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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 09:58:44 PM EST
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I imagine Obama's speech will commence to catch the start of the 11 o'clock news. I can't watch it right now. Please tell me how he is. I imagine it will be an electric moment when he walks to the podium.

And let me say this. Even though I have serious reservations about Obama's political style, I still think that he is a phenomenal politician and I believe, speaking for me only, that he will be the next President of the United States.

The first African American to hold that office. And no matter what you think of Obama, that is about as exciting a prospect as I can imagine (at least equal to the prospect of the first woman President of the United States.)

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    Hope, Hope Hope (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:20:51 PM EST
    I'm so tired of that word. Listening to his speech I hear platitudes. Hope, optimism, change, courage...."brick by brick, hand by hand"....I'll support him if he gets the nomination but he's not telling me a damn thing I want to know to help me decide what kind of President he will be.

    I also don't like his talk about how he can bring home the red states and Republicans. That spells compromise and that's not change, that's Washington as usual.

    That's Why I Didn't Listen (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:34:20 PM EST
    I'm going to need to support this guy in November 2008 if he's the nominee and I find him a lot easier to support if I don't actually listen to anything he says.  Which is really sad because he is a very talented speaker.

    Here's a question, did he at any point refer to himself as a Democrat or part of the Democratic party?

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    You dont win over (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:48:54 PM EST
    people by insulting them and pointing out they are different.

    compare that with Hillary's "republicans who have seen the light"  she mocked republicans democrats have won over.

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    What do you think you were doing to JM? (none / 0) (#31)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:55:18 PM EST
    Graciousness in victory is not a small virtue.

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    those (none / 0) (#33)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:57:08 PM EST
    who expect grace in victory should be gracious in defeat.

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    Is this from a fortune cookie? (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:59:17 PM EST


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    You want to win over potential converts (none / 0) (#35)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:59:38 PM EST
    Not piss them off. When you win, you can afford to overlook short comings in others. It makes YOU look better and emphasizes the conduct of others.


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    Eh (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:12:28 PM EST
    If Obama is depending on his on-line supporters to win over converts, he's totally screwed.

    Fortunately for Obama, I'm a Democrat and I'm going to support him if he's the nominee because that's what partisans do and because I know - even if he and his supporters don't - that there's a huge difference between a Democrat and a Republican.  Besides, how else will I be able to tell all those bright young things I told you so when the Republicans kneecap their hero the exact same way they did Bill Clinton?  And who is going to pull their ass out of the fire if not for those of us who have been fighting this war for the last 20 years?  

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    If you hell bent (none / 0) (#38)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:26:37 PM EST
    on attacking someone no matter what, there is no use trying to win you over.  no matter what happens you are going to find an excuse not to like someone.

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    In a universe of two true (none / 0) (#39)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:36:40 PM EST
    in a real universe....

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    If you want change I suggest Democrats (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:40:31 PM EST
    work on changing the composition of Congress in general and the Senate in particular.

    Honestly I don't think it matters much who are standard bearer is, if we don't add more progressives to congress. If Obama wins my money will go to congressional campaigns.

    Obama, HRC, or Edwards will need all the help they can get once s/he is in the Oval Office.

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    ITA (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:48:48 PM EST
    Congressional Democrats often helped Republicans take down Clinton.  You can't sign progressive legislation if you can't get it passed.

    Besides, we need enough of a majority to stop that.  Fewer Republicans in Congress mean fewer people for Obama to make a deal with.  :-)

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    Zactly! (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:52:57 PM EST
    Fewer Republicans in Congress mean fewer people for Obama to make a deal with.


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    who our, not who are. (none / 0) (#19)
    by Molly Bloom on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:40:58 PM EST


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    platitudes vs talking points (1.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:44:48 PM EST
    we get it you prefer poll tested talking points.

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    And according to Tweety (none / 0) (#8)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:24:21 PM EST
    it's "heroic."

    I  need a drink.

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    Crypticity wins in American politics. n/t (none / 0) (#14)
    by Compound F on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:31:28 PM EST


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    I feel the same way; however, (none / 0) (#29)
    by MarkL on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:53:57 PM EST
    Republican voters LOVE that.
    Many of them genuinely liked Lieberman in recent years, and they like Obama for the same reason.
    It's at least a reason to be confident in his chances in the GE.

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    I like Biden's speech (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Maryb2004 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:24:28 PM EST
    "It's a great night to be me."  Lol.

    He's dropping out.

    Heh (none / 0) (#37)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 11:18:40 PM EST
    Honestly, just having to deal with the press corps would be enough to make me want to kill myself. Or all of them.  It's not enough that you have to raise tens of millions of dollars, kiss babies, kowtow to voters, and generally work your ass off to convince some man or woman to show up and vote for you (even though most won't and those that do will likely vote for or against you for all the wrong reasons because people are idiots), you also have to deal with the Chris Matthewses, Tim Russerts, and David Broders of the world.  Ick.

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    he's taking stage now (none / 0) (#1)
    by andreww on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:03:58 PM EST


    Little girls are cute (none / 0) (#2)
    by Maryb2004 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:06:05 PM EST
    as usual (guess I should learn their names).

    We came together (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:08:12 PM EST
    "as Democrats, Republicans, and Independents."

    This is a general election speech. He knows how he won.

    His crowd is more excited than Huckabee's (none / 0) (#4)
    by Maryb2004 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:09:37 PM EST
    "Tonight you came together as Democrats Republicans and Independents to say we are one nation and our time for change has come. "

    No mention of the competition? (none / 0) (#6)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:20:59 PM EST
    That shows some grace.

    Great speaker though.

    It was a good speech (none / 0) (#7)
    by Maryb2004 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:22:55 PM EST
    maybe a slight bit too long.   The middle part of the speech had a hint of populism. Good use of the phrase "This was the moment  ..." - some kennedyesque parallel structure there.  And he ended with HOPE.  Of course.

    No chills on my part. But I'd say it was what a victory speech should be.  

    Howard Feinman (none / 0) (#10)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:27:29 PM EST
    calls this the "end of an era." eek.

    The era of white men? (none / 0) (#11)
    by Maryb2004 on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:28:44 PM EST
    What was he talking about?

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    Clinton (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:29:46 PM EST


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    Figures (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:37:07 PM EST
    Even when Obama does something historic - and even if he's not my guy, it was historic - the MSM can only think about the Clintons.  Pathetic.

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    Maybe Bill will sign up with Jimmy Carter? (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:31:56 PM EST


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    well, elegre and TomP are (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:30:55 PM EST
    strangely silent at DK.  Maybe that's what he meant?

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    that silence you hear? (none / 0) (#20)
    by commissar on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:44:11 PM EST
    I believe that is the contents of Taylor Marsh's head exploding.

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    I'm hearing it was good (none / 0) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:46:29 PM EST
    Sounds like a mixed reaction here.

    I'll watch it later.

    Gotta go.

    Until tomorrow when we start to keep the nest President honest.

    Listened to the voice, not the words. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:49:34 PM EST
    Strong resemblance to the midwestern preacher who comes in to seal the deal when the parishioners are signing those pledge cards.

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    it was awsome (none / 0) (#26)
    by Jgarza on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:49:50 PM EST
    the people who didn't like don't like him.

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    Let's turn that around: the people (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MarkL on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:54:46 PM EST
    who liked it, did so in spite of the content, because they liked him. Just as fair, no?

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    Well (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jgarza on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 02:49:04 AM EST
    except that the only people who didn't think it was a good speach, are the ones that look for a reason to attack Obama in anything they can find.

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    New Hampshire (none / 0) (#27)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:50:19 PM EST
    Obama certainly has the money to have a strong organization in New Hampshire.  Does he?  His turnout of youth in Iowa was amazing, does anyone know if he has the organization to replicate that in other places or did he bet the farm on Iowa and is relying on a "bump" to pull him through?

    Okay (none / 0) (#32)
    by BDB on Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 10:56:46 PM EST
    Did some research and it looks like Obama has a strong organization in NH.  I'm not surprised, he's got the bucks, but you never know about these things.

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    Obama's & Huck's speeches were excellent. (none / 0) (#40)
    by oldpro on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 01:54:10 AM EST
    Hillary's...standard fare.  She looked good, tho, while Bill had a harder time maintaining.  He'll be front and center in New Hampshire...no doubt about that now.

    Should make for an interesting contrast and a strange reality-show setting from some wierd new combination  of 'Survivor' and 'American Idol.'

    It's unnerving.

    SIgh (none / 0) (#42)
    by jarober on Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 05:56:47 AM EST
    I'm about as thrilled with this outcome as I would be with a mugging.  Obama is a charismatic empty suit.  Huckabee - like Edwards - is a demogogic populist.  Either one would do incredible damage, both domestically and internationally.  

    As much as I dislike Hillary, she might be the least dangerous candidate left standing, if only because the Republican party would be energized against her, and limit the damage.

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