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A Kind Word For John Edwards

I believe John Edwards blew it in New Hampshire by not running hard for his theory of change, instead choosing to align himself with Barack Obama's unity campaign against Hillary Clinton.

But let's be clear, in the battle for theory of change, John Edwards' theory is about to emerge triumphant. Obama and Clinton will be Fighting Dems for the duration.

That is why this type of inside baseball analysis of the fates of Mark Penn and Company really misses the boat. Whether Penn gets canned or not is not the point - his triangulation tactics, and I believe the unity tactics of David Axelrod, will now be in the political dustbin. That is what matters here, not whether these overhyped consultants continue to draw paychecks from the Clinton and Obama campaign.

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    Well, it seems that's a first from you, BTD, but (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by scribe on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:33:11 AM EST
    we'll take it.  I gotta disagree with you here, though.  You say:

    But let's be clear, in the battle for theory of change, John Edwards' theory is about to emerge triumphant. Obama and Clinton will be Fighting Dems for the duration.

    That is why this type of inside baseball analysis of the fates of Mark Penn and Company really misses the boat. Whether Penn gets canned or not is not the point - his triangulation tactics, and I believe the unity tactics of David Axelrod, will now be in the political dustbin. That is what matters here, not whether these overhyped consultants continue to draw paychecks from the Clinton and Obama campaigns.

    You've got a couple fundamental errors in your analysis.  
    1.  All over the media today is the meme (from analysis of the numbers, they say), that HRC won on the votes of those who said "experience" was their #1 issue determining their vote.  MSNBC is saying she beat ("Trounced") Obama on that issue 71-5.  Accepting those numbers as accurate, one could (and the Penns of this world will, surely) argue that the election wasn't really about "change", but rather was about "experience" and using that experience to guide us forward.  In that context, "change" becomes superfluous to how governance takes place - the winner could continue on the same course as exists now, using their "experience" to manage things better.
    The "experience" candidacy facilitates what the Establishment (Dems and others) really want from (Clinton or) anyone in the WH - consolidation of the corporate gains effected through the radicalism of the Bush/Cheney regime.  HRC has alaways, IMHO, been the candidate of corporate consolidationism, and has the Establishment (e.g., superdelegate and machine) support to pull off that candidacy with success.  

    1.  HRC and Obama moving their emphasis from being whatever it was they were prior to getting the message from Iowa that they needed to embrace being an agent of "change", to being "change" candidates, is merely a triangulation from Right, toward Progressive/Left.  In morphing into "Change" candidates, they move a bit toward where Edwards has pulled them, until such time as they, and their friends in the media, can assimilate (Blob-like) Edwards' supporters, after which they can go back to tending to the interests of their corporate masters.  Viewed this way, the triangulation skills of Penn et als, become even more vital, because it's the activist Dem base they have to win over.  No dustbin for those skills.

    2.  Leopards don't change their spots.  That applies to everyone - Penn, HRC, Obama - and it applies here.

    3.  The only way "change" remains relevant in this race is if Edwards stays in.  The minute he drops out, the other two leading candidates will slither back to whence they came.  After all, following the logic of Reid, Pelosi, DiFi et als., where else does the Left have to go, but the Democratic party?


    experience (none / 0) (#38)
    by andreww on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:46:15 PM EST
    It's true Hillary trounced Obama in this category, but it is important to note that only 19% of the people polled said that was their most important issue.  Saying 71% who favored change backed Hillary without the overall context skews that actual desire for "change" vs. experience.  

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    Hey Dude (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:36:17 AM EST
    Thanks for a kind spot written about the candidate that I'm sort of thinking I hope gets somewhere in this race.  Thank you for all your writings about bloggers and political activists sticking with issues as well and making this race about the issues.  Hillary isn't my chosen one, but the bashing got just flat stupid if not abusive even and the great state of Live Free Or Die seemed to have had enough of that bull yesterday.

    Hey, Dudess, (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:54:39 AM EST
    Welcome back.

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    I had to rest my neurons for awhile (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:09:34 AM EST
    in some dharma, you guys tend to make them tired  ;)

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    So, DK doesn't make your (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:11:00 AM EST
    neurons tired?  

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    Right now? (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:16:51 AM EST
    Trying to read the rec list causes zzzzzzzzzzzz.  Hillary Bad zzzzzz.......I Luv John Who (in which you will find blurbs of me talking in my sleep) zzzzzz......Obama on the Highest zzzzzz......zzzz blah blah zzzz blah blah zzzz.  Oh Yeah and Kos is a loser and wrong.....WRONG I TELL YOU, WRONG! There is a Sibel Edmonds diary up though right now, maybe I should make some coffee.

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    I have keep checking in case Bob (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:18:52 AM EST
    Johnson checks in on Hillary Clinton's win in NH.  

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    Dear God, I've been so sound asleep (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:23:42 AM EST
    meditating on my navel here that I forgot about what lies in store for us all at the Orange Satan when Master Bob gets a hold of us.  Did he do an Obama Won Iowa and Now All of Your Brains are on the Walls diary?  Did anyone other than Bob survive it if so?

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    He did a serious anybody but Hillary Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:31:54 AM EST
    one, which surprised me because (1) it was serious and (2) his rating system for anybody but Hillary Clinton diaaries was so funny.

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    I Love It (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:37:15 AM EST
    I just love the primaries.  Have never experienced them before in this fashion.  Now I must go find the diary you speak of and the coffee is on ;)

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    Just checked DK: no diary by Bob Johnson (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 04:40:24 PM EST
    today.  He must be stunned into silence.

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    Looking back through old (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:35:36 AM EST
    comments and see flyer01 still wants to ask me a question about flying?  Just ask it here.  We are surrounded by lawyers, everything will be fine ;)  I'm finally beginning to be wary of giving my email address out since some evil winger tried to email me a really nasty virus.  They're evil I tell you, just evil.  Nice try though special forces fan winger.

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    wow (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:57:02 AM EST
    what a great photo - the little one holding the baby has the sweetest expression.

    Thank you for posting that.

    He's an Uncle, he's so proud ;) (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:59:15 AM EST
    yes (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:02:31 PM EST
    he did have that beam. That little girl is lucky - she will have him to look out for her.

    too sweet!!!

    it is easy in the heat of the moment to forget that this really is about making our country better...we cant leave tis mess to these little ones.  it would be so unfair of us to weasel out for doing wgat we can.

    thanks again - you have your priorities straight.

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    awww (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:00:59 PM EST
    What a sweetie. I'm glad everything went well.  Josh looks so awed with her.  Congratulations to you and the whole family.

    I get older every day MaryB (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:17:29 PM EST
    and realize more and more that it matters what resources are denied us. It also matters what resources are granted to us that don't require a fight and what we do with those.  It has been a trying time for our daughter but she is doing so well now it is hard to remember how hard things were last year.

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    HRC more populist now? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:16:52 AM EST
    Is it me or was HRC's speech more populist last night?

    Her new change slogan sort of reminds me of "reformer with a record"- OUCH!

    Not your imagination (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Maryb2004 on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:29:14 AM EST
    it was there.  Just like Obama starting throwing in some populism in his victory speech in Iowa.

    Some people will question whether this makes them sincere.  I don't think sincerity matters as much as others partly because of the limits of what can be done once they win.  But if you talk populism and you win and then you don't follow through, then the electorate can hold you to a standard and when your popularity starts dropping there is a media narrative for why.  It helps keep them honest.

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    I absolutely heard echoes (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:21:16 AM EST
    of Gore 2000.

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    me too (none / 0) (#3)
    by Molly Bloom on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 10:23:44 AM EST
    What matters... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Dadler on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:28:37 AM EST
    ...is candidates still revere and consider vital these handlers and spinners and snake oil salespeople (no sexism here, thank you, ahem).

    For example, how hard is it for any of these Dem candidates, on their own, without the aid of limosine consultants, to understand that when the next president takes office they have, and the American people are desperate for it, an opportunity to say something like "Our last president won two elections which will go down in history as likely fraudulent, and that president lied and manipulated and lied some more and played off the fears of a nation to get us into a disastrous war of aggression which has solved NONE of the problems it was supposed to.  It was a presidency of secrecy and jailing without charges and vetos for child health care, and veteran's hospitals in disgraceful condition, and on and on.  Congress and the American people made mistakes, as well, during that post 9/11 period of trauma and anxiety, some mistakes that could be perceived as inexcusable in a democracy.  We all made mistakes, my fellow Americans, we are all responsible, and it is time to correct those mistakes."

    Bush is SUCH a joke, easily the worst president in history, and none of these Dem candidates seem to understand what that means for their campaigns and message.  They seem not to understand the bully pulpit it already gives them, much less the size of the one they will have when they are in office.  

    well... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:37:59 AM EST
    it is not yet a general election so Bush bashing seems unnecessary.  Dems are trying to pick from a Dem pool.

    Also, hey - limosine consultants are necessary when dealing with the complexities of running an election in this country.  I mean you no illwill when I say I think it is naive to think they can just get up there and speak their mind without thought of how it will play.

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    When is stupidity a kind word? (none / 0) (#15)
    by Bob In Pacifica on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:33:21 AM EST
    This is stupid: I believe John Edwards blew it in New Hampshire by not running hard for his theory of change, instead choosing to align himself with Barack Obama's unity campaign against Hillary Clinton.

    There was no fundamental realignment. Clinton has always been the candidate of the Permanent Government and thus to the right of Edwards and Obama (though less so with the latter).

    Clinton lost the hand-counted votes to Obama. The votes on Diebold machines skewered to her and against ALL other Democratic candidates, a plus 4.6% to her, more than enough to explain her margin of victory. Since Clinton was the most conservative of the three, she should have gotten a higher percentage of absentee votes (generally reflected in hand-counted votes) than on election day. Just the opposite occurred here.

    Maybe the Clinton victory was all about change, the change of electronic votes.


    Rove did it. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:46:45 AM EST
    Can Obama demand a recount? Will he? (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:43:35 AM EST
    Will SCOTUS decide the '08 NH Dem. primary?

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    Ooookaaaaaayyyyy (none / 0) (#24)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:48:04 AM EST
    Ron Paul (none / 0) (#44)
    by eric on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:02:34 PM EST
    Aha!  This also explains the poor showing for Ron Paul.

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    Hmm? (none / 0) (#45)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:07:44 PM EST
    Edwards is to the left of Obama? Really? I still don't get how people come to this conclusion. He mandates on healthcare, yes, (although the whole plan isn't necessarily more progressive than Obama's) but several of his positions are to the right of Sen. Obama, from civil rights to crime to guns to immigration. His rhetoric isn't as partisan, but his record and his past comments are slightly more progressive than Edwards'.

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    my bad (none / 0) (#46)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:08:33 PM EST
    The last "his" was referring to Obama.

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    Must say I am having a lot of trouble (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:33:49 AM EST
    keeping up.  Last night Edwards was "toast" and Trippi was the evil puppeteer. Now, . . .  How account for this shift?  

    lotsa (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Judith on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:39:00 AM EST
    swircheroos going on everywhere...kinda amusing. I dont mean here - I mean the real world.

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    Edwards is still toast (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:47:08 AM EST
    and Trippi stinks.

    Nothing in this post contradicts that.

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    Ahh . . . (none / 0) (#27)
    by Randinho on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 11:56:16 AM EST
    I feel vindicated.

    I NEVER seek vindication on this board ;) (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:01:29 PM EST
    It only has a five minute life expectancy.

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    Please document your 5 min. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:17:22 PM EST
    of vindication here!

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    I don't personally have one (none / 0) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:21:30 PM EST
    I doubt I ever will.  I have no stomach for getting there.  But I know when to begin flinching when one seems to be occurring around here ;)

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    Do you? (none / 0) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:10:28 PM EST
    I think you were exposed as wrong.

    It seems you never did understand that other post.

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    I understood (none / 0) (#39)
    by Randinho on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:59:34 PM EST
    I just disagree. Even if Edwards realizes he may not win, he can still impact the platform. Staying in and keeping discussion on the issues is important.

    There's more to the conventions than coronating a winner and picking the veep. There's also the platform.

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    No you still do not understand (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    Even now your comments are nonsequitors.

    Influence over the platform is why Edwards ABANDONED his message in New Hampshire by aligning with Obama is your answer?

    Come now.

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    I might add (none / 0) (#40)
    by Randinho on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:01:11 PM EST
    That my larger point had to do with Edwards and his ideas, which IMHO are far more concrete and progressive than either Hillary or Obama.

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    Your larger point? (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:04:48 PM EST
    Well that may be but you misunderstood MY post

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    What Matters (none / 0) (#43)
    by Randinho on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 01:10:37 PM EST
    By the way is the delegate count:

    Clinton's popular-vote margin over Obama was razor-thin - fewer than 8,000 votes, or 3%, with 96% of precincts reporting. As a result, each will come away from New Hampshire with the pledges of 9 delegates. John Edwards, finishing in a distant third place, will take the remaining 4. A look at the national scorecard finds Obama barely in the lead with 25 delegates to Clinton's 24.

    There's more. The real winner in New Hampshire can't be declared until you factor in superdelegates. These are party leaders who are allowed to vote at the convention, but may make their own choices at any time, and without regard to the popular vote results. New Hampshire has 8 superdelegates; of these, 2 have declared their support for Clinton, 3 for Obama, and 3 are undeclared. When all of the declared superdelegates in the nation are tallied, Clinton roars into the lead with 183 total delegates to Obama's 78.

    With 2,025 delegates needed for a win, however, both candidates are a long way from locking up the nomination.

    February 5 will be the make or break moment.

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    Edwards tasks (none / 0) (#34)
    by koshembos on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 12:14:17 PM EST
    Again, I agree with Big Tent. I find it difficult to foresee the changes in Hillary's and Obama's campaigns with such will happen. From perspective, Obama will get strong if he drops the nonsense about hope and instead of as an abstract noun will use a specific change that doesn't include sleeping with the enemy.

    Edwards has to retool. He has to widen his appeal by expanding the topics he covers and be way more specific about almost everything. Last and not least, while both Hillary's and Obama's campaigns are run by professionals, Edwards gave the shop away to amateurs. This must stop.

    That's funny. (none / 0) (#47)
    by BlueLakeMichigan on Wed Jan 09, 2008 at 03:16:53 PM EST
    I thought Edwards had pros, too. You think Joe Trippi is a novice, for instance? Come on.

    And hope is silly hyperbole, eh? Obama has been specific on numerous occasions, from foreign policy to healthcare to Social Security to the very way we go about making policy, but I guess we seem to have a short memory around here. Ah, and to the "sleeping with the enemy" part, I ask you, if we get the enemy's voters to agree with us on the issues AND we take that to them with a strong progressive message, wouldn't they have to come to our side of the aisle lest they risk a political ass-kicking?

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