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Why The Red Sox Losing Is A Good Thing

Remember the last Presidential election year the Red Sox won the pennant? Dems lost. It is a real shame the Yanks lost. The last 2 times the Yanks won the Dems won the Presidential election (course the Supremes stole it from Gore in 2000.) And in 1932, the Yanks swept the Cubs. Another interesting factoid - when the Florida Gators win the national championship (1996 and 2006), the Dems win the election. Rooting for the Yanks and the Gators SHOULD be a Dem tradition.

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    Go Phillies! (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:42:28 PM EST


    Amen (none / 0) (#17)
    by Peter G on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:54:56 PM EST
    from the rest of the TalkLeft Philadelphia crew

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    Philly dominates the leftosphere (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:58:55 PM EST
    Battle of the swing states (none / 0) (#27)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:04:59 PM EST
    All good Dems should support Philly - a Dem stronghold over Tampa - which according to CNN picked Bush in 2004.

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    I'll tell you what's interesting (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:06:45 PM EST
    You find Steelers fans EVERYWHERE. Has something to do with the fact that Pittsburgh has depopulated over the last 50 years.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:09:03 PM EST
    And I gotta say, beeing a Steelers fan seems to stick.  A lot of my friends from college were from out of state and are now gone from Pittsburgh and are huge Steelers fans (not me - too animosity btwn them and the Pats).

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    I think because.... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:36:31 AM EST
    of their dominant teams in the late 70's they have a lot of support nationwide...quite a few Steeler fans in NY actually.

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    Most of those "out of state" friends (none / 0) (#54)
    by CST on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:55:52 AM EST
    Are NYers.

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    Didn't the 1980 Phillies (none / 0) (#32)
    by Left of center on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:17:40 PM EST
    win the world series just a few weeks before Reagan defeated Carter? That could be an ugly omen.

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    Hell, I dunno or care really (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:19:28 PM EST
    But I gotta support the Phils. And it'll be fun battling with the florida people here.

    I can't wait to see how the candidates dance around two sing states playing one-another.

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    Uh-oh. Is it wrong (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by mg7505 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 10:15:10 AM EST
    for a liberal Democrat who has no ties to either team to root for the Rays? Elections aside, I think their victory would be good for baseball -- it would bring forth a new generation of stars, legitimize the expansion teams of the 90s, and open up a whole new market.

    Either way, the more attention that Pennsylvania and Florida get, the better.

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    It's Un-American.... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:38:38 AM EST
    to root for the Phillies unless you're a Philly fan or from Philadelphia.

    IOW, rooting for the underdog is the American way.  Go Rays!!!

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    Fun to watch the Rays. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:42:11 AM EST
    The rookie pitcher was on the bottom of the victory pile and lived to give an interview.  Maddon hugged every guy he saw--mucho male-bonding.  But, who exactly is the underdog in a Tampa Bay, Phillies match-up?

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    I say Tampa.... (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:46:59 AM EST
    first time in the playoffs, first time in the Series, perennial also-ran since their inception.

    Though I guess the Phillies have an argument too...worst team in baseball history and all.  

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    I can't believe (none / 0) (#56)
    by lilburro on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 12:44:58 PM EST
    the Phillies AREN'T the underdogs.  They have sucked for a million years.  Or at least it feels like a million years.  This is only their second trip to the playoffs in 15 years I think!

    I say, boo to expansion teams!

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    I hope to hell. . . (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by LarryInNYC on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:43:36 PM EST
    we're not going to accept only winning the Presidency when the Gators win a championship!

    The Yankees, on the other hand, wouldn't be so bad. . .

    On the good polling news front (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:44:01 PM EST
    See? (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:46:58 PM EST
    The good stuff starts already.

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    SUSA was being stubborn about MN (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:47:33 PM EST
    so I'm glad they're joining the party.

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    In the meantime (none / 0) (#35)
    by cal1942 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:23:51 PM EST
    Most recent Florida poll AFTER the 10/15 debate has McCain up by 2 after the prior 4 polls had Obama leading by an average of 4.5.  

    Most recent Ohio poll conducted AFTER the 10/15 debate has McCain up by 1.

    Both polls AFTER McCain looked like an about to explode, blithering idiot.

    And as if Joe the Plumber wasn't enough, Palin has Ed the Dairyman. They must think that Joe gave them a push. This has got to be a spinoff of Phil Gramm's Donnie what's-his-name. This is too damn familiar and it just may be working.

    I think I may just vomit.

    Can't Democrats promote a live person example?

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    Florida always disappoints (none / 0) (#37)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:27:23 PM EST
    It's infuriating.

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    Yeah, it always rips my heart out. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by zvs888 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 12:25:42 AM EST
    This is my third time voting in Florida.

    Watching Gore lose it to Bush was bad enough; then watching my vote get swamped as Bush won and Martinez rode into the Senate on his coattails was infuriating.  It's going to be extremely annoying if Florida goes Republican once again, but I'd gladly take losing us if Virginia or Colorado falls blue.

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    If it is necessary to tie (5.00 / 6) (#8)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:47:37 PM EST
    the fate of the Democratic Party to the fate of the Yankees I'm leaving the party.

    Well (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:48:14 PM EST
    The Common Good demands it. Don't be selfish.

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    BTW (none / 0) (#11)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:48:57 PM EST
    The Yanks won in 1936 too.

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    They didn't really need to (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:58:06 PM EST
    sweep the Pads in '98.  Overkill.

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    Yanks (none / 0) (#25)
    by cal1942 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:59:51 PM EST
    won in '52 and '56 both landslide wins for Eisenhower. The worst was 1952 when Republicans won the White House and both houses of Congress.

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    Well (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:21:56 PM EST
    They won every year then.

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    Last time the Rays made it to the World Series (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by AF on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 09:31:45 AM EST
    An African American was elected president.

    lol, don't get me in trouble at work. I'm not (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 10:04:12 AM EST
    supposed to be reading TL right now! I did laugh at that and I'm sure any co-workers who heard me think I'm nuts now.

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    The Yankees.... (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:40:42 AM EST
    are the GOP of baseball....rich and conservative.

    No self-respecting left-leaning person can root for them...it's like rooting for Halliburton.

    This means nothing (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by ctrenta on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 11:58:53 AM EST

    These are all coincidental observations that has nothing to do with why the Red Sox lost. Injuries plagued the Sox this season. The bats went silent. Tito Francona made a bad decision in game 2 to let Mike Timlin pitch mop up duty. There are several other factors too but the series could've gone either way. This time it went to the Devil Rays.

    But seriously, whether Red Sox win or lose the World Series has nothing to do with the 2008 election results. Sounds rather Wade Boggs-ian to me.

    HA (none / 0) (#5)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:44:16 PM EST
    I have had long discussions in my household about why this is complete bull.  The only correlation was Kerry was from MA.  So this year, it only makes sense to root against the Cubs and White Sox.  The red sox have no horse in this race and therefore could've won without angering the karma gods.

    Rooting for the Yankees should be against the law.

    Heh (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:47:38 PM EST
    Tell the truth - it is bad for the country when the Sox win.

    They should have stayed like the Cubs.

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    What about 1918? (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:52:42 PM EST
    The red sox won and we won WW1.

    Have the yankees ever won a world war???

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    The Big One - WWII (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:53:18 PM EST
    To be clear (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:54:00 PM EST
    The last real World Series during WWII was 1942.

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    I was gonna say.... (none / 0) (#18)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:55:56 PM EST
    And 3 years early doesn't win a war.  I will also note that they won in 1936 - 1939 - effectively starting a World War.

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    Welll (none / 0) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:57:02 PM EST
    If you are into scapegoating . . .

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    um (none / 0) (#21)
    by Maryb2004 on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:57:29 PM EST
    how did the YANKEES win WWII?  

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    Red Sox fans are sad tonight (none / 0) (#28)
    by noholib on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:05:11 PM EST
    Well, I beg to differ.  And please, no gloating!

    When the Red Sox won in 2004, I really believed that anything was possible -- even that the Dems would send GWB back to Texas.
    What that election showed absolutely is that there is no connection between the baseball gods and the election gods.  

    That the Red Sox lost tonight only means that they had no spark and that Red Sox fans in New England and throughout Red Sox Nation are sad and disappointed. I assure you that it means nothing about the election.

    And please do not be so foolish as to think that Democratic victories now depend on Red Sox losses.  That would be absolutely unfair on a cosmic level.  

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    Tampa Bay Nation? (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by CST on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:27:46 PM EST
    You mean Fenway deep South?  (Fenway south is in Baltimore)

    Red sox nation will never be vanquished!  We went 86 years without a world series, we'll survive this one just fine.

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    Let's root for the rookie. (none / 0) (#13)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:49:53 PM EST
    Tampa Bay's Price not only saved the game, he already knows how to talk "pitcher" talk.  

    Man, those Rays owners look (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:57:22 PM EST
    really young.

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    They are. (none / 0) (#41)
    by steviez314 on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 06:19:36 AM EST
    I know one of them--Stu Sternberg.  He retired from Goldman Sachs about 6 years ago, age 42.  

    Left with enough money to buy the Rays, I guess :)

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    Brilliant guy. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 10:45:09 AM EST
    Who me, root for the Yanks?! (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 10:58:16 PM EST
    Heh, not a problem!! And will continue after I switch coasts  ;)

    Gators another story. Never got into college FB. My school didn't have a team. Bunch a damn artists  ;) We did go to '9er games though!

    I could never, ever root for the Yankees. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:03:52 PM EST
    Such bullies.  But, since Michigan can't even beat Toledo this year, I'm o.k. with the Gators--but just for this season.

    you missed some good quotes from it (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Oct 19, 2008 at 11:41:01 PM EST
    In recent weeks, as economic conditions have worsened, the main thrust of McCain's campaign has been to attack Obama with murky assertions over his ties to controversial figures or scandal-plagued political groups, a tactic that smacks of desperation.

    His selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as running mate, a move intended to energize the ticket and galvanize the Republican party, has rallied some supporters, but left others, including some in his own party, wondering whether McCain had put politics ahead of prudence.

    and

    Obama's greatest strength could be the promise he holds of restoring American credibility on the world stage. Obama is a natural diplomat. He puts people at ease rather than on the defensive. He knows how to incorporate the views of others while hewing to what he knows to be right: democracy, free trade, action on global warming and prudent deployment of military resources.


    supercapitalism (none / 0) (#42)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:23:53 AM EST
    by Reich, read it yesterday. If you get a chance pick it up, it is a fascinating read.  We are running a 1950's economy in the 21st century and he makes  a compelling argument for deep changes.  Including barring any campaign contributions from "bundlers" which of course is the skirt around for corporation giving to candidates. He also discusses at length lobbying and the consequences of supercapitalism or as I have called in on this very blog "capitocracy".

    If you cannot afford it, I would be willing to send my copy to the first raised hand.  jlvngstn@yahoo.com

    We hold these truths to be self-evident. . . (none / 0) (#43)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 08:36:41 AM EST
    Why The Red Sox Losing Is A Good Thing

    No further logical argument is required.

    stimulus (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 10:06:55 AM EST
    Bernanke now saying stimulus is a good idea and probably necessary.  Are these people are leaders?  Are they capable of forecasting trouble or are their abilities strictly confined to announcing rescues after the problem has ballooned into a major problem?

    Said in August, September and October and when they passed the first stimulus that they needed job creation stimulus not free money.  

    I will say it again, we need emergency legislation on job creation to the tune of 750 bn.  We need infrastructure, green and more green jobs.

    Every day that passes is a month in legislation time and a 3 months in cash hitting the street and 6 months before it takes hold and really helps.

    While 10 million americans are unemployed, and tens of thousands are facing it every week, the FED and our candidates are completely focused on talking points and the banking system which had an emergency bill passed already.

    We are a nation ruled by idiots that us idiots voted in.

    Obama on WS: (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 02:31:30 PM EST
    NYT

    red sox (none / 0) (#58)
    by disappointed on Mon Oct 20, 2008 at 07:45:22 PM EST
    BTD  I am really disappointed in you now. Almost everything you have written since Hillary was a candidate for President, I have agreed with. My moniker is "disappointed" because I could not believe the treatment she received from the Democratic party, mainstream media,& so-called progressive blogs i.e. Daily Kos, Josh Marshall, Huffington etc.     However, I am a Red Sox fan who lives in NY and have been subjected to abuse for years until 2004, and 2007. It surprises me that you do not seem to know that one of the biggest supporters of the Republican party is George Steinbrenner and his progeny.  Of all the major league teams in the 2004, the Red Sox owners were virtually alone in their contributions to the Democratic Party.