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Dem NH Debate Live Blog

I'm gonna live blog the Democratic Presidential Debate taking place this evening at Dartmouth College. Or at least as long as I can stand it. It will be broadcast on MSNBC. It starts at 9.

Predict who you think will have a big night tonight. Here's my prediction - Chris Dodd goes after Hillary and Obama on the Iran resolution passed today by the Senate and will press Biden to commit to not funding the Iraq Debacle. Leadership NOW!

What's with the sound? Russert asks Obama what will he do if the Iraq Debacle is still ongoing when he becomes President? Obama makes the arguemt "we should not vote for funding without a timetable."

Good Obama. No worries about "playing chicken."

Followup - Can you promise there will be no troops in Iraq by 2012? Obama, can not promise but will do all he can.

Russert asks Clinton the same question - also can not promise.

Strangely, defends the Democrats' performance in trying to end the war.

Edwards - same question. Same answer.

Terrible question BTW.

I am getting utterly bored already. Russert stinks.

Richardson goes for the his pander answer - all troops out within a year NO MATTER WHAT. If you believe that, well, good for you.

Dodd - the current policy is counterproductive. We must begin redeployment. Congress has an obligation. To use the Power of the Purse. We must terminate the funding of this Iraq Debacle.

Buried his lede.

Biden - my great political plan of partition is the political solution. and if Bush adopts it . . . (zzzzzzzzzz, Bush will NEVER do it.) He makes a commitment to having them out IF Bush does not adopt his policy.

Kucinich - I was right all along. (He was.)

Gravel - How to end the war. Vote for cloture, vote for override. Do not give in.

Rips Hillary for voting for the Lieberman Amendment. Praises Dodd and Biden. Don;t know if that is good. Hillary uses the "disarm" laugh on Gravel.

Hillary responds that IRG is a terrorist organization.

Dodd gets a second bite of the apple. No funding. We must lead now if we think we can be President in 2009.

Would Israel be justified in attacking Iran as it did in Syria? clinton says it was a hypothetical (which it is) while Russert insists it is not.

Hillary seems to say Israel was justified.

Rudy promised to bomb Iran. Will you promise to do the same?

Hillary - Promises diplomacy. Criticizes Rudy for his juump to war.

Obama - Not sure what he is saying frankly. He just is not good in this format.

Call Rudy "irresponsible." Pretty good shot there.

Edwards - Smoothly eludes Russert's question and say Ahmadenijad is unpopular in Iraq. then turns around and nails Clinton on the Iran vote. Well done. Edwards winning now.

Richardson - I dunno, I just don't get him. I am sure his answer is fine but I just don't get him.

Switching to immigration and sanctuary cities. I'll leave it to you folks in the comments to blog this part.

Biden - Rudy is an idiot. A nonsequitor but a good one.

Dodd - Seemed to say that the question focuses on a distraction and rejects the premise of the question. Then gives a good informed answer. Calls for national leadership.

Clinton gives a good answer on why localities can;t do the feds job.

The reality is what is the question proposing a President do? Arrest Mayors? Stupid question

Dodd shows some humor. Deflects a tough quote against Hillary.

Hillary asked about Health Care. Standard answer.

Biden said something about 15% of the GOP. And that Hillary can't get them. I guess he can?

Edwards - With the "bunch of people in Washington" line. Sorry, that one gets old fast.

My stamina is lagging. As is my interest. I may jump in with more if something interesting happens.

Update [2007-9-26 21:52:21 by Big Tent Democrat]: Molly Bloom is following for us in the comments. Check it out.

Update [2007-9-26 22:28:15 by Big Tent Democrat]: Back for the big finish. Thank you Molly for your great work.

A lightning round promises Russert. Typically crappy debate BTW. Though Russert makes them worse than usual.

Russert asks the dynasty question. Hillary sez "I think Bill was a pretty good President. . . "

Biden asked about Move On. Have they been good? Biden says on some things yes. It is not their party, they are part of the party.

Kucinich asked about gas tax. Greenspan said it apparently. Kucinich seems not to answer. Don't know what happened.

Gravel would and then says something I actually do not understand.

Dodd for a carbon tax. But Russert asks whether Dodd would ban imports from China until safety is verified. Dodd says yes of course.

Obama asked about "tepid" response on Jena. Obama says he was in DC fighting to end war in Iraq.

Richardson would not accept honorary Chairmanship of Boy Scouts of America.

Reopens Iraq Debate.

Obama says we have to withdraw safely.

Edwards no to nuclear power.

Obama says can't take it off the table.

Kucinich against nuke power.

Gravel - Wind power!

Clinton - not off the table.

Russert watches 24. Ticking time bomb. Should we torture?

Obama - America can not torture.

Biden - No.

Clinton - No.

It was Clinton, Bill.

Dodd highlights that he has opposed it and has introduced legislation on Habeas and torture. Leadership now!

Richardson - No. Mentions FISA.

Edwards - No. But the problem is much bigger.

Everyone says it does not work. Which is true.

Russert asks about disclosing donations to libraries and foundations.

Clinton says the donors should be disclosed.

Obama amplifies on the issue. Bundling? Not sure I get it.

Russert is a jerk. Hair cuts? Idiot.

Good moment for Edwards.

Faith and values? Uh. Favorite bible verse. Oy vey.

Obama - Sermon on the Mount.

Clinton - Golden rule.

Gravel - Love.

Kucinich - St. Francis.

Edwards - Whatsoevr you do to the least of my brothers, you do on to me.

Dodd - The Good Samaritan.

Richardson - Sermon on the Mount.

Baseball. bleh.

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    Ok 10 points for Biden for the Rudy shot (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:34:54 PM EST
    Rudy most uninformed person

    HRC not hurting herself badly so far (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:41:44 PM EST
    Best responses Edwards and Dodd  

    Biden best shot at Rudy

    Obama no taste for the jugular so far. That is not a winning strategy

    Arrest mayors? don't give Rudy (or GWB) ideas! (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:42:34 PM EST


    Take over will you Molly? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:46:28 PM EST
    Please.

    Jeralyn is on a plane and I am bored.

    Parent

    missed that-sounds like Tim is attacking (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:55:16 PM EST
    Gravel for going bankrupt in condo development? (Condos are an abomination before the lord, but thats just my opinion)

    Gravel says he stuck the credit card companies and they deserved it.

    That was funny (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:59:05 PM EST
    It was like Gravel was saying to biden 'I stuck it to your folks Joe.'

    Parent
    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:11:52 PM EST
    just isn't coming across. I like Dodds and Edwards at this point. Hillary is very poised and collegial, though I'm not impressed by her Iraq positions.

    Russert (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:16:45 PM EST
    is makign it up. He is dead wrong on the facts.

    Richardson (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:40:23 PM EST
    says he'd shut down Guantanamo, music to my ears.

    Edwards: torture goes to what America is about (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:51:12 PM EST
    He and Dodd are ringing the right notes on these issues.

    goes to heart of (none / 0) (#47)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:52:58 PM EST
    I Sincerely Hope That Dodd (none / 0) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:08:38 PM EST
    goes after Hillary and Obama with both barrels on the Iran resolution. Evidently not enough blood has been shed in the Middle East.

    Gravel is doing is going after Clinton (none / 0) (#2)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:18:49 PM EST
    I didn'r find HRC answer persausive (none / 0) (#3)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:21:39 PM EST
    Yep Edwards set that up well (HRC and Iran) (none / 0) (#4)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:29:51 PM EST


    HRC avoids discussing her vote for war (none / 0) (#9)
    by robrecht on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:47:33 PM EST


    HRC avoids discussing everything. (none / 0) (#61)
    by dkmich on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 06:02:27 AM EST
    She would rather giggle.

    Parent
    Biden makes Edwards argument against HRC and (none / 0) (#10)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:48:53 PM EST
    healthcare and special interests

    Edwards: Insiders think only Washington exists and (none / 0) (#11)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:50:32 PM EST
    excludes the rest of America.

    Meaning what?

    Will go to Congress and say if you don't pass health care, congress loses health care. Not actually possible- unless congress goes along with that.

    It's a good line, though (none / 0) (#14)
    by robrecht on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:53:09 PM EST
    its appealing emotionally (none / 0) (#23)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:02:25 PM EST
    Edeards:in 94 Didn't get health care got Nafta (none / 0) (#12)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:51:33 PM EST
    Will never give up

    and then on (none / 0) (#16)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:54:36 PM EST
    the other hand. Still, I'm finding his answers appealing.

    Parent
    he and Dodd at this point (none / 0) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:56:00 PM EST
    Edwards (none / 0) (#13)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:52:31 PM EST
    scores big on his health care answer. No reason for Congress to have health care when Americans need it, or words to that effect.

    Obama: my candidacy makes sense because can (none / 0) (#15)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:53:50 PM EST
    pull people together. has passed landmark legislation?

    Oh really? He served 1 term in the Ill senate.

    Had good judgment in 2004 in speaking out against Iraq.

    Corrections (none / 0) (#58)
    by joejoejoe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 11:17:13 PM EST
    Obama was elected 3 times ('96, '98, '02) to the Illinois State Senate, not once. He made his public remarks opposing the Iraq War in '02, before the war began, not '04.

    I know you were doing this fast and on the fly -- thank you for the live blogging.

    Parent

    DK- fought special interests as mayor of Cleveland (none / 0) (#19)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:57:11 PM EST
    and was run out of a job, IIRC

    Richardson- not a blow dried candidate (none / 0) (#20)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 08:58:50 PM EST
    make mistakes but admit them.

    Going on about his record. He tends to make me yawn at these events, but I have seen him look personable.

    Gay marriage (none / 0) (#22)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:01:03 PM EST
    get over yourselves (you too John) - equal rights for all

    HRC going into the understanding mom (none / 0) (#24)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:05:01 PM EST
    mode on gay rights.

    Hopes we will vote on hate crimes bill

    Ok everyone whos winning/losing/treading water? (none / 0) (#25)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:05:36 PM EST


    According to the Dodd clock- Russet is winning (none / 0) (#26)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:08:07 PM EST
    followed by HRC

    Did Russert just speak Russian? (none / 0) (#27)
    by LonewackoDotCom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:08:25 PM EST
    Or is it just that these "debates" have a Soviet air about them, as "journalists" ask puffballs and then the candidates respond with their stock speeches?

    It serves no one any good for a situation like this; we need real questions and we need follow-up questioning, not simply hacks like Tim Russert playing the role of Larry King.

    Russert misleading on SSDI (none / 0) (#28)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:08:54 PM EST
    conflating medicare and SSDI

    who will challenge the premise

    Biden would raise the cap (none / 0) (#29)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:09:58 PM EST


    HRC: make 3 points briefly (Bill taught her well) (none / 0) (#31)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:12:59 PM EST
    1. we lost 14 years of solvency- get back on path
    2. Need bipartisan response- good luck with that HRC
    points out GWB hates SSDI
    3. fiscal responsiblity- what else might be done.

    not responsive, but then the question was bad

    GWB fiscally irresponsible.

    not putting anything on the table.

    obama: everything on the table (none / 0) (#32)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:13:31 PM EST
    thank you, heard enough from you. you can stop now

    Dodd: explains accomplishments of SSDI (none / 0) (#33)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:15:13 PM EST
    takes privatization off the table. Good counter to Obama.

    Richardson: takes privatization off the table (none / 0) (#34)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:15:50 PM EST
    Is for balanced budget amendment nonsense.

    Russert: claims FDR set (none / 0) (#36)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:17:09 PM EST
    SSDI at 65 because that was life expectency at that time. I don't believe that is accurate.

    Edwards:Honest truth hard choices (none / 0) (#37)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:18:40 PM EST
    disagrees with Dodd, doesn't understand point of cap.- why 85k/year treated differently than those at 95/year

    DK:raise cap, lower retirement age to 65 (none / 0) (#38)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:19:37 PM EST
    stop privatization

    Dodd: responds- would raise cap (none / 0) (#39)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:20:52 PM EST
    no -one party, need bipartisanship- Dodd can do- citing Bob Dole, Tip..

    Gee I exceeded posting limits (none / 0) (#40)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:26:35 PM EST
    lap top battery low, got adapter.

    Stupid question on drinking age.

    Thanks Molly (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:27:17 PM EST
    I'll take it from here.'

    you are a life saver.

    Parent

    you are welcome (none / 0) (#42)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:30:47 PM EST
    I'll stil contribute but not at that pace.

    Parent
    good question on two political family (none / 0) (#43)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:34:29 PM EST
    and HRC gave the only possible answer she could give.

    GOP spin: Richardson not a boyscout! (none / 0) (#44)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:39:25 PM EST


    Good for Biden and his Pharisees response (none / 0) (#48)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 09:59:45 PM EST
    It was probably lost on Russert though

    John Edwards won (none / 0) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:01:24 PM EST
    Dodd did well.

    HRC by not imploding wins (none / 0) (#50)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:07:35 PM EST
    Stupid as that sounds. She is in the lead and she didn't blow her lead.

    Loser is Obama. No fight. Nothing memorable.

    Edwards did well and I like Dodd and his responses on Gitmo, etc.

    Parent

    For now (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:12:27 PM EST
    But you see, Edwards REAL fight is to be the anti-Hillary.

    Parent
    No argument (none / 0) (#52)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:17:16 PM EST
    Actually I missed where she got tripped up by the torture question. That could be an opening.  

    Parent
    I didn;t think so (none / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:19:52 PM EST
    BILL got tripped up.

    Iran was the issue I thought that Edwards should hammer for the next few days.

    Parent

    What exactly was her response? (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:22:54 PM EST
    Yes- Iran was foolish of her. How many 2nd opportunities do you get to show you would vote differently?

    Parent
    I'm liking (none / 0) (#53)
    by tnthorpe on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:19:01 PM EST
    Edwards tonight. He put some sunshine between himself and Hillary on Iraq, was articulately passionate, and defended himself against the charge that he's a phony populist.
    I liked Dodds as well, though he didn't have the same edge against Clinton as Edwards did.
    Clinton was typically proficient, but her positions, as on nuclear energy for example, were too often of the order "I won't take it off the table, but I voted against it."

    Obama (none / 0) (#56)
    by Jgarza on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 10:40:39 PM EST
    Um Does he still want to be president? He could have fooled me in this debate.  Why did he even bother showing up?  BAD BAD NIGHT
    Hillary did really well as did Edwards, and Dodd.  Even Biden, who i normally can't stand, was good tonight.  That said i will shoot myself if he refers to himself in the 3rd person on more time!

    So why not Richardson? (none / 0) (#57)
    by timber on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 11:04:49 PM EST
    If you really want all the troops out--why not Richardson?  I think if anyone will make it happen he can--he did it with N Korea and was able to negotiate a truce in Darfur?

    Edwards residual forces (none / 0) (#59)
    by ScoopMag on Wed Sep 26, 2007 at 11:40:39 PM EST
    Was it just me? I thought in rushing at the end of his answer, Edwards was saying at some endpoint, he could see a level of one brigade being sufficient? 3500-5000 men? Anybody else?

    Whew. First I read AP article on (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 01:21:44 AM EST
    the debate; then the streamlined version here.  Good job, folks.

    The media finally noticed that Hillary simply (none / 0) (#62)
    by Geekesque on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 08:48:40 AM EST
    doesn't answer questions.  Answer the d@mn question, Hillary!

    Edwards did well for himself.

    Obama didn't do too well--that head cold report seems very plausible.  

    Biden was a hit tonight--his smack of Rudy was the highlight of the debate.

    Biden was no hit (none / 0) (#63)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 09:46:54 AM EST
    I liked the one line but the rest of his performance was shaky imo.

    Parent
    The "faith" question... (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 27, 2007 at 10:46:55 AM EST
    ...I could hardly stomach it.  Can you imagine if one of them had quoted the Upanishads?  Or a Bukowski line like "To do a dull thing with style -- now that's what I call art", which has infinitely more to do with the day to day business of running a political entity than any mealy-mouthed recital of inarguable verses and sentiments.

    The whole thing was too sedate, too polite, and oddly passionless to a great degree.