Ignore Him

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Other Politics
Posted on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:46:43 PM EST
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Jonathan Singer speaks for me here. But really, Liss does. Want "revenge?" Ignore the p-tz.*

I should make this an Open Thread.

* This word is likely to be changed. J is a very nice person and does not approve of name calling. By contrast, I am not, and enjoy name calling.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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BTW (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:25:59 PM EST

I commend you all for following the advice of my title . . . and talking SEC football.

Go Gators!

P.S. I am now officially scared to death of this season. The Gators are clearly the best team in the country which means we could be headed to a com[placency fall.

Tallahasee scares me. Not to mention the Tide.

I would love to catch TTech in the championship game though. Easiest matchup by far for the Gators.

LOVE that SC is basically out of it. The one team that can match the Gators' athleticism.

Thanks Gawd no playoff . . . THIS YEAR.

Oh and (none / 0) (#15)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:26:34 PM EST

Percy Harvin is the best college football player in the nation.

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I like Demps too (none / 0) (#91)
by Amiss on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 12:42:04 AM EST

but he doesnt get to play as much as Harvin and I think the Pouncey twins are doing well. And of course Tebow is a terrific all around guy, the way he gets involved with the fans etc.

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: What SEC team has the most loyal (Crazy) (none / 0) (#116)
by samtaylor2 on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:56:20 AM EST

Fan base??

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I think you'll get OU, BTD. (none / 0) (#32)
by easilydistracted on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:37:53 PM EST

Tech has a tough road ahead -- OU in Norman and B 12 Championship game against MU at Arrowhead.

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Big 12 Championship (none / 0) (#35)
by easilydistracted on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:39:28 PM EST

if they get by OU, I meant to say. And I don't think they will. OU and MU in championship game and OU wins, again.

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I know (none / 0) (#36)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:40:41 PM EST

I think you're right.

I would much rather play Texas than OU, but it will probably be OU IF the Gators do not stumble.

Stoops was supposed to be our coach. I love Stoops.

He definitely scares me.

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Not! (none / 0) (#42)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:43:40 PM EST

Bobby would have been coach at Iowa long before he would have been "yours".

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We had him (none / 0) (#45)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:48:51 PM EST

He was coming. David Boren threw obscene amounts of money at him.

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: Dream on Gatorboy! (none / 0) (#47)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:54:52 PM EST

He could have named his own price to come to Iowa City and he would have been a King.
He's a son of the Heartland, not the Swampland. Once a Hawk, always a Hawk.

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Here's likely scenario -- (none / 0) (#49)
by easilydistracted on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:59:35 PM EST

Tech loses in Norman, creating a three way tie for 1st place in the Big 12 South. So, BCS ranking will settle who plays championship game at Arrowhead. Texas probably has the inside track (albeit slightly, thanks to their whuppin on OU). Texas heads to KC to play, outside, during the evening hours of early December. Hmmm. Nuff said, MU renders everything moot.

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I think Texas. (none / 0) (#39)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:41:25 PM EST

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Calling someone a name in print... (none / 0) (#122)
by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 05:33:27 PM EST

i.e. a "fraud", could amount to libel couldn't it?

I agree, Jeralyn is nice but I imagine that's not the only reason she prohibits name-calling on her blog ;-)

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If any (5.00 / 1) (#17)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:27:32 PM EST

of y'all are looking for a non-traditional way to serve sweet potatoes for/around Thanksgiving, I really love this sweet potato salad with orange maple dressing recipe.

I made a huge batch tonight for a pot luck tomorrow. Instead of two kinds of raisins, though, I used raisins and craisins. It is really yummy.

Craisins? (none / 0) (#19)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:28:46 PM EST

Cranberry/raisins?

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Yum. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:32:50 PM EST

Craisins: sweetened dried cranberries, about the size of raisins. They aren't some sort of bizarre cranberry/grape crossbreed, though; the name's just a marketing angle, methinks.

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I took a 7th grade trip (none / 0) (#30)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:35:26 PM EST

to the Jersey Pine Barrens. We picked cranberries, but they were pretty much inedible raw.

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Huh. (5.00 / 2) (#53)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08:37 PM EST

I didn't realize that there were commercial cranberry growers in New Jersey; I always think of Massachusetts. We have some protected bogs way up in the Appalachian highland (helpfully called Cranberry Glades) where cranberries grow wild, but obviously in that rare and fragile ecosystem, picking is not allowed.

Cranberries are awful without sugar. Cranberries, artichokes, blowfish - who on earth first figured out that these things were edible?

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Yup, NJ is the 3rd largest grower IIRC (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:15:54 PM EST

They actually grow lots of fruit and vegetables in NJ. The New Jersey tomato, for ex., is renowned in the Philly area.

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for home gardeners, there's a new variety (5.00 / 1) (#98)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:14:04 AM EST

of New Jersey tomato, I think it's called Raritan... I'll check. A hybrid, but resistant to almost all diseases... and delicious.

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: Wrong name given-- it's Ramapo. (none / 0) (#104)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:26:13 AM EST

wonderful in Alabama, must be great in the NE also.

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Their tomatoes are very good. And corn. (none / 0) (#60)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:20:52 PM EST

Northern NJ was nothing like I expected. It reminded me of where I live except for those funny accents. :)

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There are three, maybe four, New Jerseys (5.00 / 1) (#62)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:25:56 PM EST

The south is mostly Philly dominated burbs, and if you go into a bar, the Bud tap has a Phillies baseball. In the north, it's the Yankees, because that's the New York burbs.

The rest is rural farmland and the pine barrens. There's also the shore (Cape May and Atlantic City), but they're frankly in the Philly orbit.

Central Jersey is Princeton, and that's no-man's land.

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Well, they are Yankee fans and you can (5.00 / 1) (#65)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:31:02 PM EST

see the city just down the road across the river. So that's the north? What part was I in that was kind of rural with big hills - almost small mountains. His aunt lived there and it took over an over and a half to get there. Where was I then?

That was the best snow for sledding I've ever experienced.

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If you can see Manhattan, it's definitely (none / 0) (#66)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:33:27 PM EST

north jersey.

I'm not sure exactly where you were, but it's funny that you talk about hills: Jersey has a reputation for being flat!

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I swear I didn't dream it. I was there many (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:37:28 PM EST

times. I wish I could remember the name of the area. It was like foothills. Lots of beautiful trees. Not like the rest of NJ at all.

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High Point (none / 0) (#71)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:41:10 PM EST

maybe? Appalachia makes it just to the border of NJ, right there.

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When I was growing up, my parents had a (5.00 / 2) (#81)
by byteb on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:57:24 PM EST

small cabin in Highland Lakes, NJ in Sussex County. It was a small vacation community nestled in the mountains surrounded by small lakes...around 2 hours from NYC. It was heaven for this Washington Heights city kid. Beautiful lazy summer days (delicious tomatoes and corn sold by local farmers in their round side stands) and great skiing in the winter.My mother lives up there still in the cabin...now fully winterized. I lost my New Yawk accent in those gentle mountains of NJ. :)

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byteb, to this Tennessee girl, they still (5.00 / 2) (#84)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:04:29 PM EST

talked awfully funny to me. :) My ex-father-in-law was from Long Island and my MIL was from Yonkers. We practically needed interpreters sometimes.

My first trip up there, my young soon to be sister-in-law offered me a soder. I asked what about three times. She finally got a can (of Pepsi) and I said "Oh! A Coke!". I never could understand them.

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: Oh boy, that's very New York (5.00 / 1) (#86)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:13:08 PM EST

My grandma, love her, says "soder." I swear she sounds like Bugs Bunny sometimes.

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Yes! Sussex County. I remember that. (none / 0) (#74)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:44:53 PM EST

It's very pretty in the winter time.

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Most Republican county in NJ (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:47:44 PM EST

heh.

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: Figures. I tell you, I'm always surrounded by (5.00 / 1) (#79)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:50:41 PM EST

them.

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I was in - (5.00 / 1) (#69)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:38:44 PM EST

northwestern New Jersey - the Delaware Water Gap area - though honestly I couldn't pinpoint exactly where the camp was, not anymore. I was a kid, and don't even remember the name!

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If you ever get a chance, visit (5.00 / 1) (#73)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:44:14 PM EST

New Hope PA. The Delaware is impressive.

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When we would drive to NJ, we spent a (5.00 / 2) (#77)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:48:21 PM EST

long time in PA. It was really pretty. The best snow I ever saw was on trip up there for Christmas. We had to stop at a rest area it was snowing so hard. I was so excited I got out of the car and just stood in it. I love snow. The flakes were huge.

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Ooh. I love snow, too. (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:00:31 PM EST

I live too far south and west in my state, though. Everyone else got plenty last night, but we just got a dusting.

I hate snow when I'm traveling, though. I often drive over I-68 through the highlands of WV and western Maryland. Frostburg, MD, is REALLY appropriately named.

One MLK, Jr. weekend, my two-day trip turned into a four day odyssey, I got stuck going up AND coming back, and spent an hour and a half at an interstate on-ramp in Cumberland after a snow plow ahead of us got stuck in the, uh, snow.

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: NYT forecast for Manhattan: (5.00 / 2) (#95)
by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:26:35 AM EST

"flurry"; singular. Didn't say what would be flurrying, but I hightailed it out of town just in case.

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my grandmother had a (none / 0) (#106)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:29:11 AM EST

Zummerhaus on Silver lake... what a beautiful area!

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My grandfather - (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:34:41 PM EST

- who was originally from Arkansas, was stationed in Atlantic City, NJ in WWII. He got married there during the war, and spent the rest of his adult life in Philly. He loved to fish - freshwater, never salt water - and spent nearly every weekend of his adult life in New Jersey fishing.

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I went to camp one year (5.00 / 1) (#63)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:28:14 PM EST

in northern NJ. It is weird to hear those funny northern accents coming from mountain folk. ;)

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Bittman had an article on sweet potatoes (none / 0) (#23)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:32:01 PM EST

last week.

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Dressing and sweet potatoes are my (5.00 / 1) (#44)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:48:04 PM EST

favorite Thanksgiving dishes. I could eat just that and be fine. I like the sweet potato, pecan and coconut dish even though I hate coconut. I think it has like two sticks of butter in it, too. Nice and healthy.

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Food is regional (5.00 / 4) (#46)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:52:13 PM EST

In my family, dressing goes on a salad. Stuffing is the baked bread dish. ;-)

Coconut dish? No idea what you mean by that. Some kind of pie?

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It's a sweet potato casserole with lots (5.00 / 2) (#48)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:58:50 PM EST

of butter and pecans and coconut on top. It is so rich, it will make you sick if you eat too much.

My ex-husband was from NJ and I had stuffing there. It was okay but you need about ten times that much baked in a dish until it gets kind of crusty. We eat left over dressing for days and days.

I can't cook worth a hoot and really don't even try so I'm looking forward to eating at my mom's.

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my family got. . . (5.00 / 1) (#50)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:02:29 PM EST

reservations.

It's a shame really. I love leftover turkey sandwiches.

Coconut dish actually sounds really good. But I need a big plate of butter like I need a hole in my head. . .

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Leftovers are the best part (5.00 / 4) (#83)
by gyrfalcon on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:04:24 PM EST

of Thanksgiving, I've thought my whole life.

After my dad died 30-some years ago, my mother and I were frequently invited to friends' houses for Thanksgiving, and after doing it once, ever after that, we'd fix our own Thanksgiving dinner the next weekend, as well, do all the dishes and the stuffing (!) and the cran sauce the way WE like it, and had our own leftovers.

Mashed potato pancakes with reheated gravy full of big chunks of turkey-- yeeowww! Turkey hash! And best of all, turkey sandwiches for days.

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: Hell Yeah.... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
by kdog on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:36:02 AM EST

Thanksgiving leftovers rock G...my family used to take all the leftover turkey, stuffing, potatos, and gravy...mix it all up in a big pot and serve it over toast. So freakin' good.

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One woman (5.00 / 1) (#55)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:12:34 PM EST

always brings that sweet potato dish (with the pecan crust on top - right? very crispy?) to this potluck. It's delicious, but getting that crust right is hard. I know too many people who've tried and failed.

Stuffing/dressing is my favorite Thanksgiving dish, too, though.

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: The trick to the topping (5.00 / 2) (#92)
by Amiss on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:00:37 AM EST

is to have the butter and flour ice cold. you can even put it in the freezer, then take it out and put it in the food pro and pulse it, that makes it crumbly like it should be, if the butter is too warm is just kinda melts and spreads everywhere.

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: Check out Cook's Illustrated (5.00 / 2) (#97)
by Fabian on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 05:11:17 AM EST

for tricks and tips.
I often begin thinking that the extra steps are just NOT worth it. But I think of the pumpkin pie I made the usual way and it ended up with a watery custard and a soggy crust, and then I go back and look at those extra steps with much more interest.
The last issue had perfect oven roasted sweet potatoes. The trick was to start with a dead cold oven! No "preheat to XXXF".

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You guys are killin me here... (5.00 / 1) (#109)
by easilydistracted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:47:16 AM EST

I committed to traverse the vegan route for 30 days, just 10 days ago. I know, I know...What was I thinking at the time -- this is probably the worst time of the year to abandon my carnivorous ways. I agreed to it so I'm going to comply. And, BTW, vegan-friendly recipes are appreciated.

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Hey. (none / 0) (#120)
by liminal on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 03:11:20 PM EST

Not a vegan, but I have made this vegan pumpkin pie recipe before because I love pumpkin pie. I used honey, though, so I guess that's not vegan to some people.

Anyway, I used almond milk from the grocery store (the stuff in the shelf-stable rice/soy milk section) instead of making my own nut milk, as she suggests. Also, I couldn't find a vegan pie crust, and didn't want try her recipe for one, so I baked it in individual ramekins in a water bath and served it like that, just the "custard" so I wouldn't have to deal with the crust. It did not set quite as well as traditional pumpkin pie, but was still very tasty.

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: Thanks.. (none / 0) (#121)
by easilydistracted on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 04:07:51 PM EST

I'll give it a shot.

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Thank you. (none / 0) (#38)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:41:23 PM EST

I'm going to some of those ideas... Love sweet potatoes, and don't love the marshmallow topping. I usually make a whipped sweet potato and parsnip puree instead.

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I'm tryin it out (none / 0) (#40)
by easilydistracted on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:41:35 PM EST

Sounds rather tasty

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Ok, (5.00 / 2) (#64)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:28:32 PM EST

this story is a little scary.

"The ships keep coming, but there's nowhere for the cars to go," Mr. Golledge said. He said he believed the vehicles he was loading would be his last before he was laid off, and he was already considering where he might find a new job.
While shipments for some items have slowed, the cars have kept coming in at their regular pace partly because the auto factories can take months to adjust to changes in demand. Toyota is wrapping up a deal to use six acres to park cars at the port, and is seeking more space.

If you're in the market for a new car, wait a couple of months, because prices are gonna go through the floor I think. But that won't be so good for the economy. . .

Ugh. I'm afraid that the small company (5.00 / 3) (#72)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:43:02 PM EST

I work for won't make it in this economy. We are hurting badly. I did a six month cash forecast today and it looks brutal.

This job is stress free, I work part-time at an hourly rate greater than I could get full time. You guys may have to help me find a job soon. I truly dread it.

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Ouch (5.00 / 1) (#75)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:45:19 PM EST

The world economy needs a massive stimulus--yesterday.

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Good luck. (5.00 / 1) (#78)
by liminal on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:50:39 PM EST

As positive as I'm feeling about Obama right now, we have some really tough times ahead.

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Yeah. Most of our customers for high dollar (5.00 / 1) (#80)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:54:34 PM EST

machines we make (about 1 million for a small one, 2 milllion for a big one) are foreign. One has a grant for 50% of the cost from the European Union (is that what it's called?) but they are having trouble getting financing for the other half. This would be a huge order so I'm crossing my fingers.

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: ExIm Bank (none / 0) (#105)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:27:26 AM EST

Export Import Bank. Does it still exist? I thought so.
Shoot me an e-mail.

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Any sales of anything (5.00 / 2) (#85)
by gyrfalcon on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:08:36 PM EST

at this point will be good for the economy.

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Open thread? (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by lentinel on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:40:21 PM EST

The New York Times had an excellent recipe for Kasha Varnishkas a few weeks ago.

link here

: Oh, yum! (none / 0) (#87)
by gyrfalcon on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:19:19 PM EST

Does that look good! I've never had it, but it sounds like my kind of thing. I'm sort of immune to sweets and sugar, but give me some good starch and some tasty fatty something, and I'm a goner.

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: Never had that. (none / 0) (#99)
by liminal on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:15:18 AM EST

Never heard of it. However, I do have a half-box of kasha languishing in my pantry and now I know what to do with it - thank you!

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Can somebody explain to me (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by gyrfalcon on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:23:16 PM EST

the obsession of middle-aged men for college (otherwise known as semi-pro) football?

I know it's not just men and not just middle-aged and some middle-aged men aren't under its spell. But still. I got over college football a couple years after I left college. But I've never been able to comprehend in the slightest 50-something guys who went to, say, the University of Iowa going nuts over whether Florida is going to beat Florida State or not.

Why on earth do you guys care?

It is born with us. My father used to wake us (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:30:58 PM EST

up on school nights to watch TN basketball replays at 11:30. We listened and watched every game together. My parents got season tickets when I was in junior high and my brothers and I got to choose a game each year to go to. I got to see Penn St, USC, UCLA. It's great.

It's an obsession and there isn't always a reasonable answer. It beats the NFL any day. Come to a game with me gyrfalcon and you'll see!

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I live in ALabama... (5.00 / 3) (#100)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:18:41 AM EST

College football is more important culturally than anything except church.

and at church, people discuss the saturday games.

This goes from Div 1 through the non NCAA schools.

Culture, culture, culture. and it's not just midle aged men... unisexual, and unigenerational.

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Well, I am not a guy (none / 0) (#93)
by Amiss on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:06:57 AM EST

but here in the South, it is bred into us, I think it is in our genepool :)

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: Nah, it isn't in your gene pool (none / 0) (#115)
by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:35:22 AM EST

My child is not from your gene pool but he started school here. He is beyond saving now :) His father usually only watches hockey and soccer and began life in Michigan. Josh could care less, only cares about college football.

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Here's the college football (5.00 / 1) (#96)
by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:27:19 AM EST

cliffhanger: Will Michigan beat OSU?

It would be great if they did... (none / 0) (#107)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:31:23 AM EST

...but I'm not going to bet on it! Most losses in school history, no bowl game this year--not a good year to be a Wolverine fan.

But still, a win this weekend would be a great way to salvage at least a little pride.

Go Michigan! Beat those Buckeyes!!!

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: The first Metropolitan Opera (none / 0) (#117)
by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 10:13:02 AM EST

radio broadcast for this season is this Saturday. I'll just check the football score.

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If this is an open thread BTD, do you think (none / 0) (#1)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:53:44 PM EST

Kentucky fans are starting to miss Tubby yet?

Heh (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:55:24 PM EST

Shadenfreude. (sp?)

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They're awful. Like Tn in football awful. (none / 0) (#3)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 08:57:13 PM EST

I hope they stay that way when we play them.

I also hope TN football isn't in a similar situation in a few years. We can't get any worse, right?

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Book this (none / 0) (#4)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:01:45 PM EST

Tennessee will be in a BCS bowl in 2 years.

Fullmer was the problem.

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We need a coach first. (none / 0) (#5)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:06:43 PM EST

What did you see as his problem? Being conservative and not playing younger players? In all honesty, who could have expected that a five star, top two quarterback could fall apart on the field the way Crompton did?

The players are still very angry. Former players are writing angry letters. It's messy here. I don't think I can stand waiting to hear who the new coach is but I'll bet it will be a while. I'm betting on that Kelly guy at Cincy.

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A plethora of problems (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:10:07 PM EST

First, he was not recruiting as well as a Tennessee coach should.

Second, his offense was a joke.

Third, his team loved him but would not play for him.

Fourth, he was a lousy coach.

Fifth, 17 years is too long for any coach at the same place.

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True, except we had a top five class (none / 0) (#7)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:16:13 PM EST

coming up and now some are jumping ship. It's going to be interesting. I can't help but feel sorry for him. I don't know him but I worked for one of UT's biggest boosters for years and I heard nothing but good things about him as a person.

Oh well, I'm enjoying basketball.

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A great person (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:18:40 PM EST

He seemed to be. do you want to win? the Old Ball coach was as big an a"**hole as you will ever see.

Meyer is too.

I want to win.

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Fulmer's problems are pretty much as you folks (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by jimakaPPJ on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:21:32 PM EST

have stated, but the problem has been the OF, Clawson trying to install an offense and fit the players rather than fitting an offense to the players.

BTW - BTD It is rare I agree with you, but yes, things will be rocking on Rocky Top very quickly.

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I have heard from a "reliable" source (none / 0) (#12)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:24:23 PM EST

that Fulmer was told earlier in the year to dump Clawson mid-season to save his job and he said no that he wasn't going to ruin a promising young guy's career. I guess it may have cost him his job.

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Well (none / 0) (#16)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:27:22 PM EST

Ruin is an interesting word,. Do you think Clausen is not ruined already?

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Maybe. I don't understand all the complexity (none / 0) (#20)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:30:24 PM EST

that I read about his offense. I read an article in the Sporting News that said it takes years to learn. I don't know why a coach on the hot seat would have taken that risk. They had a lot of faith in Crompton and he is the worst player I've ever seen. I hate to say that about a kid but gosh he freaks out when he is in the game.

He's starting at Vandy so if you bet, take Vandy. Actually, take Vandy anyway. :)

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: years to learn (none / 0) (#111)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:19:31 AM EST

I think they were referring to the coach learning how to coach the system....

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2 seasons (none / 0) (#18)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:27:54 PM EST

And I think they get Leach.

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That's who the fans want. I don't see him (none / 0) (#27)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:33:46 PM EST

fitting in with our rich stuffy boosters. They like to be sucked up to and I can't see Leach doing it.

I think he and Bruce would be a fun pair. I read that Bruce was at the press conference and he was actually crying. He's an emotional man and I just love him.

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: They wannna win (5.00 / 1) (#29)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:35:18 PM EST

Leach is the guy they need.

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Vols made the right move at the right time... (none / 0) (#101)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:20:54 AM EST

I almost wish they would court Tuberville, but Auburn couldn't replace him with anyone of consequence.

When Fullmer had Cutcliffe as his OC, the VOLS looked sharp.

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Not Butch Davis? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:19:00 PM EST

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I think he knows he has it made at NC. (none / 0) (#10)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:21:09 PM EST

No competition like there is in the SEC East. Plus, the fans at TN are brutal on coaches.

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Yeah... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:25:20 PM EST

...that seems to be what he is saying in public, but football coaches, like politicians, tend to have pretty big egos. I have to wonder if Chapel Hill is big enough for him.

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Hmmm (none / 0) (#22)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:31:13 PM EST

Tennessee is clearly a better job than NC.

Hoops come first there.

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: That is changing (none / 0) (#113)
by jimakaPPJ on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:22:18 AM EST

and as (I gag as I admit this) FL has shown, you can do both.

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Close (none / 0) (#88)
by gyrfalcon on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 11:20:21 PM EST

You just need to sneak in a C-- Schadenfreude.

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Why is every open thread (none / 0) (#21)
by Spamlet on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:31:03 PM EST

a football thread?

Oh, and Melissa? She nailed it. Hilarious.

It's a service to me (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:32:36 PM EST

so I have absolutely nothing to say.

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Because some of us have an interest... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:33:37 PM EST

...in it and like to discuss it? It is an Open Thread after all.

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Cuz we loves our college football (5.00 / 2) (#28)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:33:56 PM EST

in the South.

It is like a religion.

You have to live it to understand.

Nothing like it.

The Gator Nation.

Rocky Top.

Between the Hedges.

Baton Rouge on a Saturday Night.

Hey Alabama, the Crimson Tide.

SEC football - nothing like it. Nothing.

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Honestly (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:38:03 PM EST

It's sick I know, but I was sooooo depressed the day the Gators lost to Ole Miss. I was despondent.

It is ridiculous and childish and not rational.

But we can't help it.

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To keep jabbering nonsense (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM EST

There is a reason Tebow said what he said after that game.

He KNEW the Gator Nation was despondent. Just deflated.

He did it for his tram of course. But he said it for the Gator Nation too.

Funny story - I was in NYC the night of the LSU gane and I had to take my teenage daughter to a concert near Time Square.

I was desperate to find a place to watch the game. so I went to the ESPN restaurant in Times Square. the place was filled with Gators and Tigers.

When the LSU fans started leaving in the 3rd quarter, I felt so smug and satisfied. Just ridiculous. We fans had done nothing. Hell, we were not in the stadium. But it was OUR win too.

Just sick. But that is the way it is.

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: Gator Nation? (none / 0) (#114)
by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:27:01 AM EST

Now you guys are your own nation huh? Going to secede? I understand, you might not not kick anyone's a$$ next year. Better secede now while it's sweet :)

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Speaking of the south (none / 0) (#31)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:36:39 PM EST

how about Poblano's stupid thesis on the white vote there? You know, the one where he pretends that Obama paid no attention to Mississippi.

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Didn;t see it (5.00 / 2) (#34)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:38:53 PM EST

Sounds stupid though.

But hell, Poblano has never understood the South. He's from Michigan.

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Well, I don't understand the south either (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:41:08 PM EST

but I do know that it's a state of mind--for better or worse.

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: It's a lot of things (5.00 / 2) (#41)
by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 09:42:27 PM EST

A lot of them great. A lot not so great.
It is different. Still.

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That explains everything. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 01:14:39 AM EST

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you forgot War Eagle... (none / 0) (#102)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:22:00 AM EST

I'm hurt...

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: Hey Jeff, I didn't forget War Eagle (5.00 / 1) (#112)
by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:22:17 AM EST

I'm still investing. Bought two new hoodies for Josh yesterday to be delivered by Mr. Claus. Bama may not be the land of ski coats for the Colorado born but it can throw you some hoodie weather lately.

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Since this is an open thread (none / 0) (#51)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:03:54 PM EST

The Times called for CAFTA's passage today.

No Sirota freakout so far as I noticed.

Rather, the Columbia agreement (none / 0) (#52)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:04:22 PM EST

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erm, CoLOmbia... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
by jeffinalabama on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 08:24:00 AM EST

sorry, pet peeve...

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: I knew that too! (5.00 / 1) (#119)
by andgarden on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 10:35:55 AM EST

Thanks.

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Is "The Hill" legit? They have an (none / 0) (#54)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:08:37 PM EST

article that Ted Kennedy has asked Hillary to head a task force for universal health care.

I haven't read the threads from earlier today so I may have missed discussion on that.

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The Hill is a decent publication (5.00 / 1) (#56)
by andgarden on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:12:57 PM EST

I have no idea about that story, though.

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Press release from Kennedy (5.00 / 1) (#57)
by nycstray on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:13:05 PM EST

here

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Well...is this to tempt her to say no to (none / 0) (#59)
by Teresa on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:18:59 PM EST

SoS? After supposedly telling her to get lost (if that story is even true)?

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: She may be able to do both (5.00 / 3) (#61)
by nycstray on Tue Nov 18, 2008 at 10:23:51 PM EST

if they plan on having this on the table in Jan. It's not like they are starting from scratch. And if she goes for SoS, I'm sure they have a backup. I think it gets down to where she can do the most good in the next 4 yrs. UHC should be a nobrainer at this point, so what else does she have on her plate vs SoS? It's not like she's going to have to be waiting to deflect some of Bush's assaults on women's health services etc.

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I'm glad you enjoy name calling (none / 0) (#110)
by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 09:18:43 AM EST

I do too at times :) CNN this morning is making way too much out of Ayman al-Zawahiri's smack talk. I get so tired of the overreaction. Like Zawahiri was going to have anything flattering to say about Obama, but hey, please go on and on and on and on about how insulting his comments were to President elect Obama while I take a nap. Sticks and stones Zawahiri........sticks and stones

: So much for the theory (5.00 / 1) (#118)
by oculus on Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 10:15:10 AM EST

electing Obama would instantly improve U.S. image.
New subject, no segue: who knew BTD enjoys name-calling? enjoys name-calling?

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