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JFK Was No Obama

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 04:56:13 PM EST
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    I dunno... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by OrangeFur on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:27:25 PM EST
    He sounds kind of shrill to me.

    An angry Democrat (none / 0) (#13)
    by Alien Abductee on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:33:40 PM EST
    from the fever swamp...

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    Ha. (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:02:44 PM EST


    Obama=JFK lite? (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:07:33 PM EST
    OK very lite.

    On the other hand, Michelle Obama (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:09:52 PM EST
    on C-Span reminds me quite a bit of Hillary Clinton.  

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    Occ - re Michelle (none / 0) (#16)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:26:35 PM EST

    Obama's wife said she was stunned the first years of her marriage that the guy didn't know how to do anything in the house and just about dumped everything on her so he could go off doing his thing.

    Once this country has been romanced by him, woe betide us if this is what awaits us. Go to bed with Gilda and wake up with Don Knots.  I sure HOPE not.

    She sounds more capable because she has to be.

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    Sounds familiar, but isn't the younger (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:29:56 PM EST
    generation of men supposed to be more equal participants in the marriage?  

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    That is what she thought.... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:31:13 PM EST
    suprise!

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    wow (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jgarza on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:20:27 PM EST
    you are mocking Obama's marriage. a new low for the Hillies. Remember how mad you get when people start dissecting the Clintons marriage.  Ohh and BTW i know republicans do this, it doesn't bother me.  seeing "democrats" do it does.

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    vanity fair (none / 0) (#23)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 08:46:24 PM EST
    online only. go educate yourself.

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    did you (none / 0) (#28)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 11:29:56 PM EST
    check our Vanity Fair yet?

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    That is funny (none / 0) (#25)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    and it defines the feeling I get every time I see/hear him. I wouldn't trust him to remember to lock up the house at night,much less have any input to national defense.

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    it is funny (none / 0) (#27)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:53:27 PM EST
    She loves the man and doesnt mean anything bad by it.  She is honest.  But yeah, it made me think...

    I have beemn romanced before and I love it - who doesnt like it? let's be clear. I totally get his attractiveness to people. I totally understand his appeal.  I understand that after what we have had to deal with that he makes people feel much better.  Yes, to feel hope.  What a lovely feeling!  How terrific to put the scurge of racism behind us.  Oh yes, I want to be that country he describes. I really do! And perhaps he doesn't want to wait because who knows what the deal will be 4 to 8 years from now.  He sees his opening now and I dont blame him one bit.  

    But then Saturday morning the john overflows, the overhead bulb goes on and de romance is over.  Reality sets in.

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    Sadly, (none / 0) (#3)
    by Alien Abductee on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:09:30 PM EST
    JFK is no other Democrat today either.

    Lloyd? (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:13:00 PM EST


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    so (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jgarza on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:31:58 PM EST
    now we are making the case that we need to go back to the 60s? 90's isn't good enough?  Maybe we can argue with republicans about how much better our grandparents were for not making black people sit at the back of the bus.  Ohh and every time we find someone who's grandparent wasn't for equality lets kick them out of the party! only true democrats get support out candidates.

    He is clearly responding to criticism from republicans, you know since these aren't clips from a primary.

    The hyperpartisan set needs help, politics is about getting things done, not about how much fun you have fighting with the "right wing machine."  seriously I'm beginning to think some of you don't care about results just having a blistering fight along the way.

    You be civil now (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 05:52:11 PM EST
    No more insults. I'll make sure you are not insulted also.

    Ok, let's stick to substance, all of us. I know I have been the worst at it.


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    yeah your right that junk (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jgarza on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:00:49 PM EST
    clouded my point i'll repost

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    Uh oh. Dad's home. n/t (none / 0) (#26)
    by oldpro on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 10:23:26 PM EST


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    context (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jgarza on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:03:44 PM EST
    He is clearly responding to criticism from his republican opponent.

    In fact he is attacking the republican for being partisan, my guess is Obama will similarly attack his republican opponent for being partisan, probably even point out if that opponent has attacked democrats, he wont be able to work with our current Dem congress to produce change.

    watch it again and consider the context.

    Partisan (none / 0) (#10)
    by trillian on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:10:41 PM EST
    JFK was clearly partisan....and a hell of a fighter.

    I'm fear that Obama is neither.

    Hope he proves me wrong

    I've never been a fan of saying (none / 0) (#12)
    by Geekesque on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 06:28:47 PM EST
    a modern politician is 'this generation's ____."

    JFK was who he was at his moment in history.

    Obama is who he is at his moment in history.

    Well said (none / 0) (#14)
    by Satya1 on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:07:57 PM EST
    I'm so tired of the RFK, JFK thing.  Obama is Obama.

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    Can we have that please? (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:21:23 PM EST


    Help me out here (none / 0) (#19)
    by rdandrea on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:32:58 PM EST
    Are you saying that if Obama gets the nomination, you'd rather have Nixon as President?

    Gagging. (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:34:17 PM EST


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    that is a swell clip (none / 0) (#21)
    by Judith on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 07:51:31 PM EST
    one thing about Kennedy -- which I think a lot of us know -- is that he was intelligent, funny, and a witty without a smidgeon of the pompous or the patronzing.  It is always a treat to listen to him so thanks.

    And (none / 0) (#24)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sun Jan 06, 2008 at 09:00:07 PM EST

    And he was a tax cutter too!

    gentle ridicule. (none / 0) (#29)
    by CathyinLa on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:46:38 AM EST
    The best part of this is the laughter midway about who actually got called the ignoramous, the ridiculousness of it all, but he's deadly serious about citing the jabs directed their way.

    This is what makes it not shrill at all, it's purposeful but it's meant to ridicule the people who called Democrats traitors, liars, ignoramouses and other egregious maligning.

    Obama needs to be ready with gentle ridicule.

    I think that's sort of what he's been doing (none / 0) (#30)
    by illissius on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:56:54 AM EST
    though obviously not as forcefully as Kennedy in this clip.

    "This feels good. It's just like I imagined it when I was talking to my Kindergarten teacher."

    "I find the manner in which they've been running their campaign sort of depressing, lately. It was interesting in the debate, Sen. Clinton saying 'Don't feed the American people false hopes. Get a reality check, you know?' I mean, you can picture JFK saying, 'We can't go to the moon, it's a false hope. Let's get a reality check.' It's not, sort of, I think, what our tradition has been."

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    I think (none / 0) (#31)
    by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 10:28:46 AM EST
    both things you quoted were right -

    Obama's quip is wonderful.  Very witty.  He is probably going to have a lot more like that - he is adept at sarcasm...it is very effective.

     and

    Clinton's comment about false hope was accurate though Obama says it depresses him.  

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    JFK sounded like he was bellowing, to me. (none / 0) (#32)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 12:27:00 PM EST
    Is that a sexist comment? (Not serious)

    btw, was Nixon generally referred to as "Dick" back then? Or "Richard?" I was in grammar school back then, but my memory has always been "Richard"...

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