin is making a careeer of it now.

    I do wish it garnered more attention.

    I have been battling in a freindly way with Scott Lemiuex on this in the Taney/Dred Scott decision discussions.

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    I actually went to read the link first-- (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 09:40:42 PM EST
    which is where I found the quote.

    I've noticed these posts, and made an effort to actually try and read them, even they're probably above my level of comprehension, as I said last week.

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    I didn't realize you (none / 0) (#6)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:31:57 PM EST
    were going to law school.  Now? Or later?

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    Later (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:44:56 PM EST
    With any luck, a year from now.

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    actually, his history isn't quite totally accurate (none / 0) (#4)
    by cpinva on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:10:10 PM EST
    perhaps the majority of americans didn't feel that gender discrimination was unequal treatment under the law, but quite a significant minority did, going all the way back to 1776.

    a majority of americans, in the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, believed a lot of things, that were ultimately proved wrong; socially, technologically and scientifically. the real beauty of the constitution is that it was written specifically to take into account changing mores' and social circumstances, not attempt to freeze the new country in a late 18th century mode.

    were that truly the case, and scalia argues that it is, the authors would never have inserted the ability to change it, by virtue of amending. why bother?

    as well, they gave the judiciary the inherent power to alter the meaning, by means of case law. justice scalia seems oblivious to this, as do some of his bretheren. the author's intent was clearly to make the courts the last bulwark against a potentially despotic executive, or an overarching legislature. again, if that's not the case, why bother having them?

    I'm going to confess (none / 0) (#5)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:29:29 PM EST
    that I don't have a clue who Matthew Franck is or why he is important. (And yes I did click on his bio).  Should I?

    Whelan's bio at least explains the time and attention paid to him.  What's the deal with Franck?  Or is it just that the NRO gives him space to attack the views of people like Balkin?

    Here's a link w/i a link: (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:54:18 PM EST
    http://bench.nationalreview.com/author/?q=Mzg1MQ==

    Have to admit, though, I've never heard of Radford Univ. in Radford, VA.

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    Thanks (none / 0) (#9)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 10:59:26 PM EST
    I did click that originally when I went to read his response.  And nothing in there means anything to me.  

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    Sorry. When I re-read your comment (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 11:04:50 PM EST
    I realized I was telling you what you already knew.

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    That's all right (none / 0) (#11)
    by Maryb2004 on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 11:08:39 PM EST
    He does have 35 suggestions for College Students on his web site  pdf Link
    along with a picture of his sheltie. I won't link to the sheltie.

     

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    Do you suppose a single student (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 20, 2007 at 11:35:30 PM EST
    has waded through all 35?  Boring.