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New Hampshire Democratic Debate: Live Blog

[Update: Debate transcript here.]

The ABC News debate is on tape delay for Denver, an hour behind the East Coast. But, it's streaming live on WMUR, New Hampshire. So, I'll live blog -- please join in the comments.

8:45 pm: The Democratic candidates came out to do a meet and greet with the Republicans. Rudy and Hillary chatted friend-like, he put his arm on her arm. She and Huckabee also had a warm little moment, he whispered something in her ear. Edwards and McCain were very warm to each other.

9:05: What is this? The debate starts with an ABC news clip? It's on nuclear prolifieration. After watching the clip, the question is how aggressively would you go after al-Qaeda terrorists in Pakistan? Goes to Obama who justifies what he said at one of the first debates. He moves from the defensive to the offensive against Bush but Gibson says he sounds just like Bush.

More...

Edwards: Bigger picture is what do we do over the long-haul? It takes him forever to say he'll lead a long-term international mission to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

Richardson: In any foreign policy situation, I would use diplomacy first. With Pakistan, we must have principled realism. Bush policy is worst of both worlds. Musharraf hasn't gone after Osama and has abandoned the Constitution. I'd send a high level envoy to ask him to step aside. There's a provision in the Pakistani Constitution for a caretaker government.

Gibson: Should we go in to Pakistan and take him out? Richardson again: If we have real, actionable intelligence, yes. But first we use diplomacy. And use free elections.

Hillary: Five things: 1. Osama has regrouped because we didn't put enough troops in Afghanistan when we could. We need more NATO troops in Afghanistan. 2. Any actionable intelligence must be given the most careful consideration. And we have to be careful not to ignite the region. Mentions India. 3. The technology right now is considered secure, but we can't know for sure. I would try to get Musharraf to share responsibility for security of the technology. 5. Bush blew it in Afghanistan.

Richardson: We have to be on the side of the Pakistani gov't, not the dictator.

Obama: Says we're forgetting Iraq. (That wasn't the question. I bet he now reminds us for the 4 millionth time that he opposed it from the beginning. Good for him, he didn't.)

Gibson asks about a nuclear attack on an American city. He's afraid there will be one the next ten years. He asks, the day after it happens, what will you say we should have done to prevent it? Edwards: We have to find out who did it and go after them so they don't do it again. The President mus react srongly but in a way that is calming for the American people and the world.

Obama says he's already been working on this. We'd have to retaliate. Gibson says Hillary has been working on it too and asks her the same question. She says we have to be clear there can be no safe haven. We have to send the message there will be heavy retaliation. She criticizes Bush on our port security. Richardson agrees.

Now moves to the economy. Another ABC promo clip to set the stage for the question.

Gibson asks about change instead. Asks Hillary what unanswered questions there are about Obama. She says we're all for change. I don't think you make change by asking for it, it's the result of hard work and saying what your goals and principles are and how you will bring it about.

There is a lot room to ask all of us questions. Obama can have a good debate with himself -- she lists his switches of positions on health care plans. We need a president we can count on to know where he or she stands on the issues. Obama responds he has been consistent on health care. He says he has a philosophical difference with her and Edwards. He wouldn't penalize people who can't get insurance. He disagrees people won't buy it if we make it affordable.

Hillary: Says Obama does have a mandate for kids. So he's stopped short of going the distance. Two weeks ago he criticized Edwards for changing positions 4 years ago and saying he was unelectable. She says Obama changed his positions in last 3 years. She gives examples: Obama said he would vote against Patriot Act and funding for war and then voted for Patriot Act and for funding Iraq war.

Obama tries to explain his kids' health care again. He brings up his win in Iowa. Edwards defends Obama. Now he Attacks Hillary. Says he and Obama have differences but both are for change. When they advocate for change, forces for the status quo (i.e. Hillary) attack, every single time -- like Hillary just did saying Obama debates with himself. Hillary comes out swinging talking about the change she's effected in the past 35 years. Health care for kids in New Hampshire, medical insurance for National Guard. She's been making change for 35 years, she doesn't just promise it, she's delivered it.

Richardson: I've been in hostage situations less hostile than this. Let's stay positive. What's wrong with experience? He agrees with Hillary. Touts his own experience.

(Point goes to Hillary and Richardson in my view. )

On to Iraq: Did the surge work? Hillary says no. There hasn't been a willingness by the Iraqi Government to act. There is no reason for us to be there or for more of our troops to die if they won't take care of their responsibilities. She'll start withdrawal within 60 days of becoming President.

Richardson: There is no military solution or progress. I'd bring our troops home within a year with no residual troops.

Obama: (here he reminds us he opposed the war from the start. I knew he'd get that in.) Phased re-deployment. No details, no specifics, no timetable. No plan.

New question about timed withdrawal. Edwards: purpose of surge was not fulfilled. There's been no political progress. We have to stop propping up the sunnis and shias with American troops. In first year, he will bring 40-50k troops home. Within 9 to 10 months, all combat troops will be out, unless his advisors say more time is needed. We have to end occupation. No permanent military bases.

Each to get 30 seconds:

Richardson. We have to get out. I'll bring them home within 12 months. We need to think of our vets coming back with PTSD and mental anguish. We have a crisis.

Clinton: We agree, we have to get troops out and end Bush's blank check to the Iraqi gov't. We have to figure out what we'll do with the civilians and the Iraqis, like translators, who helped us. It's complicated.

Break, then part two.

My thoughts to far: Obama is too professorial and academic. Edwards is overplaying the attack card. Hillary is being critical of Obama which doesn't go over too well, but she's very good when she defends her own record. Richardson is plain-speaking and makes sense.

Obama is aligned with Edwards and Richardson is aligned with Hillary. It seems like Obama hasn't gotten a lot of time but that may be because he hasn't used his time well. The only thing he was strong on was defending his health care plan. The rest was generalities and there's no sense that he does have a track record.

Part Two: the Like-ability factor. Asks Hillary how she feels about being considered less likable than Obama. She says it hurts her feelings. Obama says she's likeable. She says she appreciates him saying that.

She says she thinks it is important to be ready to lead on day one. She embodies change. She has 35 years of working for it. Having the first woman presdent is huge change. She's made change for years.

Obama: Any of us would be a welcome change from George Bush. But people are hungry for a different type of politics. They want to be let back into their government. Gives an example of databases, I don't get it.

Obama dismisses Republican attacks on him as being too liberal. He's betting there are Republicans and Independents who think no one is listening to them and will come out and join a working coalition for change. Hillary, Richardson and Edwards have done some good things. But we need a working majority for change (code for working with Republicans) to effect health care and other change.

Richardson: Executive experience is important. He has it. Next president must have foreign policy experience. He's the only one with it. He's been tested.

Edwards goes on against corporate interests. Obama joins in. Hillary asks for a reality check. Obama's New Hampshire campaign head is a lobbyist. She is an agent for change, based on what she's done the past 35 years. She's taken on the drug companies, etc. Words aren't change. Actions are change.

Moderator makes mistake of saying he was in D.C. and President Clinton promised change too. Hillary responds with all the economic changes President Clinton made from raising taxes on corporations and wealthy to going from a deficit to a balanced budget. "If you don't think that's change, then you have amnesia."

Obama: It's easy to be cynical. Presidents throughout history have inspired...people are hungry for difference and big change...I give Bill Clinton enormous credit for balancing budget...but we didn't build a majority (code word, coalition with Republicans)...words help bring change. Don't discount power of words.

Richardson criticizes the others' bickering. Tells Edwards it's great for it to be personal for him but he's alienating everyone. We have to do coalition building. (He and Obama are saying the same thing but Richardson is concrete, while Obama is lofty words.)

Edwards: You can't nice these people to death. It doesn't work. You have to take them on.

On to global warming... I'm going to correct the typos and read the comments. Back later.

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    Is it just me (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:18:33 PM EST
    or do they all look ready to fall asleep?

    no (none / 0) (#21)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:20:21 PM EST
    that was the last group.

    these people look serious and intent

    Parent

    and everybody blew off (none / 0) (#1)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 07:49:34 PM EST
    Richardson and Paul so those two had to sit at their own lunch table.

    I've always liked Obama's answer on (none / 0) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:07:19 PM EST
    attacking Al Qaida in Pakistan.

    Good to see him stand by it.

    With me at least, point for Obama.

    Edwards echoes Obama (none / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:08:47 PM EST
    also good.

    Parent
    A. Q. Khan (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:09:46 PM EST
    Edwards remembers.

    Very good.

    Parent

    Richardson (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:10:46 PM EST
    I do not care. He should not be there.

    Go home Bill.

    Parent

    Clinton (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:15:07 PM EST
    Reminds that Bill tried to take out bin Laden.

    Does not answer the question.

    Why is al Qaida still a threat? blah blah.

    Good point on the India thing

    But pretty poor answer from Hillary.

    Points to Edwards and Obama.

    Parent

    Obama's second round (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:18:17 PM EST
    Excellent to demonstrate what was wrong with the Bush Doctrine.

    good start for Obama.

    Parent

    Obama's 3rd answer (none / 0) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:22:17 PM EST
    Less smooth, a but repetitive. Not great. Not a problem though.

    Hillary's second pass was a bit better. Still, round to Obama and Edwards for me.

    Parent

    Obama sounded (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:10:53 PM EST
    very presidential on that answer. good optics

    I'm just very proud... (none / 0) (#7)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:12:20 PM EST
    to hear all of our Dem candidates. They all strike me as capable, logical, and have the ability to think things through. Any one of them could do the job and move this country forward. Unfortunately, they are going to have to spend at least the first term just getting repair started on the damage done by W.

    Clinton going back to the 90s (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:13:39 PM EST
    not smart IMO.


    Hillary is leaning too much on Bill again... (none / 0) (#9)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:14:43 PM EST
    She always talks about "us" as if she and Bill C. were both sitting at the desk in the Oval Office. I think this just makes her look like she's inflating her resume'. It's really sad. I was going to support her, but the last few weeks have really turned me off of her (it's not just her to be fair, it's the whole DNC machine thingie).

    no (none / 0) (#15)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:17:16 PM EST
    she was saying - I was there, I know what I am talking about.

    Parent
    Hillary on terrorism (none / 0) (#11)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:15:17 PM EST
    brings up "we" ten years ago.  (Maybe we is U.S. or maybe "we" in the White House.)

    Good point? Or not?


    2 previous commenters (none / 0) (#12)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:15:56 PM EST
    answered my Q.

    Parent
    Hillary bores me (none / 0) (#212)
    by Mopsmom03 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:39:04 PM EST
    She is very smart, and has some good answers, you just have to stay awake to find out what they are.  I know that the President is not supposed to be entertaining, but come on she could be a little more affable.  Barrak is just as smart, but a whole lot more likable, and inspirational.

    Parent
    actually letting her talk (none / 0) (#13)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:16:15 PM EST
    cant say she didnt have time to make some clear statements

    she (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:16:32 PM EST
    shouldn't go into a foreign policy dispute with Richardson, she needs to contrast with obama.. BIG MISTAKE

    Richardson' answer was nonsense (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:19:30 PM EST
    I think she did right to take him on.

    It was the best part of her answer.

    Parent

    O on message (none / 0) (#16)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:17:21 PM EST
    bring up Iraq vote

    On question 1 Obama was better than Hillary (none / 0) (#19)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:19:26 PM EST
    Her answer was too long and wonky.  

    Edwards actually gave the best answer but it probably doesn't matter.

    maybe (none / 0) (#26)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:22:16 PM EST
    I thought they all sounded good - I thought the long Clinton answer was to show she had a plan - had thought about it.  The details werent the point, imo, in terms of what she was trying to show.

    Parent
    sorry (none / 0) (#36)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:26:39 PM EST
    you meant on 1 - I withdraw my comment

    Parent
    from my partisan pro-Obama view (none / 0) (#22)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:20:45 PM EST
    I like it that he ventured to add more, taking a risk, when he could easily sit back and play low-risk.

    Perversely, I think the bigger risk for O. is if he tries to run out the clock and sit on his uncertain lead.

    I agree (none / 0) (#28)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:23:33 PM EST
    from my non-Obama partisan perspective.

    Parent
    Obama seems to have (none / 0) (#23)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:21:29 PM EST
    grown a lot as a candidate.compare this answer to his first one on retaliation.

    in the (none / 0) (#25)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:22:04 PM EST
    first debate or second debate

    Parent
    Obama showing his foreign policy smarts (none / 0) (#24)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:22:03 PM EST
    folks need to stop saying he doesn't know anything about foreign policy.

    and i have also noticed that hillary keeps saying we alot tonight.

    the comments (none / 0) (#29)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:23:37 PM EST
    are lack of experience - and that doesnt go away just cause you say so, sorry.

    Parent
    lack of experience of argreeing with the hawks? (none / 0) (#34)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST
    i'll take a different approach than that of the folks who have been there making our country less safe, less viable and less respected in the world.

    Clinton has experience....just the wrong kind of experience.

    Parent

    that would be the GOP (none / 0) (#39)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:27:36 PM EST
    and so I would agree

    Parent
    I really wanted Obama to say... (none / 0) (#221)
    by burnedoutdem on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 11:54:49 PM EST
    "...so where were you while Bill was fixing the deficit?  Redecorating the White House or presiding over the National Quilt Show?"  First Lady is not real governing experience!  And while she's criticizing Edwards' inability to get the bill he pushed through the Senate passed in the House, she was clearly forgetting her own failed health care initiative.  How can she call her failure "experience" while discounting Edwards' and Obama's endeavors with legislation?  Talk about amnesia...

    Parent
    Folks at TalkLeft (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:27:20 PM EST
    At least Jeralyn and I, have NEVER EVER said that.

    Indeed, I strongly defended Obama on his Pakistan/Al Qaida answer.

    Obama supporters never seem to understand that.

    Parent

    i thought she meant (none / 0) (#41)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:28:41 PM EST
    in general - not here.

    you and Jeralyn are very fair.  And I just got here so I have no idea who she is referring to.

    Parent

    debate obectives (none / 0) (#30)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:24:02 PM EST
    Do commenters agree that Hillary has to score points against (maybe even TKO) Obama tonight?

    Richardson BOMBSHELL! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:24:50 PM EST
    Terrorists have nuclear weapons!

    Man is he the worst candidate ever?

    haha (none / 0) (#33)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:25:33 PM EST
    same time same thought

    Parent
    someone put a sock in (none / 0) (#32)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:25:07 PM EST
    richardson, please.

    Round 1 to Obama (none / 0) (#35)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:26:36 PM EST
    He looked calm, assured and he didn't say anything wrong.

    Hillary's off her game tonight so far.  If she stays this way, this debate won't do her any good.

    i agree she is off her game (none / 0) (#50)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:32:50 PM EST
    i am SO suprised (none / 0) (#55)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:15 PM EST
    :-)

    Parent
    Good Q. by Charlie re: change (none / 0) (#38)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:27:31 PM EST
    gives Hillary her shot. Fair 'nuff.

    flip flopper (none / 0) (#40)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:27:55 PM EST
    big mistake

    Hillary's attack on Obama (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:29:15 PM EST
    She looks weak and uncomfortable.

    She does not like doing it and she should NOT do it.

    she is blowing it tonight imo.

    Obama is smoother, but still halting (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:30:04 PM EST
    I agree (none / 0) (#46)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:31:23 PM EST
    We're getting the Hillary that nobody likes tonight. She's not doing herself any favors.

    Parent
    That just changed (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:33:09 PM EST
    Obama made a tactical mistake giving Hillary a line of attack.

    Parent
    Yes (none / 0) (#56)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:15 PM EST
    Obama did not do well.


    Parent
    she knows she's on thin ice... (none / 0) (#222)
    by burnedoutdem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 12:00:42 AM EST
    ...every time she attacks him she gets walloped in the press, so she's being really careful with her words.  I think she looks uncomfortable because she's holding back.

    Obama by contrast does seem halting, but, like Clinton, I think he's choosing his words carefully.  In some ways it's annoying that they're censoring, but I think I prefer this to the free-for-all mud fight happening with the Republicans.  

    Parent

    Just starting to watch (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:29:29 PM EST
    "I have no problem with scrutiny coming my win." Good answer.

    Obama gives decent response to Hillary's flip-flop accusation.

    hillary says obama shouldn't change his mind (none / 0) (#44)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:29:39 PM EST
    instead of appreciating growth in thought, she says he keeps changing his mind.  i like change....i hate it when folks stay with the same thought no matter how wrong it is.

    Obama on Social Security/Health Care (none / 0) (#47)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:31:27 PM EST
    I do not know why Obama opened this up.

    Look at Hillary now. She found a line of attack.

    Much better from Hillary.


    risk-taking from O. (none / 0) (#64)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:35:56 PM EST
    I still think he does better, even if 'opening up a line for HRC.'

    It may be my bias, but I find when O's speaks on policy wonky stuff, I can pay attention.

    He's smooth - reminds me of another Clinton. :)

    Parent

    Hillary's comeback on healthcare is pretty good (none / 0) (#48)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:31:38 PM EST


    Obama (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:32:47 PM EST
    "I want John to be able to get in on this" Do they have an arrangement?

    Hillary has taken control.

    Parent

    Edwards endorses Obama (none / 0) (#54)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:06 PM EST
    Weak.

    Parent
    I heard that too (none / 0) (#61)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:35:17 PM EST
    sounded like they were ganging up -

    Parent
    Obama is trying to attract Edwards supporters (none / 0) (#52)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:33:27 PM EST
    by linking his proposals and Edwards.  

    Not really a good plan.  He should stick with his own program.

    Obama (none / 0) (#53)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:33:40 PM EST
    "Everyone has great qualifications."

    ORLY????

    status quo (none / 0) (#57)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:18 PM EST
    = hillary

    ouch (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:20 PM EST
    she shot her self in the foot

    Edwards is latched on to Obama (none / 0) (#59)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:34:21 PM EST
    Very strange.

    He's decided to bring down Hillary (none / 0) (#60)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:35:16 PM EST
    since he can't win himself.

    Parent
    yep - nasty (none / 0) (#69)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:34 PM EST
    And that is what it looks like (none / 0) (#72)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:37:29 PM EST
    Edwards looks very bad to me.

    He never was trying to win. He never took on Obama.

    Pathetic.

    Parent

    Hillary's (none / 0) (#63)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:35:50 PM EST
    "Making change is not about what you believe."

    ZING.

    Parent

    Richardson calls debate "uncivil" (none / 0) (#70)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:51 PM EST
    I don't think he knows what that means.

    Parent
    yeah (none / 0) (#74)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:37:47 PM EST
    I LIKE that they all got into it - I want the herar what they all have to say.

    Parent
    working hard (none / 0) (#62)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:35:35 PM EST
    = bush talking point

    do it Hillary! (none / 0) (#65)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:05 PM EST
    yeah baby  I already did it!

    If I was Hillary (none / 0) (#66)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:08 PM EST
    I would I would have torn into John Edwards trying to exclude her from the debate.

    Though she really showed some passion.

    Good.

    She's a fighter (none / 0) (#76)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:01 PM EST
    That Edwards attack brought it out.

    Parent
    A good moment for her (none / 0) (#86)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:41:20 PM EST
    A bad moment for Edwards.

    He looked very condescending there to me.


    Parent

    No, not politically (none / 0) (#92)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:43:46 PM EST
    It will be played over and over and remind everyone of why they hate Hillary.

    For a man it would have been a positive.  Not for her.

    Parent

    Well (none / 0) (#100)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:04 PM EST
    Women vote don't they?

    Personally, I can not really look at Edwards in this debate.

    He is not trying to win.

    I do not respect that at all.

    Parent

    You think women are easy on other women? (none / 0) (#106)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:49:02 PM EST
    It wasn't good for her.

    But it did put her back on her game so maybe she'll have a good moment that cancels it out.

    Parent

    hillary is angry (none / 0) (#67)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:09 PM EST
    give her a chill pill...calm down lady

    Calm down LADY? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:25 PM EST
    and go bake some cookies?

    Wow! you must be kidding me.

    Parent

    maybe (none / 0) (#94)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:44:13 PM EST
    Becca could go make some cookies?  Id like a cookie. :_)

    Parent
    HRC (none / 0) (#73)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:37:44 PM EST
    she's doing fine.  She's got to challenge tonight, no choice.

    Parent
    agree, ... makes her look desperate n/t (none / 0) (#80)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:57 PM EST
    she (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:36:12 PM EST
    is going to get skewered for this tomorrow.

    Strong disagree (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:17 PM EST
    what will be rememberd tomorrow (none / 0) (#85)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:41:18 PM EST
    did she make a case why we should go vote for her, nope she lashed out at Obama.

    Parent
    maybey by whiney babies (none / 0) (#71)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:37:01 PM EST
    change (none / 0) (#75)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:37:47 PM EST
    = getting rid of folks who have all that experience because it is bad experience.

    sure (none / 0) (#79)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:45 PM EST
    when you have none call anybody else's bad - nice tactic.  I am sure it will work. :_)

    Parent
    her experience is sitting in the white house (none / 0) (#82)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:39:48 PM EST
    i don't count that experience

    Parent
    yawn (none / 0) (#97)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:45:13 PM EST
     

    Parent
    she (none / 0) (#78)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:38:25 PM EST
    looks terrible in contrast to Richardson who is making the same argument nicely.

    Richardson (none / 0) (#84)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:41:00 PM EST
    looks like a pussy.  This isn't even a hot disagreement and they're crying.


    Parent
    Obama didn't (none / 0) (#89)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:42:43 PM EST
    cry.

    Now she just sounds angry about everything she says

    Parent

    Why not call her hysterical and be done with (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:45:05 PM EST
    it.

    you are being ridiculous. But you almost always are when Obama is involved.

    Parent

    they are both (none / 0) (#98)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:45:59 PM EST
    just ridiculous.  

    Parent
    why is it ridiculous (none / 0) (#121)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:55:43 PM EST
    when Edwards takes an angry tone we can admit, I'm sure tomorrow when people say she sounds angry you will write it off as the media being unfair.

    As for going negative, i think it is undisputable, in this campaign, the attacker gets punished, speaking of which flip flopper is a right wing talking point, will you speak out.

    Parent

    clean it up (none / 0) (#102)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:48:13 PM EST
    sure (none / 0) (#120)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:55:42 PM EST
    thank you Very much (none / 0) (#216)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:42:00 PM EST
    O: "and just to wrap up" (none / 0) (#83)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:40:16 PM EST
    Heh.

    Presumptuous or Presidential?

    Gibson tries to claim that the surge is working (none / 0) (#87)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:41:43 PM EST
    EXPLETIVE DELETED.

    i heard that too.... (none / 0) (#91)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:43:01 PM EST
    funny...maybe he thought the republicans were still there debating

    Parent
    Surge (none / 0) (#196)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:22:13 PM EST
    Anyone that thinks the surge is working should put on the uniform and get on the front line

    Parent
    That Edwards attack woke Hillary up (none / 0) (#88)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:42:43 PM EST
    and her attitude during this Iraq response is more in line with her previous debates.  

    Edwards' attack could backfire.

    Hillary got woken up (none / 0) (#90)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:42:55 PM EST
    Great answer on the success of The Surge.

    In a Dem debate (none / 0) (#93)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:43:58 PM EST
    the Q. is a softball.

    Parent
    She lost herself at the end (none / 0) (#95)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:44:27 PM EST
    but I think he answer was good--and every Democrat will agree with it.

    Parent
    Obama (none / 0) (#99)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM EST
    slam dunk on iraq

    ha he is kicking some (none / 0) (#101)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:47:09 PM EST
    major A**

    so charlie gibson (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:48:40 PM EST
    is clearly biased against Dems we see

    charlie is an idiot (none / 0) (#104)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:48:51 PM EST
    going into iraq started all the violence...what a stupid question.

    Edwards gives a good response on Iraq (none / 0) (#105)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:48:53 PM EST
    The commander in chief sets policy.

    Richardson babbles about residual troops (none / 0) (#110)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:50:09 PM EST
    Edwards on the Surge (none / 0) (#107)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:49:07 PM EST
    fine answer.

    Brits leaving Basra (none / 0) (#108)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:49:11 PM EST
    violence went down??

    Don't Blink (none / 0) (#109)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:50:02 PM EST
    How you can believe anything Edwards says...the guy blinks a 1000 times a second.  I don't trust a word he says


    maybe those lights are hot.... (none / 0) (#111)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:51:42 PM EST
    sweat is getting in his eyes

    Parent
    in actuality.... (none / 0) (#113)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:52:28 PM EST
    all of them are blinking alot

    Parent
    Obama looks fabulous.... (none / 0) (#112)
    by Aaron on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:52:20 PM EST
    In command and in control, especially when he was talking about Iraq.

    Hillary look like she was about to have a minor meltdown there for a minute during the health-care question.  She doesn't look so hot now that she's under real pressure.

    John Edwards is praising AT&T, give me a break.

    The Doubleteam (none / 0) (#136)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:41 PM EST
    ABSOLUTELY!

    Edwards blew it with that imo..

    Parent

    Military (none / 0) (#114)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:52:51 PM EST
    I'm in the military and have been to the desert twice...Iraq is still a mess and I don't see Edwards or Richardson leading the country out...Clinton or Obama?

    All the leading strategic thinkers... (none / 0) (#131)
    by Aaron on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:06 PM EST
    ... talk about phased withdrawal from Iraq, just as the Obama mentioned.  The United States has a duty to the Iraqi people to leave some kind of stability there as we pull out, that is our responsibility to them and to our own national interests.

    Edwards, Clinton just say were going to leave, because they believe that's what liberal supporters want to hear.  Everyone knows that it'll take some time, most probably years to get out, if we are to do it responsibly.

    Parent

    thinkers (none / 0) (#145)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:03:09 PM EST
    True but actually I like the fact that Clinton said she would work with our military leaders to design the withdrawal plan.  Under Bush more Generals have resigned then any other time in the history of our country because they believed the Prez wasn't listening.

    Parent
    George Bush was doing much worse than that (none / 0) (#181)
    by Aaron on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:14:30 PM EST
    He was using up our military people, using them to carry out the wrong strategy in Iraq, and then blaming them for the failure of that strategy, replacing them with someone else, only to force them to try the same strategy all over again.  General Petraeusus  was really the first commander in Iraq to start implementing the strategy we should have been using since 2003.

    The Bush administration has done more damage to our military leadership than any president in modern history.  He's also responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis that need not have died, if we'd had our people out in the field doing what they're doing now, building relationships and getting to know the people and learning to understand how their country and culture works.  If we had implemented the approach of the new COIN manual years ago, Iraq would be a much different place today, I believe.

    Parent

    Pardon (none / 0) (#153)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:05:33 PM EST
    but did you just make the argument that Obama will keep troops in Iraq while Clinton and Edwards will not?  If so, HUH?

    It seems that supporters will put whatever they think is best forward as his position.  That's only possible because he's been so vacant and vacuous so far.  

    Can that work as a strategy?  


    Parent

    Commercial break (none / 0) (#115)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:53:59 PM EST
    Mr Unity '08 shills for Ameritrade.

    why do Obama (none / 0) (#116)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:54:06 PM EST
    supporters always come across like childrenon this board?  The guy deserves so much better.

    expain yourself... (none / 0) (#119)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST
    what are you talking about?

    Parent
    didn't spell check... (none / 0) (#124)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:56:36 PM EST
    explain yourself

    Parent
    I'd say (none / 0) (#126)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:57:57 PM EST
    I was very clear.

    Parent
    you obviously weren't clear (none / 0) (#132)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:18 PM EST
    otherwise i wouldn't be asking you to explain yourself.

    Parent
    dont have time (none / 0) (#146)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:03:33 PM EST
    to teach you - sorry.

    Parent
    ahem (none / 0) (#125)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:56:58 PM EST
    i resemble that remark.

    Parent
    sorry (none / 0) (#127)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:58:26 PM EST
    no you dont - but you could work on it. :-0

    Parent
    well (none / 0) (#128)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:58:32 PM EST
    since statistics show the Hillary's base is the geriatrics set, I guess it is all relative.

    Parent
    do you mean our Host (none / 0) (#210)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:37:45 PM EST
    Jeralyn?

    Parent
    Gulp. (none / 0) (#219)
    by oculus on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:11:00 PM EST
    dont look at me (none / 0) (#220)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 10:21:27 PM EST
    I didnt say it - merely pointed out who he was attacking.

    I also didnt say Obama supporters were young - I was commenting on the crop here...not the people I know who are pretty thoughtful about why.

    Parent

    Good answer (none / 0) (#117)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:54:53 PM EST
    on the complexity of withdrawal and our interest from Hillary while standing firmly for withdrawal.

    Hillary done good on the Iraq question (none / 0) (#123)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:56:35 PM EST
    now that she's calmed down a bit. I don't think any one of them was a clear victor on that question, 'cept Bill R. sort of went on a tangent.

    Parent
    Blink (none / 0) (#118)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:55:17 PM EST
    Yeah they are all blinking but not like Edwards.  I think Richardson tried to play it cool...maybe he is hoping the winner will pick him as vice.

    I think Hillary must have internal polling (none / 0) (#122)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:56:33 PM EST
    that shows her losing to Obama.  She just doesn't seem to be into it tonight. She was better in the second half, but in her previous debates she looked like she was having fun, there was a sparkle in her eyes.  Not tonight.  She almost seems like she thinks this is a waste of time and she just needs to get through it without messing up.

    I think her natural fighting instinct kicked in a bit when Edwards turned on her.  But something's still missing.

    Clinton (none / 0) (#130)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:58:44 PM EST
    She seems a bit tired tonight but I still think she might be the best of the bunch

    Parent
    Or she saw the Rasmussen poll... (none / 0) (#223)
    by burnedoutdem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 12:17:05 AM EST
    It came out early evening and shows Obama up 37-27.  I don't know how reliable it is, but it was getting early press before the Republican debate started.

    I was wondering about her internal polls, too.  Turns out her internal polls in Iowa matched the DMR poll and Mark Penn wasn't sharing that tidbit while he tried to spin the DMR poll.  Not that I blame him, but that made me wonder about her demeanor tonight.  She seemed to be jabbing like she was trying to get in last licks, not win.

    Parent

    There's the cackle again... (none / 0) (#129)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:58:38 PM EST


    Idiot (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:02:06 PM EST
    i heard it too (none / 0) (#138)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:00:28 PM EST
    her feelings are hurt too...

    Parent
    Another idiot (none / 0) (#147)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:03:42 PM EST
    Oh, so now she (none / 0) (#176)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:13:40 PM EST
    can't show emotion? That was no cackle it was a mild genuine laugh.

    Parent
    you arent dealing (none / 0) (#213)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:40:03 PM EST
    with people who actually want to converse rationally so while I respect you and Big Tent for your manners you really are wasting your time with these two - imo.

    Parent
    I was looking for the cackle and didn't hear it (none / 0) (#224)
    by burnedoutdem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 12:18:59 AM EST
    ...I took that laugh as genuine and almost flirty?

    Parent
    damn, ... my feed just went down... (none / 0) (#133)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:30 PM EST


    point for HRC (none / 0) (#134)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:34 PM EST
    'that hurts my feelings.'

    nope (none / 0) (#144)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:02:37 PM EST
    her melt down plus "that hurts my feelings" combined is not good.   She's better when she's one of the guys.  Tonight she's a girl.

    Parent
    matter of taste (none / 0) (#150)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:04:22 PM EST
    but i liked it.

    'humanize the glacier.'

    Parent

    me too (none / 0) (#167)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:09:55 PM EST
    me too (none / 0) (#168)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:10:05 PM EST
    You gotta be kidding me (none / 0) (#158)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:06:45 PM EST
    That was clearly a GREAT moment for her.

    It was a joke. And the crowd laughed WITH her.

    Come on.

    Parent

    not kidding (none / 0) (#162)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:08:05 PM EST
    this is not a good night for her.

    Parent
    Not a great night (none / 0) (#202)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:34:32 PM EST
    because of the bad start.

    But certainly not a bad night now.

    Indeed, I give her a draw with Obama with Edwards the big loser.

    Parent

    People don't like Hillary. . . (none / 0) (#135)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 08:59:35 PM EST
    Stupid question.

    Obama has a nasty rejoinder.

    eew (none / 0) (#137)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:00:05 PM EST
    you're likeable enough?  

    yeah (none / 0) (#139)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:01:21 PM EST
    that was a bad moment for Obama.

    Parent
    yeah - (none / 0) (#152)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:05:05 PM EST
    snot nose

    Parent
    she isn't likable (none / 0) (#140)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:01:35 PM EST
    and she knows that...

    Parent
    She's likable and can win (none / 0) (#164)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:09:06 PM EST
    Hillary's box (none / 0) (#142)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:02:13 PM EST
    My experience = change.

    It's just a tough case to make.

    agreed (none / 0) (#149)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:04:10 PM EST
    HIllary makes an excellent (none / 0) (#143)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:02:16 PM EST
    implicit comparison between Obama and W. "Uniter, not a divider, etc."

    Not a good comparision (none / 0) (#156)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:06:08 PM EST
    because Obama understands the issues at hand...bush was and still is a crack head, alcoholic and a fool.he also ran an oil company into the ground. no comparison.

    Parent
    It's a comparison of the way (none / 0) (#160)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:07:43 PM EST
    they run. Bush had a mendacity beneath his political style. What does Obama have?  If he really believes what he's saying, well, that's the worst possibility.

    Parent
    what is the problem in believing........ (none / 0) (#177)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:13:54 PM EST
    in what is happening now.  dems, repubs and independents are starting to back him.

    the old guard...status quo...they never like new folks who shake things up.

    bush wasn't shaking things up...listen...how can you believe anything from a crack head?  the repubs had ya'll fooled.

    Parent

    Lots of words strung together (none / 0) (#191)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    but I don't think you're actually arguing anything.

    Parent
    accept (none / 0) (#163)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:08:55 PM EST
    that according to her, comparing people to GW is below the belt.  so maybe she should make up her mind on what is acceptable campaigning.

    Parent
    The fact of the matter is (none / 0) (#170)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:10:43 PM EST
    that everything people say about her political style ("triangulation") is actually true of Obama.

    Parent
    Would be a solid punch (none / 0) (#225)
    by burnedoutdem on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 12:23:28 AM EST
    Except that Bush claimed to be a uniter after he ran a divisive, fear-mongering campaign.  You can't really say the same about Obama's campaign.  I think that particular jab only works if you've been living under a rock during the primary process, which certainly isn't true of NH voters.

    Parent
    We've seen this movie before ... (none / 0) (#148)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:03:45 PM EST
    great answer

    But his argument is wrong (none / 0) (#151)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:04:48 PM EST
    His "working coalition" isn't going to happen. Not on the "big issues."

    He's simply wrong about this; he thinks it will include Republicans.

    Parent

    yes (none / 0) (#154)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:05:43 PM EST
    Richardson SHOULD NOT BE HERE (none / 0) (#155)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:05:45 PM EST


    Change (none / 0) (#157)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:06:31 PM EST
    Leading change takes more than charisma

    Yes, but charisma is a necessary component. (none / 0) (#169)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:10:13 PM EST
    Charisma (none / 0) (#173)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:12:21 PM EST
    I agree with that but we must get pass the charisma and listening to what is being said...I hear a lot but I don't see the plan...details

    Parent
    The Mod Attacking Richardson? (none / 0) (#161)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:07:48 PM EST
    Yellow flag. 25 yards penalty for unnecessary roughness on a cipher.

    Edwards has no reason to be here either (none / 0) (#165)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:09:42 PM EST
    his line about "no corporate lobbyists" is stale and disingenuous.

    I've never (none / 0) (#166)
    by RalphB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:09:49 PM EST
    seen Edwards look like such an absolute dolt before.  Did I miss it or is this pretty much new?


    they all are tired (none / 0) (#172)
    by commissar on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:11:48 PM EST
    it shows

    Parent
    It's new (none / 0) (#178)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:14:05 PM EST
    Generally he is excellent in these debates.

    Parent
    It's new (none / 0) (#182)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:15:07 PM EST
    Generally he is excellent in these debates.

    Parent
    Edwards doesn't even believe himself (none / 0) (#171)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:10:44 PM EST
    Give me a break, he sounds like a kid complaining in at the playground

    I've been live blogging above but (none / 0) (#174)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:12:39 PM EST
    I think Hillary has done well. She got attacked by Edwards and defended herself passionately with specifics about her record. Her hurt feelings comment was perfect.

    She had a specific plan for withdrawal and the thorny issues involved in it.

    Obama is too mild and professorial.

    Richardson has been very good and playing a supportive role for Hillary.

    Edwards is too negative and attacking.

    Small Race (none / 0) (#179)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:14:08 PM EST
    I honestly believe this race is between Obama and Clinton...the other two need to step out

    Parent
    To win NH (none / 0) (#185)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:16:18 PM EST
    Hillary has to keep all of her current support plus win undecideds or peel away support from Edwards (when his supporters decide not to waste their votes).

    I don't see her doing it with this performance tonight.  

    Parent

    She can only do what she can do (none / 0) (#198)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:25:30 PM EST
    Which is to win back the Democratic base.

    She has to hope McCain can hold down Obama's Independent vote.

    that is all she can do.

    I think that is what she is trying to do tonight.

    I think her strategy is souund/

    Parent

    I've thought she has won every other debate (none / 0) (#208)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:37:00 PM EST
    that I've seen (3 or 4 at least).  She did not win this one.   She needed to win this one.  

    It wasn't just the melt down.  She just wasn't "on" tonight.

    Parent

    I dont know (none / 0) (#203)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:34:44 PM EST
    I liked Clinto kicking back - she made good points.  But I dont know that people came to this - as I did - with an open mind.  People often hear what they want to...and ignore anything that doesnt fit their comfort level.

    Parent
    Edwards (none / 0) (#175)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:12:44 PM EST
    Is he crying?

    snapapoloooza (none / 0) (#180)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:14:13 PM EST
    Charlie snaps Obama and Edwards snaps himself.

    Hillary's "reality check" is rehearsed (none / 0) (#184)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:15:38 PM EST
    and brilliant.

    "reality check" (none / 0) (#189)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:18:39 PM EST
    Yeah she's back on point

    Parent
    She's inflating her resume' again (none / 0) (#190)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:18:56 PM EST
    with that 35 year crap. She was NOT President. She acts like everything Bill did is due to her. It's just looking really pathetic to me. She can run on her own without Bill, why doesn't she?

    Parent
    Are you kidding (none / 0) (#195)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:22:01 PM EST
    she was intimately involved with just about every domestic policy decision made in that White House.

    You're making the "Hillary doesn't have experience" argument, and it's a dead fish.

    Parent

    Clinton = Change (none / 0) (#186)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:17:18 PM EST
    Hillary has been there and done that...is she penalized because of her efforts

    Clinton n Change (none / 0) (#187)
    by JstWalt on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:17:35 PM EST
    Hillary has been there and done that...is she penalized because of her efforts

    yeah (none / 0) (#194)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:21:52 PM EST
    cause you know, success is the "wrong" kind of experience. :-)

    Parent
    yeah...her healthcare plan was a big sucess (none / 0) (#204)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:35:15 PM EST
    we are all benefiting from it!

    Parent
    if you are (5.00 / 1) (#215)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:41:05 PM EST
    the age that you sound you probably are.

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    wow...i can't hear....too much talking (none / 0) (#188)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:17:54 PM EST


    washington victory (none / 0) (#192)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:21:48 PM EST
    that was the best debate protion

    obama: you can inspire the american people (none / 0) (#193)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:21:50 PM EST
    you have to have them on their side...to make change.

    Gibson: (none / 0) (#197)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:24:24 PM EST
    "I'm sorry Chris Dodd isn't here." heh.

    This thread is taking forever to open (none / 0) (#199)
    by Maryb2004 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:32:11 PM EST


    yeah - (none / 0) (#205)
    by Judith on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:35:45 PM EST
    I think there may be a lot of readers, too.

    Parent
    Time for a new thread? (none / 0) (#200)
    by andgarden on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:32:22 PM EST


    Site went down but is back up (5.00 / 1) (#206)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:35:48 PM EST
    Colin (webmaster is monitoring now.) I'll do a new thread as soon as debate is over for post-debate comments.

    Parent
    Gibson (none / 0) (#201)
    by neutralobserver on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:34:23 PM EST
    Charlie Gibson's political views (flaming Republican)are a major disservice to this debate as he tries to push his agenda, not pose actual questions that Americans would like to have the candidates comment on.

    the last debate on change (none / 0) (#207)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:36:13 PM EST
    was the best, and Richardson called it Washington bickering.

    10 points for richardson (none / 0) (#209)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:37:19 PM EST
    great answer

    -10 points for clinton and obama (none / 0) (#211)
    by becca77 on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:38:40 PM EST
    edwards and richardson gave great last answers

    agreed, was disappointing to see HRC and Obama (none / 0) (#214)
    by CB on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:40:53 PM EST
    avoid a specific answer, esp. so for Obama, because he had the longest to think about it. Oh well.

    Parent
    her comes (none / 0) (#217)
    by Jgarza on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:48:31 PM EST
    the punditry
    stephanopolous said what i said she sounded angry and not good when she got into it with edwards and Obama at the beginning

    but you know the media is so biased and I'm an idiot.

    new thread now open (none / 0) (#218)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jan 05, 2008 at 09:49:35 PM EST
    here.

    Please start using that one as this one is getting overloaded. Thanks.