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Petraeus Hearings Live Blog: Part I

The Joint House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs Committee Hearing on the Surge, featuring the testimony of General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, has just commenced. You can view it online on C-Span3.

I will be live-blogging the testimony below the fold. Please add your comments.

The chairman of the House Armed Services Committee is Representative Ike Skelton (D-MO).

Skelton is presiding over the hearing and is currently giving his opening statement, where he is touching upon the issue of whether the cost of Iraq is harming our overall national security preparedness.

Skelton properly reminds of the long history of wildly "overoptimiistic" (which is to say, grossly false) assessments from the Bush Administration on Iraq.

Money line - 'Gen. Petraeus' strategy comes 2 years too late and 250,000 troops short.'

Quoting Gen Jones - 'the future of Iraq . . . depends on the Iraqis ability to reconcile politically.'

Then Skelton says, the Iraqis have not stepped up to the challenge. [This line of argument is not very pleasant to hear, this type of unfair blameshifting, but I believe for those of us who want to end our military involvement in Iraq, may have to accept these political tactics as a price to pay to make the case to the Aemrican People.]

The second Congressional Speaker is Rep. Tom Lantos (D-CA), the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

Lantos reminds that the Iraqi government is strongly tied to Iran.

[It seems clear that the Dem strategy is to get to the point of the Surge, political reconciliation in Iraq, which has no signs of success. Lantos was brutal in his criticisms of Maliki.]

Lantos - "It is time to go, it is time to go now."

The next speaker, Duncan Hunter (R-CA), defends poor Petraeus' honor. I am biased, but objectively as possible, I do not know what Hunter is trying to achieve in this opening statement. It is pretty bad it seems to me. He should have stuck to the "listen to the Generals" line.

NEXT Speaker - Rep. Ros-Lehtinen (D-FL). Cites her family members in the military. Apparently defers to their judgment on Iraq and the "Mission." Strangely, and imo, stupidly, makes reference to the Myth of the Purple Finger, and how we must continue to fight for "Iraqi democracy." Is this a winning argument for the GOP? Now she returns to the "cut and run" charge that worked so wonderfully for them in 2006.

Defends Petraeus' honor also.

In my view, the Republican representatives make a mistake in not simplifying their message to "let's listen to the Generals."

Update [2007-9-10 13:10:32 by Big Tent Democrat]: BTW, I believe MOVE ON AGAIN shows how politically stupid an organization it is with its "General Betray Us" Ad. From beginning to end on Iraq, Move On has been a disaster in 2007.

Not surprisingly, Ros-Lehtinen lashes out at the ad and tries to tie it to Dems.

Ros- Lehtinen cites Neville Chamberlain. This is flailing.

When the GOP has stuck to the "let's listen and honor the Generals" script, it has had its best moments. When they argue the merits, they do their argument harm.

Update [2007-9-10 13:15:18 by Big Tent Democrat]: Strangely, in recounting the supposed Al Qaida strategy, the Al Qaida endgame, according to Ros Lehtinen, was an attack on Israel, nopt the United States. Sort of missed the "fighting them there so we do not have to fight them here" line. An odd performance.

Update [2007-9-10 13:16:35 by Big Tent Democrat]: Petraeus' Opening Statement. They cut his mike . . .

[Added TL:] Gen. Petraues' prepared remarks are here.]

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    It is my point (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:26:30 PM EST
    Either you are Code Pink, or you are a "player."

    Move On wants to be both.

    Does not work that way.


    Sometimes I just don't know (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 04:23:27 PM EST
    what I'm going to do with you.  Either you are Code Pink, or you are a "player".  So true about Move On, they are having an identity crisis on the Iraq issue and a few others.

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    I thought Code Pink was pretty (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 07:01:11 PM EST
    gutsy today.  

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    I havbe nothing negative to say (none / 0) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 07:04:08 PM EST
    about Code Pink. They know what they are.

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    I'm all cool with what they are (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 11, 2007 at 01:19:39 PM EST
    They aren't very cool with what I am though at various times ;)  Cuz sometimes I'm a playa in the code of pink.

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    Duncan Hunter (none / 0) (#1)
    by bronco214 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:00:14 PM EST
    Why doesn't ole Duncan slither just over and give Petraeus a big, sloppy hum job?

    Why repeat the attacks on Petraeus? (none / 0) (#6)
    by joejoejoe on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:13:07 PM EST
    It seems to me that Rep. Hunter is stinking up the entire hearing by repeating the MoveOn ad (General Betray Us, pretty harsh but if you want a friend in DC get a dog). Now everybody who tuned in for the first five minutes who didn't see the MoveOn ad (which is most people) have a seed planted that something isn't quite right.

    Hunter really did an awful job of making any kind of case. I think the country is pretty tired of the war and don't give a fig about Gen. Petraeus' hurt feelings.

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    Stupid stupid ad from Move On (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:17:34 PM EST
    They have been idiots for a year now on Iraq.

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    I don't really understand it either (none / 0) (#10)
    by joejoejoe on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:26:27 PM EST
    Who are they trying to convince? Why not attack Bush?    I can't believe people still blame Bush surrogates this late in the game.

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    Says You... (none / 0) (#16)
    by garyb50 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:12:25 PM EST
    My 84 yr old dad would totally disagree with you. He sends MoveOn money and loves their emails and OUTRAGEOUSNESS. He's angry and feels powerless and they give him some 'tooth' back. MoveOn isn't there for you, BTD, or any of the 'sensible dems' you think are going come to their senses & change things. And they're sure not there to change any Republican minds...

    They're there for my old man & he loves them.

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    Ask your old man (none / 0) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:04:53 PM EST
    if he liked the way Move On backed the House Capitulation bill last Spring.

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    All except for one thing (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 02:09:46 PM EST
    There's this neocon soldier who always goes out of his way to argue with me whenever he sees me.  Sort of annoying.  He calls Petraeus General Betrayus as well.  Next time I see him you know I'm going to ask him if he joined Move On.  Girls just want to have fun.

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    Digby liked the ad. (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 06:54:54 PM EST
    But I figure she was at Berkeley in the late '60s.

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    What (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 06:59:42 PM EST
    Digby is infallible?

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    One might think so reading the blogs! (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 07:10:59 PM EST
    Well (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:14:51 PM EST
    I am the only infallible one.

    You can look it up.

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    Requires a link. Why, I (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 10:49:56 PM EST
    recall two mea culpas w/i the last week.

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    oops (none / 0) (#2)
    by bronco214 on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:01:17 PM EST
    ..just slither over...

    Hey, just wanted to check in (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:01:56 PM EST
    We are watching the testimony intently and I will be here to gossip when it's over.  Lantos was wonderful though, absolutely brilliant.

    P.S. David Petraeus looks he hasn't slept (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:02:53 PM EST
    in days.  He's looking like Iraq is a friendlier country and wishes he was there.

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    Did you notice he took the line (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:04:05 PM EST
    of focusing on the political, not the military.

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    Yes Dad, I did ;) (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 01:29:13 PM EST
    He closed really strongly, I thought. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:42:17 PM EST
    Most generals would say "get out"... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:18:11 PM EST
    ...so if the Repubs listen to them, we get out.  The Repubs have no strategy but fear: fear of terrorists, fear of leaving Iraq, fear of Americans actually using their freedom for political change.

    They are the party of being afraid of your own shadow.

    How about a second live thread (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:25:17 PM EST
    Just for his testimony? (part two) while we're waiting?

    Sure (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:28:28 PM EST
    This plays WAY better without the mic (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ellie on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:30:55 PM EST
    "We didn't need sound back then ... we had faces!" [/Norma Desmond]

    BTD! (none / 0) (#13)
    by TomStewart on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:32:12 PM EST
    Ros-Lehtinen is a Republican, even though her official site doesn't state that anywhere. Why do Republicans always seem to do that? you'd think they were ashamed or something...

    Correct (none / 0) (#14)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 12:36:45 PM EST
    Did I say she was a D? I'll fix it.

    I certainly know it.

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    You did (none / 0) (#29)
    by Demi Moaned on Mon Sep 10, 2007 at 09:53:50 PM EST
    ... and (not knowing the Rep in question) I took it as more betrayal on our side of the aisle.

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