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Taylor Marsh has a great clip of Wilentz on Tucker talking about the race card comments. Ending is especially good as Tucker tries to say Wilentz is a good friend of the Clintons and Wilentz laughs and says, "I barely know them!" Pretty funny stuff. Whoever writes Tucker's scripts has some 'splainin' to do!
BTD, would love your response to what he says regarding the Big Dog's JJ remark.
Maybe tomorrow. Parent
no wonder I prefer TL! Parent
He would not have had to act one bit. Parent
I have never gotten particularly involved emotionally at the primary level, other than thinking someone might get beat by the Republican candidate. But I never thought that a leading candidate might actually be a bad choice if the actually won. I don't see him pushing a progressive agenda.
If Obama is the Democratic candidate, I might just have to suck up the idea of loosing to a Republican and write in some other Democrat.
Unless something else changes, I really don't think I can support Obama. And I think it is primarily because of the supposedly progressive blogs.
I am certainly not feeling united.
promises without performance is like faith without works ..... empty.
"McCain runs ahead of Obama on every issue except health care. The Arizona senator has a 13-point advantage on Iraq and a 37- point lead on terrorism."
And gee, I wonder if economy will be a big issue in Nov if this keeps up....
Why is it that democrats always have to pick the candidate that is destined to lose? Parent
McCain took a shot at Obama today for saying he'd be willing to go back into Iraq after we withdraw if Al Qaeda came there. Wondered why we were leaving since Al Qaeda was there now.
Obama's response was that Al Qaeda wasn't there before we invaded.
While true I wonder if it dawned on Obama that answer has nothing to do with the reality now? McCain can hit that back out of the park. Jeez. Parent
Who you rooting for anyway? Parent
Second, Senator Obama has yet to go to work on McCain, except in very limited ways. (Did you catch his response today? Very adept.) I trust it's obvious that he's "kept the gloves on" to this point against his Democratic rivals, but has no reason to do that should he become the nominee and be facing a Republican. Parent
When you can shackle your opponent to a president with an approval rating headed for the sub-basement, you have an immediate advantage.
And while perhaps McCain's staff will come up with a counter overnight -- McCain himself is far too slow-witted to do it himself under time pressure. If this exchange happened in real time in a debate, he'd be helpless. Parent
"Senator Obama we're talking about the current facts on the ground in Iraq, not what might have been. Or don't you realize that?"
Obama's retort was an applause line for a rally. Don't confuse it with what will happen in the GE. Parent
And Obama was dead-on in terms of the tack he, or Clinton, will have to take in order to rebut the predictable attacks the GOP candidate will make against HRC or Obama about being soft on Iraq.
The Dem candidate is going to have to remind the public, over and over again, that our security situation is worse than it was 7 years ago, and it's the fault of Bush and those who supported him, like McCain. Parent
That applause line works for a fan rally but not for the GE.
Just for grins, I doubt that McCain will let him forget that he voted to fund it since he's been in the senate and that counts as support for the war. Kucinich or Feingold are the only ones who could make your argument. Parent
And whether that nominee is Senator Clinton or Senator Obama, I very much like their chances. Both are smart, both have an excellent command of the facts, and both have had a lot of recent practice. McCain on the other hand, has never been the sharpest tool in the drawer and I really do think age is starting to take its toll on him: I've been carefully listening for the last 8+ years and he doesn't seem as crisp to me as he once did.
Entirely subjective, of course. But wait and watch: see if his campaign starts limiting his off-the-cuff speaking opportunities as this heats up in order to prevent self-inflicted damage. Parent
A stupid comment (and, for heaven's sake, we all know that Obama -- and HRC -- was trying to answer a stupid Russert-hypothetical), that deserves a simplistic response.
I think it's perfect:
Q: Hey dummy, Al Qaeda's in Iraq, didn't you know that
A: Yeah, not only do I know that, but I know that your policies helped put them there
Sorry. I think McCain comes out the loser in that exchange. Parent
The Iraq War is primarily a Republican disaster (although Democrats are guilty of caving into them all too readily and enabling them through funding, esp. of late) and the Dems need to try to remind the voters of where the responsibility for it lies.
All that said, I think it highly likely that neither an Obama nor a Clinton presidency would lead to any rapid end to the Iraq War. Both would reduce troops somewhat, yes, but in any sort of meaningful way? i doubt it.
It sucks to say, but I think we're in Iraq for a long long time.
I wish Feingold or Gore had run. Parent
I have never heard McCain say Al Qaeda was in Iraq before we invaded. Others have but I don't expect him to ever say that, he knows better. I doubt he will even deny where the responsibility lies because that's a fool's errand.
What he will say is that he criticized the way the war was prosecuted, which is true. He'll also say he called for Rumsfeld to be fired, which he did but he was late doing it.
The argument that he will make is that his years of experience, in the military and in the senate, have prepared him better to competently prosecute the war and get us out as winners. That will be a compelling argument. That's what needs to be rebutted and I don't know if either candidate can do a great job of rebutting it. We'll have to wait and see.
Honestly, I think the military realities will halt most combat operations in Iraq in two or three years no matter who is elected. The military can't do this forever and even McCain knows it. We'll probably have a troop contingent there for a long long time either way as well. Juat no good way around that I'm afraid.
Feingold or Gore would have been so much better. Parent
I sent him the following email:
So.. Obama getting support from a domestic terrorist organization (as designated by SPLC) is equivalent to one old lady's personal opinion? Passing on this is your idea of journalistic equivalence? Have you considered applying for Joe Klein's job?
On one of the threads today someone (Kathy?) suggested that it might be possible to go after MSNBC's advertisers rather than the network in terms of applying pressure (especially in light of the alleged women/Hillary-bashing). I looked for the post, but sorry, I couldn't find it to post it there.
I just came back from my gym where they have MSNBC on one of the TVs (ugh, but captive audience) and I was watching for the advertisers. During a 25 minute period, here are the companies who advertised: -Schiff (a glucosamine supplement) -General Electric (think women buy kitchen appliances?) -Marriott -Apple (iPHone) -Campbell's soup -Procter & Gamble: Actonel (osteoporosis drug: for women only)
Does anyone know of a site where this information could be posted/gathered together? I know this isn't the appropriate site (forgive me), but I thought one of the posters might have a suggestion.
Is this legal? Can they encourage people to game he system like that?
Count me out
And, hey, anybody remember HRC and the flag-burning bill? Note: she didn't just support the bill to criminalize it, she actually co-sponsored the bill.
Hmph . . . he left that one out. Parent
The bad part -- neglecting to say where HRC stood on most of the instances he cited.
E.g., the first votes he mentions are:
Since taking office in January 2005 he has voted to approve every war appropriation the Republicans have put forward, totaling over $300 billion. He also voted to confirm Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State despite her complicity in the Bush Administration's various false justifications for going to war in Iraq.
Isn't that also true of HRC?
Obama voted to reauthorize the Patriot Act in July 2005
I couldn't find this actual vote. Did HRC vote differently?
And in March 2006, Obama went out of his way to travel to Connecticut to campaign for Senator Joseph Lieberman who faced a tough challenge by anti-war candidate Ned Lamont.
HRC also supported Lieberman in the primary! She didn't endorse Lamont until after Lamont won the primary. Same with Obama.
So, on all these issues (I stopped reading after this far) Obama and Hillary are the same. So, that's a strike against Obama?
And, FWIW, Lamont is campaigning now for Obama.
So -- I don't get it. Parent
No matter. I've always thought that Obama's and HRC's voting records overlap something like 95% -- I didn't have any illusions that one is significantly more progressive than the other. Parent
As for those who might think he's a Clinton supporter, think again...Bill Clinton went to CA to campaign for his opponent in the mayor's race.
Here's the new thread. Parent
Obama -- 47.7
Clinton -- 46.5
2008 Texas Democratic Presidential Primary Pollster
1,009,174 and counting, that's how many Americans have donated to the Barack Obama campaign, with an average donation of $109.
So both sides are raising money, but of course Obama is raising more.
Thanks, Aaron, for leaving the usual tag line off your comment, it makes a big difference and is appreciated. Parent
PS I still think Hillary should get the VP spot. Parent
Pertinent quote:
Gardner Selby, the veteran political columnist for the Austin American-Statesman, said he is baffled by some of the commentary about the Texas campaign he's seen from "East Coast media" on cable television and the Internet. "The presidential race is not over. Anybody who says they know what is going to happen here is drunk on their own (ego)," Selby said.
"The presidential race is not over. Anybody who says they know what is going to happen here is drunk on their own (ego)," Selby said.
And where have we heard this before?:
But if Clinton wins, the entire dynamic of the race will shift. She'll be able to claim she is best suited to be the nominee because she consistently wins the big states: New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, California, Texas, Ohio, Florida and Michigan. He'll go from front-runner to the candidate who only wins small states; but more problematic, he'll be the candidate who has failed to show any significant support among Hispanics. (Remember, that in addition to California, Clinton carried Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico. Obama barely got 50 percent from Hispanics in his home state, Illinois.)
(Remember, that in addition to California, Clinton carried Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico. Obama barely got 50 percent from Hispanics in his home state, Illinois.)
But it's still a problem for her because the heavily African American districts in Texas will get more delegates than the heavily Latino districts because they had a bigger turnout in the past two elections.
And, although the early voter turnout in TX has been huge, voters need to remember they also have to caucus that night. 1/3 of TX delegates will be awarded according to caucus results. Parent
The problem I have with the argument that "HRC wins the big states, Obama doesn't" is that it looks at only one variable (size) in the equation. It also could be a function of time -- that is, Clinton won some on Super Tuesday and earlier, Obama has won since.
But I don't want to get into an argument about that -- because -- Texas and Ohio will help settle that. If Obama can't win either, than this big/small dichotomy stands. But vice versa, too.
I'm perfectly content to let the voters speak on Tuesday, and then everything will be re-evaluated. Parent
And the man could write. Even while reading something that made my fists clench, it was impossible not to notice that the prose was meticulously crafted. And I learned to always take the library's copy of National Review to a seat near enough the OED to make frequent reference to it convenient -- his vocabulary was astounding.
In intellectual combat, he was truly a worthy adversary, and I salute him.
That was when Mr. Obama proposed a novel challenge aimed at limiting the corrupting influence of money on the race: If he won the nomination, he would limit himself to spending only the $85 million available in public financing between the convention and Election Day as long as his Republican opponent did the same.
Campaign finance experts said the issue was a major test of Mr. Obama's commitment. It is also a first glimpse of what might come in a general election fight between two candidates who have championed public integrity, opening themselves to accusations of hypocrisy. On Wednesday, the McCain campaign stepped up its criticism of Mr. Obama after his statement at the debate. "The fact is, Senator Obama signed a piece of paper and pledged to take public financing for his campaign if I did the same," Mr. McCain said. "I believe that Senator Obama should keep his commitment also, which means taking public financing. The rest of it is ground noise. The rest of it is irrelevant."
On Wednesday, the McCain campaign stepped up its criticism of Mr. Obama after his statement at the debate.
"The fact is, Senator Obama signed a piece of paper and pledged to take public financing for his campaign if I did the same," Mr. McCain said. "I believe that Senator Obama should keep his commitment also, which means taking public financing. The rest of it is ground noise. The rest of it is irrelevant."
At this point, Obama looks bad no matter what he does. Might as well choose the option that also gives him a bunch of extra cash.
In last night's debate, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama were asked if there were any "words or votes you'd like to take back." Clinton described, in gut-wrenching detail, her regrets over her Iraq War vote. When it was his turn, Obama noted that all senators had implicitly allowed the federal courts to intervene in the Terri Schiavo feeding tube case, and he wished he had spoken up against it. With a quivering air of self-castigation, Obama explained that the episode taught him the dangers of inaction. Fair enough: Clinton chose to discuss a vote that has made some people hate her and imperiled her presidential campaign; Obama referred to a non-action in which he was only as culpable as every one of his colleagues. But hasn't Obama been congratulating himself on the campaign trail for offering blunt, self-revealing answers to those kinds of questions, while his colleagues opt for what he calls the Washington "okey doke" response of admitting something that gives offense to no one?
Fair enough: Clinton chose to discuss a vote that has made some people hate her and imperiled her presidential campaign; Obama referred to a non-action in which he was only as culpable as every one of his colleagues.
But hasn't Obama been congratulating himself on the campaign trail for offering blunt, self-revealing answers to those kinds of questions, while his colleagues opt for what he calls the Washington "okey doke" response of admitting something that gives offense to no one?
Obama -- 48.3
Clinton -- 41.7
Gallup Daily: Tracking Election 2008
Obama -- 48
Clinton -- 43
I gave Clinton a 5-point win in Texas and a 10-point win in Ohio and Pennsylvania, a very optimistic scenario, and very conservative Obama wins in most other states (except West Virginia) and in the end she was down 100+ pledged delegates.
Anyway, it's an amusing time-killer for political junkies...