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SNL's Obama Love Debate Skit

By Big Tent Democrat

Yes, I know this means SNL is so not cool anymore and that this is not funny and so on. Longer segment here. Now available at the NBC SNL site.

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    There was a dkos conniption over it (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:44:37 AM EST
    frankly, SNL had a real problem in that they couldn't make it an MSNBC debate.

    Funny, but even funnier to see (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:52:39 AM EST
    NBC make fun of CNN for their Obama love.

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    How Dare They (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Athena on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:05:49 PM EST
    Yes, the Daily Frat is hysterical over the "audacity" of SNL.  This very minimal poke by SNL at the MSM could not begin to make up for the wildly imbalanced coverage of this primary season toward Obama.

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    longer video link here. (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:45:50 AM EST
    Full SNL debate link

    Watch all of it.  Hysterically funny, and it has the obama girl segment too.


    Get your B*tch is Black gear (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by RalphB on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:48:57 AM EST
    buttons, t-shirts ...

    link

    Ugh (1.00 / 1) (#70)
    by manys on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:05:59 PM EST
    Those are terrible. Bloggers should not attempt design.

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    They look good to me. (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:23:47 PM EST
    Those are the only ones I saw (none / 0) (#80)
    by RalphB on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:14:12 PM EST
    this morning.  Hopefully there will be better.

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    Huckabee is pretty funny! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:49:41 AM EST
    Huckabee on SNL

    He is really funny!!

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:03:05 PM EST
    that was pretty good.

    He is certainly a very likable guy.  Too bad he loaded up on teh crazy.

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    CNN Skit (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Grey on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:52:49 AM EST
    That skit was so spot-on it was ridiculous!

    Thank God for SNL and Tina Fey.

    As BC has said (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by NJDem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:57:43 AM EST
    he/we may not agree with Huckabee, but he has a great sense of humor and is a great story teller.  His policies are more scary than GWB, but I actually find him likable, where I never understood shrub's appeal.  

    And I can't help but get a kick out of him jamming with a band before his stump speech.  As someone else said, 'that must have been some music teacher in Hope, AK.'

    I know (none / 0) (#18)
    by Nasarius on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:06:15 PM EST
    He was fantastic on his several Colbert appearances as well. It was a little scary there for a few weeks when it looked like he might win, but then the media crushed him. His economic populism and genuinely likable manner would have made him perhaps even more formidable than McCain as a GE opponent. We're still in for some trouble if he's the VP nominee.

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    Too bad (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:14:38 PM EST
    he's still carrying the crazy christian torch. Of course, his other ideas might be equally nuts, I don't really know.

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    Yes. (none / 0) (#124)
    by oldpro on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:35:24 PM EST
    Like nailing a 'going out of business sign' on the door of the IRS when he's elected.

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    I'm a woman (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:02:14 PM EST
    and I completely disagree.

    "Ramos" (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Nasarius on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:04:23 PM EST
    Was long-winded, but the bit about him vandalizing Hillary yard signs made it all worthwhile.

    Yeah (none / 0) (#17)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:06:07 PM EST
    that was actually kinda amusing.  And there was a couple of other moments that were slightly amusing.

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    Especially (none / 0) (#92)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:26:16 PM EST
    since he reached over and tried to grab her hand and she refused. It was parody on her handshake at the end of the TX debate and on The Snub.

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    Eye of the beholder (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by frankly0 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:08:02 PM EST
    Odd how Obama supporters can't find the skit funny. Maybe because they don't think important, taboo truths are being revealed? Just guessing, of course.

    I, on the other hand, find the catch phrases "Fired up. Ready to go" and "Yes, we can" to be trite, pedestrian, and juvenile. Many Obama supporters seem to disagree.

    Again, eye of the beholder.

    Right (none / 0) (#22)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:12:11 PM EST
    So because you agree with the political point, you find it funny.

    This is exactly why the Right never seems to have funny people.  Because every time they trot out some new funny guy, his jokes are obviously tired and strained.  Like that Fox News ripoff of the Comedy Central.  Hellbent on scoring political points rather than being funny.

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    Um (none / 0) (#50)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:30:04 PM EST
    that is pretty standard and please do not act surprised by it. You lose credibility points.

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    The overwhlemingly positive reaction to SNL's (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by NJDem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:12:34 PM EST
    skits shows me that it spoke to the 'silent majority' who have been witnessing the MSN's bias--as well as that of the Daily Show and Bill Maher.  

    This is the first political satire to hit home with so many people--you don't see this kind of reaction to the skits making fun of HRC on the shows I mentioned above.  

    Pushback (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Athena on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:23:13 PM EST
    NJ, excellent point.  This is the first pushback we have seen from any mainstream outlet.  Thanks, Tina Fey.

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    The bias of the Daily Show? (none / 0) (#28)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:15:27 PM EST
    Are you serious?  I watch that show almost every night and I certainly don't see any bias towards either candidate.

    You guys are starting to sound like Republicans with your constant braying about media bias and silent majorities.

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    No pejoratives (none / 0) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:17:04 PM EST
    You promised.

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    Honestly (none / 0) (#56)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:37:57 PM EST
    I wasn't trying to be obnoxious there.  And I wasn't  using it as a pejorative.  The media bias thing is a sore spot for me because I have been jumping on the Conservatives over a Red State for years over their victimhood regarding media bias.    

    But I can see your point.  I didn't mean to suggest that anyone here is a Republican.

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    did you see the episode (none / 0) (#36)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:21:19 PM EST
    where Stewart waxed poetic about an Obama/McCain match-up being a civil debate between great men and a pabulum for our nation after all the discord we've experienced?

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    To Peggy Noonan... (none / 0) (#170)
    by AmyinSC on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 09:43:02 PM EST
    No less.  Yes, I saw that one, too.  

    He also was one of the few to show the ORIGINAL Bill Clinton video in which it was crystal clear that Bill's "fairy tale" comment was in relation to Obama's Iraq war vote, but a week or so later, he did the truncated version favored by the MSM that made it look like he was talking abt Obama's candidacy.  It has been downhill since then, and I have been a FAITHFUL viewer of The Daily Show since before Bush was installed...

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    Seriously (none / 0) (#82)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:15:30 PM EST
    I quit watching Jon Stewart two months ago and I'll never go back to it. Another Obama toady.

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    I know bad Daily Shows (none / 0) (#129)
    by nycvoter on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:58:34 PM EST
    I've stopped watching him too, I'm so sad

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    What was really funny at dKos (5.00 / 6) (#40)
    by Jim J on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:23:45 PM EST
    was how excited they were about the upcoming SNL episode and about the "new" Obama impersonator. They had a special "countdown to SNL" thread so they could all breathlessly await the unveiling.

    I checked back on the same thread after the skit, and they were all, "SNL hasn't been funny for thirty years," and "that guy sucked" and "Clinton News Network."

    Funny, weird people. I hate to say it, but it is the fever swamp the right wing says it is.

    Borderline "on topic" wise (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:33:43 PM EST
    but if you really want to go down the rabbit hole read the comments here.

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    So the words that made them angry two (5.00 / 4) (#62)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:49:53 PM EST
    years ago, now inspire them so much. They wanted fighting Dems and now they want a unifier/compromiser. It's funny (but sad) how much that place has changed.

    The icing on the cake to me was how dare Hillary fight back on those mailers. If only Gore and Kerry had done the same. Georgia10 wrote a front page post about it. She doesn't see the value in fighting back anymore?

    If Obama is for it, they are for it. If Hillary is for it, they are against it even if it something they formerly supported.

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    Georgia's post (5.00 / 6) (#76)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:11:13 PM EST
    is a self parody of the Obama Rules.

    Every Obama attack is pure and just.

    Any answer to an Obama attack is mean, unfair and outrageous.

    That Obama mouthed RW talking points is not a problem.

    I tell you tht Come January 2009, DKos will write a FP post title "Social Security IS in Crisis." Matt Stoller will open a blog THEREISACRISIS.

    It is remarkable and surreal,.

     

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    To be fair to Stoller (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:23:09 PM EST
    he actually complemented Hillary on her attack yesterday.

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    My apologies to Stoller then (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:34:41 PM EST
    I used him because he had the great THEREISNOCRISIS site.

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    yup (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:37:06 PM EST
    Well she's here now (none / 0) (#161)
    by diplomatic on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:11:23 PM EST
    It may have come just in time.  This is why it's important she wins TX and OH so she will then have a month to really examine Obama in this new light.

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    So The Piece Was Okay... (none / 0) (#171)
    by AmyinSC on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 09:51:41 PM EST
    But then I made the mistake of reading some of the comments, including severak from Jewish Jake who included a lot of misinformation on Clinton, like the alleged quote from Newsday regarding her NAFTA stance, a quote Newsday has called false.  But hey - why let facts influence opinions??  Ahem.  I'll be more careful next time to just read the piece and not waste any more time.

    The SNL piece was great, and Tina Fey is outstanding!  I love her!

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    And wrote the post BTD linked to (none / 0) (#94)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:29:01 PM EST
    yesterday about Obama not defending being a liberal. Who would have thought he'd be the one with a little sense left? Did he support Edwards initially?

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    I think he linked to Bowers yesterday (5.00 / 3) (#96)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:30:41 PM EST
    In the event, I think it's funny that Hillary's political style is much closer to what the netroots claimed to want recently than Obama's. It's all out the window now.

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    Sorry, I always get those two mixed up. (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:44:00 PM EST
    They are what they preached against before. (5.00 / 4) (#93)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:26:38 PM EST
    I checked and I have six posts there in the last two weeks. All on Iraq diaries. I used to be really angry about it but now I'm just sad.

    Their loyalty is not to the Democratic party anymore. It's only for Obama.

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    Yeppers (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:35:15 PM EST
    Their credibility is down the tubes.  I used to think of them as a reasonable information source, but now that they've colored themselves with EXTRAORDINARY bias, everything they'll write from here on in will be suspect.

    Maybe they've decided that the Faux News Model is a good thing after all?

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    Georgia10 is pathetic (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:02:26 PM EST
    like almost every other front pager on that cesspool  (OK, platinum page and brownsox are exceptions).  

    I quickly read her post.  She doesn't address even once whether Hillary was justified in her anger.  It would have been very easy to just state which candidate was truthful, and which one was lying.

    Instead, we have a shrill screaming by georgia10, yelling at Hillary and saying, "how dare you criticize Obama?"

    georgia10, go cheney yourself!


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    Georgia10 us great (5.00 / 2) (#114)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:14:17 PM EST
    THAT post is bad.

    Please understand the difference.

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    I am sorry. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:27:10 PM EST
    But I am outraged, and I've had it with these people.  With bloggers who have lent a helping hand to the trashing of Hillary Clinton, to aiding a misogenyst media campaign against her (not to say anything of her opponents).  

    Well, to tell you the truth, I don't know the frontpager's history very well, and you can't blame me.  I have stopped reading anything on the front page of that blog.  Sometimes, I glance at it quickly, but mostly I avoid it.  They are by and large, intellectually dishonest to the extreme, and are cheerleaders.  

    Well, Markos voted for Obama b/c "he couldn't stand Terry McAuliff" (Obama is apparently Pure!(TM)), and Kevin Drum did b/c "Paul Krugman has become too shrill".  We are depending on them for our opinions.    

    So, really forgive me if I used this blog to vent and fly off the handle.  


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    I (none / 0) (#85)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:20:57 PM EST
    believe Hillary needed to go after Obama and she waited until now because it's the last stand. The media has been beating up on her no matter what, so might as well call him out before the next primaries.

    The more I think about it, the more I think if the Republicans are going to guarantee the Dem nomination for Obama, then the non-Obama Dems should organize an independent party. The time is ripe.  Parties do come and go and it's been 150 years since one of them splintered.

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    Cool--where do I sign up? (none / 0) (#123)
    by IndyCatherine on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:32:22 PM EST
    I'm an Independent, not a Dem, but if there was a non-Obama splinter group, I'd consider joining a new party...:-)

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    If we could take back the name Dem (none / 0) (#130)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:01:58 PM EST
    I'd join the group.  I've been saying for some time that the Obama group felt like a third party within the party.

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    They gotta keep feeding the anger (none / 0) (#122)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:29:15 PM EST
    Because if the anger stops, people might stop and pay attention to the candidate...and realize that he is just another politician, not anything special.

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    MY LIST ... (none / 0) (#146)
    by Robot Porter on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:23:57 PM EST
    FOR OBAMA PRESIDENCY DKOS DIARIES (which I posted on Dkos) were:

    "The Joys of Nuclear Power"

    "What's wrong with usury?"

    "We're better off without healthcare"

    "Pay for your own damn tuition!"

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    More Obama centrism (none / 0) (#158)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:55:56 PM EST
    Some may not think that a bad thing.....

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    A bit of an over-generalization, don't you think? (none / 0) (#63)
    by A DC Wonk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:53:49 PM EST
    I find things to support, and oppose, from both Obama and Clinton.  I'm not the only one.

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    It's an over-generalization for all Obama (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by Teresa on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:59:57 PM EST
    supporters but not for the majority on that site. I've been there since 2004 and it us totally upside down from where they used to be.

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    WRONG (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by manys on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:03:05 PM EST
    You have to figure out who you're going to support first, then you figure out how to support everything they stand for and how it's so radically different than what any other candidate has to offer. Then you use that to lionize whatever team you've chosen and denigrate everybody else. It's simple.

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    Well (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:11:58 PM EST
    since you are very representative, that should end the discussion.

    Puhleeeaze.

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    Just (none / 0) (#84)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:18:04 PM EST
    gotta think the Obama fever is a generational thing, for the most part. We do have friends who are big Bill Maher fans and act as crazy over Obama as the tweenies.  I have never cared for Bill Maher since it became publicly known that he was dating Ann Coulter. In my opinion, there is just no excuse for that, saying on tv that you hate the neoCons and then dating the worst of the bunch. Made me think he's a fake.

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    I said this on the open thread (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:39:39 PM EST
    Funny how only now are people at HuffPo and Kos upset about the use of the b-word.  All the Matthews/Shuster/MoDo misogynistic crap was fine, but now that Tina Fey owns the word and uses it in support of Clinton, it is the end of the frackin' WORLD.

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    Matthews/Shuster/MoDo misogynistic crap (none / 0) (#64)
    by A DC Wonk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:54:51 PM EST
    ... was not fine.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:29:13 PM EST
    It's the most spot-on comedy piece I've seen (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by stillife on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:25:02 PM EST
    since Colbert skewered the press at that dinner in DC a couple of years ago.

    You are remarkably consistent on (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by RalphB on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:42:00 PM EST
    the subject of language, but sometimes if a word is going to be used as a weapon against you, you've gotta take it for yourself.

    Richard Pryor taking ownership of the N-word seems to be an appropriate example of Tina Fey taking ownership of the B-word.  If you OWN it, it's use can be marginalized.


    Yes, Pryor (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by NJDem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:06:02 PM EST
    later in life spoke against using the word.  

    But I believe the one who first "owned" the N-word to take away it's power from white people was Dick Gregory (the same one from the State of the Black Union) who titled his biography the N-word.  

    His comments on Africa were so touching (none / 0) (#118)
    by Ellie on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:19:45 PM EST
    He talked about how, at home, he'd be having a heated debate on (fill in the topic) with someone and then out of the blue they just call him a n* and RP would just go, "Aw, sh*t." [The tension of waiting for that was part of this undefinable uptightness that was with him ALL THE TIME.]

    When he was in Africa he was totally relaxed and joyful and he couldn't figure what it was ... not so much that there were so many black people, but that there were no n*'s.

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    Thanks, I thought of him and almost (none / 0) (#131)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:05:52 PM EST
    named him for that, too, but wasn't sure.

    My father voted for Dick Gregory, btw, back in the day.  I was raised by some interesting folks. :-)  And Gregory just was back in Milwaukee recently, still going strong -- as he was at the State of the Black Union event yesterday, wow.  He looks almost Biblical these days, and still sounds like it, too.

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    This (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:13:23 PM EST
    skit was hilariously funny. "but at the end of the school year you knew what the capitol of Vermont was." If only teachers had a system that let them cram that info into the heads of students today. I really think that's the divide between baby boomers and Gen X.  We have Gen Xers and we both teach. Students in college today don't have 1/2 the general knowledge we had coming out of secondary school.

    T-shirts (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:22:57 PM EST
    would be good and I firmly believe her campaign has missed a great opportunity to offer "Hillary Headbands." She was known for the headband when Bill first got in office. Those things are hugely popular again.  Her people could embroider slogans on them and sell them to raise funds.

    Yes, they have. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:06:45 PM EST
    Am too lazy to find link.  But, it's been posted here in the comments and on TaylorMarsh as well.

    Defining COOL as a Progressive Tool (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:56:31 PM EST
    ******************

    Let's define COOL: being cool is about being avant garde; it's about being on the leading edge vs. trailing along behind the mob. Ergo, it isn't about following trends; it's about taking the risk of being unpopular (aka uncool) and having the balls to question existing trends.

    By that definition, Jon Stewart et al are not cool and neither was SNL until last night.

    Last night, SNL, the once venerable arbiter of cool, made the definitive point that when something 'cool', like Obamania, goes virally mainstream it's no longer cool: no longer bold, or fresh, or daring, or original - it's group think.

    The Obama skit was great, but the brass balls award goes to the SNL Weekend Update skit with Tina Fey.

    Tina Fey did the penultimate cool thing - she took the most stigmatized, uncool, position in America - she supported Hillary Clinton.

    It was a kick when Tina reclaimed and redefined the word b*tch: "B*TCHS GET S*IT DONE".

    But the biggest punchline of the night came when Tina did a brillaint new twist, and double entendre, on the old saying that such and such is the "new black". She ended the segment with a clarion call that you can put on a t-shirt:

    "B*ITCH IS THE NEW BLACK".

    I am surprised that (none / 0) (#137)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:30:51 PM EST
    Hillary supporters are okay with calling Hillary a b*tch....regardless of the irony intended....

    The whole premise that Hillary is a b*tch like a nun who forces you to memorize the capital of Idaho, or whatever state it was, just seemed to reinforce the damning stereotype of Hillary...(Who cares about memorizing capitals?  Petty, inconsequential information force-fed.)

    B*tch is the new black--I'm not sure the joke isn't on those claiming sexism.....It could be taken a number of different ways.....The lines were recited with Colbert-like and unknowing irony, as in, this a stupid thing to say...

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    I hate to say it but... (none / 0) (#155)
    by delandjim on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:49:45 PM EST
    I hate to say it but it does depend on the context.
    It can be either derogatory or respect. Sounds odd but like she said "b*tches get sh*t done"

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    Nuns, nuns, nuns (none / 0) (#160)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:06:11 PM EST
    Getting sh*t done means mean nuns forcing kids to learn inconsequential trivia.....

    That view of getting sh*t done actually mocks the view that strong women matter.....So, on one level, SNL is taking a shot at what you guys are saying here...

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    "inconsequential trivia" (none / 0) (#176)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:26:39 AM EST

    is the new phrase for the upcoming generation who don't know American state capitals due to laziness, pettiness and dismissive attitudes towards facts.

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    Corrected: Defining COOL as a Progressive Tool (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:14:25 PM EST
    ******************
    Sorry, I accidentally broke the 'no bad words' rule in the last line of the previous post - I'm reposting with the offending word corrected (see "b*tch).

    Let's define COOL: being cool is about being avant garde; it's about being on the leading edge vs. trailing along behind the mob. Ergo, it isn't about following trends; it's about taking the risk of being unpopular (aka uncool) and having the balls to question existing trends.

    By that definition, Jon Stewart et al are not cool and neither was SNL until last night.

    Last night, SNL, the once venerable arbiter of cool, resurrected itself and made a definitive, highly relevant point: when something 'cool', like Obamania, goes virally mainstream it's no longer cool: no longer bold, or fresh, or daring, or original - it's group think.

    The Obama skit was great, but the brass balls award goes to the SNL Weekend Update skit with Tina Fey.

    Tina Fey did the penultimate cool thing - she took the most stigmatized, uncool, position in America - she supported Hillary Clinton.

    It was a kick when Tina reclaimed and redefined the word b*tch: "B*TCHS GET S*IT DONE".

    But the biggest punchline of the night came when Tina did a brillaint new twist, and double entendre, on the old saying that such and such is the "new black". She ended the segment with a clarion call that you can put on a t-shirt:

    "B*TCH IS THE NEW BLACK".

    The percentage of (1.00 / 1) (#174)
    by BrandingIron on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:18:32 AM EST
    bad designs versus the percentage of good design on CafePress is astonishing (especially in the political category).  The better designers are at SpreadShirt.  And I am a designer.

    Web designers are different from product designers, BTW, which would explain why so many web designers come to us identity designers to design their logos.

    A WEB DESIGNER/PRODUCT DESIGNER/GRAPHIC DESIGNER.. (none / 0) (#175)
    by gigglechick on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 12:23:40 AM EST
    actually, first and foremost, I was a product designer (industrial design) that also does graphic design and began designing for the web in 1997.

    sooooo... i guess i am a jack(ette) of all design trades, BrandingIron.

    don't really need to go to others for my "branding needs".

    ____________
    gigglechickinteractive.com

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    Yep (none / 0) (#10)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:00:38 PM EST
    SNL is so not cool.

    I have no idea (none / 0) (#15)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:05:10 PM EST
    whether SNL is cool or not.  I haven't watched it in years.  Mainly because I got tired of watching a show for a an hour that had, at most, one funny skit.

    Just because you found the political point agreeable doesn't make the skit funny.  

    The guy playing Obama was utterly unimpressive.

    But thank you for trying to marginalize my opinion.

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    I was agreeing with you (none / 0) (#21)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:10:32 PM EST
    You are taking this hard I see.

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    OK (none / 0) (#25)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:13:14 PM EST
    I inferred a sense of patronization. If that was not the case, I apologize.

    I'm not taking it hard at all.  I certainly don't much care what SNL does.

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    It seems you care a lot (none / 0) (#34)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:20:17 PM EST
    You are better when you can keep some distance from the subject. As we all are.

    I think on this you have not.

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    This is true (none / 0) (#46)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:28:51 PM EST
    Honestly this is not an issue I really care much about at all.  This just happened to be the topic of the day.  

    I guess I was a little disappointed in the Tina Fey skit since I have a bit of a crush on her.  Oh well.  No one's perfect. :)

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    Including YOU, dear. (none / 0) (#104)
    by auntmo on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:41:35 PM EST
    I thought Fred Armisen was pretty good (none / 0) (#58)
    by vj on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:38:36 PM EST
    He looked funny anyway.  He doesn't have the speaking voice down though.  He'll have to keep working on his Obama impression.

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    not if Obama goes back to being a Jr. Senator (none / 0) (#132)
    by nycvoter on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:08:49 PM EST
    then we won't have to see a lot of Obama skits, and that's what I'm hoping for!

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    You can bet Fred Armisen (none / 0) (#169)
    by vj on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 08:48:23 PM EST
    Is hoping Obama wins.

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    SNL really isn't cool (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:12:15 PM EST
    and this segment was only so-so, but I thought the point was valid.

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    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:19:32 PM EST
    But I am no arbiter of cool.

    I know I have not watched it for a long time.

    But THIS POINT is totally valid.

    Whether it was funny? Eh.

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    Am I (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:25:12 PM EST
    hearing that the Obama Gen Xers now get to decide what's cool?  Made my point.

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    This shows how totally uncool I am (none / 0) (#61)
    by vj on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:42:34 PM EST
    I watch SNL to get a sense of American pop culture.  It's how I find out about the new musical acts, movies, personalities, and tv shows.

    I wouldn't even know who Nancy Grace was, if not for Amy Poehler on SNL.

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    Also... (none / 0) (#73)
    by manys on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:08:01 PM EST
    It's cool to say "SNL is not cool."

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    I guess (none / 0) (#19)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:07:13 PM EST
    Kinda reminds me of how African-American males justify their use of the N word.  

    fly...oh, so NOW (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:13:42 PM EST
    you're a feminist.

    God, this is just too rich.

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    It is funny indeed (none / 0) (#32)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:18:40 PM EST
    Nope (none / 0) (#35)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:20:22 PM EST
    I am not a feminist.  I don't buy into many isms.  Most isms are nothing more than a group of people trying to push for more power.

    I believe in equality of all people.  I believe in laws that enforce that equality.  

    I don't believe in label wars in which people look for reasons to get outraged.  I don't believe in trying to intimidate others by accusing them of being racist or sexist or homophobic or whatever label you wish to use to stifle their opinions.  Yes there are real bigots in this world.  Yes I find Chris Matthews to be sexist, perhaps even a misogynist.  But tossing that term around to bully people is unreasonable.

    On the night of the Wisconsin primary a former Hillary PR person, a woman, said that it was time for Hillary to "show a little leg". Imagine my surprise when there was a front page condemnation of her being sexist.  

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    fly (none / 0) (#38)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:22:38 PM EST
    do you read your own posts?

    I am beginning to wonder if you have a split personality.  

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    I am very clear (none / 0) (#44)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:26:53 PM EST
    I don't think you guys realize how often you assign beliefs to Obama supporters.  

    I do think that many of you find sexism in even the most innocuous comments.  If a Obama supporter even references gender you assume there is some underlying sexism at work.

    Constantly accusing someone of being a sexist simply diminishes the value of the word.

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    I agree that "periodically feeling down" (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:29:11 PM EST
    would not even have been a blip on my radar -- if it had not followed from so many, many so-subtle sexist comments.  As in the court of law, so with the court of women's opinion: patterns of behavior matter.

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    That's reasonable enough (none / 0) (#53)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:33:41 PM EST
    But understand that every time an accusation of bigotry occurs in which the non-affected groups have trouble seeing it, the less impact the charge has.

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    But understand that the impact on women (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:01:04 PM EST
    which appears to be increasing with every sexist comment would counter your conclusion.  And as women are by far the Dem voters, that impact matters.

    If the "non-affected" groups can't see it, no surprise -- I presume you mean men -- they're the minority in the party.  The lesser impact on a lesser group would matter much less.

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    Non-affected groups (none / 0) (#72)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:06:08 PM EST
    are men and quite a large swath of women who don't necessarily define things along gender lines.  And when those who do see sexism behind every rock, make these accusations, it is these women, along with most men, who get turned off to the entire argument.

    I find your 2nd paragraph needlessly dismissive.  To suggest that men are the minority in the Democratic Party is bordering on silly.  A small numerical advantage means very little.  

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    HAHAHAHA!!! (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:13:07 PM EST
    To suggest that men are the minority in the Democratic Party is bordering on silly.  A small numerical advantage means very little.

    Thanks for that one.  I needed a good laugh before going to the gym.
     

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    I'm glad I can give you a laugh (none / 0) (#86)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:22:34 PM EST
    What's even more laughable is the notion that because there is a slight numerical advantage for women in the Democratic Party, that means something.

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    You really ougha research (none / 0) (#119)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:20:25 PM EST
    the numbers.  A "slight numerical advantage" for more than a quarter of a century, and now reaching as much as a 10-point spread of 55% women to 45% men.  Yeh, who needs us, even "slightly"?  


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    slight numerical advantages (none / 0) (#157)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:54:38 PM EST
    are only statistically significant when they go for Obama.

    (I suppose I should point out somewhere that on Super Tuesday, 59% of all voters were women...)

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    Say what? (none / 0) (#29)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:15:51 PM EST
    Now you are marginalizing the African American women who also defend the use of the N-word. :)

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    Was it funny when Richord Pryor (none / 0) (#45)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:27:09 PM EST
    took ownership of the N word?  Or were you more of a Bill Cosby fan?  I always have been, but I understand what Pryor was doing.  And it made a difference -- I was in a primarily AA and male workplace then -- to a lot of AA males, it seemed.

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    Are you talking (none / 0) (#52)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:31:39 PM EST
    about the Dead Honky Skit?  That was pretty funny.

    But that was 25 years ago.  Back then the use of the N word in AA circles wasn't nearly as common.  

    Today it is ubiquitous.  And it could be argued that Richard Pryor's use of the word helped it become pervasive.

    I don't like words that are considered acceptable only when used by the affected class.

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    If I recall correctly (none / 0) (#65)
    by A DC Wonk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:58:31 PM EST
    Pryor, in his later years, after visiting Africa, came to regret his own words on this.

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    I'll tell what is funny. (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:22:32 PM EST
    Reading the back and forth in these comments w/o watching SNL.

    To be clear (none / 0) (#41)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:23:53 PM EST
    I generally don't look for bigotry.  Usually when it appears it is clear as day.  When I need to look for it, there is a risk I am simply creating it.

    When you have pointed to clear examples of bigoted language, such Matthews constant barrage or Shuster's comment, I agreed with you although I may not actively discuss the matter.  

    On other points that require the listener to want to hear bias, such as Obama's "periodically" comment, I disagree.

    You looked for it here (none / 0) (#51)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:31:21 PM EST
    Look, I think you are a candidate partisan and it shows.

    As it happens, I am a speech partisan and it shows in all my posts on the subject, whether good for Clinton or Obama.

    My record is more consistent than yours.

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    OK (none / 0) (#55)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:35:11 PM EST
    I can't speak to who is more consistent.  I think I am very consistent in my views.  I am also willing to chide Obama when I feel he is doing something I don't agree with.

    But I try to be as fair as I can be, even though I am an unabashed Obama supporter.

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    Spoof (none / 0) (#43)
    by 1jane on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:25:07 PM EST
    Satire always includes an element of truth. The tactical error of relying on Clinton's experience:less than Dodd or Biden and a little more than Obama combined with going negative are ending her last days as a candidate on a sour note.

    Looking forward to more laughs from SNL!

    Huh? I really try to read (none / 0) (#167)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:03:31 PM EST
    your comments but this is another one that loops somewhere I can't follow.

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    In terms of the Daily Show (none / 0) (#49)
    by NJDem on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:29:41 PM EST
    which I normally love--it's not just biased towards BO regarding what they say about him--it's the fact that they haven't taken advantage of the great political fodder that would be critical of BO--like the fainting spells, cult of personality, and plagiarism stories.

    SNL was great, but I was hoping for a Hardball sketch playing on Matthews "tingle up the leg" comment.  Now THAT would have been funny!

    Yeah, you would think (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:30:59 PM EST
    that would be good comedy fodder...but of course the fact that it's ignored, shows the extraordinary bias.

    I don't watch Stewart anymore either, nor Colbert, nor Olbermann.

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    Writers strike (none / 0) (#145)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:20:54 PM EST
    They have been gone awhile.....so, they missed a lot....

    SNL did pretty good lampooning the CNN people---Matthews didn't really fit in there....

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    seems to me that ever since Rather (none / 0) (#57)
    by Kathy on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:38:19 PM EST
    chided Stewart for being so hard on Matthews, the show has gone downhill.

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    very well said. (none / 0) (#116)
    by ghost2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:17:52 PM EST
    good observation.  Sometimes, silence speaks volumes.

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    Watched (none / 0) (#75)
    by tek on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:09:59 PM EST
    this on their web site. It was hilarious and too true. I'm glad SNL is doing some good political skits because I stopped watching Stewart two months ago.

    Someone has a link up above on where to buy them. (none / 0) (#83)
    by derridog on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:17:34 PM EST
    Didn't take long. I think it's a great idea. I'm going to get one.

    What's up with YouTube? (none / 0) (#95)
    by blogtopus on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:29:28 PM EST
    Doesn't come up anymore? Did the Obamas kill YouTube before the message spread? ;-P

    Seriously, I'm champing at the bit to see this stuff, but YouTube is MIA.

    Probably (none / 0) (#99)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:32:33 PM EST
    Check the SNL site.

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    gracias (none / 0) (#109)
    by blogtopus on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:52:50 PM EST
    I found it there, easily. The lag time was pretty rough too. This video is getting TRACTION.

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    NBC probably yanked it ... (none / 0) (#117)
    by tree on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:18:31 PM EST
    from You-Tube. Go here to see it all.

    http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/

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    Nice comment (none / 0) (#103)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:41:01 PM EST
    I wish I had the guts to go to Taylor Marsh's site and hear the truth.  

    I wish I was a "real" Democrat like you who feels very comfortable casting aspersions about Obama and his supporters.

    BTD,

    This is the sort of comment that rarely gets criticized here but would be quickly deleted if it were in favor of Obama.

    Fly (5.00 / 2) (#107)
    by auntmo on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:49:33 PM EST
    Good  grief,  Fly.  You've  been  whining  for   2  days.   Maybe  you  need  a  rest  from  the  incredibly  taxing   responsibility  of  protecting  Obama   from   the  big  bad  meanies  out there.  

    I  suspect  Jerilynn  is  getting  a kick out of  you   and  BTD suddenly  expecting   "civility"  from  a  comedy  show.  

    I  sure  am.  

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    Just saw it (none / 0) (#106)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:48:46 PM EST
    It is borderline indeed.

    And for the sake of blog comity, I will delete it.

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    His wish is your command. (none / 0) (#108)
    by auntmo on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:50:17 PM EST
    It is a borderline comment (none / 0) (#113)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:13:06 PM EST
    I think we want all to feel welcome here and using my discretion, I deleted it.

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    Thanks BTD (none / 0) (#136)
    by flyerhawk on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:27:33 PM EST
    I appreciate it as do the other Obama supporters I'm sure.

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    BTD, Comity? (none / 0) (#164)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:36:47 PM EST
    ******************

    TalkLeft is my go-to site because of the relative balance, intelligence and civility in both the editorials and the comments.

    That being said, I'm occasionally frustrated by some rather snotty, protracted and unproductive back-and-forths.

    In such instances it seems that a sincere person is sometimes being purposefully baited by an intellectually dishonest respondent who's arguing for the sheer hell of taking up space and wasting time.

    I've gotten caught up in a couple of these  episodes and end up feeling almost as crappy as I used to at HuffPo.

    Perhaps it's a matter of developing a better bull-s*it detector and resisting the impulse to engage with some of the more transparent bulls*itters.


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    sorry to hurt Obama's feelings (none / 0) (#115)
    by dem08 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:14:29 PM EST
    I apologize if I violated Talk Left Policy and/or hurt Obama's backers feelings. We will need you to work for Hillary when she gets the nomination.

    Let me ask politely: isn't it possible that Fred Armison's Obama was meant as a criticism of Obama?

    Armison's Obama was a clueless and unfunny wooden figure, a very unfunny imitation in a very hilarious sketch.

    Hillary was threatened by the actress playing Campbell Scott & Obama looked oblivious the whole time.

    I think the writers and actors meant to say, look at who Obama really is. At least that is what I saw and it heartened so many of us.

    It is not too much to hope that SNL goes after the unfairness of the election. Talk Left has made this a topic on many threads.

    By the way: the writer's strike obviously hurt Hillary the most, as Obama escaped any criticism. I wonder if the race would be over had SNL stayed on the air.

    Fey on Oprah's effect (none / 0) (#121)
    by Oje on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:29:03 PM EST
    Speaking of truth in satire, I wonder if Fey didn't hit on something with the Oprah swipe. At pollster.com, you can see that national polls for Hillary topped out right after MSNBC's and Russert's attacks at the October 30th debate in Philadelphia.

    http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Dem-Pres-Primary.php

    But, that does not do much for Obama. He is still at or below 25% heading into December, when Oprah undertook that highly publicized campaign sweep through Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. Then, boom, his support swells into the January primaries at which point the media talks non-stop about what a winner he is.

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2007-10-21-endorsements_N.htm  

    It certainly seems to have had an effect in South Carolina and New Hampshire where no other national events crowded the images (see the state polls). In Iowa, the effect appears not so dramatic, but Iowa had two local debates during December to offset the positive national media narrative, "Oprah hearts Obama."

    It would be funny if that is the only endorsement (from Kennedy to unions to newspapers) that had any substantial role in determining our Democratic nominee!

    Is SNL Still On? (none / 0) (#125)
    by Jade Jordan on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:39:56 PM EST
    If so who is watching it these days?

    Yep, sure is! (none / 0) (#126)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:48:02 PM EST
    I tend to watch the opening, Weekend Update and the musical guests.  I suspect many people follow this pattern.

    If Obama can have Oprah, can't Hillary puh-lease have marginalized SNL?

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    SNL got Campbell Brown wrong (none / 0) (#127)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:56:02 PM EST
    Campbell Brown is a Hillary fan and asks her favorable questions:

    1.  In a prior debate, gays ganging up on her question by Campbell, evoking the "Now Campbell....there are certain impediments" response....

    2.  In another prior debate, the close-out "diamonds or pearls" question from Campbell to Hillary.

    3.  Campbell asked Obama the plagiarism question in the Austin debate.

    4.  Also in Austin, Campbell asked Obama a foreign policy/commander-in-chief question--and she looked visibly upset--as if she were sucking lemmons, as contrasted with her look of fawning admiration to Hillary's "Now Campbell" response--as Obama states that Hillary was for the Iraq war, Campbell's disapproving reaction being remarkable enough to draw a long camera shot.

    5.  The final question to Hillary in Austin was from Campbell.  She asked it to Obama first, knowing that Hillary would have the last say.....That exact question had been recycled from a prior question asked Hillary in an interview, I think by Tim Russert, to which she had responded, "I think we all know what that (my hardest time in public life is) was; and it was clear what was coming when Campbell asked that question in Austin....Good answer by Hillary; nice assist from Campbell.    


    i would disagree (none / 0) (#134)
    by nycvoter on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:14:41 PM EST
    Hillary had to answer about 8 questions first to Obama's 4 or so.  Cambell Brown never cut off obama as he droned on and on and cut of Hillary at least once.

    Plus the two questions on piling on and diamonds or pearls were ridiculous and patronizing

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    The "patronizing" questions (none / 0) (#135)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:20:17 PM EST
    did not hurt Hillary and let her seem personable.   Questions about not disclosing tax returns and library donors would have been troubling for her....

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    diamonds or pearls? (none / 0) (#140)
    by tree on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:57:53 PM EST
    was asked by a student at UNLV, not Campbell Brown.

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    Selected by Campbell Brown (none / 0) (#142)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:08:05 PM EST
    as I recall....but maybe not....

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    debate rules (none / 0) (#141)
    by tree on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:04:09 PM EST
    "The final question to Hillary in Austin was from Campbell.  She asked it to Obama first, knowing that Hillary would have the last say....."

    I'm sure that the debate rules determined who got asked the first question, and who got asked the last. Probably a coin toss, or some such. If you're looking for bias from CB in who got the last say, you're probably looking WAY too hard.

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    CNN said (none / 0) (#143)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:10:20 PM EST
    at the start of the debate that they had a coin flip to decide who went first in giving an opening statement; Obama won and decided to go second.  There was no comment about who got the last question first...

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    Obama was lucky that (5.00 / 1) (#152)
    by tree on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:42:59 PM EST
    he didn't have to follow Clinton after her last response. You think it was only impressive because she went last? If he followed her he would have had to say something quite similar to get the same effect. He went first, he could have put her in the same situation by knocking the answer outta the park. He didn't.

    And again, most of that first question, last question stuff gets decided between the campaigns when the debate is agreed upon.

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    Obama could have praised Hillary (none / 0) (#159)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:01:20 PM EST
    for taking all those hits from the right and then pivoted to perhaps a less emotional answer regarding his own life...or his own visits to Walter Reed and his legislation regarding that....He could have coopted the end....It is always best to go last....Primacy and Recency.....

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    I love the idea (none / 0) (#149)
    by mg7505 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:33:57 PM EST
    of reclaiming the word "b---." It seems perfectly in line with so much feminist advocacy, though perhaps not as radical since it's in support of a politician. If anyone is looking for something more subtle, check out the "Woman's Place" button.

    Maybe the buttons could say (none / 0) (#150)
    by mg7505 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:34:57 PM EST
    "I'm a pimped out b---."

    A brilliant rhetorical decision (none / 0) (#151)
    by mg7505 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:38:00 PM EST
    was to refer to Amy as "this one" in the line "I'm a b---, and so is this one."

    "Positive?" (none / 0) (#153)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:43:15 PM EST
    This is where calling Hillary a b*tch fell flat....

    The SNL image of a b*tch was that of a nun force- feeding kids to memorize state capitals--how is that a "positive?" ...That image hurts Hillary.

    Now, Gold Meir as a "kick-as* b*tch"....that would tend to be more positive.  Or, going the glamour angle, maybe one of the Sex in the City grande dames as a b*tch would have made b*tch seem cool.

    SNL said on an un-ironic level everything wingers have been saying about Hillary for years....And the skit didn't have a flip-side, "cool" reflection of the face-value winger view....

    SNL did skewer the press pretty good, though.....As an Obama supporter, I expected us`to be lampooned as modern-day Moonies....Or Hare Krishna followers....But Hillary is now doing that herself today.......    

    Okay (none / 0) (#154)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:46:39 PM EST
    but the SNL skit went one step further and compared b*tch to a pedantic nun who forces kids to memorize the capitals of obscure states....that is the example of getting things done?   Petty and domineering?    

    Perhaps if the skit had left off before the nun example.....

    Is anyone else curious (none / 0) (#156)
    by mg7505 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 04:53:54 PM EST
    about how this affects Ann Coulter? She is widely viewed as a b--- by her ideological opponents. I wonder if she will also try to reclaim the word? She has, after all, called Al Gore a fa* (with Chris Matthews partaking of the fun). Let's see if she can use one more cuss word, this time in reference to herself. And the bigger question: if Hillary is the nominee, how will the Right use this against her? Will Rush&co feel they have license to actually call her a b---? Let's hope so, because the less credibility those folks have the better.

    Steve Martin slapping Tina Fey (none / 0) (#162)
    by MKS on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:31:42 PM EST
    He slapped her at least twice--how is that funny?  

    When combined with having two female Valley Girl twits say that b*tches get things done (but only inconsequential things), it is hard to see how SNL is something that feminists would like.....

    The slapping of Fey reminded me of the old John Wayne movie McClintock! where he chases an uppity Maureen O'Hara through town in her underwear while everyone watches and laughs until he catches her and spanks her with a firetool....Later that night they make love and everything is fine.....

    steve martin slap (none / 0) (#165)
    by cann on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:38:59 PM EST
    Yeah, I was a little taken aback by the slaps!

     It could've maybe been funny if it had been played more as slapstick, but it didn't work that way for me.
     

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    She should have slapped back (none / 0) (#168)
    by diplomatic on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:09:17 PM EST
    Or a knee to the you know what.  The pupil would have learned from the teacher, sort of speak.

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    snl skit (none / 0) (#163)
    by cann on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 05:35:30 PM EST
     The debate skit made fun of Obamamania, but the Hillary portrayal wasn't exactly complimentary.
      Her laugh  was mocked, her saying "not at all" repeatedly, her saying that it was her lifelong dream to lose the primary.
      Did none of the Obama supporters see the Hallowe'en show where Hillary was pretty well mocked?  I came across it when I was looking on the net for last night's sketches.  
      I had the TV turned to NBC only because I hadn't turned it off after my local news.  I haven't watched SNL in years, and I was surprised and
    pleased that it was so funny!
      I hope SNL continues a policy of equal opportunity satire.

    Yes, it becomes the problem (none / 0) (#166)
    by Cream City on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 07:01:24 PM EST
    of those who use the term against women, not the targets. It's a classic rhetorical device, and I bet that Fey's speech teacher was a heckuva nun. :-)

    I Appreciate Your Concern, (none / 0) (#172)
    by AmyinSC on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 09:59:12 PM EST
    But it is a total fashion world reference, you know, like "Blue is the new black" or whatever.  Again, though, I understand that it raises flags for you!