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    Absolutely freezing in Philly (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:14:12 PM EST
    I'm to Florida just after the new year, but I'm jealous just the same.

    I made salmon for the family, and it was well-received.

    Gravlax? (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:52:07 PM EST
    It is seasonal.

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    Nope, poached (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:57:10 PM EST
    I think most of my family would not be amenable to eating raw salmon. (We do love our Nova, though. So go figure.)

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    What is Nova? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:18:06 PM EST
    Generally speaking, less salty Lox (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:20:40 PM EST
    It's a kind of smoked salmon.

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    Oops...Nova salmon ofcourse! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:21:39 PM EST
    for some reason when I read Gravalax, I thought Nova was another way of prepering salmon.

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    It Is (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:28:52 PM EST
    I know.... :-) (none / 0) (#26)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:38:41 PM EST
    I was having a hand to brain disconnect while typing. I meant to write that when I read Gravalax, I did NOT make the connection of another way of preparing salmon. I was thinking stellar explosions and could not understand what that had to do with salmon. So please ignore that last post it made no sense..... :-)


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    Same Thing (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:33:27 PM EST
    As nova, just a different process of preserving. Nova is not cooked either. Same as cerveche.

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    Now your just messing with me... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:42:30 PM EST
    I know what "ceviche" is but have never heard it being called "cerveche".

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    I figured it was an alternate spelling (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:43:38 PM EST
    Oh (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:45:53 PM EST
    I must have spelled it wrong, damn spellcheck. Not messing with you at all.

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    Well I can hardly pick on you... (none / 0) (#32)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:49:19 PM EST
    if I write "your" instead of "you're"!

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    Oh (none / 0) (#33)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:52:09 PM EST
    And I just noticed that the Home-cured Salmon recipe I linked to above uses 1/3 cup of absinthe. That must pack a punch.

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    Yup (none / 0) (#24)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:34:59 PM EST
    but we tend to mentally distinguish. It's a funny thing.

    (Not me: I enjoy sushi.)

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    A Luxury (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:40:12 PM EST
    Enjoyed during opulent times.

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    Speaking of opulence.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by vml68 on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:47:15 PM EST
    I caught the tail end of a segment on the Obama's Christmas vacation spot. Very nice!
    I heard them say the place belonged to someone who is a big donor to the Democratic party. So do Presidents or in this case PE have to pay if they stay at someonelse's place? Or can a donor or friend offer them a place to stay?

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    Careful Vml, you may harsh the mellow ;-) (none / 0) (#35)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:55:40 PM EST
    But I'll bite - good question. Maybe somebody can Google it. I've gotta go grocery shopping.

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    30 mil value for the 3 places combined (iirc) (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:28:59 PM EST
    apparently they have 3 places that the family and friends are using grouped together there. The value of the 3 houses combined is around 30 mil (iirc), but I don't know if they mentioned rental/if anyone was paying.

    I only looked up because I wanted to see what warm weather looked like, lol!~ The "It's a tad extravagant considering the economy" did roll through my mind though. . . .

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    Oh you sneaky puss ;-) (none / 0) (#73)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:55:08 PM EST
    Uh, that would be my kitty who (none / 0) (#75)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:09:39 AM EST
    just crept into the room she's not supposed to be in (for her safety)  ;)

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    RE in Hawaii is brutally expensive (none / 0) (#80)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:10:27 AM EST
    So $3 mil really isn't all that much.  Friends of mine considered moving there, but when they went house-hunting, a 3-bedroom place on a small plot was asking $1.3 million.  I assume that's come down a bit like the rest of the country, but it's just nowhere near comparable to anything else in the U.S.

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    30 mil sounds about right..... (none / 0) (#101)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 07:48:55 AM EST
    I cannot imagine this place going for 3 mil. It was 5000 sq ft with a lagoon all around. It was really gorgeous.
    I missed part of the segment so I don't know if Obama is paying rent for it or not. I am not aware of the rules surrounding this issue so I was wondering if anyone here knew.

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    sigh (none / 0) (#91)
    by boredmpa on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 03:05:27 AM EST
    it's 1 am, and now I want sushi.

    :(

    I'm sure there's  "a softer world" piece out of that. but i'm too lazy to make one.

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    Is there an unwritten rule to (none / 0) (#38)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:01:31 PM EST
    keep it light on these open threads? I'm asking you andgarden since you're a bit of a sage, venerable presence here at TL. I'd rather not upset the apple cart in the wrong place.

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    Now THAT'S flattery (none / 0) (#41)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:07:13 PM EST
    To answer your question: no, not that I'm aware of. We have had serious and heated discussion in the open thread, and I don't think anyone would object to you starting a fight, assuming you can finish it! ;-)

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    Good to know... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:20:10 PM EST
    No stomach for a "fight" though - just need food right now, especially with all talk on the subject. Cheers.

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    Unusally cold in Miss. (30s). (none / 0) (#59)
    by Joelarama on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:56:04 PM EST
    And I made a Corsican-style Beef Daube over pasta, which also was well-received.  

    Happy Holidays to all.

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    mmm (none / 0) (#62)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:11:46 PM EST
    that sounds like just the right food for this weather. But not for my waistline. . .

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    Run around the block a few (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Joelarama on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:28:52 PM EST
    times and it melts right off.  I always gain a little this time of year and fight to lose it my April or May.

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    For those in the iced over areas (none / 0) (#69)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:38:11 PM EST
    check your local gyms and HS's for indoor activities {grin}

    Another option is to check with your local animal shelter and see if any of their dogs (or a few) could use a walk or romp in the snow  :) At the shelter by me, all the reg walkers are in pretty darn good shape. And then there's all the unconditional love ya get. . . .

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    I wish there was a "local" (none / 0) (#94)
    by Fabian on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 04:26:59 AM EST
    shelter.  Both of them are a significant drive away.

    Of course I could volunteer to walk Puck, the Golden Retriever.  She's not a bad dog, she's just misplaced.  They wanted a dog and the dad wanted a running companion.  They ended up with a dog with a bum leg.  So she doesn't go running, but is still high energy.  

    There is one local lady who fosters Labradors.  I found this out when I realized the black dog she was walking one morning wasn't the same black dog she had been walking the previous morning.  She was fostering three at the time.

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    Braised short ribs (none / 0) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:16:09 PM EST
    and mashed potatoes (from my own garden)!  Ummmmmmm!   Outside thermometer reads -8 right now and the woodstove ain't keeping up...

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    Well at least Philly is warmer (none / 0) (#64)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:20:22 PM EST
    than somewhere.  We're not going to drop below 0, that's for sure.

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    Mmmm. I make some mean short (none / 0) (#67)
    by Joelarama on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:32:16 PM EST
    ribs.  Maybe later this week.  One great thing about the South:  Sam's Club (I know, I know).  They have short ribs, cross-cut rather than English style, for like 1$ a lb.  I'm sure they are very, very not politically correct, but they sure are cheap and good.

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    I think this is one of the few places (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:35:32 PM EST
    in the leftosphere where you won't be criticized for admitting that you occasionally do business with Wal-Mart.

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    Wanting short ribs (none / 0) (#71)
    by caseyOR on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:45:16 PM EST
    I've never cooked them; never even eaten them. But I am a little obsessed with the idea of short ribs. I really want to eat them. So, if anybody wants to share a simple and tasty recipe, I will certainly be appreciative.

    Another 5 inches of snow coming to Portland on Wednesday. That's on top of the 14 inches we got yesterday. This is not how our winters are supposed to be, but we will have a white Christmas.

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    Easy short ribs (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:17:45 AM EST
    Put 'em in the oven in a roasting pan at 450 till they brown on one side, then turn 'em over to the other side.

    Take them out and put them on a plate (and turn the oven down to 300) Separate out the fat, add a cup or so of good red wine to the pan and deglaze.

    In another pan, put some of that reserved fat, gently saute some chopped onion, carrot and celery until it softens.  Add a few garlic cloves at the end to taste.

    Throw some flour in the pan with the vegs and fat, stir it around for several minutes, then add the wine from the roasting pan, some chicken broth (canned beef broth sucks), some chopped tomatoes (canned is fine), a bit of tomato paste, small amount of thyme, rosemary and a bay leaf.

    Put the meat back in and make sure there's enough liquid to cover.  Put in the 300 oven and cook slowly for a couple hours.  Oh, heaven!

    I like it over good mashed potatoes, but it would be great on noodles, too.

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    Now you're just showing off... (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:55:08 AM EST
    what a fancy pants gourmand you are! Lordy, short ribs with "red wine" and "deglazing" - such talk. Still, glad to see you left some "fat" in the mix to keep it real.

    Now, have you ever had those salt pork short ribs?

    RECIPE: simmer 2-3 lbs of salt pork short ribs in a gallon of fresh water for about 2-3 hrs. Change the water 3-4 times to get out some of the brine. Oh, these ribs are amazing with New England Boiled Dinner: add potatoes, carrots, purple-top turnips, and cabbage for the last 45 minutes. Enjoy ;-)

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    Never even seen (none / 0) (#112)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 11:39:47 AM EST
    salt pork short ribs in the market, though it sure sounds like something I'd like to try.

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    Mmmm....sounds really good. (none / 0) (#100)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 07:28:09 AM EST
    I am putting this in my 'have to make' list.

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    Very similar to what I do, but at (none / 0) (#119)
    by Joelarama on Wed Dec 24, 2008 at 12:24:01 AM EST
    300 it takes more than a couple of hours -- more like three.  I like them meltingly tender, fragile, falling off the bone.

    For a Southern touch serve with grits (similar to polenta, if you think about it, and similar to the New Orleans fave, "grillades and grits").

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    Very similar to what I do, but at (none / 0) (#120)
    by Joelarama on Wed Dec 24, 2008 at 12:24:12 AM EST
    300 it takes more than a couple of hours -- more like three.  I like them meltingly tender, fragile, falling off the bone.

    For a Southern touch serve with grits (similar to polenta, if you think about it, and similar to the New Orleans fave, "grillades and grits").

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    Has anybody had salt pork ribs? (none / 0) (#74)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:00:40 AM EST
    Meaning ribs that come out of a brine bath when you buy them. I have no idea how long that brining process takes, but the ribs are divine. Similar process to salt beef, or salt pork fat back. It all killed my poor dad, but we still indulge in moderation.

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    30s (none / 0) (#85)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:53:30 AM EST
    would be a heat wave here.  In fact, during January highs in the 30s are considered quite a relief a time when you don't button up your coat.  

    This particular December, especially the past 2 weeks, a day in then 30s would be cause for celebration. Right now a day without snow would bring a smile.

    And sun. Sun in the 20s would thaw some snow off paved areas.

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    I see someone else (none / 0) (#95)
    by Fabian on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 04:33:50 AM EST
    knows the science of snow removal.  My drive slopes down, to the north, so that even when the sun shines the snow melts slowly and stubbornly.  The neighbors whose south facing driveways are canted at just the perfect angle to catch the winter rays are almost self cleaning.

    I think it's 17F for plain salt to work.  About 20F plus decent sunshine for good snow & ice melt.

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    I think (none / 0) (#116)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:51:07 PM EST
    you're right on the salt temp. I haven't used salt in a very very long time. I used urea once but will never do that again.

    Sorry about your north facing driveway.  Ours faces east and that's our only break. We're on a corner lot and are prone to drifting.

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    Cold, rainy, and foggy (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:17:52 PM EST
    In Ensenada but no gunfire enroute so we are going to Hussongs.  Yeah.  

    Be safe, that North county fog (none / 0) (#48)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:24:14 PM EST
    can be like pea soup (sticking with the foodie talk).

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    clear so far today (none / 0) (#117)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:05:14 PM EST
    Warren gives license to ill if not kill... (5.00 / 4) (#4)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM EST
    By courting Rick Warren, Obama is also extending comfort to the lunatic fringe of the religious right who, by the way, have a long and sordid history of violence toward perceived non-believers. These are the people who have fire-bombed Family Planning clinics and assassinated a number of Doctors who provided abortion services. These are the gay-bashers who also insist that it is "God's design for gays to die of Aids".

    How can Obama not see that Rick Warren's ministry incites this kind of violence? How does Obama not find it doubly troubling to have Warren out there comparing abortion to the Holocaust, while comparing LGBTQ unions to incest, pedophilia, and polygamy.

    RICK WARREN IS NOT A CHRISTIAN; at least not in any sense of the word that Christ would understand. Why does Obama refuse to understand that?

    "How can Obama not see . . . " (5.00 / 5) (#5)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:30:01 PM EST
    Ummm . . . the same way he didn't hear while attending Wright's church?

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    Actually, the comparison to Wright (none / 0) (#90)
    by MKS on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 02:32:04 AM EST
    does apply to some extent.  

    Obama tends to be non-judgmental of others that he runs across.  Perhaps an outgrowth of his Mom's openness to the different.  Maybe Hawaii openness too.....

    Obama did not ever agree with Wrights' views on America....Nor does he agree with Warren's on abortion and gay rights... Or Ayers on the use of bombs.  Their views on those subjects did not some how rub off on Obama....

    I suppose one could vet all one's friends and acquaintances....But that is not the way to live imo...No one is perfect, or it is hard to find friends who will agree with you on all the hot button issues....And even if one were successful in purging those with unacceptable beliefs, how stultifying is that?  

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    You know, I almost said something (5.00 / 5) (#70)
    by Amiss on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:44:18 PM EST
    about that very thing.
    RICK WARREN IS NOT A CHRISTIAN; at least not in any sense of the word that Christ would understand.

    When my daughter was a young teenager, she became pregnant and her doctor recommended (for many reasons, the most important of which was that carrying a pregnancy to term was life-threatening to her) an abortion. We lived in a very small town north of Atlanta which was the nearest place you could get an abortion performed. My ex-husband tricked us into meeting with a pastor that he knew because he thought he would "punish" my daughter by making her have the baby, as soon as she and I walked into the room, I knew it was a mistake and we left shortly thereafter. A few days later I took her to the clinic in Atlanta, outside there were protestors carrying signs and my daughter was soon in tears. It was the same when we came out too. Although we were more prepared for the protestors and I rushed her out of there. The next week the clinic was bombed and a few weeks later, that Pastor, supposed man of God was arrested in connection with the bombing, where several people lost their lives. That Pastor, and I use the term lightly, was no man of God, not the God that I believe in, at least. Rick Warren reminds me of the very intolerance that this "pastor" had displayed.

    My daughter and I went to meet with the Pastor we did to kind of have a dialog and were demeaned in the most horrid ways, I know the pain I felt for her and can not imagine the pain she felt as this was a difficult decision for her as well as one she put a lot of thought into.

    Having a dialog is perhaps inviting Rick Warren to the inaugural to see how us liberals really are and are not the incestuous pedophiles nor do we condone the murder of millions of Jews during WWII.Bestowing the honor of giving the invocation to this man is not beginning a dialog. It is condoning and encouraging his hate speech.

    Christians, true christians do not have to go around telling folks they are, they live the life.

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    I've walked through those clinic (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:11:24 AM EST
    doors with "Operation Rescue" fundamentalists on both sides of the sidewalk; in your face, waving their little plastic fetuses and signs and damning every woman to hell. San Diego, mid 80s. The thugs were still audible on the inside while women were undergoing their procedures.

    They certainly weren't "disagreeing without being disagreeable", nor is Rick Warren.

    I trust you and your daughter are now both enjoying robust wellness.

     

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    Yes we are (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Amiss on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:31:27 AM EST
    My daughter grew up to be one of the kindest people I have ever met in my life. How anyone could ever tell her she is going to hell for what she felt she had to do when she was young is beyond me.

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    Plastic fetuses? (none / 0) (#77)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:30:09 AM EST
    I think the ones they brought to NYC were real during the Dem convention. And they had their children with them also. Kinda freaky trying to be a safe passage wall and have young children throwing religion* in your face along with other disturbing dialogue.

    *Not saying religion itself is freaky, just what the young children were "preaching" was. And the fact they were young children!

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    Punishment (5.00 / 3) (#82)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:27:54 AM EST
    is the key word here.  These people are against abortion, sex education and condoms primarily because they want pregnancy, AIDS and other STDs to be punishment for unauthorized sex.

    It's a totally sick world view, IMHO.

    I hope your daughter is OK.  What a terrible thing to do to a child.

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    What was it Obama said re (none / 0) (#83)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:33:37 AM EST
    abortion/punish/daughter?

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    Obama, March 28/08 (none / 0) (#87)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 02:01:04 AM EST
    According to Politico:
    The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama's earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.

    "Look, I got two daughters -- 9 years old and 6 years old," he said. "I am going to teach them first about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at age 16, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information."



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    Thanks! n/t (none / 0) (#88)
    by nycstray on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 02:11:59 AM EST
    That speech has (none / 0) (#113)
    by Amiss on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 11:40:23 AM EST
    been in the back of my mind ever since it was announced that Rick Warren would give the invocation. That is why it is so sickening to me that he would choose to bestow such a high honor on such a person.

    I would really like to know what Michelle's opinion of this is, as she appeared to be quite an outspoken individual and it is hard for me to comprehend that she wants her daughters to be influenced by such a man.

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    Norman Rockwell (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by lentinel on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:32:05 PM EST
    I saw an uncredited reproduction of a Norman Rockwell painting on the front page of an online rag whose name I would rather not mention.

    It started me thinking about him.

    I find his paintings to be quite moving.
    He captures human feeling and emotion.

    He considered himself to be an "illustrator". I don't think he had much of an ego. Perhaps that explains what I am experiencing as his greatness as an artist. I know that this might sound wild, but I am reminded of Rembrandt.

    I found a site on line that presents reproductions of his work.

    http://www.rockwellsite.com/prints/pag_images_cl.asp?SE=CL&PG=

    I'm fond of Rockwell, too... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by oldpro on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:39:45 PM EST
    wonderfully evocative and as American as apple pie.

    I remember a conversation with my son about Rockwell who informed me that a Rockwell grandson had a Rockwell orginal on his college-room wall!

    Even at Haverfored, I doubt we'd see a Rembrandt!

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    Nice (none / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:02:17 PM EST
    I am reminded of Rembrandt.

    What a great thing to be reminded of Rembrandt. I really like imagining Rembrandt paintings that I have seen.

    The Tempest comes to mind as well as any of his self portraits. For me not so much to do with Rockwell, just nice to picture Rembrandt paintings.

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    Correction (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by squeaky on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:28:07 PM EST
    Not the Tempest, but Christ in the Storm on the Lake of Galilee, 1633.

    Stolen in 1990 from the  Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum and still at large.

    Oh, and there are thirteen men on the boat. 12 apostles + one extra:

    Rembrandt puking over the edge of the boat. I think he meant it as a joke.

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    OOPs (none / 0) (#84)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 01:42:23 AM EST
    12 Apostles + Jesus + Rembrandt puking over the side of the boat.

    Here is a site were you can look at the painting through a magnifying glass..

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    Oh Dalton, that's terrible. Does your state (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:20:53 PM EST
    not have any insurance for un-insurables (sp?)? In Tennessee, if you can't get insurance, the state pays for everything. If you are insurable but just can't afford it, too bad. It really stinks.

    Crohns's is rough but I have a friend who was able to get his under control and he lives normally. I think he had decent insurance though.

    I'm so sorry.

    Grad school in France or Canada? (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:28:32 PM EST
    You plan better than I do (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:35:57 PM EST
    I didn't really know what I would be doing until Mayish of Senior year.

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    Can you still be covered by a parent? (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by nycstray on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:02:09 PM EST
    I thought you could up until 25? And it was reasonable.

    Also check with the school health people, they may be able to help you with resources.

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    You might try contacting your local (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:05:23 PM EST
    Crohn's and Colitis Foundation office - I have to think someone there will have some advice and resources to help you.  

    Crohn's can be tricky, with some people doing okay as long as they strictly monitor their diet, and others needing more intervention.

    Stress can be a factor, too, and worrying about medical costs sure isn't going to help, sadly.  

    Good luck to you - hope you are able to get the treatment you need and are feeling better soon!

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    Anne has some good advice (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by Amiss on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:38:19 AM EST
    She is right for sure about the stress affecting it as well, kind of like a double whammy there in this day, I have that problem with my diabetes.

    Some states, even Florida here soon are offering prescription cards for discounts even if you do not apply for the state plans.

    Best of luck to you.

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    I'm one of these uninsurable but Texas, thank God (none / 0) (#97)
    by suzieg on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 05:46:47 AM EST
    as a Health Insurance Risk Pool and offers 5 plans all of which are extremely expensive - if the premiums are low the deductible can be up to $7,500 with $3,000 co-pay and the drug plan has now a $300 deductible. I'm paying $1400 monthly with a $1,000 deductible + $3,000 co-pay.

    The only province in Canada which will take you without the 3 months wait is Quebec - You're covered from day one!

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    Dalton, also contact (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:52:58 PM EST
    the manufacturer of the drug.  Many companies have programs that will at least give some sort of a discount for folks who can't pay the whole cost.

    Were you examined/treated at a hospital or clinic?  If so, a lot of them have social workers whose job it is to try to find sources of help for this kind of thing.  If they don't, have that, they might have a "patient advocate" who could help at least point you to a social work agency.

    I think a skilled social worker who knows the medical system and can help you negotiate whatever is out there is what you may need.

    Also, be sure that Humira (I think that's the correct spelling) is the only thing your doc thinks will help.  There's a whole raft of other medications used for this, depending on the details of the patient's condition.  Humira I believe is the newest, which is what docs tend to prescribe, but older medications are likely to be less expensive and may be just as good or nearly as good.

    Also there are many, many Internet sites with good info on Crohn's.  Here's one, specifically the page on Humira and similar meds.


    I was going to suggest (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:56:52 PM EST
    that perhaps the last generation of drugs is available as a generic, but I feel kinda icky suggesting that someone should have to settle for second-rate medicine. (That's the reality for many Americans, of course).

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    Not necessarily that they're (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:08:22 PM EST
    second-rate at all, just different.  The pharms make vast amounts of money by ever so slightly reformulating drugs so they can continue to charge an arm and a leg for them.  Docs, unfortunately, often fall for the "newest-best" idea without really thinking about it, especially if they're used to dealing with insured patients who won't have to pay for it themselves.

    With no discussion, my elderly mother was prescribed by a specialist a new and outrageously expensive drug for a fairly common condition-- this was pre-Medicare Part D, so she had to pay the whole thing out of pocket-- and we didn't figure out until near the end of her life that the drug she'd been prescribed wasn't at all revolutionary, just one of those reformulations, and she could have been started on much less expensive older drugs first to see how well she did on them before going to the super-expensive one.  Still makes me mad.

    A lot of times, the new drugs are developed because of uncomfortable though not dangerous side effects suffered by some people with the older ones, but there's no reason at all to go straight to the gold standard without at least trying the efficacious but not always well tolerated older ones first, since it's usually only a minority of people who experience the side effects.

    I don't know if that's the case here specifically, but it's absolutely worth really pressing the docs any time you're prescribed some expensive new medication.

    Sorry, I'll get off my soapbox!  But this is one way the drug companies, with the often unintended collusion of the docs, milk the system and people's pockets.  Sometimes you do need that newest bestest thing and nothing else will do, but often enough, it's just a waste of your or the insurance company's money.

    If a 5-year-old Subaru will get you to work reliably, you really don't have to have a brand-new Cadillac.


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    I am actually aware of the process you describe (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:14:35 PM EST
    Who, after all, can forget Clarinex!? But it can be hard to tell just how much better the "new" drug is. Pharma often intentionally obscures that information by refusing to compare the new drug to the one it's supposed to replace (instead, just comparing it to placebo).

    See "The Claritin Effect" from the Times mag a few years ago.

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    Ever since I read that, whenever (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Anne on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:39:19 PM EST
    someone tells me they take Claritin, I usually mumble something about it being cheaper to pop Tic-Tacs, and about as effective.

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    Zyrtec works for me (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:47:54 PM EST
    but Claritin never did--even before I read that article.

    And, of course, I always keep the heavy artillery around: regular Benadryl.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#54)
    by befuddledvoter on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:35:10 PM EST
    I once was covered by Lilly Cares and most drug manufacturers have the same kind of program.  You have to have no medical insurance and be income eligible.  They never asked for any corroboration of income so really was not intrusive. My meds would have been cost prohibitive also.  

    Come to Massachusetts.  Everyone is now covered.    

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    Contact me, Dalton (none / 0) (#56)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:36:34 PM EST
    I have a relative who's had this for some years and has a bunch of stuff to pass on to you about diagnosis, meds, etc.  I'll put my email in my profile here.

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    Prednisone (none / 0) (#89)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 02:20:48 AM EST
    It would pay to ask your doctor if there is a need for exams by an ophthalmologist when taking prednisone over a long period.

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    Unfortunately (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by lilburro on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:00:12 PM EST
    I don't have any advice...I just want to say I'm sorry to hear about your diagnosis.  :(  

    I wish you the best of luck Dalton and my hopes and thoughts are with you.

    As I live in NC I may be able to learn something about state insurance support programs from people at work.  If I find out something I'll let you know.

    Dalton, the physical disability approach (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 09:29:56 PM EST
    might not make the cut. However, if your condition renders you psychologically unfit (depression/anxiety) to work, that would probably more readily qualify as a disability.  

    Dalton, I've seen people go through this process (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:50:34 PM EST
    The laws are pretty draconian in the US with respect to both mental and physical disability. However, some legislation was recently passed to improve the lot of people who are suffering from mental disabilities. I believe it was federal level legislation, pertaining to Social Security Disability Benefits.

    In my experience, even a severely physically handicapped person is not necessarily classifiable as "disabled", because s/he might still be able to perform some kind of work. i.e. a quadriplegic could still do telemarketing.

    But any person (able-bodied or not) who is sufficiently handicapped by a mental disorder (depression, anxiety, stress, OCD, social phobia) could not be reasonably expected to do any work of any kind; and is therefore classifiable as "disabled" for purposes of Social Security Disability Benefits.

    I know that may not be much comfort. But, before you do anything regarding disability benefits, make sure you have a supportive and sympathetic doctor. S/he will be the one making the diagnosis and laying the basis for any ensuing disability benefits application.

    Good luck with your health and getting the best care out there.

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    you are correct (none / 0) (#93)
    by boredmpa on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 03:54:33 AM EST
    disability benefits are based on the ability/inability to work and the availability of work, with some allowances based on age (learning new skills, etc).  They require a track record of mental issues and a long application process with a huge backlog.

    For the record, i interned with the SSA disability group, but I am nowhere near anything other than an armchair quarterback on these issues.  I will say that there are significant issues with the lack of regional job detail, the outdated dept of labor information, and the newer job information that is much more focused on job placement (guidance counselors) than on rehabilitation and disabilities.

    In other words, a disabled person could, imho, easily get screwed by the current regs and have to appeal and hopefully get a decent ruling by an alj.

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    I was under the impression that the SSA had (none / 0) (#98)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 06:30:11 AM EST
    recently caught up, somewhat, on the mental disability backlog. Maybe because that area had been particularly ill-served for quite some time.

    As for a prior "track record of mental issues", that is probably often true. But, I've also seen persuasive instances where people just more or less had a breakdown, after a period of long term stress or acute short term trauma, and they were categorically "disabled". The application process may be arduous, but that may also be more expeditious at this pint in time.

    At any rate, I certainly hope it has changed for the better.

     

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    Dalton, so sorry to hear about this. (none / 0) (#55)
    by caseyOR on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:36:15 PM EST
     People here have already given good suggestions. I would only add that it is almost impossible to get disability if you are able to go to school. It is considered the same as being able to work, and if you can work, you do not usually qualify for disability.

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    Dalton-- (none / 0) (#109)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:11:23 AM EST
    Speaking as someone who's had a colon resection, I would suggest seeing a dietician.  The right diet can make quite a bit of difference.  

    The steroids are awful, awful hard on a person--they should be avoided if at all possible.  

    Also, you might look into get qualified for vocational rehabilitation through your state.  I got my tutition paid through that program.  

    Best of luck to you!

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    I have no answers for you (5.00 / 0) (#53)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 10:02:09 PM EST
    but I do wish you well.  Try to stay positive.

    Because I've been hanging around too much (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:10:42 PM EST
    at the bad place, I notice an excellent diary from jbou. There he reprints a blog post from an obviously very astute writer (who's made it into my reader).

    Barack can have change or he can bridge the divsions in American politics. It's possible but highly unlikely he -- or we -- can have it both ways.



    i agree (none / 0) (#92)
    by boredmpa on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 03:17:14 AM EST
    that it is possible, but unlikely, that we can have it both ways.

    But considering I live in the bay area, the both ways option is considerably more probable.

    ---
    Sorry andgarden, i'm feeling random tonight.

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    Obama and lincoln.... (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:40:47 AM EST
    Just read on CNN that Obama is going to use Lincoln's bible during the swearing in. Then there is the train ride to the inaugaration with stops for speeches in Philly and Baltimore. Also, announcing his candidacy in front of the State House.......maybe he believes he is a reincarnation of Lincoln?  Seems kinda hokey to me.

    Yeah, I'd like him to prove himself (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by ruffian on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:48:34 AM EST
    first before he goes inviting Lincoln comparisons. But that ship sailed a long time ago, as you say with the announcement in Springfield.

    I realize Lincoln is his hero, as he is mine and many others, but this does not come across as honoring a hero. It strikes me as claiming Lincoln's mantle before he has shown he deserves it.

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    That's Funny (none / 0) (#110)
    by daring grace on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:26:00 AM EST
    I had a very different reaction.

    First of all, I don't care whose or what bible Obama uses for his swearing in. I read somewhere that most presidents use their family bible and of the few who opted for one previously used by a past president, the one used was Washington's.

    But it also seems to me that apart and aside from Obama's admiration for Lincoln, there is the fact that he was the senator from Illinois and he is the first African American president, both aspects of this which reflect a connection.

    From my perspective, I don't see Obama as a reincarnation of anyone else, including FDR or Lincoln and this choice doesn't change my view about that. It just looks to me like a meaningful kind of national historical symbolism. Nothing more.

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    Nothing more..... (none / 0) (#115)
    by vml68 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:04:14 PM EST
    I'd like to believe that but as Ruffian so nicely put it Obama has been inviting Lincoln comparisons and has yet to prove he has earned it.
    If it was only the bible I would agree with you.


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    re: Obama & Warren Inauguration Prayer (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by pluege on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:54:34 AM EST
    Its a little tough to believe in "hope" and "change" when the fundamental value of equality is for sale.

    Obama and his genius advisers are clearly of the mind that its good politics to piss off the Democratic base and they have no problem doing it at the expense of people's lives. Not a good sign, but a sign that has been consistent.

    A bit shocking to note (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by Fabian on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:08:55 AM EST
    that this issue is going over better than any "women's issues" ever did over at Daily Kos.  I'm both glad and sad.  Glad because I'm glad that they are being successful, sad because it's a shame that feminist activists never saw that success.

    (As to why this is, I'm not sure.)

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    Good News!! (5.00 / 3) (#106)
    by eric on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 09:45:48 AM EST
    We just found another vote for Al Franken!  My wife just got a call telling her that absentee ballot was wrongly rejected.  The Al Franken people just called and told her and asked her if she would sign an affidavit.

    This was an absentee ballot that was done in person at city hall in Minneapolis.  It seems that the problem was that the ballot was delivered to the wrong precinct.

    How Historic (none / 0) (#114)
    by squeaky on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 12:00:52 PM EST
    Nice to see the wheels of history churn from front row seats...

    Thanks.

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    We followed up with the affidavit from (none / 0) (#118)
    by eric on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:55:54 PM EST
    here in Michigan, where we are for the holidays.

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    Nothing new here (none / 0) (#1)
    by SOS on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 07:04:22 PM EST
    Zzzz

    I am so exhausted. My mom and brother (none / 0) (#11)
    by Teresa on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:07:24 PM EST
    plus my niece and nephew and five kids came here for the niece's family Christmas today. Trying to entertain five kids and keep a 20 month old from destroying all my decorations was very tiring.

    We went to Nashville Saturday for Christmas with my husband's family and we have ours Wednesday night and another family one Thursday. I'm so sick of Christmas food already.

    The weather is making me mad. It's in the teens and clear today after two straight weeks of pouring rain. On Friday, it will be in the 60's again with rain. Why can't the cold and moisture come at the same time? I want snow not this depressing rain.

    If the roads get cold enough (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by andgarden on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 08:13:01 PM EST
    over the next few days, the rain might give you pure ice. That's pretty to look at, but deadly. (We had an ice storm here once in the early 90, and walking down the sidewalk was scary!)

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    I miss Nashville. Nice town. nt (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Joelarama on Mon Dec 22, 2008 at 11:06:43 PM EST
    Yo Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by DFLer on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 11:10:25 AM EST
    You can have my snow...I'm sick of shoveling it!

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    I just want to look at it DFL, not shovel it! (none / 0) (#121)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 24, 2008 at 12:35:09 AM EST
    I want to get on a sled and go for a walk in it. We used to get just the right amount of snow...3 or 4 inches, every now and then 8 or so. It was wonderful. By the time we got tired of it, the sun would come out and it would be like spring again.

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    yes T (none / 0) (#122)
    by DFLer on Wed Dec 24, 2008 at 05:20:07 PM EST
    and I would love to go sledding...

    Actually all this is good for the crops, as we have had a coup0le years of winter drought, more or less.

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    I'm sorry to hear that. (none / 0) (#96)
    by Fabian on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 05:31:43 AM EST
    I was going to offer advice, but everyone else did it first and better.  I second everything they said, with an emphasis on diet being key.  As for the drugs, make sure you understand what they are supposed to be doing for you and the potential costs ("side effects").  

    So much for charity (none / 0) (#99)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 06:39:32 AM EST
    Freezing and miserable weather in Chicago for the last week. It's made me think of all the money spent on Prop 8 in CA. How many of the homeless or poor could have been aided with all that money. What a waste. With the economy in the shape it's in, charities could have found a lot of positive uses for that money rather than continuing to drive a wedge in the country. It doesn't reflect well on "Christian" values. (Or humanity for that matter).

    Warm in Florida? It is cold in St. Augustine. (none / 0) (#102)
    by newflorida on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 08:38:55 AM EST
    Warm in Florida? I am in St. Augustine right now and it is in the 40's.  I cannot leave the house b/c it is too cold.  I doubt there is anyone outside right now.  Good thing, I am driving to Miami tomorrow for Christmas.  Hopefully, the climate there is more hospitable.

    Since I have been stuck at home for the past two days due to this freezing temperature, I took the liberty to create a 2 minute video "A day without Republicans in DC". I hope everyone likes it.  Otherwise, that will tell me that I need to be out more often (LOL).  Here is its link on Myspace: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=48579307

    What recession? (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Dec 23, 2008 at 10:10:52 AM EST
    Ya gotta love foxnews.com

    What Recession?
    E-commerce site Zappos.com enjoying best year ever

    bottom of page, Cavuto teaser.