Poll: FL Dem Voters Favor Mail In Revote

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:26:00 PM EST
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Commenter Coral Gables, watching the Florida news wires for us, brings us this:

The poll, conducted March 10th and 11th by The Kitchens Group in Maitland, Florida, sampled 600 of the 1.7 million registered Democratic voters throughout the state who participated in the January 29th primary.

The respondents were asked whether (1) state leaders should maintain their position of insisting that the votes cast on January 29th be counted, though it risked rejection by the Democratic National Committee, or (2) hold a new Democratic primary election, at no cost to the taxpayers, through the use of a prepaid mail-in ballot sent to all registered Democrats.

Fifty-nine percent supported option (2). . . .

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Poll: FL Dem Voters Favor Mail In Revote | 67 comments (67 topical)

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Good (5.00 / 1) (#1)
by andgarden on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:10:41 PM EST

So let's go forward.

wait a minute (5.00 / 4) (#2)
by Kathy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:12:13 PM EST

"59%" ... that's the same percentage of women who usually vote for Clinton. I sense a conspiracy.

Obama's not going (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by OldCoastie on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:51:22 PM EST

to like that one bit.

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: does the DOJ (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:59:06 PM EST

care what people want?

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: Kathy, the female vote (none / 0) (#22)
by lilburro on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:53:34 PM EST

is just not worth analyzing. Didn't you get the MEMO?

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Heh (none / 0) (#3)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:12:58 PM EST

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Hmmm (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Step Beyond on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:01:19 PM EST

I'm never polled. I would have answered 1 as I don't like revotes.

Interestingly, well to me anyway, if I get a second vote, I will probably vote for Clinton even though I didn't vote for her the first time. I figure she won the first time and that should have been that. Plus I'm pretty sure Gravel won't be on the ballot again.

Also and very importantly (5.00 / 2) (#36)
by Step Beyond on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:10:35 PM EST

From Naked Politics regarding other info in that poll (emphasis added by me):

The poll also asked what impact the failure to count votes would have on the November elections, and Gelber warned that the results should send a message to national political leaders, and Democratic candidates Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Voters said that if the controversy is not resolved and Florida Democratic voters do not have a voice in choosing the Democratic nominee, only 63 percent will still vote with Democrats.
"We need that in the 80s or 90s,'' Geller said. Among the other voters: 14 percent said they would send a protest vote and consider voting for a Republican, 12 percent said they were unsure, 6 percent said they wouldn't vote for the Democrat for president but would for state and local races and 5 percent said they wouldn't vote at all.

I would say WOW but I'm not surprised. I've (none / 0) (#38)
by Angel on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:17:48 PM EST

noticed the past couple of days that more and more Hillary supporters on this site are saying they will not vote for BO if he is the nominee. And more especially today after the stunt pulled about not wanting a mail-in ballot, trying to say it disenfranchises people, etc. So the party has become broken beyond repair, in my opinion.

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I would say WOW but I'm not surprised. (none / 0) (#39)
by Angel on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:19:42 PM EST

I've noticed the past couple of days that more and more Hillary supporters on this site are saying they will not vote for BO if he is the nominee. And more especially today after the stunt pulled about not wanting a mail-in ballot, trying to say it disenfranchises people, etc. So the party has become broken beyond repair, in my opinion.

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Obama supporters have been (5.00 / 1) (#61)
by MarkL on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:23:44 PM EST

promising to leave the party---even register Republican---if Hillary wins the nomination, for months.
If Obama is actually trying to win the nomination by disenfranchising millions of voters, of course he will massively lose Democratic support.

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: There is actually a petition out there... (none / 0) (#65)
by DudeE on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:43:42 PM EST

...of Obama supporters who pledge they won't vote for Clinton if she becomes the nominee.

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There that 30 something percent again (none / 0) (#43)
by Salt on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:26:13 PM EST

not going to be there for the nominee.

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Breaking from Michigan... (5.00 / 1) (#41)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:25:58 PM EST

possibility of a full-blown primary being floated.

How can Obama object to that? (none / 0) (#44)
by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:27:23 PM EST

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: Just wait ... (none / 0) (#50)
by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:55:43 PM EST

he'll come up with something.

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: He can say (none / 0) (#56)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:14:42 PM EST

we want to save the money to fight John McCain, blah blah blah...

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Now I would support that (none / 0) (#48)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:47:36 PM EST

His name wasn't on the ballot there during the first go 'round.

So sure.

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if you support clinton (none / 0) (#4)
by cy street on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:33:04 PM EST

you have to like the poll. the two questions favor her approach to seating florida. as i understand, only one of these options are being discussed by the dnc, as well as others not included in the poll.

whether you prefer mail in, primary, caucus or convention, this poll is incomplete at best, a pro clinton ploy at worst.

in a perfect world, the contest would be a democratic voter primary only and the two campaigns fight it out on the ground as it should have been from the beginning.

: I am one who does not (none / 0) (#6)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:35:02 PM EST

And I admit I have the minority view on this as far as Clinton supporters are concerned.

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Well that's fine (none / 0) (#5)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:34:07 PM EST

I wonder how they'll feel when Obama gets a huge boost in FL.

Probably just fine.

Nobody's ever going to say voting too much is wrong.

Sampled 600? (none / 0) (#7)
by MichaelGale on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:38:14 PM EST

Well, that just proves that you are right. what else do you need than a sampling of 600 out of 1.7 million Democrats to tell Florida to shut up and sit down.

: Um (none / 0) (#10)
by andgarden on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:40:49 PM EST

if the sample is good, then 600 is plenty.

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NY Times Article says... (none / 0) (#8)
by Oje on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:39:31 PM EST

Clinton and Obama Split Over Florida and Michigan:

"Not surprisingly, they staked out opposing and irreconcilable positions."

Looking kind of bleak right now, and the Obama campaign is not getting much heat for staking out their position. by my read of this article.

It's not happening (none / 0) (#9)
by Demi Moaned on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:39:49 PM EST

Haven't you heard? Kos has spoken.

He used to be a Republican (5.00 / 3) (#11)
by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:42:04 PM EST

Once again, his roots are showing.

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TheProgressive blogosphere is (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:45:25 PM EST

basically run by ex-republicans who want Dems to behave more like Republicans. Different values. Different policies. But the same behavior.

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I wouldn't say different values. (none / 0) (#14)
by Kathy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:46:34 PM EST

and the policies on voting are looking a little shaky, too.

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: True (none / 0) (#16)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:47:25 PM EST

My comment was more relevant back when they were fighting for things like defunding, not backing Obama.

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: Agreed. Same tactics, same values ... (none / 0) (#27)
by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:58:46 PM EST

Ever here this one: "There are no ends, only means."

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DemocraticLuntz must be red with (none / 0) (#62)
by MarkL on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:25:04 PM EST

rage over Obama's latest actions, including the threat of legal action to prevent a re-vote.
Everyone knows how principled he is on the subject of disenfranchisement.

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Kos' argument hurts my head (5.00 / 4) (#13)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:46:12 PM EST

He says unless we enforce the draconian sanctions, we'll be powerless against Iowa and NH in the future because they'll just break the rules.

Does the proprietor of the largest political blog on the Internet not understand that IOWA AND NH ALREADY GOT AWAY WITH BREAKING THE RULES THIS YEAR? The only reason Michigan moved up was because NH was getting away with breaking the rules with no penalty!

Whatever this year's shenanigans may have accomplished, I guarantee they did not leave Iowa and NH quaking in fear of the wrath of the DNC.

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If you asked me (5.00 / 2) (#17)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:49:11 PM EST

I think both need to be taken down a peg.

I realize there's a whole economy built up in those states that relies on their "me first" status, but it's old now.

And the other states have caught on.

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It's sad (5.00 / 4) (#20)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:51:23 PM EST

if you click my link, you can practically taste the frustration that Michigan felt when they fought hard to force a teeny-tiny concession out of NH for this cycle - only to have NH flagrantly break the rules without even a hint of a penalty from the DNC.

You will not read one story in the MSM about how NH broke the rules. It's permanently down the memory hole. But MI and FL, now those states run illegal elections.

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What Link? (none / 0) (#29)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:00:51 PM EST

Where?

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re: (none / 0) (#32)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:07:04 PM EST

My post before that one. The sentence that's in blue!

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: I see it (none / 0) (#35)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:10:06 PM EST

Thanks.
Unsurprised.

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Kos has been more of a businessman than (none / 0) (#63)
by MarkL on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:26:05 PM EST

a political analyst for a couple of years now.
He's got his house and his future set.. what does he care what happens to peons now?

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Pastor Kos (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by Demi Moaned on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:51:28 PM EST

Plus after all his preaching months ago about how important it was to include FL and MI for GE purposes, this is really poor. He called me a concern troll earlier today because I took him to task for flogging that dead horse about Big States.

There's still some good people at DailyKos, but overall, it's getting pretty deep there.

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the top post now (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:56:59 PM EST

is more Ferraro bashing

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I went there looking for one person (none / 0) (#37)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:15:43 PM EST

Who would accept the resignation and move on.

Not one. Not one.

What a mistake on my part. It has ruined my whole day.</deleted comment>

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: Their manufactured outrage ... (none / 0) (#40)
by Robot Porter on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:20:56 PM EST

distracts them from the fact that they have lost their minds.
Or should that be "mind" singular?

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Ferraro (none / 0) (#45)
by Kathy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:32:27 PM EST

kicked some hiney on NBC news tonight in a one on one interview. Apparently, she didn't even give that newspaper an interview. They took her words from a q&a during a speech she was giving. SLAMMED Axelrod et al. It was beautiful.

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: Any Youtube? (none / 0) (#47)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:46:34 PM EST

NBC news what? Where?
Maybe I can catch a repeat on the west coast.

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: I'm thinking Ferraro is going to win support (none / 0) (#64)
by MarkL on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:27:17 PM EST

for Clinton---big time---which is why the Obamanauts are so furious.
She's the only Democrat with the courage to tell the blunt truth about Obama's campaign.

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I saw John Dingles wife (5.00 / 1) (#31)
by Capt Howdy on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:02:07 PM EST

on CNN, I can remember name, explaining that the reason Michigan did what it did was because they thought those two non-representative states should not have so much power in the nominating process.
she was pretty unapologetic about it.
and it is hard to argue with that.

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Her name is (5.00 / 1) (#34)
by cmugirl on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:09:42 PM EST

Debbie

And trust me, as someone whose from Michigan, you do NOT want to mess with Debbie Dingell!

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: I like her already. (none / 0) (#55)
by Iphie on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:14:11 PM EST

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Debbie Dingell (none / 0) (#33)
by Steve M on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:07:44 PM EST

is a big-time power broker in MI. She tends to get her way.

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It's going to take me (5.00 / 2) (#15)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:46:41 PM EST

two more hours to calm down after seeing that.

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A quick cheap way to win (none / 0) (#24)
by BarnBabe on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:54:45 PM EST

several hundred thousand votes. So he wants to take away her votes and give them OHB and delegates too. Amazing. And this is a win win solution? I don't think so. It is more a win for OHB and a loss for HRC.

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Is Obama trying to (none / 0) (#18)
by lilburro on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:50:41 PM EST

prevent a situation where three big states (MI, FL, PA) all of which favor Clinton, are up for grabs at the same time? (though MI and FL would be in play long after PA, and after NC, etc.)

Still trying to figure out where the strategic genius is here.

You know (none / 0) (#23)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:53:39 PM EST

I need to know more about how this revote is going to take place.

You bring up a good point.

You see, my opposition here has previously been based on my belief that timing can be just as important as location when it comes to elections.

If Obama's resources are going to be spread across three different states at once, I can be a lot more inclined to support what's happening here.

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: Tomorrow (none / 0) (#42)
by Step Beyond on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:26:01 PM EST

The timing is supposed to be tomorrow they announce the plan. Ballots would be mailed mid April. In between they would do the 30 day wait and approval thing.
I'm not sure what is the deadline for mailing the ballot back. But they expect to have the results counted and verified on June 3.
Geller said today they will announce the plan tomorrow so hopefully we'll have more info then.

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Obama's campaign site (none / 0) (#46)
by ineedalife on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:35:59 PM EST

lists about 5-6 under-the-radar events in FL every day. He is conducting a stealth campaign there as we speak. This is all just delaying tactics.

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Good point (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:02:07 PM EST

Glad someone else is aware of this.

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Link? Grass roots or from campaign? (none / 0) (#51)
by catfish on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:58:38 PM EST

Is it just a grass roots, locals organizing their own events, or is this a top-down thing?

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Go to his site (none / 0) (#53)
by ineedalife on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:07:15 PM EST

Click on Fl, and go to events. I am not familiar enough with his operation to judge if these are top down. His site is at least publicizing them.

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: 50 events in FL, Zero in CA (none / 0) (#57)
by catfish on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 07:14:59 PM EST

OK I see what you mean, 50 Florida upcoming events for Barack Obama.

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Local events (none / 0) (#66)
by zzyzx on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:46:25 PM EST

Look at the details. They're all things like fund raising meetings or standing on a corner and holding signs or hanging out with other Obama supporters.

Nothing there seems to be organized by the higher ups nor would any of it be relevant to a Florida election. It's not like Obama is coming to Tallahassee or anything...

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Why is the FL Congress delegation so dumb? (none / 0) (#25)
by Ramo on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 05:55:21 PM EST

Why is Obama not putting his influence behind this?

Completely ridiculous behavior.

September 2007: Obama Would Seat Delegation (none / 0) (#49)
by catfish on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:54:09 PM EST

Obama in September said he'd seat delegates.

By WILLIAM MARCH and ELAINE SILVESTRINI The Tampa Tribune
Published: September 30, 2007
TAMPA - Barack Obama hinted during a Tampa fundraiser Sunday that if he's the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, he'll seat a Florida delegation at the party's national convention, despite national party sanctions prohibiting it.
Obama also appeared to violate a pledge he and the other leading candidates took by holding a brief news conference outside the fundraiser. That was less than a day after the pledge took effect Saturday, and Obama is the first Democratic presidential candidate to visit Florida since then.

Guess he's saying nothing different now.

Excellent find (none / 0) (#67)
by shoephone on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:16:21 AM EST

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: I keep a file on the puter (none / 0) (#69)
by catfish on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:43:53 PM EST

filled with stuff like this.

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Dang (none / 0) (#59)
by kaleidescope on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 08:57:13 PM EST

Didn't know about that policy. Sorry. Consider the "F" word to be edited to be "FAQ them."

Poll: FL Dem Voters Favor Mail In Revote (none / 0) (#60)
by Chango on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 09:07:28 PM EST

I would prefer to win the lottery, but I didn't buy a ticket.

Florida and Michigan wronged (none / 0) (#68)
by kris1111 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 03:27:15 PM EST

I have been a loyal democrat for 30 years but this one bothers me - I find it hard to support someone or some party that would not want the voters to be heard. I'm thinking now I should sit this November election out as it does not represent the will of the voters rather political manuvering. I see no good reason why iowa and new hampshire must go first and see many reasons why they should not. You are disinfranchising some of the most reliable democratic supporters for a crowd of new voters coming from republican voting states.

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