Men Yell "Iron My Shirt" at Hillary Campaign Stop

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:23:26 PM EST
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As the media continues tonight to claw Hillary Clinton -- it's just sickening to watch -- now there's this:

Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign stop was interrupted on Monday when two men stood in the crowd and began screaming, "Iron my shirt!" during one the New York senator's final appearances before New Hampshire voters cast primary ballots Tuesday.

Clinton, a former first lady running to become the nation's first female president, laughed at the seemingly sexist protest that suggested a woman's place is doing the laundry and not running the country.

"Ah, the remnants of sexism -- alive and well," Clinton said to applause in a school auditorium.

..."As I think has been abundantly demonstrated, I am also running to break through the highest and hardest glass ceiling," she said. Clinton later joked about the incident as she invited questions.

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I'll be the first to infer these guys were (none / 0) (#1)
by oculus on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:25:43 PM EST

plants by Clinton's campaign. Stay tuned. She is ruthless, ruthless, I tell you.

I assmume you are joking (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:27:57 PM EST

you should make that clear.


I am. I wanted to beat Aaron and jgarza. (5.00 / 3) (#3)
by oculus on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:31:09 PM EST

funny (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:39:26 PM EST

: I like this (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:44:19 PM EST

the reporter phillip Elliot says:
"Clinton, a former first lady running to become the nation's first female president, laughed at the SEEMINGLY sexist protest..."
Seemingly.
gee guy - how else was it meant.

This is just sad.. (none / 0) (#4)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:37:55 PM EST

What female Obama supporters are content to put up with is just amazing. Do women really think this will all go away after Hillary is gone?
I fully expect anguished women all over the TV asking "how did this happen"?..forgeting that many of them took part, with glee..in order to defeat Hillary.

So If a woman doesn't support Hillary (none / 0) (#6)
by SFHawkguy on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:43:18 PM EST

she is supporting sexism? And you deign to correct these misguided women? Give me a break.

You're trying to link a sexist jerk with Obama. Nice try but totally unfair. That's just as unfair as suggesting that these protesters were Hillary plants.

If these protesters are sincere I bet they vote Republican, not for Obama.


Bizarre (none / 0) (#8)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:45:06 PM EST

Why would you assume those were Obama supporters instead of Republican neanderthals?


any reason in particular (none / 0) (#9)
by taylormattd on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:46:51 PM EST

you feel the need to slam women who would support Obama? The story says nothing whatsoever that the two men supported him, and moreover, I don't understand why you would blame women who support Obama for something a couple of morons did.


joebasic (none / 0) (#11)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:53:27 PM EST

I have found it before that some women really do not believe in helping out other women.


please identify (none / 0) (#54)
by taylormattd on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:13:32 PM EST

these women who "do not believe in helping out other women".


how (none / 0) (#59)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:14:54 PM EST

would you like me to do that?


plus (none / 0) (#60)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:15:48 PM EST

you left out the word "some".

you are the one (none / 0) (#62)
by taylormattd on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:37:27 PM EST

who is claiming, based on this post, that some women "do not believe in helping out other women".

Given this is your claim, I'd like to know who you are talking about.

Is there something in this post that would make you claim that some women "do not believe in helping out other women"?


I am saying - - (none / 0) (#63)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:52:56 PM EST

I am claiming that in my experience some women are not interested in helping other women. I am not the only woman, by far, to have made this observation in the big wide world.

But, in any case, you really cant debate this with me or me with you - it is my experience.
If you wish to you will be arguing with the air because it makes no sense to me to respond further. if you havent ever seen it then god bless, that's great.

But thank you for engaging thoughtfully and I wish you much enjoyment in your interactions with others who comments seem more acceptable to you and your experience.

Best -


I'm not disputing (none / 0) (#66)
by taylormattd on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 01:00:51 AM EST

your life experience. Your observation is undoubtably true.

I'm asking what it has to do with Jeralyn's post about the two male hecklers.

You brought the issue up in this post, so I was wondering what a post about two male hecklers has to do with your observation that some women "do not believe in helping out other women".


: that isnt (none / 0) (#69)
by Judith on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 12:05:21 PM EST

what you asked me.
This is a new question and I am delighted to tell you that I was responding to joebasic's post. That is what it has to do with.

: if you look a the post (none / 0) (#70)
by Judith on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 12:09:19 PM EST

it clearly says...
Joebasic:
and then the comment is made.
Joebasic and I continued therafter several other posts in this same vein.

well then..I stand corrected (none / 0) (#10)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:52:04 PM EST

let me edit that to read "females". I have seen too many women on lots of other boards attacking Hillary the same way..they all happen to support Obama.

I dont think (none / 0) (#12)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:55:23 PM EST

you said anything wrong. I didnt not understand you to mean that Obama's female supporters were responsible for this incident.

I read it as you were making a general observation - why werent his femal supporters saying something about her treatment in general.
I thought that is what you meant....

if you did mean what you were accused of then good for you for backing down,.


No..you got it right.. (none / 0) (#15)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:57:23 PM EST

but I did not mean to infer Obama supporters..and if it did that..thats what I wanted to clarify.


: you did NOT (none / 0) (#16)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:59:58 PM EST

imply that. You are fine.

Um (none / 0) (#13)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:56:25 PM EST

two men stood in the crowd and began screaming, "Iron my shirt!"

There's no "females" at all attacking her in this incident.


he didnt say they did (none / 0) (#14)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 07:57:08 PM EST

Of course he did (none / 0) (#18)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:00:31 PM EST

The whole point of his knee-jerk comment was to place blame on women for what two idiot men did.


: no it wasnt (none / 0) (#19)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:01:08 PM EST

He didn't say that (none / 0) (#21)
by RalphB on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:05:07 PM EST

women were yelling. I assume what he meant is that lots of women don't seem to care about this behavior, since it's happening to Sen Clinton. It seems to me those women tend to be younger and supporters of Obama. When you're young, empathy is hard to come by and you tend to not think bad things will happen to you.


Wow (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:16:19 PM EST

The downside of partisanship. People lose the ability to read the simplest of prose. There were no women applauding the hecklers or showing they didn't care in the referenced article. In fact completely the opposite. People applauded when they were hauled out by security.


you are the 1 (none / 0) (#30)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:19:20 PM EST

who cant read. But I applaud you in the attempt.


you are completely and utterly wrong (none / 0) (#55)
by taylormattd on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:17:55 PM EST

the women applauding were supporters of Hillary who were clapping when those two boorish men were removed:

"Can we turn the lights on? It's awfully dark," Clinton said, cueing the lights to come and police to come forward take the men away.
The overflow crowd burst into applause and some began shouting, "Iron my shirt" as the two were taken from the hall.

The crowd was applauding the men being removed and started jeering the men as they were leaving.


: oye (none / 0) (#57)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:25:15 PM EST

this whole thread was about the attempt to mischaracterize the origanal poster's intent. Sure goes in crop circles from there.

kindly put (none / 0) (#23)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:09:14 PM EST

if indeed it were only young women who didnt care to get involved if another woman gets toasted. Hey, Dowd is supposedly a woman and she often leads the way.


Oh, I see (none / 0) (#17)
by SFHawkguy on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:00:18 PM EST

If a female disagrees with Hillary she is sexist. As if women are required to support female candidates.

Then I'm sure you also counsel your black friends that if they disagree with Obama they are encouraging racism.


nope (none / 0) (#20)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:01:27 PM EST

not what I sadi nor what he said.


You and him are clearly (none / 0) (#25)
by SFHawkguy on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:11:49 PM EST

playing the sexist card.

Why bring up Obama at all? Why comment that women, younger women, just aren't sticking up for women because Hillary isn't winning like you want?

The original comment (as well as the amendment) implied that women who do not support Hillary are countenancing sexist attacks on her. You both further suggest that women who don't vote for Hillary just don't understand sexism and are fostering sexism.

Look, I understand politics. I just don't think you're going to convince your fellow Democratic voters with this demagoguery.


: nope (none / 0) (#26)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:15:03 PM EST

you are.

Lets see if you can follow..I'll keep it simple (none / 0) (#22)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:08:08 PM EST

the point here is that the media narrative is what is enabling this sort of thing. Why more women are not questioning the media coverage is what is disturbing. I saw Tom Brokaw..supposedly an unbiased reporter..on MSNBC today..questioning Hillarys sincerity when she got teary eyed.
Mainstream media is going on and on regarding Hillarys "cackle". Chris Matthews goes on and on, saying things like "men won't vote for Hillary because she sounds too much like their nagging wives". and Clinton "smothering Obama in his crib".
These are just a few.
I know an awful lot of woman who are offended by this type of coverage.
The actions of these two moronic men, while not carried out by women, are certainly symptomatic of the media narrative that some females appear to be content to sit back and watch. (as long as the right candidate wins).
Thats my point. If you can't get it..I can't help ya.

I don't mean to jump on you (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:27:23 PM EST

for what was evidently just a poorly thought out comment, but there are underpinnings to what you said. For instance:

Why bring women alone into it?

Why not place the responsibility on men as well? Are you trying to turn Hillary into some kind of token "woman" candidate? I don't accept that.

The cynical partisan use of this incident in this way - trying to gin up the "offended female" vote - is detrimental to women's interests in a longer-term sense.


why bring women into it? (none / 0) (#37)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:30:44 PM EST

Cause uh..maybe I am reaching here...but she is woman and getting bashed for it?

Just guessing.


what part of what I said about the media narrative (none / 0) (#39)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:33:47 PM EST

that is being allowed to be created, did you not understand?
Women fighting years for equality..not upset that the mainstream media is criticizing the first female candidate for President, not on her policies, but on her emotional state, wardrobe, hair, voice, looks?
Really..you don't understand that?
Really?


The part of where you forgot to say (none / 0) (#41)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:42:58 PM EST

that ALL Democrats - progressives, liberals, women, and MEN - should fight against this kind of crap.

Making it just about women is a cynical ploy. Give it up, for women's sake.


as a woman (none / 0) (#43)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:51:36 PM EST

I disagree that he should give it up. I think his point was well taken.


As a woman (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:58:46 PM EST

I resent your short-sighted playing of the sexism card. It's as if you don't have confidence in Hillary being able to win on her own merits as the best candidate.


: as a woman (none / 0) (#50)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:05:17 PM EST

I suggest you work on your reading skills beause I never said that above.
But I am sure if you try just a tad to actually read what was written you will get it. Because I have faith in you.

Thanks (none / 0) (#46)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:56:27 PM EST

I will never "give up" the right to speak my mind..or is that the next thing to go..


: minds that are used (none / 0) (#53)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:09:31 PM EST

never go.

i am placing odds (none / 0) (#24)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:10:50 PM EST

you will still get an argument :-)

But I agree with you completely.


Thanks.. (none / 0) (#29)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:17:42 PM EST

there are those who DO not understand..
and those who WILL not understand.
All part of the process.


when that happens (none / 0) (#32)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:21:24 PM EST

I hear the music from "The Birds".


: the Hitchcock (none / 0) (#33)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:21:48 PM EST

movie

What you just wrote is reasonable (none / 0) (#28)
by SFHawkguy on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:17:16 PM EST

and I agree with it. But why then pollute it with the insinuation that Obama supporters are falling for this sexist narrative? Or are somehow responsible for it?

While the media has certainly been unfair to Hillary, it's unfair to almost every Democrat. Hillary also has a lot of advantages other candidates don't have.

Hillary is not losing the nomination because of sexism on the part of Democratic voters.


he did not say that (none / 0) (#31)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:20:30 PM EST

YOU said that.

This is kinda funny in a weird sorta way.


That seems to be the sad state of debate these day (none / 0) (#34)
by Joebasic on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:24:48 PM EST

here maybe (none / 0) (#36)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:29:41 PM EST

I had a terrific chat with an Obama supporter this afternoon - my age - my income - very similar in a lot of ways but in a very conservative midwest state. Rational person - understood my point of view. No yelling, no weirdness, just a heslthy exchange of views.

refreshing.


Please spare me the martyrdom act (none / 0) (#38)
by SFHawkguy on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:33:21 PM EST

I have no trouble understanding what you two are trying to do. You're not as subtle as you think. This post was about two jerks heckling Hillary. You then brought up Obama supporters and played the sexism card by implying that women are somehow hurting their own cause. You're trying to guilt women into supporting Hillary.


: Bingo (none / 0) (#40)
by Alien Abductee on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:36:27 PM EST

And to the detriment of women in politics generally.
It's disgusting and cynical.

: I love your posts (none / 0) (#42)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:43:28 PM EST

more please. You are most imaginative.

Plus For Clinton (none / 0) (#44)
by squeaky on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:51:40 PM EST

when two men stood in the crowd and began screaming, "Iron my shirt!"

It is a good advertisement for her. Many will vote for her because of men like these.

why (none / 0) (#45)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 08:53:24 PM EST

do you say that? I dont see that at all.
I would like to understand why you think so...please?


Because Many Americans (none / 0) (#49)
by squeaky on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:04:48 PM EST

Are sick of that kind of sexist cr^p.


yes (none / 0) (#51)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:06:18 PM EST

I strongly believe it will backfire hard - but not necessarily mean she will get votes for it.


Why Not? (none / 0) (#56)
by squeaky on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:20:30 PM EST

All things being basically equal.


I dont think (none / 0) (#61)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 11:18:18 PM EST

it wopuld change someone's mind if they were planning on voting elsewhere unless it was a their specific candidate who did it.


Sqweaky (none / 0) (#65)
by Judith on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 12:36:39 AM EST

check our Glorai Steinem in the NY Times op-ed section.

Kickass stuff. I LOVED it.

I was hoping for a woman who knew her stuff to come out and take a stand. Eloquent and it will be read and it will matter way beyond the election.

God bless you for your courage, Gloria!!!!


: Right On The Money (none / 0) (#67)
by squeaky on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 01:09:57 AM EST

Good one. Well worth a read.

or (none / 0) (#52)
by Judith on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:07:22 PM EST

sure, I'll make it your warmie one honey so you are toasty back in your cave.

Jeralyn, from your link: (none / 0) (#58)
by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 07, 2008 at 09:54:06 PM EST

Clinton placed a disappointing second place in Iowa's caucuses last week...

Whuh?!

This primary, and the reporting of it, is getting to weird for words.

fwiw, another source has it:

Of note: the sign, which is intended as a jab to women, is not original.
Back in 2003, when protesters picketed the Augusta National Golf Club, the famous men-only home of the Masters tournament, counter-protesters held up signs which read: "Iron My Shirt" and "Make My Dinner."

Until today I was a hardened Clinton critic (none / 0) (#64)
by CanyonWren on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 12:26:26 AM EST

But the debate on Saturday and Clinton's recent comments demonstrating that she gets the gravitas of our current state, and wants to "reverse it" changed that. I saw determination and heart in her response to Edwards' "status quo" comment, and the backbone to stand up to men ganging up on her. I'm quite sure that men's sexist comments are pure chortle-fodder over cocktails. She's a woman and has experienced this before.

Full disclosure: I'm an Edwards supporter, but will be fine with a Hillary nomination. Obama as the nominee worries me because of his platform of "cooperation." I'm hoping this is just a theme and not how he would handle the GOP, or he'll be the bug on a windshield.

: as near as i can tell, that (none / 0) (#68)
by cpinva on Tue Jan 08, 2008 at 09:52:49 AM EST

is his theme. he's already a bug on the windshield, the repubs will eat him for a light-weight snack.

I'm hoping this is just a theme and not how he would handle the GOP, or he'll be the bug on a windshield.

his constant blathering about "bi-partisanship" and "cooperation" is music to the GOP's ears. he'll be political toast within his first year in office, should he be nominated and elected. the sad part is, with all his assets, he won't have a clue.