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Why Is McCain Angry? Because He Is Facing A Landslide Loss

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:43:51 PM EST
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New CNN/Opinion Research poll:

A new national poll suggests Barack Obama is widening his edge over John McCain in the race for the White House. The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Monday afternoon suggests that the country's financial crisis, record low approval ratings for President Bush, and a drop in the public's perception of Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin all appear to be contributing factors in Obama’s gains among voters.

Fifty-three percent of likely voters questioned in the poll say they are backing Obama for president, with 45 percent supporting McCain. That 8 point edge is double the 4 point margin Obama held in the last CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll, taken in mid-September.

(Emphasis supplied.) Erratic, angry and desperate. McCain is headed to a landslide loss.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    Yup, it's so, so, over (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:50:09 PM EST
    latest rumor is that McCain is pulling out of PA, and that he's already pulled his ads from DC TV (conceding NoVA).

    Can you smell the burnt toast?

    I'm thinking he doesn't really (none / 0) (#3)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:51:08 PM EST
    want the job anymore.  What a mess.

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    Oh, you can bet he still wants the job (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:52:46 PM EST
    So he'll be flailing around for the next few weeks.

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    Nobody ever pulls out of PA <eom> (none / 0) (#5)
    by votermom on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:59:04 PM EST


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    I know (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:59:43 PM EST
    I'm from there.

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    Linky poo? (none / 0) (#17)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:09:17 PM EST
    rumor is that McCain is pulling out of PA


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    I hear things (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:16:45 PM EST
    Just a rumor now.

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    From NY? Your connections (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:43:41 PM EST
    are as good as Palin's.  

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    In PA I know people who know things (none / 0) (#62)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 07:01:25 PM EST


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    Do such people even exist. . . (none / 0) (#65)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 08:33:36 PM EST
    in Pennsylvania?

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    No (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 08:36:00 PM EST
    PA is obviously populated by thoughtless monkeys.

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    My wife's from PA. . . (none / 0) (#67)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 08:52:43 PM EST
    and I spend about 25% of the my time there -- in case my snarkiness was not apparent (it's not snark if you have to use the snark tag).

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    So I'm not allowed to respond in kind? :-p (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:06:07 PM EST


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    Oh, beg pardon. (none / 0) (#70)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:16:47 PM EST
    My own snarkometer seems to be low on snarkon, I guess.

    I'm going to be a nervous wreck for the next week of the campaign.  I was locked in an office today with Fox News playing through McCain's speech and subsequent true-bleh Fox News bloviating.  I came very close to asking the guy how much a new TV would cost and putting my foot through it.

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    Fox News bleh (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:01:21 AM EST
    My husband flips there often, he says you have to keep up.  Last night they had a great story about this gambler who finds families in deep dept due to medical bills.  He gathers a few up and flies them to Vegas where they stay in a high roller suite and he goes gambling for their money.  He produced $38,000 for one family and $20,000 to a woman so they can pay off their existing medical bills.  My husband said that was nice.  I pointed to the television and said, "Look honey, it's the Republican Healthcare Plan!" which caused him to scowl at me and change the channel.

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    The polling news today was very good (none / 0) (#71)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:19:15 PM EST
    Almost too good, actually.

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    The polling today. . . (5.00 / 0) (#73)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:25:26 PM EST
    pretty much precedes the McCain campaigns decision to take the country down with them if they have to lose.  I don't expect to see the results of the "new campaign" reflected in the polls until Thursday or Friday.

    It could go either way -- hurting Obama or backfiring on McCain.  My heart tells me the second.  My head tells me the first.

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    I know what you mean (none / 0) (#75)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:33:42 PM EST
    My feeling is that McCain just doesn't really have much left to say about Obama.

    Is he going to feature Rev. Wright in all of his ads? Yeah, that's possible. It could even work.

    But to a certain degree it feels like McCain has missed the opportunity. I hope Obama has a good response for that, though.

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    Wright? (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:41:42 PM EST
    No, I think the McCain campaign is completely leaving any relationship to the real world behind.  They don't really care about Ayers -- Palin never mentioned him by name.

    The McCain campaign doesn't intend to claim Obama is soft on terrorism.  They intend to claim that he is a terrorist.  That he belonged to terrorist organizations, that he is a member or supporter of Hamas, that he supports Al Queda.

    They no longer require even a germ of truth for their charges.

    They've become dangerous and, because we can be pretty sure Obama is going to win, it's now become an effort to scorch the ground for his Presidency.

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    As stupid as I think Americans are, (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:44:16 PM EST
    I don't believe that they will--in the majority--accepts claims that Obama is a terrorist.

    I think that kind of belief will be limited to the sorts of people who think that Hillary Clinton murdered Vince Foster.

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    Doesn't take a majority. . . (none / 0) (#81)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 10:00:28 PM EST
    or even a large minority.  Six percent would do it.  And they don't have to believe Obama is a terrorist, just have their fears -- conscious or otherwise -- stoked sufficiently to make them "wonder".

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    Well, 6% of what? (none / 0) (#83)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 10:03:29 PM EST
    The people who now support Obama, presumably. He already seems to have his 51% in the bag.

    I think the outcome of this election is beyond McCain's control. He has to be praying for an Osama tape now.

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    If the final result. . . (none / 0) (#84)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 10:15:45 PM EST
    would be a eleven point election in favor of Obama, six percent would swing the election.

    Since, all joking aside, it's hard to imagine even that good a result it's probably fewer people they'd need to shake.

    The people coming to Obama now are late to the party and they could easily decide to leave early.  That's what negative campaigning in the last few weeks is about.

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    IMO, dues ex Osama or it's over for McCain (none / 0) (#85)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 10:19:16 PM EST


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    How do yall think this campaign (none / 0) (#78)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:47:15 PM EST
    will affect McCain's Senatoral standing? As you know, the Senate is more tight knit than other arms of government. That's why all these Dems keep calling McCain their friend but blasting Palin.

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    Too good indeed. SUSA is a good (none / 0) (#72)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:23:23 PM EST
    pollster, but 10 pts? Come on. Even though I admit I have never been to Virginia nor do I have any connections there.

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    SUSA gave today (none / 0) (#74)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:29:39 PM EST
    what I believe is the best possible Obama result. If the stars align, that's how much he'll win by.

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    I hope so. (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:59:24 PM EST
    I think we'll know by Wednesday or Thursday.

    The next few days are critical.  McCain is obviously willing to do or say literally anything about Obama to destroy him.  Will he get traction?  Or get rejected by the public?

    Plus, the debate on Tuesday will happen when the personal attacks between candidates are super hot.  Will it affect the performance of either of them?

    If he says "anything," it will become (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:01:42 PM EST
    media fodder. Remember Al Gore. (Yes, that ad sticks in my craw to this day).

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    Barring a vicious attack by terrorists or another (none / 0) (#61)
    by esmense on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 06:14:42 PM EST
    country he doesn't have a chance of getting "traction." And even in that case, I think it would only benefit him IF Obama responded in some appalling way that made it impossible to have confidence in him.

    This is over. There's nothing left to do but endure lots of petty, ugly behavior indulged in by partisans on both sides.

    .

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    I have to wonder (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by Steve M on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:11:57 PM EST
    what Jesse Helms would say.  Hee hee!

    Don't forget (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:18:41 PM EST
    A supplementary, but no less real, reason for McCain's rage.

    He is not only going down to a landslide loss, something that's happened before: ask Herbert Hoover, Alf Landon, Wendell Wilkie and Barry Goldwater - they continued to have careers and get respect despite getting trashed in their respective turns.

    He knows he will go down in history as having lost to the first African-American ever to hold the Presidency.  In many quarters of the Republican party - no matter what their manners make them say in public - their racism is deep-seated and really bent out of shape over this.  They will take that out on McCain, down through the generations.  There never will be a McCain Institute think-tank sponsoring wingnut studies, nor a book about McCain - Conscience of a Conservative, nor even one of his descendants being governor of Kansas.  Nope.  He and his massive ego will be nullified in Republican historiography like no Soviet era un-person ever was in theirs.  

    That his loss will likely be a landslide only makes it worse.

    Plus. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:24:19 PM EST
    He's crazy.

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    I don't know about that (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:35:23 PM EST
    but he is very stupid.

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    Stupid? (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Lou Grinzo on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 05:28:18 PM EST
    Or just blinded by ambition?

    I think it's more of the latter in McCain's case than stupidity, but as long as he loses, I don't really care what the underlying reason is.


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    What will McCain do (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by WS on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:34:06 PM EST
    if and when he loses?  Will he say F%$#%$# it and be a maverick that he says he is or will he try to futilely please conservatives who hates his guts?  I hope for the former.    

    And what of his Senate seat?  Will he stay or will he go?  If he goes, they've got lots of money so maybe he should open up a John McCain Institute of Mavericks or a philanthropic organization.  

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    The most glorious thing will be... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by prose on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:36:20 PM EST
    if Palin loses her Governorship in '10.  I will definitely be donating to her opponent.

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    I've seen posts (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:40:54 PM EST
    (Over at TPM, IIRC) which indicate Alaska Republicans are unhappy enough with her and the way the McSame campaign has tried to take over Alaska government that, if the Repugs lose, there's a very good chance she will be impeached and removed.

    That would be over the Troopergate scandal and the refusal to comply with the investigation after initially saying she and her admin would.  And that would be by an Alaskan Legislature which is about 2/3 Republican.

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    ah (none / 0) (#68)
    by connecticut yankee on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:01:36 PM EST
    good plan, Ill do that too.

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    Option #3 (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by Tom Hilton on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:41:09 PM EST
    Will he say F%$#%$# it and be a maverick that he says he is or will he try to futilely please conservatives who hates his guts?

    Neither.  He'll wage a personal vendetta against Obama by any and all means at his disposal--not out of conservatism or maverickiness, but out of pettiness.  (Just as personal pique nearly motivated him to switch parties after his loss to George Bush.)

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    George McGovern was just on (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:46:03 PM EST
    Wait Wait Don't Tell Me.  McCain shouldn't shoot himself just yet.

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    I just spent a couple of hours watching CNN (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:23:14 PM EST
    while I cut my dog's hair. I really think Obama and his campaign should just ignore the smearing going on. Every time they respond, what McCain and Palin are saying just gets repeated.

    When you are that far ahead, take the high road and leave them looking silly and desperate.

    Also, on the CNN poll, they said that people (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:27:38 PM EST
    feel more confident about the economy under Obama because he is surrounding himself with former Clinton advisers. Was that really part of the poll or just Wolf's opinion? I like it if it's true and I agree.

    After stating that, they showed Obama praising Bill. I think I'm going to go vote on the first day of early voting before someone says something to make me mad again!

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    I don't think the true goal of the (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:37:25 PM EST
    Keating video was to paint McCain as a evil man, though hopefully it will, it was to turn the Ayers discussion into a discussion of, "these are BOTH just gotcha statements," and thus tomorrow, they will be ignored and the Obama campaign can go back to talk about the Economy.

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    sam, I don't think the media will ignore (none / 0) (#44)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:41:22 PM EST
    anything at this point. In a blowout election, they need some drama. I like that Obama fights back in a way. I hope he fights for us as hard as he does himself. I would still just ignore them because they do look silly. It's not like people just heard about this stuff. In this economy, they don't care.

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    no the rolling stone article (none / 0) (#53)
    by Jlvngstn on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:48:18 PM EST
    took care of that.  One of the meanest articles i have ever read....

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    And apparently... (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by prose on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:34:58 PM EST
    the ads aren't working.  PPP  - Obama in NC by 6pts.

    You know it's bad (5.00 / 0) (#45)
    by CST on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:42:11 PM EST
    When admitted racists are willing to consider Obama.

    I have experienced this myself, people dropping n bombs - in reference to Obama, and then talking about how they are probably gonna vote for him anyway b/c it's that bad out there for repubs.

    You people are terrible. John McCain is a gentle (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by WillBFair on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:46:23 PM EST
    soul and don't you dare say one more word against him. Just because, like a typical repub, he showed contempt for the office by trying to sell the Vice Preidency with sex appeal, that's no reason fall on him like a pack of hyenas.  

    John McCain is the kindest, (5.00 / 0) (#57)
    by scribe on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 05:19:25 PM EST
    bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.


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    Watch for signs . . . (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Doc Rock on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 07:18:02 PM EST
    . . . of John-boy's temper to start coming out and look for a real tantrum if he loses.

    McCain Angry? (1.00 / 3) (#12)
    by pcheatham on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:04:50 PM EST
    McCain sounded more passionate (for him) than angry. Obama does skirt the issues and has surrounded himself with socialist radicals for which he stutters and stammers when it comes to explaining himself. If you want more info on Khalidi, google him. You won't beieve how in bed Obama was with this guy. The Jews should be shaking in their boots over this guy. Check out the facts.

    As far as Obama's record, McCain is accurate. Obama doesn't lay out plans, he talks in platitudes and changes his position on every issue. He makes huge mistakes. It's like this campaign fundraising. The GOP has requested an investigation into that.  We have to ask ourselves, if the economy is so bad, how has he raised $478,000,000 but then won't divulge his contributors. I smell foreign money, especially with his ties to certain figures.
    At least with Hillary, she had a record and we knew what we were getting. With John McCain we know what we're getting, too. At least he is moderate and not so conservative. I don't think for a second he will be too effective, but worry that Obama will knock the democrats out for years because of his liberal, socialist views. I am feeling very uncomfortable with him and believe he will be bad for this country in more ways than any of us can understand.  

    Sure (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by connecticut yankee on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:07:51 PM EST
    Yeah, everyone knows what John McCain offers.

    Thats why he's losing.

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    Woooo (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:08:29 PM EST


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    You Mecca me laugh! (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by desertswine on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:33:27 PM EST


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    Best (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by eric on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:36:58 PM EST
    first comment ever!

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    heh (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:05:51 PM EST


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    find a new site (none / 0) (#19)
    by progrocks on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:11:17 PM EST
    calling McCain a moderate shows you have no ability to further discussion here.

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    Didn't the magnitude of McGovern's (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:49:56 PM EST
    define the term "landslide"?

    Actually (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Steve M on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:11:07 PM EST
    presidential trivia moment for you, the biggest landslide in history was not Johnson's 61-39 victory over Goldwater, or even Nixon's 60-37 victory over McGovern, but Herbert Hoover's 61-34 victory over James Cox in 1920.

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    Warren Harding (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:12:26 PM EST


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    Harding would've won, too. . . (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:38:40 PM EST
    if he hadn't hired that kid to smack Hoover in the kneecap.  

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    My dogs just came running to see (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:43:22 PM EST
    what was going on I laughed out loud so hard (after I got it).

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    Teresa (none / 0) (#79)
    by MoveThatBus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 09:50:16 PM EST
    see me at the sisterhood.

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    Sorry (none / 0) (#24)
    by Steve M on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:17:41 PM EST
    You're right, of course.

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    But Wiki says Harding/Cox spread (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:28:36 PM EST
    was the largest since 1824, when such stats were first recorded.  Why not before that?

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    Centuries from now (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Steve M on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:31:18 PM EST
    our children's children's children's children to the nth power will ask if there really was no such thing as fivethirtyeight.com prior to the 2008 election.

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    Hah. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:32:32 PM EST


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    I think Washington won (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:33:31 PM EST
    100-0.

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    Didn't Ralph Nadar (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by KeysDan on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:41:08 PM EST
    grab a few points, although not enough to go down as the first spoiler?

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    Before 1824... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Tom Hilton on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:44:19 PM EST
    ...I don't think most states chose their electors by popular vote.  State legislatures picked the electors.  So you wouldn't have any popular vote totals to look at.  

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    Yup (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Tom Hilton on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:52:41 PM EST
    That's it:
    One of the reasons that most United States history textbooks don't start reporting the popular vote until the election of 1824 is because more than a quarter of all the states used legislative choice in all prior elections; there simply was no popular vote in those states.


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    Yeah but. . . (none / 0) (#22)
    by LarryInNYC on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:14:06 PM EST
    Herbert Hoover's 61-34 victory

    he's running again this year, and this time we'll get him!

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    Just released (none / 0) (#8)
    by magster on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 03:59:52 PM EST
    PPP: O + 6 in NC
    Democract Corps: O + 6 in OH

    Just finished entering (none / 0) (#9)
    by CoralGables on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:00:36 PM EST
    the Washington Post "Pick Your President Contest". Try as I might to keep it from an extensive landslide guess, my entry has Obama winning 354-184. The prize is a $500 gift card. Help your pocket and the economy too.

    If anyone is interested, it's HERE

    I wanted to go with 365 but figured I should stop drinking so much kool-aid.

    gee (none / 0) (#14)
    by connecticut yankee on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:06:48 PM EST
    PPP has Obama leading by 6 in North Carolina

    Obama 50
    McCain 44
    Barr   2

    Fricken amazing (none / 0) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Oct 07, 2008 at 08:04:35 AM EST
    Sort of tickles me.  What sane person doesn't enjoy watching the deep red beam some blue.

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    That would make me happy. (none / 0) (#56)
    by Teresa on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 04:57:44 PM EST
    I despise that man. Since we don't have a race in Tn (Lamar is running away with it), I'm rooting for my Ga and NC neighbors.

    Landslide? (none / 0) (#59)
    by patriotgames on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 05:49:47 PM EST
    Talk to me after Nov. 5th.

    Yah... (5.00 / 0) (#63)
    by phatpay on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 07:04:07 PM EST
    ummm... I wanna believe, I really do. But terms like voter fraud, disenfranchisement, etc. keep creeping into my brain.

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    And the Days Dwindle Down (none / 0) (#60)
    by john horse on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 05:59:35 PM EST
    to a precious few.  

    So much to do.  So little time.  And that darn economy.  How is McCain supposed to distract us from the important issues when every time he launches a mean, negative ad he is waysided by another drop in stocks or a dramatic increase in unemployment?  Its so unfair.

    Two problems (none / 0) (#86)
    by Llelldorin on Mon Oct 06, 2008 at 10:20:10 PM EST
    (1) Senator Clinton hit these issues hard. Despite all the hysterics about it during the primary, that's why we're winning now. When McCain tries to do the same thing, the general reaction isn't so much horror as, "what, again with the Ayers thing?"

    (2) As has already been mentioned, Democrats call it the Democratic Party of the United States, because that's its name. The whole "Democrat Party" thing is a Republican quirk.

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