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Late Night: Gold Dust Woman

Stevie Nicks and Sheryl Crow, 1999.(It was either this or Lou Reed's "Vicious" for the McCain campaign and the media, but this won out.

Rock on- gold dust woman
Take your silver spoon
And dig your grave
....Is it over now- do you know how
Pick up the pieces and go home.

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    On Prop 8 (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Fabian on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 02:58:24 AM EST
    Read other blogs.  Fascinating stuff.  Someone crunched the numbers.

    If whites only voted, Prop 8 narrowly defeated.
    Add in Hispanic votes and Prop 8 just barely passes.
    Add in black votes, and Prop 8 passes easily.

    Crunching the numbers to account for additional black turnout - 10% (of total voters) versus 6% and Prop 8 passes either way.

    One reasonable assumption:
    This vote was with suppressed Republican turnout and enhanced Democratic turnout.  IOW - this was theoretically a best case scenario in terms of party turnout.

    Found a repeated sentiment of "Hey! It's not our fault!".  The No On 8 should have done a better job, whites aren't blameless and so forth.  I'm sure someone may have admitted that homophobes are not evenly distributed throughout the entire population, but I didn't see those comments.

    Also saw assertions that all we need to do is wait until the younger, more tolerant voters tip the scales.  My best guess is that would take twenty years.  "Just wait." sounds a whole lot better than "Don't worry, in twenty years this will all change.".  What is unspoken is that the assumption that this will all change all by itself, naturally.  People won't have to be forced to confront their own bigotry or the bigotry of their families, churches, cultures or societies.  

    The problem will fix itself!
    Now isn't that a comforting thought?  

    I'm still picking over the numbers from Tuesday (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:44:30 AM EST
    One thing that strikes me is the final adjusted exit poll for North Carolina It has Obama winning only 35% of the white vote. Knowledgeable commentators speculated that he would have to get 36% of it because it was highly unlikely that the black composition of the electorate would rise above 21% (the 2004 exit poll is controversial because it pegs the black vote at 24% and the math doesn't work out for other reasons). Well, this year's exit poll says that blacks accounted for 23% of the electorate--higher than most thought possible.

    Possible explanations:

    1. Obama actually got more than 35% of the white vote and there was an insignificant reverse Bradley effect.  

    2. Whites stayed home.

    3. Obama's turnout machine was working on full cylinders and produced an electorate no one thought possible.

    Perhaps some combination of the three is right. Who knows. . .

    I was writing a post on NC (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:50:22 AM EST
    as you were writing this. Feel free to repost there.

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    Will do (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:54:22 AM EST
    thanks.

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    Interesting full page "An Open (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 12:48:40 AM EST
    Letter To The American People" in Wed. NYT, front section, p. 5, from a Shiekh in charge of one of the United Arab Emirates.  Phrased as if one democratic leader is welcoming another, i.e. President-Elect Obama.  Refers to the Shiekh working with George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton.  Oddly, George W. Bush is not mentioned.

    My brother informs me.. (none / 0) (#6)
    by Fabian on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 05:57:53 AM EST
    that Impeach Obama sites are popping up.

    I informed him that the same thing happened to Bill Clinton - on his first term.

    This will be a hoot! (none / 0) (#7)
    by Fabian on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 06:39:18 AM EST
    I'll get to watch all neophytes going "OMG! Look at what they are doing to (or saying about) Obama!  Isn't that awful?".  (With the unspoken assumption that's it's because he's black.)

    Then we'll gently point out to them that this happened to Bill Clinton or Jimmy Carter or Hillary Clinton or JFK or some other politician.  

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    please keep this stuff (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:09:17 AM EST
    your impeach Obama and racial divisiveness off TalkLeft. Take it to one of the blogs you're recommending other's read on the issue.  

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    Larry Summers (none / 0) (#9)
    by Manuel on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 11:21:09 AM EST
    Continuation from yesterday.

    This profile piece from 2007 is clearly sympathetic.  Nevertheless, a couple of points are worth considering.

    On gender:

    ... In his introduction, Dershowitz defended Summers's remarks about gender and science as honest intellectual inquiry. But Summers wouldn't have it. "I think it was, in retrospect, an act of spectacular imprudence," he told the class. He still maintains that some critics mischaracterized his remarks, but the bottom line is that girls around the world came to think that the president of Harvard believed they couldn't be scientists. "There are enormous benefits to being a leader of a major institution, but there are also costs and limitations," he continued. "I thought I could have it both ways, and I was wrong." Even when someone is defending him, Summers can't hold back from a debate.

    As I mentioned previously, I found Summers gender remarks provocative but not out of bounds.  It isn't crazy to hypothesize that, in general, men and women have different innate learning styles.  Given that some fields are dominated by men, it is to be expected that men's learning styles are favored.  That of course doesn't mean that there aren't other ways to solve problems which could be just as successful.

    On the Reich rift :

    What's striking today is how much Democrats on either side of the 1990s debate agree with one another. Most say that globalization itself cannot be held back, because it stems more from the inexorable march of technology than from any change in trade laws. Credit-card call centers have moved to India and Ireland because they can function there, not because a new law allowed them to go. Trying to prevent jobs from leaving will create the problems that protectionism always had, like higher inflation and slower economic growth. But leaving the market to work its magic also won't do. Even the centrists within the party agree that the government needs to meddle in the economy more than it once did.

    There is a great deal of economic consensus on what we need to do to avoid another depression.  BTW That doesn't mean that consensus is right.  The orthodox conservative/libertarian view that rescuing the financial system is the wrong thing to do is out there and could rise in popularity if economy doesn't recover.  This ties in to whether the Democratic majority is sustainable.