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Obama Administration Jobs: Most Intrusive Application Ever

So you're thrilled that change is coming to Washington and want to be part of it. You're willing to give up your present job -- even take a cut in pay -- just to get a top level job with the Obama Administration.

You may want to think twice. The New York Times reports that Obama's 7 page questionnaire is the most extensive and intrusive ever. You can view the 63 question form here (pdf). How many did you get through before you said, "Okaaay, that's it for me?" and put it out of your mind? [More...]

Not you? Then here's the list of jobs available, from The Plum Book, published Wednesday by the GPO. Keep in mind, though, as the NY Times reports:

For those who clear all the hurdles, the reward could be the job they wanted. But first there will be more forms, for security and ethics clearances from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Office of Government Ethics.

If you're still game, go here to let Obama know and get on the list.

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    Apparently the form was developed (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Cream City on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:15:47 AM EST
    after the first Obama hire -- of his Chief of Staff:

    From your NYT link:

    Jobs with the mortgage-finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have served as lucrative incubators for Democratic and Republican administration officials. But those affiliations have become potentially toxic since the government seized both companies after years of financial irregularities that have stoked the economic crisis.  Not surprisingly, then, Question 18 of the Obama application asks whether "you, your spouse or any member of your immediate family" have been affiliated with Fannie, Freddie, American International Group, Washington Mutual and any other institution getting a government bailout.

    Will Rahm Emanuel make it from the White House-in-waiting in Chicago to the White House in Washington?  

    President-elect Barack Obama's newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot "red flags," according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com. . . . The entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention. . . ."



    Chirp Chirp - Crickets (none / 0) (#32)
    by Pepe on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 10:38:36 AM EST
    That is pretty significant regarding Rahm but yet not one post commenting on it's significance? I guess that says a lot about the O-bots. Blinders as usual.

    So if I take this properly Rahm is going to be able to skate around his active affiliation but some others may get tossed aside because of it. I say "some others" because if the culture of favoritism (see: George Bush) is at work for Rahm then it will probably be offered to others also. Favoritism is still alive and well in DC - some things never change. Did I say "Change"!?

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    Having worked for (none / 0) (#39)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:24:39 PM EST
     or taken money from affordable housing developers that let affordable housing go to shambles is ok.  

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    As one of Obama's employers ... (5.00 / 6) (#3)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 01:07:08 AM EST
    and we the public are his employers, I would like him to fill out that questionnaire for me.

    Sorry... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Ellis on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 04:59:38 AM EST
    ...he's already been hired.

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    Sorry ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:26:28 AM EST
    we still need the form for our records.  Please fill it out and return it, asap.

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    I think Obama should fill it out (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by nycstray on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 01:13:16 AM EST
    and post it on his website along with Biden's  ;)

    Heh, I don't know where all my resumes are, if they still exist. Me and controversy? Well, that all depends, lol!~ And my family history of things that could embarrass the poor man, I don't have enough energy to go there. Of course, if they supplied a list of things they find unacceptable, it could save everyone a lot of time (and perhaps be one heck of a good laugh . . )  ;)

    I actually found some other form where they wanted personal info to cross the line during the campaign. I really hesitated signing up just for the emails to follow the campaigns rhetoric because  of how I heard they were "tracking" etc. I find all that stuff creepy.

    That's what I meant in my post ... (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 01:18:47 AM EST
    above.  But it's late and I don't think I phrased it as clearly as I might have.

    In other words, I'd also like Obama to fill out that questionnaire.

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    Heh, I'm a slow typer (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:38:23 AM EST
    and distracted or I would have just agreed with you  ;)

    Seriously, I'd like to see his resumes etc . . . .

    I can see background checks etc for some jobs, but there are limits, imo. Heck, I won't submit to them or drug tests. I'll sign confidentiality contracts and let them know the basics (not a felon, born in the usa etc), but that's about it. After all, I'm just doing creative sh!t! Oh, and no dress codes {grin!}

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    I'd really like to know ... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:31:14 AM EST
    his most embarrassing Internet handles.

    ;)

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    just think (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by english teacher on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 04:42:41 AM EST
    in the old days, all you had to show was your transcript from regent university law school.

    Giggle. (none / 0) (#11)
    by Ellis on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 05:02:05 AM EST
    Those were the days, weren't they.

    Sigh, the Good Ol' Days.

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    Please no. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Fabian on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:33:27 AM EST
    It was bad enough watching AG AG doing the "Who? What? Where? When?  Who me?" routine.

    It was even worse when it was the women acting like intellectually (and ethically) challenged stooges.  They reminded me of a very unfunny Abbot and Costello routine.  Plus it seemed to imply that if you wanted loyal groupies, minorities were your best bet.  

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    This questionaire is asking all the wrong question (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by SeeEmDee on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:11:13 AM EST
    These kind should be asked, considering what's at stake here. Especially in light of the confab held in Virginia earlier this year between Hillary and Obama, where all the world's heavy hitters had gathered.

    "Do you have any associations with any organizations with ties to a foreign power or powers (or unbelievably wealthy and powerful individuals) that seek to have influence over the foreign policy of the US of A?"

    Like AIPAC, perhaps?

    And people have complained about the opacity of the Bush Administration. Methinks we are getting a taste of just how opaque the incoming Administration will be.

    On the other hand, (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by msobel on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:38:20 AM EST
    There is no anal probe and it doesn't directly ask about sexual orientation but does ask about cohabitants.  I like the definition (Q57) "share bonds of affection, obligation, or commitment."

    It also doesn't ask you to reveal your poker tell or sexual proclivities. (long walks in the moonlight,i> sucking the blood of the innocent)

    It also would allow Vegans terrorist to slip through undetected.

    It is interesting that if this is put into a database, it could be very valuable for persuasion. Not unlike what Cheney apparently did with his phony VP vetting
    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22060


    As early as March 2000, Bush asked him whether he would consider taking the second slot. Cheney at first said no. Later, he agreed to serve as Bush's inspector of the qualifications of others; his lieutenants were David Addington and his daughter Liz. Some way into that work, Bush asked Cheney again, and this time he said yes. The understanding was concluded before any of the lesser candidates were interviewed. It was perhaps the first public deception that they worked at together: a lie of omission--and a trespass against probity--to give an air of legitimacy to the search for a nominee. But their concurrence in the stratagem, and the way each saw the other hold to its terms, signaled an equality in manipulation as no formal contract could have done. It is hardly likely that an exchange of words was necessary.

    The vice-presidential search in the spring of 2000 was characteristic of the co-presidency to come in one other way. It involved the collection of information for future use against political rivals. In this case, the rivals were the other potential VPs, among them Lamar Alexander, Chuck Hagel, and Frank Keating. They had been asked to submit exhaustive data concerning friends, enemies, sexual partners, psychological vicissitudes (noting all visits to therapists of any kind), personal embarrassments, and sources of possible slander, plus a complete medical history. Each also signed a notarized letter that gave Cheney the power to request records from doctors without further clearance.

    All this information would prove useful in later years. Barton Gellman reveals in Angler that soon after Frank Keating was mentioned as a likely candidate for attorney general, a story appeared in Newsweek about an awkward secret in his past: an eccentric patron had paid for his children's college education. No law had been broken, and nothing wrongly concealed; but the story killed a chance for Keating to be named attorney general; and the leak could only have come from one person. Doubtless most of the secrets in Cheney's possession were the more effective for not being used.

    I guess my point is that there should be a privacy policy but http://change.gov/about/privacypolicy/ is a sensible more than standard website policy.


    A privacy law would be nice (none / 0) (#26)
    by WS on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:31:16 AM EST
    for these types of things instead of leaving it up to the mercy of politicians/political groups.  

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    With respect, the blogs are implicated. . . (5.00 / 4) (#21)
    by LarryInNYC on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:01:42 AM EST
    in the creation of this kind of questionnaire.  While the primary offenders of "gotcha" politics remain the Republicans, it's certainly true that many blogs on both the left and right consider it fair game to hunt through every detail of the life of every person involved with any politician looking for "gotcha" material.

    Obama's well advised to vet everyone who touches his administration thoroughly enough to survive an audit from Powerline or, once they eventually turn against him, the left blogs as well.

    Or... (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:18:57 AM EST
    he could grow a pair and stand up to the "gotcha!" brigade.  Wouldn't that be refreshing...

    "It has come to light that Staffer X posted some controversial stuff on a blog 8 years ago, and I don't care because Staffer X is doing a fine job."  

    Seems to me the more you dig into inconsequential sh*t in people's past, the thinner the talent pool you have to choose from.  The world is full of brilliant people with an embarassing incident in their past.

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    and if he did ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by wystler on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:54:52 PM EST
    ... we could all secretly wish that Hinderacher (sp?) or Limbaugh would have sufficient courtesy not to saturate e-print & the airwaves 24-7

    and an answer to this kind of interrogatory, btw, doesn't necessarily disqualify. it merely allows an inside awareness to exist

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    Why waste time.... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 03:25:56 PM EST
    worrying what Limbaugh will do?  It's not like he will be open-minded and fair without any "gotcha!" material.

    Besides, the only people that tune in have their minds made up already..except for myself, I tune in on occasion for the unintentional comedy.

    Whether for disqualification or merely awareness purposes, some things are none of your employer's business.

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    LarryInNYC Wins ! (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by bselznick on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:10:15 AM EST
    Larry can ring the bell on this one.  The GO-Palin (GOP) party is already at war with Obama, already constructing impeachment websites, and planning a new Arkansas Project against Obama.  They are already totall flipping out.  

    Indeed, they will find some government hire who once smoked a joint, or gave 10 cents to MoveOn, or once compared Palin to Eva Braun on some blog.  Worse they might find two or three of these commies who have infiltrated the Defense Department!  OMG!  Obama's team is being smart.  If Kerry was this smart he'd be President.  These people do not go away, as Kerry thought, they only get worse.

    Dig in folks, for the next 4 to 8 years the right is only going to do what they can do, find dirt and sling mud.  All of their political position are unpopular so what else cna they do?

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    Oh I think the RNC and the media (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:29:00 AM EST
    were doing a fine job of gotcha well before the internets started to come into their own.

    Stangely, the health question struck me as the most intrusive.  Not that there weren't plenty of others that were pretty intrusive, but one wonders what that has anything to do with the job other than to discriminate against someone with a pre-existing condition.

    Could two applicants who are equally qualified except that one is healthy and the other has a heart condidtion remain on a par in the minds of those making hiring decisions?

    I always look at questionnaires like these trying to determine what a wrong answer would be.

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    For a little context (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:18:34 AM EST
    SF-86 is 21 pages long and is required for all government employees seeking a national security position.  

    Anyone who is leery of filling out paperwork that reveals personal information really should not enter the public sector.  

    The private sector is getting in on it. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Joelarama on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:32:22 PM EST
    For one law firm job I had to list and provide the filings for every lawsuit in which I had been a party, no matter how long ago or how minor. They also checked credit.  It wasn't a big deal for me, but it seemed a little beyond the pale.

    All of that seems beyond the pale when Bars maintain disciplinary records.

    I suppose it's reality and some employers want all of that information, even for professionals.

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    The irony is (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by SM on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:43:08 PM EST
    that if Obama had filled out that questionnaire truthfully and listed his associations (Wright, Rezko, Ayers et. al.) he wouldn't have made it past screening for potential presidential candidate. :/

    (I'm not passing judgment on whether those associations should matter now, but when he was an almost nobody, crazy pastors, shady real estate dealings and ex-terrorists would have been less than desirable.)

    Kathie2ark (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by kathie2ark on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 04:39:32 PM EST
    The sick irony is that Obama wouldn't get a security clearance in his own administration. Does anyone think an applicant who had Obama's past associations would be allowed to work there?

    Be careful what you ask for.

    It's pretty bad (none / 0) (#1)
    by Steve M on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:13:54 AM EST
    although, I mean, on my bar application they wanted me to list every traffic ticket I ever received.  No exaggeration.

    Really (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by kaleidescope on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:16:46 AM EST
    Here in California the question was for every non-traffic arrest. They weren't interested in traffic tickets. Finding case numbers for ten year old drunk in public citations can be quite a chore.

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    The extent of this questionnaire (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 09:39:02 AM EST
    seems a bit premature to me though.

    I had a family member who was very ill last year who needed to go into a nursing home (or so they said - that's a different story).  The applications for these homes - I had to fill out several because one day someone would have a bed and the next someone would not - but these applications were unbelieveable - they wanted every bit of information that would allow anyone to steal the patient's identity - mother's maiden name included.  They wanted bank account numbers, listings of all holdings, realestate information and on and on and on.  My relative wasn't even in yet and they basically wanted the keys to all of her money.  I left a lot of stuff blank because I thought it was entirely premature to be sharing that information with complete strangers who had made no warranties to me about protecting that information.  I figured that if they ultimately took her, we'd work out those details later.

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    Well (none / 0) (#35)
    by Steve M on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:14:18 AM EST
    The NYT says this is only going to candidates for high-ranking and cabinet positions.  It's not as if every last person who wants a job changing the trashcan liners in the administration has to fill it out.

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    Still waitin' for that change in Washington....... (none / 0) (#6)
    by BrassTacks on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 01:34:32 AM EST
    Wow. That's all I can say after reading the NYTimes article.  

    Obama sure protects himself.  Let's hope he protects as well as he protects himself.

    Eh, I don't mind. (none / 0) (#8)
    by rooge04 on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 03:50:09 AM EST
    I'd rather have the government over-screen employees for the new administration than get caught with its proverbial pants down because they didn't know about some scandal or controversy.

    Reality (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ellis on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 05:08:07 AM EST
    I can understand people not wanting to complete such a questionnaire, but as unpleasant as it may be, the thought of doing it just might get more than a few would be applicants to remember certain events in their lives that they would rather not mention, but which (these days) will almost certainly come out at some point -- either in confirmation hearings or, worse, sometime later when it will be even more embarrassing/damaging.

    Maybe they'll be able to loosen up the requirements after we've gone a couple of decades without the Who's Who in America overlapping quite so much with the Who's Who in Prison.

    Thank goodness it is not the 70's (none / 0) (#15)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:29:00 AM EST
    Those pesky 70's would have undone a few people on the misc questions. Everyone you dated/relationship in the last 10 years? They missed asking for every e-mail at least and asking for your harddrives.

    BTW, is that Clinton that is writen in on the side next to one question?

    Yes, I believe you are correct (none / 0) (#36)
    by blogtopus on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:38:02 AM EST
    That certainly looks like someone scribbled 'Clinton' next to question 31... you'd think the NY Times would take the time to apply a little white out or digitally erase it (or, if in pencil, use the damn eraser).

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    Oh - and BTW - since you are (none / 0) (#19)
    by scribe on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:44:57 AM EST
    filling this out and sending it in over the internet, all this information is now in the possession of the FBI, NSA, and the Republican Party.  Forever.

    Not that Dick Cheney would do anything untoward with a book full of answers to "your most embarrassing thing, evah?".

    And, remember, too (none / 0) (#23)
    by scribe on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:09:42 AM EST
    that you have no reason to complain that the NSA, FBI and who-know-who else has it.

    You gave up the information voluntarily when you filled out the form.

    Seriously, it's crap like this that ensures we get three kinds of people in the top jobs:  those Establishment wh0res who've been there in one or another job forever (because they've already been vetted), those who are inept (because they are either inexperienced and therefore haven't done anything embarrassing or are young and haven't done anything), and the shameless (who don't mind running down Main Street buck-nekkid because they feel they have nothing to hide or be embarrassed about).

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    Any emails I may have sent which may (none / 0) (#20)
    by ThatOneVoter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:48:49 AM EST
    have been embarrassing???
    All internet handles?
    ha ha ha.

    hmmmmmmm........ (none / 0) (#22)
    by cpinva on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:08:21 AM EST
    if they actually expect people to complete that form, pres-elect obama might want to consider asking for a delay in the inauguration, until sometime in 2013.

    between the time it'll take applicants to gather all the requested data, and the FBI/Secret Service/Merry Maids to confirm it, we'll be well into the next century.

    in this day of internet search engines, anything truly heinous, or embarrasing, is probably fairly easy to locate. his minions should just be able to plug the person's name in, and there it will be: the night you streaked through the theatre, during a midnite showing of "Rocky Horror Picture Show"!

    WOW! (none / 0) (#27)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:36:59 AM EST
    I don't save my blog posts.  They are easy enough to find on this blog but not all that searchable on others.  "Could be a source of embarassment" for blog postings??  I pity the person who has to review all this.  I guess we are in a new age.  

    Not too bad (none / 0) (#33)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 10:41:11 AM EST
    I don't see 'bad' answers keeping you out of a job. I think they want no 'surprises' like the Clintons got in high level appointments.
    The State Police in MD ask about drug use and make it clear that it won't harm your app if not recent or major but that lying will be caught out.
    There is stuff that I would would have to list that is negative (late tax returns) but I have nothing to hide. Actually, being willing to fill it out may make me more competitive. Good thing I've never lobbied, given speeches, owned trusts etc.

    I know it happens to people, but late tax returns (none / 0) (#47)
    by Joelarama on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:39:13 PM EST
    (without an extension) would be a disqualification, I suspect, with these jobs.

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    no one I know (none / 0) (#56)
    by barkway on Thu Jan 22, 2009 at 09:38:17 AM EST
    I know lots of people that filled out the online app (myself included) and not one of them ever heard anything from anyone connected to Obama. I think maybe it was just a ruse to make the support-army feel like they were going to be considered for inclusion when really they never intended to hire anyone using that app. He had his people all picked out before he took the oath.

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    Will (none / 0) (#34)
    by cal1942 on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:10:42 AM EST
    any people with actual ability make the cut?

    Will anyone make the cut?

    Question 46 seems to require that the applicant investigate just about anyone she/he has ever known.

    I find it interesting (none / 0) (#37)
    by SM on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:50:10 AM EST
    that someone scribbled "Clinton" next to question 30 something.

    It appears (none / 0) (#38)
    by Socraticsilence on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 11:50:11 AM EST
    That this another example of Obama trying to avoid the false starts of the Clinton administration- Zoe Baird anyone.

    Impediments (none / 0) (#40)
    by jarober on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:29:53 PM EST
    I think the most relevant question is this: How many otherwise qualified people does such an onerous process deter from even applying.  Never mind the wringer for those who apply; what about the ones who take one look at the process and say "to heck with that!"

    I understand the motivation; journalists and bloggers lover to play "gotcha" with the administration.  What a lot of people seem to forget is the opportunity cost.

    I'd never reveal my (none / 0) (#42)
    by coigue on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:43:59 PM EST
    blog handle.

    THe word "Clinton" (none / 0) (#43)
    by coigue on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 12:45:57 PM EST
    is written next to number 31.

    I completed two of the online applications (none / 0) (#44)
    by Paladin on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:01:49 PM EST
    As I mentioned in a thread a few days ago, as an exercise, I completed the initial online application, which was simply basic information (name, email, current title, etc.).

    Then a few days later, they emailed me a link to a more comprehensive application which I completed.  None of the more intrusive questions mentioned in the NYT article were on this second questionnaire, although it was quite comprehensive.  I'm assuming that this second questionnaire was just further pre-screening, and if deemed qualified, then they'll send another link with these other questions.

    me too! (none / 0) (#55)
    by barkway on Thu Jan 22, 2009 at 09:36:02 AM EST
    I too got the link to the second more in depth app (though not 63 questions) and after sending it back, I never heard from anyone ever again. Did you ever get a reply or a third request for info?

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    The screening is for firing (none / 0) (#45)
    by ding7777 on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 02:08:44 PM EST
    not for hiring - (go quietly and we will not leak what a liar you are)

    Younger folks.... (none / 0) (#51)
    by MsAnnaNOLA on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:00:08 PM EST
    Would not have nearly as much trouble finding and documenting the vast list of things on this list.

    Other than that...list your handles? Wow. That is intrusive.

    #32 Gifts > $50 (none / 0) (#52)
    by MsAnnaNOLA on Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 08:03:00 PM EST
    My brother just got married. Would he have to disclose all the > $50 gifts that my parents friends gave him? That might be a long list.

    Seems like a crazy questionairre designed to find those that really want the power, badly.

    What?? (none / 0) (#54)
    by barkway on Thu Jan 22, 2009 at 09:33:39 AM EST
    I filled out the online job app at change.gov a long time ago but the app I was served up did not have 63 questions like the article says. Did they stop the official application process at some point, not tell anyone, and just put a bogus standard type app up there for people to fill out for no purpose?
    I never heard from anyone either and I'm also curious to know the job descriptions of the WH staff that was just sworn in on Wed., who got the positions (with biographies), and HOW they got them (application or were they campaign staff and former Senate staff that were promoted/rewarded?)