Fineman took his hobby horse for a ride in a new direction, not content to just say how bad the Clintons are, he now says Hillary is not really in charge, just a ventriloquist's dummy for Bill.

How can they not see that as sexist?

And Olbermann approvingly nodding, saying nary a word to contradict or object. It shows he isn't any different from Matthews, he is just more subtle in his approach to sexism.

The Frat Boy Club is still in session on MSNBC.

I do watch Dan Abrams more often now, I don't always agree with him but I don't see the deliberate twisting of the news to make a narrative against Hillary.

You know when Bill Clinton was running in 1992, there was a print interview with him that I still remember.  

Everyone was saying, he is slick, he'll say anything to be elected, and sure, even though I liked his positions on issues, he sounded like a typical politician to me.

But there was one question that I thought this is Bill himself speaking, and that was about Hillary.  Bill was asked, "Is Hillary fair game?"

His answer was (quoting from memory), "Well, it doesn't matter that she is or not.  Republican have decided to make her an issue."  He continued, "Look, if this was not my wife, people would be throwing accolades at her for the things she had accomplished.  But if you are somebody's wife, you are not supposed to have a mind.  I think it's crazy."  

Say what you will about Bill Clinton's flaws.  The guy is truely liberated when it comes to respecting a woman's intellect.  He has had strong women around him all his life.  

In some ways, it's good not to be hypersensitive, but I wish that it were less acceptable.

add the "ventriloquest's dummy" to sen. clinton, and you've got an all around "fake" person. kevin mccarthy's evil female twin pod person, "skippy" sen. clinton.

Her tears and everything, masterminded by Ole Bill.

I have grown to accept that. The part I can't accept is the excuses for these attitudes from my fellow Democrats who support Obama. This really steams me. And of course, many of the excuses are preceded by "I'm a feminist, BUT..." or "I'm a woman, but frankly I don't see (insert sexist episode here)". By tolerating the sexism they allow the media to become emboldened and do it even more. And the people who are tolerating and trying to marginalize the complaints of sexism are the Democrats!

But then, I don't think it is the case that they don't see it.  It is simply that Obama is benefitting from it, and so that makes it okay.  Ends, meet means.  

There are a few on this site and across the blogosphere who both A)support Obama; and B) recognize and call out the sexist attacks on Clinton.  

MKS.

That, I think, is all one has to say about our most curious cultural landscape and how race and sex factors into it.

As far as it's a factor, and one can argue it's not, that people are smarter and more tolerant than that, or one can have a more cynical view of people, if one chooses the second option, I think it's pretty clear America is going to accept a black man as executive sooner than a woman.

"24" is another datapoint.

Fineman's comment doesn't surprise me or bother me.

I'm a Clinton supporter who's willing to be fair about this, and while I think Hillary is a stronger candidate than Obama, I do not hesitate to say she is running on what I call the "Clinton Brand,"  for better or worse.

She is embracing what Gore chose not to embrace in 2000.

It is what it is.  Fineman is pointless.

While I appreciate the witty responses to the trolling, we have a zero tolerance to chattering trolls and thus must not reward them with responses.