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Tuesday Evening Open Thread

So many end-of-year details to take care of. And the TL kid is on his way over for dinner. What's on your agenda the next few days?

In the news, Colorado Rep. Diana DeGette has withdrawn her name from consideration as a possible replacement for Sen. Ken Salazar. Gov. Ritter's decision is due any day.

And Denver Broncos coach Mike Shanahan was fired today, after 21 years with the team. The local news is obsessed with the story.

The Boulder District Attorney's office is seeking to prevent bloggers from live-blogging a locally high-profile criminal trial in which a father is charged with abusing and neglecting his child, resulting in the child's death. The trial will be in Denver.

Nationally, Obama and his bubble is filling air time, and the Israel-Gaza conflict continues, but doesn't seem to be dominating the news.

Hillary and Bill will be in Times Square New Years Eve to drop the ball.

This is an open thread.

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    Bobby Rush is playing demagogue on CNN (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:13:32 PM EST
    this whole thing is sad.

    really pathetic (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Lil on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:19:28 PM EST
    He's right that it's a travesty (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:23:07 PM EST
    that there aren't any african americans in the Senate right now. But this isn't the way to fight the battle.

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    I agree and... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Lil on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:24:05 PM EST
    I think both the appontee and the Congressman come off looking bad.

    Parent
    If Obama can win (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:12:49 AM EST
    why can't others win?

    I see no "travesty," just a lack of good candidates.

    Parent

    I see a Senate malapportioned by design (none / 0) (#68)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:26:08 AM EST
    By design? (none / 0) (#69)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:33:14 AM EST
    What does that mean?

    I know that the three persons who actually rule America are sneaky, but........

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    Senators represent states, not people (none / 0) (#70)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:36:39 AM EST
    If the hundred Senate seats were apportioned such that each Senator represented the same number of people, it would be much more likely that we would have black Senators.

    Parent
    But then, the Senate (none / 0) (#75)
    by Cream City on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:06:59 AM EST
    would be the same as the House.

    And we would be doubling the number of doofuses -- and doubling their pay, paid by us. . . .

    Parent

    Not the same and not doubling (none / 0) (#78)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:20:03 AM EST
    unless 100 now equals 435. But in any case, it's hard to make an argument for the Senate as it currently exists. All of the Reynolds v. Sims reasons apply here. ("Legislators represent people, not trees or acres. Legislators are elected by voters, not farms or cities or economic interests.")

    In the alternative, we should just abolish the Senate.  

    Parent

    Exactly. (none / 0) (#81)
    by Cream City on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:07:21 PM EST
    That's where I was headed -- we don't need to duplicate.  And we do have the precedent of a unicameral legislature . . . in Nebraska.

    Parent
    Interestingly, (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:18:43 PM EST
    Nebraska apparently abolished its House, and what remains is the Senate.

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    I can make an argument (none / 0) (#83)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:36:14 PM EST
    The creation of the Senate was part of a bargain that cannot simply be rewritten on a whim.  The small states might never have joined the Union in the first place if they hadn't been promised equal representation in at least one house of Congress.  Those were the terms the states were willing to accept, and you don't just get to take them back because they strike you as illogical today.

    Consider that the ONLY portion of the Constitution that is immune from amendment is the part which provides for equal representation in the Senate.  If we wanted to, we could pass an amendment tomorrow which abolishes the Supreme Court.  We could repeal the First Amendment, or any other part of the Bill of Rights, by going through the normal amendment process.  There's only one thing the Founders deemed so fundamental to the bargain that they prohibited us from altering it through amendment, and that's the concept of equal representation in the Senate.  So think hard before you decide that it's just an annoying historical artifact to be dispensed with at the earliest opportunity.

    Parent

    I think your argument (none / 0) (#87)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 02:36:41 PM EST
    is far outweighed by the manifest unfairness of the current apportionment. Just because the framers really really really wanted it that way 200 years ago doesn't mean that they made the right call. The idea that we can't revisit the decision today just seems nonsensical to me.

    Why should Wyoming's representation in the Senate be equal to California's?

    Parent

    Well (none / 0) (#90)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:35:44 PM EST
    I frankly don't know what you intend to do about it.  Persuade all the people you want, but even a constitutional amendment won't be good enough unless the small states actually consent to giving up their equal representation.

    Let me put it to you this way, though - do you think the Senate ever made sense?  Do you think the Founders were just incapable of thinking "gee, it makes no sense to give Rhode Island as many Senators as Virginia"?  Or do you suppose they realized yes, it was inequitable, but it was a worthwhile political bargain nonetheless?  Because you can argue all you want that times change, but if you think there was a reason for the structure of the Senate that has now vanished, you have to tell me what that reason was.  Because I don't think there was ever a good reason aside from the fact that this was the political bargain that was reached.

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    It's absolutely true that there (none / 0) (#91)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:41:42 PM EST
    was never a good reason aside from the political bargain. Nor was there good reason for permitting slavery inside of the union, aside from the political bargain.

    I do not believe that this is a problem we can readily address, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't admit that it is a really bad and really unfair arrangement.

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    Are you even thinking about (none / 0) (#93)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 04:03:02 PM EST
    the fact that the Founders ensured that slavery and everything else could be altered through the amendment process if future generations saw fit, but designated the topic of equal representation in the Senate as the one and only unalterable thing in the entire document?  Why do you suppose they did that?

    Maybe it's not such a really bad and really unfair thing after all.  Maybe it's been an important part of keeping the Union together all these years.

    Parent

    But-but-but. It is very important, (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 04:11:41 PM EST
    isn't it, that, say Governors of states with lots of land mass but not very many people, should not attain national political office.  <snk>

    Parent
    Some of them valued states much more (none / 0) (#95)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 04:19:11 PM EST
    than I do.

    Parent
    Truth be known (none / 0) (#96)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:20:08 PM EST
    and to go back to the beginning, anngarden's complaint is that there aren't any blacks as Senators. I wonder if we should elect people based on percentage of race... and that is, of course, exactly where she is going.

    Parent
    It's he (none / 0) (#105)
    by andgarden on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:37:50 PM EST
    and no, I don't. I think that our legislative bodies should not be mapped to make it almost impossible for blacks and other minorities to elect their representatives of choice.

    Parent
    Youi have a self identifed black man (1.00 / 1) (#114)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:38:13 PM EST
    as President.

    Yet you still want to play the race card.

    That speaks volumes.

    Parent

    Weird (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by lilburro on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:46:01 PM EST
    Although Jeff Stein was indignant at being accused of "spooling the CIA line" he blogged a strange little article today on the CIA Director selection.

    from CQ Spy Talk:

    One knowledgeable source said that the Obama team was "back to zero" on finding a CIA chief, an assertion rejected by a transition official.

    Running the spy agency has become less attractive to personalities who once might have sought the position, sources say, ever since it was subsumed by the new national intelligence directorate (ODNI), set up after the surprise 9/11 attacks.  

    "A lot of people don't want the job," said the source, because the CIA chief is no longer top dog in the fractious, 16-agency intelligence community, and no longer gives the President his daily briefing.  The Obama team has gone down "some blind alleys" in finding the right person, the source said.

    Whereas in pre-9/11 times the job might have been a springboard to bigger things, now "it's a career ender" because it requires direct supervision of such contentious policies as renditions and interrogations.

    "You've got to just really love it," a former top CIA official said,  "because it's too painful otherwise."

    wtf?

    Is the source a complete moron?  

    On one hand, I wonder if any of this is a consequence of John Brennan still being in charge of the transition team on intelligence.  He supports rendition and he's pissed at liberals.  Why not let the stench of torture linger?  On the other hand, I think the source in this article might just be insane.  A few weeks ago, Stein's sources were complaining about how dreadful it is that being connected to "enhanced interrogations" disqualifies you for the post.  Now it's a shame that the post includes supervising "enhanced interrogations" and renditions, which are presumably distasteful.

    What a weird article.  Ackerman comments here.

    Some may be heartened that at least one of the candidates for CIA Director, John Gannon, is anti-torture.  According to the NYT, Gannon says it was a tragic mistake for the administration to approve such methods.  I wrote up a post on him here.

    WEIRD.  Is it just Villager-y politeness to Bush that Obama isn't smacking this kind of stuff down?  

    Here's a way to stop Warren's prayer (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Cream City on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:10:31 PM EST
    from further polluting our inauguration.  Me, I plan to put the John Adams series DVD in the TV and watch the wonderful episode of the Washington inauguration.:-)

    But per the Associated Press, maybe there's a hope and a prayer of stopping Obama and Warren from their planned travesty in our democracy:

    Madison, Wis. - A group advocating separation of church and state is suing to keep prayer out of the Jan. 20 presidential inauguration.  The Madison-based Freedom From Religion Foundation and several of its members are among the 29 plaintiffs in a federal lawsuit filed yesterday in Washington, D.C.

    The lawsuit seeks to block the Presidential Inaugural Committee from including prayers in the official inauguration. It says clergy have not led prayers at inaugurations for most of the nation's history.  The lawsuit also asks that the phrase "so help me God" be removed from the presidential oath of office as it's not included in the version in the Constitution.

    Foundation co-president Annie Laurie Gaylor says members are "First Amendment purists" who believe the ceremony excludes non-Christians.



    I wish those people success (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Spamlet on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:51:00 PM EST
    I'm coughing and coughing some more. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Teresa on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:34:29 PM EST
    For some reason, Christmas makes me sick. Three of the past four years.

    I'm better but now my husband, who has been sick one time for two days in the eleven years I've known him, is getting it.

    In addition, my doctor's office called and my thyroid was out of whack. So now I'm taking another medicine. My desk is starting to look like a pharmacy.

    Teresa (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:48:19 PM EST
    in spite of the coaching change at Tennessee it looks like you're getting another good recruiting class possibly top 15.

    Quite remarkable.  It looks like none of the verbals have jumped ship and that usually happens with a head coaching change.

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    The local blogs say some of the verbals (none / 0) (#48)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:03:29 AM EST
    have started lining up new visits, so I'm not sure. One thing I see already, it is Lane's way or the highway. I guess that's a good thing for discipline.

    He told our for sure committed 5 star quarterback (Boyd) that he would honor the commitment by TN but that he might want to consider other schools because his style was not the kind of offense we would be running. Considering how awful our QB's were, that's something. He must think at least one of them will be ok in a normal system instead of all that jumping around from place to place or whatever that scheme was.

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    A story in our paper today about Caroline (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by hairspray on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:50:52 PM EST
    Kennedy's attempt to become the NY junior senator was not very supportive of her efforts.  Apparently she has not become as focused and forthright as the print media (mostly upstate) would like.  Frankly, the whole thing was off key to me and reaked of old tme Democratic favoritism.  With the smell of the caucus system still in the air, I would think the party leaders would be more careful about showing their true colors.

    I don't have a vote in New York (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:00:46 PM EST
    but if the decision was mine, the senate seat would go to Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney. She's smart, tough and an unabashed liberal.

    I have been told that I shouldn't have an opinion in this matter because I do not live in New York. While it is true that I do not have a vote in New York, I certainly have a vested interest. I only get to vote for two senators, but my life is impacted by all 100 of them. I have a very personal stake in every senate election and appointment, as does everyone else in the country.

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by befuddledvoter on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:34:05 PM EST
    And that is why we get those solicitations from the Dem. Sen. Comm. to donate and donate and donate, because each and every Senator effects us all.

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    Ha ha, make sure to tell those people... (none / 0) (#56)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 07:12:44 AM EST
    ...that they don't have a say in Illinois if they don't live there. See how they like those apples.

    Parent
    Or Minnesota. (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:07:47 AM EST
    Watching Basketball, Football (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:42:31 PM EST
    Basketball: Michigan State on the road against Minnesota on the 31st. Tough to play any Tubby Smith team and on the road is even more difficult.

    Football: Michigan State in the Capitol One Bowl on the 1st at 1:00 PM (ABC).

    Penn State in the Rose Bowl on the 1st.

    And as many other bowl games as possible.

    Shed a tear for bowless Michigan. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:16:16 AM EST
    "bowlless"! (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:24:36 PM EST
    Why? (none / 0) (#121)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:49:31 PM EST
    It's really hard to cry for a program that had  its first losing season since 1967.

    Michigan isn't automatically entitled to a bowl game or a winning season.

    The fact is, Michigan won 3 and lost 9 and as far as I'm concerned don't warrant tears or any other form of sympathy or other consideration.

    When we (Michigan State) have a losing season we're always subjected to scorn, ridicule and contempt and a not insignificant dose of it from Michigan faithful.

    You'll have to wait till hell freezes over before you'll elicit a tear from me and I am confident  I speak for legions of Big Ten faithful everywhere. Michigan was long overdue for a dose of humility and as far as I'm concerned one year isn't nearly enough.

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    Oh, be that way. (none / 0) (#122)
    by oculus on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 12:41:06 AM EST
    The news (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by lentinel on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 06:14:46 AM EST
    In the first day of the Israel-Gaza war, the press reported on the horrors of the civilian casualties - especially children.

    The next day, they began to report that this bombardment was a reaction.

    The next day, the civilians casualties were no longer mentioned.

    Now the war is spoken of only in terms of global politics.

    We can't let people feel anything, can we?

    Oh - is there still a war going on in Iraq?

    Front page photo, LAT, above (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:26:22 PM EST
    the fold, today:  rubble of a mosque in Gaza.  

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    Freddie Hubbard (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by lentinel on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:59:42 AM EST
    The great trumpet player, Freddie Hubbard is no longer with us.

    I was deeply saddened since I have been moved by his music and inspired by his amazing ability to play his instrument.

    Israel-Gaza conflict and the news (2.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Andreas on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:48:13 AM EST
    Jeralyn wrote: "the Israel-Gaza conflict continues, but doesn't seem to be dominating the news."

    Those "news" are mostly selected and edited by accomplices of the Zionist state.

    The New York Times and Gaza: Justifying genocide
    31 December 2008

    "The Zionist state"? (none / 0) (#52)
    by Spamlet on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:26:16 AM EST
    What's next? "Death to the fascist insect that preys upon the life of the people"?

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    Zionism and Israel (none / 0) (#53)
    by Andreas on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 02:08:59 AM EST
    "Spamlet" obviously does not know anything about the history and legal structure of Israel.

    Here is a link to the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

    Zionism

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    Au contraire (none / 0) (#54)
    by Spamlet on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:07:26 AM EST
    I know plenty. Possibly more than you do, my friend.

    But I am not a doctrinaire follower of the International Committee of the Fourth International, despite my strongly socialist "tendencies."

    Hence my reaction to your hoary locution, which I could not utter with a straight face, or write without quotation marks, even if I wanted to.

    Parent

    IMO Cowboy coach needs to go (none / 0) (#1)
    by Saul on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 07:42:16 PM EST


    Not so much him, as (none / 0) (#5)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:19:47 PM EST
    some of the players. Though it looks like one of his coordinators is interviewing and likely to jump to Detroit. (How much worse could he do there?)

    From what I've been reading - Dallas papers, sports blogs - not only were the Cowboys' players partying and playing dominoes on the charter home from getting their butts kicked in Philly Sunday, but the atmosphere on the plane was described as "like the last day of school".  No feeling bad about the loss or wounded pride or anything.

    Today, it comes out that some Cowboys players are coming out and saying things like "T.O.'s a cancer" and "Witten's a coward", not among themselves but to media, on the QT.  

    That's a sure way for it to get out.  Which it did.

    No one seems to respect Pac-Man Jones and Romo, well, he's shown he doesn't have it.  Of course, his O-line did such a bang-up job protecting him Sunday that he collapsed in the shower and, later, had to have 2 of the team's press assistants help him step down the one step to the interview room for the post-game interview.  When that happens to you as QB, it's a sure indication of how the O-line thinks of you.

    Of course, all of that can be laid at the feet of the head coach.  Think of the Ray Handley Giants, following on Bill Parcells' Giants.  A total debacle, b/c the players neither feared nor respected Handley.  

    Kind of surprising about Shanahan, if only b/c he's such an institution in Denver and reputedly close to the owner.  But, he had control over picking players and, FWIW, the last couple drafts for Denver have been not much to write home about.  It may be that Shanahan made his career b/c he had Elway to coach, not b/c he was an intrinsically great coach.  Good fodder for debate, as no one will ever know that for sure.

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    Whitten (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:35:35 PM EST
    has been playing with a rib that was broken...

    coward???

    Parent

    This is what I've been reading (none / 0) (#29)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:05:25 PM EST
    on reputable papers' sites and reliable sports sites.

    Cris Carter called T.O. a "cancer" and suggested he'd shoot him (then later backed off).

    Some cancer (from a Philly blog, the 700 Level):

    You could almost read TO's lips as he calmly spoke words of encouragement to Tony Interception in the huddle with the score at 31-3: "It's alright, Tony, it's not your fault you just aren't that good."

    Owens was ready to play.  So was Witten.  The rest of that team?  A bunch of softies, beginning and ending with their quarterback.  Romo looked like a wounded animal on its last leg, incapable of making rational decisions or just generally making a decent throw, not that it would have mattered anyway.  WR Roy Williams was visibly frustrated early on and seemed to quit.  Pacman Jones can't tackle, can't cover, and doesn't want to get hit.  They were sloppy in every phase of the game, from the opening kickoff until the finish.

    Romo, post beat-down and O-line letdown.

    The last day of school story.  Some dispute it.

    Romo's getting all sorts of crap, even from Eli

    And, per this column in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram, Terrence Newman says tthere's a coward who's tearing the team apart.  The column:

    Walking around this Cowboys locker room Monday, after another season abruptly ended in failure, I was struck by how deeply divided this team actually is.

    The lack of chemistry is glaringly obvious in how players talk about one another. A lack of respect seems to exist for many Cowboy coaches as well. Everybody is always blaming somebody.

    And deep fissures remain amongst Dallas' biggest names, personalities, and players with Wade Phillips basically intimating that he had to have a come-to-Jesus intervention with Jason Witten, T.O. and Tony Romo before Philly.

    Cowboys cornerback Terence Newman encapsulated all of this angst, somewhat unintentionally Monday, when talking about lack of accountability in this locker room.

    "It is like the problem when you had the anonymous player saying all that stuff," he said. "They are a coward, you know, and that kind of stuff ruined this season."

    Let that sink in: A bigtime Cowboy called another bigtime Cowboy, and Witten specifically -- if locker room rumblings about the identity of "the snitch" are to be believed -- a coward.

    Welcome to what happens when you have a Cupcake for a coach.

    One player calls another a coward, and the papers call the head coach "Coach Cupcake".

    It could be worse.  You could be this guy - DUI on a Zamboni.

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    Well Bowlen fired Shanahan (none / 0) (#34)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:39:12 PM EST
    That would be an interesting match. The biggest ego in Denver sports goes to the biggest ego in Dallas sports...

    If nothing else Shanahan would clean out the problem players and I can't imagine a player getting lippy with him or about him.

    You know, none that would have been allowed even in high school ball.

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    Who in their right mind.... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:36:04 AM EST
    would want to work for Jerry Jones?  Cowboy mystique or not...he's the boss from hell.

    Shanahan surely learned his lesson when he worked for Jones' chief competition in the knucklehead owner department...Al Davis.

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    Hey I would (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:08:58 AM EST
    say for $500K a year.... and he could make every decision..

    Are you coming to Tunica?  Come over and see why I hate tournaments.

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    Not gonna make it brother... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:47:11 AM EST
    the roll will not allow it...one of these days friend, one of these days.

    I would too for 500k, but Shanahan will get equally lucrative offers from less maniacal owners....why subject himself to all that drama.

    Parent

    True (none / 0) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:17:57 AM EST
    But an interesting thought....

    I was born a Cowboy fan but actually adopted the "home" team with every corporate mandated move.

    Bears... Redskins....Seahawks.... Denver....Titans

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    You might take the 500k to (none / 0) (#131)
    by scribe on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 12:56:19 PM EST
    take Jerry Jones' dictation and communicate it to the players.

    But would you continue to do that, if you got a now-national nickname of "Coach Cupcake" thrown into the bargain?

    Parent

    hey scribe (none / 0) (#16)
    by lilburro on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:49:04 PM EST
    (for some reason) I thought you were from PA?  Are you a Cowboys fan?

    Parent
    I never said where I am from, (none / 0) (#30)
    by scribe on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:08:25 PM EST
    I am most decidedly not - repeat Not - a Cowboys fan.  You might say I always cheer for whomever is playing the Cowboys.

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    hmm (none / 0) (#33)
    by lilburro on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:33:14 PM EST
    I got the impression somewhere along the line that you lived for a while in PA.  

    anyway I appreciate your football commentary :)

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    My Regard (none / 0) (#21)
    by CDN Ctzn on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:29:05 PM EST
    for the Cowboys evaporated as soon as Jerry Jones became the owner/phantom coach.

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    Watching Rachel Maddow (none / 0) (#3)
    by Lil on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:18:15 PM EST
    seems like this Burris "pick" was a terrible mess today. The stammering at the press conf. about his donations to Blago. The Congressman stepping up to the mike. I think they made Dems look stupid.

    As for Broncos, I'd like to see Shanahan end up in NY.

    Hillary and Bill? Almost makes me want to brave the cold and the crowds and head on over there.

    Between Illinois and NY and Mn. I really hope Ritter's decision is a smart one.

    I flipped on fox "news" (none / 0) (#6)
    by kenosharick on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:22:15 PM EST
    and the hysteria over the Minn. senate race continues. Everytime I see hannity, he is crying about how the Dems are "stealing" the election, ect. Tonight rich lowrey said Minn Dems are "manufacturing" votes to help Franken. The people at that network seem to have lost all touch with reality.

    your observation, (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Lil on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:26:07 PM EST
    "The people at that network seem to have lost all touch with reality." I think that ship sailed years ago.


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    Based on this (none / 0) (#11)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:38:18 PM EST
    Link I would say they have a point.

    Parent
    If you look at the whole (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by ding7777 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:11:13 PM EST
    ballot (pdf), they have no point at all

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    Well, that makes the blog he linked to (none / 0) (#38)
    by Teresa on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:14:32 PM EST
    look stupid. :)

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    Be nice to the old man.... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:40:17 AM EST
    tis the season and all.

    And this America...were you are free to believe and advocate for whatever nonsense you want:)

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    No argument there DA my man.... (none / 0) (#62)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 09:21:00 AM EST
    and we can always count on you to counter the old man...like clockwork:)

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    I seek only to serve (none / 0) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:17:10 AM EST
    DA's belief that he is all knowing.

    This Christian act is needed because he has no other life. So he rants, reframes, etc., and I just say, "Yadda yadda."

    Unfortunately he started game playing over at my blog and I had to ban him. He still hasn't forgiven me.

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    I've been often tempted... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:48:24 AM EST
    to tell you two to get a room:)

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    Love is not what I am thinking of... (none / 0) (#100)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:23:44 PM EST
    hehe (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:31:29 AM EST
    The Christian act is on my part.... as usual you pretend to not understand.

    And if commented that the sky was blue you would come up with a link noting that it was dirty brown.... in a dust storm.

    For some reason you think that such comments refute what I have written.

    ;-)

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    I have never claimed to be a "schooler" (none / 0) (#135)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:57:18 PM EST
    of the Bible....

    I see that my point that you seek only to reframe and then state, any many cases, points that have nothing to do with the comment has hit home. If you will remember, that is why I banned you from my blog.

    It is possible, you know, to actually post a comment that is uniquely yours... if such a thing exists.

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    Well, no one ever accused you (none / 0) (#137)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 11:27:52 AM EST
    of saying something in 20 well chosen words when 2000 ill chosen ones are available!

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    BTW (none / 0) (#138)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Jan 02, 2009 at 11:30:27 AM EST
    Why would I want TL to ban you?

    I enjoy watching you self destruct.

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    So???? (none / 0) (#140)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 09:29:07 AM EST
    At one time I was hopeful you would go away or at least make a comment that wasn't about "me."

    Evidently your disease has progressed and that isn't going to happen. So keep feeding your paranoia.

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    I call them as I see them. (none / 0) (#142)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 01:47:46 PM EST
    Your demonstrated total fascination with everything I write and declared intent to prove everything I write as wrong....

    If that isn't sick....

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    uhhhhhh (none / 0) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 03:28:13 PM EST
    I comment and you respond...and promise to respond no matter what....

    Yes, that indicates two things.

    1. You be sick.

    2. I have you trained.

    Jump, DA, jump!

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    All you have to do (none / 0) (#146)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 05:40:25 PM EST
    is quit responding to each and every comment I make, just like those who stalk movie stars only have to quick stalking.

    That's it. It's that simple.

    Since you won't...don't...can't... the results speak for themselves.

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    You continue to think (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Jan 03, 2009 at 07:39:01 PM EST
    that I care what you think.

    I don't. All I have done is point out your continual attacks and false claims, reframes, etc., and statements that it is your duty, etc., to police me. That indicates a sickness on your part. A very unhealthy  obsession.

    BTW - Your alter ego, Weeder Gander, was around today. Complete with making comments that were off topic, multiple references and then anger when I wouldn't agree with you.... er...him.

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    We will see (none / 0) (#150)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 10:13:58 AM EST
    if you can restrain yourself.

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    I see you can't. (none / 0) (#152)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sun Jan 04, 2009 at 05:20:43 PM EST
    yadda yadda (none / 0) (#99)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:22:54 PM EST
    Uh, you did see that (none / 0) (#101)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:29:24 PM EST
    Franken and Coleman are clearly marked.

    There is no doubt of that.

    What you do is think you know.

    There is no reason to "think." If the ballot is double marked, throw it aside.

    People too dumb to mark a ballot correctly shouldn't have someone else guessing what they meant. No one but the voter knows.

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    heh (none / 0) (#113)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:35:27 PM EST
    If two are clearly marked it is an over vote and should be trashed.

    We don't need partisan judges reading the minds of the voter.

    This one is not even close unless you find mind reading is a science.

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    You're right; that's ridiculous (none / 0) (#13)
    by Cream City on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:42:48 PM EST
    and I cannot bring myself to view many more of the ballots marked by Dems and defended by Dems, if they're like that ballot.  I looked at others online a week ago -- and my estimation of education in Minnesota declined.

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    what if that voter used X's in other (none / 0) (#32)
    by Teresa on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:30:53 PM EST
    places? That one is hard to tell.

    But look at this one challenged by Coleman as not a vote for Franken.

    I had to enlarge that one and read the challenge reason and still can't believe it.

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    Clearly (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:28:47 PM EST
    a vote for Franken. Not even remotely mysterious. Absolutely clear.

    Was this ballot set aside because of the write-ins?

    I wonder about the identity of his favorite write-in, Bubba Orange.

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    The challenge reason listed at the (none / 0) (#42)
    by Teresa on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:38:37 PM EST
    bottom of page two just says "Not Franken" and then "Distinguishing Mark". I can't figure it out at all.

    I wondered about Bubba, too!

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    What they mean to suggest (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by andgarden on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:46:13 PM EST
    is that the name written in multiple times is actually the voter's name. Don't worry, that one's sure to be counted.

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    Is it against the rules to write in one's own (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Teresa on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 12:06:37 AM EST
    name? Why would they challenge on that even if he was really Bubba Orange? He didn't write that in the Senate race.

    They'll never get through counting with these silly challenges. I'm sure many are legit but some are nuts.

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    Good grief (none / 0) (#98)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:22:27 PM EST
    The one I linked to has both Franken and Coleman marked. That is the problem. Yet the board decided it should go to Franken.


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    In the book by Jeffery Toobin (none / 0) (#23)
    by hairspray on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:43:54 PM EST
    "The Nine" he writes about the law clerks and their battle cry "they are stealing the election" in 2000. Apparently the work of deciding who won Florida deteriorated badly when the clerks became hostile and convinced the other side was "stealing" the election. The GOP thought the Florida Supreme Court was favoring the Dems and of course we all found out the Supreme Court 5 favored the Republicans.

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    I hope I live long enough (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:54:16 PM EST
    to read the real story behind Bush v. Gore.  I know that SC clerks are sworn to secrecy about their deliberations, but this decision involved the rape of our constitution and the theft of an election.

    Hopefully, some of the clerks took abundant notes and will release them for posterity at some future point.  

    A close family member of mine was a SC law clerk (not that year) and I've been soundly scolded for even suggesting that such a thing might occur.

    But that's how I feel about it.

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    Aw come on (1.00 / 5) (#35)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:44:09 PM EST
    There were multiple recounts and Bush still won.

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    Not one (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:34:09 PM EST
    of the "recounts" was ever completed including the initial mandatory recount.

    The only full recount was the media conducted recount which Gore "won."

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    The issue was that the Demos (none / 0) (#63)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:05:21 AM EST
    wanted only certain counties recounted.

    Time ran out and the game was over. Endless recounts as we see in MN, and as we saw in Washington state always seem to find enough "undiscovered" votes to let the Demo win.

    And Gore did not win.

    CNN

    The study, conducted for USA Today, The Miami Herald and Knight Ridder, officially concluded that even the most liberal recounting of ballots would have seen Gore gain only 49 votes in a full recount. While Democrats bitterly maintained that Gore would have won the 2000 presidential election had a hand recount been allowed to proceed, predicting a swing of 600 votes in Miami-Dade county alone, the study's results showed that a strict count would have actually favored Bush.

    Link

    What all this proves is that if the ballot is not exactly marked correctly it should be discarded.

    That takes judgment out of it and is fair to all parties.

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    read the link yadda yadda (none / 0) (#103)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:32:21 PM EST
    yadda yadda (1.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:39:52 PM EST
    That remains to be seen (none / 0) (#124)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:08:40 AM EST
    But I do appreciate the thought.

    May you also survive the results of Obamaism.

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    I do hope you keep yourself in shape for (none / 0) (#104)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:33:11 PM EST
    next year.

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    Your comment (none / 0) (#125)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:10:38 AM EST
    defines you. And indicates your penchant for misstatement.

    Even worse it demonstrates an obsession that verge's on the unhealthy.


    Parent

    And (none / 0) (#112)
    by cal1942 on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 07:55:09 PM EST
    that is a reference to Dade county only.

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    Of course if Gore (none / 0) (#116)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:41:11 PM EST
    had won his home state, FL wouldn't have mattered.


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    Hehe (none / 0) (#123)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:05:55 AM EST
    I am glad to see you know at least that much about the Constitution...

    Of course you try and reframe my comment so as to make a snark.

    His popularity did not extend far enough to win his home state, a state that understood him better than others. A state that knew AR politics better than others and rejected Bubba's VP, although years later than it should have.

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    Yada, yada, yada. (none / 0) (#36)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 11:04:31 PM EST
    Are you aware the many schools (none / 0) (#102)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:31:26 PM EST
    won't accept Wiki as a reference?

    Or at least that is what I am told.

    What will you do?? What will you do?

    ;-)

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    No one wants (none / 0) (#128)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 01, 2009 at 11:32:51 AM EST
    you to anything.

    I was just trying to educate you.

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    Ditto. We did find out the identity (none / 0) (#31)
    by Cream City on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 10:10:33 PM EST
    of Deep Throat.  At least, we think we did. . . .

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    Doing? (none / 0) (#12)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:38:48 PM EST
    What a Poker Player does.

    Doing? Well, under a lot of (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:47:17 PM EST
    pressure here.  Got to finish P.D. James's "The Private Patient" so as to speed read "Loving Frank" in time for Sunday's book club.  Thought I had another week!  Not to mention, 5 more discs of the abridged "Team of Rivals" (no deadline).  

    Somewhere in my mind (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by lilburro on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 08:50:50 PM EST
    Barack Obama, Rick Warren, and Doris Kearns Goodwin have joined hands and are dancing in a circle together, madly happy about book sales.

    But only in my mind...right?

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    Need to check "same store sales." (none / 0) (#18)
    by oculus on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:03:59 PM EST
    THe only one I actually bought was "Loving Frank" in paperback, due to emergency constraints.

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    Gotta say that I'm sorry (none / 0) (#20)
    by Radiowalla on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:19:20 PM EST
    about Diane DeGette's decision.  I thought she would make a terrific senator.

    Another Aspect of the Crisis in the Gaza (none / 0) (#27)
    by CDN Ctzn on Tue Dec 30, 2008 at 09:59:38 PM EST
    Check out this article in the Guardian UK:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/31/israel-gaza-palestinians

    In all the finger pointing we tend to forget that while we pontificate on the issue, lives are being lost!

    Bill and Hill in Times Square.... (none / 0) (#59)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 08:55:34 AM EST
    I pity the fools joining them...as if the army of NYPD mercenaries wasn't bad enough, add in the secret service and its a police state nightmare.

    I'll be downtown...far enough away to have relatively paranoia free fun, but close enough to feel the energy of revelry.

    Party for me too, Kdog. (none / 0) (#65)
    by vml68 on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:12:37 AM EST
    I had the same thought when I read that Hill and Bill would be there. So, I will be sitting at home watching a movie. I am feeling too mellow to appreciate all the energy from the revelry today.  

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    I normally lay low on New Years... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:52:01 AM EST
    friends at the crib with assorted party favors is my usual...but I have some friends from outta town staying with me, first time in NY...gotta take them to the city, but if they want Times Square they are on their own...you couldn't pay me to go and surely end up with a summons...or worse, a night in a cage.  To quote Sgt. Murtaugh..."I'm gettin' too old for that sh*t"

    I surely raise a glass for you my dear:)

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    Well (none / 0) (#74)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 10:58:40 AM EST
    it's conventional wisdom around New York that Times Square on New Year's is for tourists.  I mean, I don't know a single local that goes, or at least makes a habit of going.  I mean, it's a mob scene and well, let's just say the excretory issues should be obvious to anyone.  I don't know who would want to do that as opposed to hanging out with friends at home, except for people who see NYC as a big novelty.

    Having said that, I have to think that consuming enough alcohol would make one much less concerned about the whole police-state aspect, up until the point where they haul you off of course.

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    I agree it is for the tourists... (none / 0) (#77)
    by vml68 on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 11:12:52 AM EST
    the BF thinks we should do the Times Square thing at least once in our lifetime. I tried it once a few years back and lasted about half an hour.

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    Yeah... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 01:58:18 PM EST
    enough booze and you become oblivious to everything, eight down to your own behavior.

    As for other intoxicants, some tune you in to the wall of blue around and amongst you....not my idea of fun.

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    It is a Cage (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 02:02:20 PM EST
    Rudy's gift to NYC, public assembly in a ready made cage..

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    New Year Cassoulet (none / 0) (#86)
    by squeaky on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 02:09:56 PM EST
    yummie....

    Is the cassoulet perhaps a slow cooker (none / 0) (#92)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 03:59:11 PM EST
    creation?  If so, how about sharing your recipe.  

    P.S.  My friends and I went on a barge trip in early April on the Canal du Midi in Langedoc, France a few years ago.  We met in Carcassonne--really, really cold and windy.  We still talk about the weather and the cassoulet.  

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    Oh My (none / 0) (#97)
    by squeaky on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 05:20:30 PM EST
    Carcassonne, some of my fondest memories are from a romantic trip there. And I think it was the first time I had cassoulet.. mmmmm good.

    I am using this recipe for basics and messing around. Adding chorizo and merguez sausage and three different types of beans. Aduki, navy and haricots blancs soissions that have already been cooked in goose fat.  Should be yummy.

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    Thanks. (none / 0) (#106)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 31, 2008 at 06:12:20 PM EST