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Then the whole discussion starts again with the same results. Parent
Obama has decided to seek a nomination with the aid of superdelegates, rather than elected delegates. His refusal to participate in Florida and Michigan enfranchisement means that he would rather rely on getting a nomination with superdelegates, rather than those elected by the voters.
Obama is pursuing an anti-democratic path to the nomination. Contrary to the prevailing MSM narrative, it is Obama who is trying to ride the superdelegates to a nomination and avoid a full evaluation by the voters, not Clinton.
The desperation is so obvvious. They can sense that Hillary has the momentum. There are no new converts and perhaps even a peeling away. Parent
wait for it.
just in: obama is a card carrying hezbollah member. Parent
Apologize. Parent
Unlike Hillary he has an entire TV network dedicated to making this happen. (NBC/MSNBC) Parent
The tables have turned. Obama is now willing to plead his case to superdelegates rather than submit to FL and MI voters. It's very clear. Parent
You might be surprised at how many hits you get, lol. Parent
I made a decision today not to vote for Obama, because in my view instead of doing it the right way, with all states in play, he wants to tap dance around it. He's afraid.
Not s leader for me. Parent
In an update, the blog quoted a clarification from Obama spokesman Ben LaBolt: "Barack Obama said specifically that he didn't believe his grandmother harbored any racial animosity but that her fears were understandable and typical of those often shared by her generation."
According to this, it is not all white people who are racists, just old ones? Parent
Axelrod and Penn and all other campaign operatives are disgusting.
Contrast that with Obama and his recent travails. He says he is disturbed by Wrights comments. He had to be concerned about and know about the direct and personal insults his preacher gave to both Clintons, even in the unlikely case that he didn't know about the awards for Farrakhan, trips to Libya, vague statements that blacks should stop being afraid to mention Israel, US of KKK A, etc. There is no evidence that Obama did anything about this. He didn't leave the church (which would have been an odd first reaction anyway), but he also does not seem to have approached Rev. Wright about the matter, he doesn't seem to have given a speech in the church about why words matter and how we can better communicate our grievances (or even one similar to his speech the other day). He has never written about the fact that this language troubled him, has never brought black and white ministers together to discuss race issues, has never attempted to shield his family from words he says he considers hateful.
Hillary's words now and all accounts of her actions surrounding NAFTA (and everything else, really) are very consistent and tell the story of someone who felt strongly about an issue and let everyone know, but was mature enough to recognize that she lost without having to slash and burn everything around her.
Obama's words now and his complete lack of action on race issues (and Iraq and healthcare and financial issues, etc) show a serious disconnect between his words and his actions. This is further exacerbated in the case of NAFTA by his advisor's assurances to the Canadians or in the case of Iraq by his other (now former) advisor's backtracking on his whole Iraq plan. His lack of leadership on all of these issues when he had the opportunties to deal with them (sending universal health care to death by committee in Illinois, silence before the racism in his church, complete lack of any action on Iraq between his 2002 speech and his 2007 start of the presidential run) speaks volumes beyond the soaring speeches he has given and the vague plans he has presented in this campaign. Parent
I have respect left for the site, and for David Kurtz, but Marshall? What a sad decline.
Actually if you pay attention... at this moment the conservative bloggers treat Hillary with more respect and reality-based analysis than the left! Parent
From now on it's the Independent center for me.
The Democratic party has taken women for granted for too long. Parent
I am still not voting for him. Parent
Further, I don't even think he is a democrat.
If I am hated in blogosphere so be it. I spend most of my time in war zones and I'm not voting for someone who clearly has serious judgment problems.
And I am not alone. Parent
The Middle East is a whole lot bigger than Israel. Parent
It all depends who he is talking to as to what he says and how he phrases it. Parent
My link to the archive isn't working and I can only get one page... Here are a couple of clips.
[The skepticism continued through the question time. Daroff said he had "heard in the hallways here" that Obama "doesn't see the U.S.-Israel relationship as much of the mainstream of the Senate or the Jewish community sees it."
Kurtzer blamed such sentiment on "attack dogs" and writers of scurrilous e-mails. "He's right within the mainstream of American society and Jewish community concerns," TBA said.]
[Next question to Kurtzer: Obama's assertion that he needn't have a 'Likud'view" -- that of Israel's right-wing party -- to be pro-Israel. Kurtzer explained that Obama wanted to see a "plurality of views." Silence in the room. To that, Lewis retorted: "The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties." The audience members applauded.
Eagleburger piled on. "There's a distinction between those you do talk to," he said, "and those who declare themselves as intent on the destruction of the state of Israel. And if that's their policy, I think we ought not talk to them." More applause.
A conference attendee from Richmond pressed Kurtzer on Obama's "judgment about not disavowing Reverend Wright's views earlier." Another question prompted a back-and-forth about whether Obama had been advised by Brzezinski, who won the enmity of pro-Israel groups for, among other things, accusing Israel of the "killing of hostages" in Lebanon.
"I'm not Brzezinski's spokesperson," Kurtzer demurred. And after yesterday, he may think twice before being Obama's TBA again. Parent
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If "low info" is what keeps me supporting Hillary, then I don't want to be "high info." Is there a special chip they would install for us to make us high-info? Is this like a Dr. Who episode? Parent
This is a HUGE problem within the Dem Party.
Sen Obama and his supporters will HAVE TO reach out to unite the party. Comments like this are just not going to unite.
The Uniters must be from the winning nmominee... since you are convinced Sen Obama will be that nominee... maybe you sould start practicing.
I will vote for the Dem nominee... but not everyone will. Look for alot of HIllary write-ins or votes for McCain. Parent
Frankly the sniping is counter productive and the exageration about the flaws of both of our candidates has reached the level of toxicity that it has lost all connection to reality. Parent
So the question would be why you can't hear her. Parent
That said... we do not have the illusion that Sen Obama or Sen Clinton are the perfect pols.
I'm not sure hwo "they" are? But I know that Hillary odds are not that good.
I can assure you that I will challenge insults from Obama supporters.... for the good of the party.
For myself, I watch how I frame my comments about Sen Obama. So please do not stereotype me. Parent
That you would not notice that fact is telling. Parent
I do not want a repub in the WH. We will lose so much if the repubs win the GE.
My concerns with BHO is his ability to get in WH. There are times when I hear him saysomething I just want to beat my head on my desk!
Like BTD... I can see the flaws in both candidates. At this time I just believe HRC has a better chance to get in the WH... flaws and all.
I'm VERY concerned that Sen Obama has painted himself into a corner on race. My concern is not "blaming" but for electiblity. Parent
As an Edwards supporter turned Hillary supporter, I will vote for whoever gets the nomination. Because I am a Democrat. If it's Obama in November, then he'll get my vote. Doesn't mean I have to shut my eyes and ears and mouth when I am confronted with his never-ending gaffes.
I did hope we could have a new president who wouldn't have to rely on scripted speeches and teleprompters. Parent
The Obama campaign distributed Gov. Bill Richardson's endorsement speech...note the stage direction:
I know Senator Obama well. I first got to know him when I chaired the last Democratic National Convention, where he gave that wonderful keynote address.
And then, last year, as we campaigned against each other for the Presidency, I came to fully appreciate his steadfast patriotism and remarkable talents.
I also felt a kinship with him because we both had one foreign-born parent and we both lived abroad as children.
In part because of these experiences, Barack and I share a deep sense of our nation's special responsibilities in the world.
[Turn toward Obama and smile]
Barack Obama, you are an extraordinary leader who has shown courage, sound judgment and wisdom throughout your career.
You understand the security challenges of the 21st century, and you will be an outstanding Commander in Chief.
[Turn toward Obama and, as the heavens open above, and the all-encompassing epiphany hits, smile] Parent
Singer's right.
It's amateur hour.
Do you have a link? Parent
To me her point would have been less offending if she had said a component of his popularity is his race rather than the only reason he is even here. But even that would offended someone.
She took the position of saying I don't care if anyone is offended by what I say. That's where things break down. Parent
I'm pretty sure, however, the forgiveness will flow only in one direction. Parent
One of his main themes, whether you like him or not, is to invite others to become active and take the ball. This clearly reflects back to his Alinsky influence, an influence he shares with HRC. Parent
Also if you want to her to get out of the race does anyone really think attacking her character and denigrating her character will be something that will motivate her to drop out? I mean I would want to gut him with a knife further if I were Hillary Clinton. I mean I'm sure she wants a Dem to win, but certainly this kind of blatant insult will not make her want to do anything to help him out, given that she really does like John McCain.
Seriously though, the annoying thing is that many members of the media will still say things like, "he doesn't attack, it's hard for him to respond to attacks because he's above that" even after recent actions. Because he's "different" and "transcendent". Despite evidence to the contrary.
Just like McCain is still a "straight talker" after shifting his positions on a million issues and being caught in outright lies like the Iran/Al Qeada thing.
Once something is repeated by the media enough, it becomes gospel. Even if it isn't true. Parent
His campaign has determined that the people who support him in these states already will not-not support him should he turn negative...but chipping away at the late deciders is what negative campaigns are good at...hence...negative campaigning Parent
Is that cynical or what. Jeez. Well, that's what it seems like.
So no, I don't think it about wining votes directly, or influencing Hillary, or any of that. It's simply about the daily news feed and what it pays attention too. Parent
But more to the point, I agree that superdelegates should be free to take into account "all" of the variables present before them, including but not limited to the way their constituencies voted, the popular vote and the ultimate impact on the party of chosing one candiate over the other.
So from my perspective, not Bill Richardson's or Hilary Clinton's or Barack Obama's superdelegates should respect the delegate process and the delegate count but they should not be bound to it. Parent
Way to stay classy.
"We believe that this is a really important issue as super-delegates decide who will be electable in the fall," Plouffe said. "The American people are not going to elect someone who isn't seen as honest and trustworthy."
Uh-huh, Obama's running such a positive campaign. Parent
leting the veterans know (and I paraphrase as I cannot find the actual quote yet) that when we have the campaign this fall, either McCain or Hillary would bring about pride in the military, and has a history of pro-Military without "all that other stuff messing it up".
How dreadful.. and accurate. Parent
That said, neither Clinton nor Obama has ANY business putting McCain above the other. If that actually occurred (and I'm not taking DK's word for it that it did) then Clinton deserves to be chastised for it.
I know the primary is hard on everyone, but there's still a GE to win afterwards. Let's not forget who the real bad guys are. Parent
I'm so sick of this. The truth is McCain is better on military issues than Obama. If you don't like it, get over it. It is the truth. Parent
It's not that I think we all need to join hands and sing kumbaya together. I don't mind Hillary pointing out Obama's inexperience, just as I don't mind Obama pointing out that large numbers of voters don't trust Hillary. (I'm not exactly thrilled to see that sort of thing from either camp, but I understand it and accept it.) This is politics, after all. If Clinton wants to come out and say "Obama is weaker that I am on military matters," fine, go for it. Where you cross the line is when you say "Obama is weaker than John McCain on military matters." Building yourself up, even at the expense of the other guy in the race, is fine. Building up the opposing party's candidate? Tainto.
The GE is larger than the personal ambitions of either candidate. More important than getting Hillary or Obama into the White House is making sure a Democrat gets into the White House. I realize there's no way to prevent Obama and Hillary from bloodying each other up a bit, and that's fine, but when you start talking up Republicans, you've gone too far.
Let's not forget who the bad guys are. Parent
Obama isn't qualified. McCain is a disaster. Obama will be a bigger one from where I have been sitting. It is all about your perspective. Parent
C'mon! Parent
It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics.
Please note that the words "Obama" and "McCain" don't appear. (Nor does "Clinton.") Parent
Bottom line: It's just attack chatter using up bandwidth. Parent
Plouffe cited "a real character gap" and "real issues if she's going to be our nominee."
"Sen. Clinton will have a narrow playing field, in terms of the states she can put in play, and she does have this issue around trustworthiness that will give her no margin for error," he said. "It's hard to alleviate that if you continually engage in this misleading of voters."
Actually, I think it's a gift that Obama did this, because now she has a reason to make the talk show circuit and bash Obama some more. The "typical white woman" is an angry white woman, it seems. Parent
Crafty media manipulator that Hillary Clinton is! Parent
She's Phyllis Dietrichson's big sisiter.
Did they really want to go there? Hello? Ohio? Parent
She and her surrogates can remind voters of his, ummm, duplicity on the issue since he put it back out there. She has several people that remember how she felt about it during the Clinton admin. I think one on CNN, MSNBC and Fox. Parent
Something Obama did with Samantha Powers too... Parent
If he were white, [Obama] once bluntly noted, he would simply be one of nine freshmen senators, almost certainly without a multimillion-dollar book deal and a shred of celebrity. Or would he have been elected at all
That said, Richardson is a likely choice for Obama for VP, whereas I don't think he would be Clinton's choice. I think he would be asked to serve in a Clinton administration, but not as VP. Parent
When Richardson was watching the Super Bowl with Bill, Bill looked deflated--as if Richardson had told him whom he would endorse and it wasn't going to be Hillary.....
Bill just kept Richardson on the sidelines longer.... Parent
and first upset in the tourney happening to Gonzaga.
First of all, it won't happen because the Great Lakes will scream bloody murder. Second of all, it won't happen because Canada will scream bloody murder. Third of all, it won't happen because by the time any water got to the destination, it would be too expensive to use for anything but bottled water. Logistically it would be difficult. Economically, it wouldn't be feasible.
If you want to be president, try not to say idiotic things that also piss off multiple states, especially states with serious economic problems. Parent
Richardson on the ticket with Obama would not be a boon in a lot of the Great Lakes region, where that stupid quote of his would be dredged up again and again like those blasted zebra mussels that came in from the ore carriers on the locks of the St. Lawrence Seaway.
And if you don't know what that means -- well, all politics are local politics. Parent
So what will the DLC and SD's do. We're all watching. I suspect they've bought into Obamamania too much to back out now. I think there's even a psychology label for that when you've invested emotionally into something, it's very hard to change even as the facts change.
So the Obamabots like Agent Smith tell us the Obama win is inevitable. Perhaps it is. And Hillary certainly isn't a Neo that can pull a rabbit out of the hat. The only thing that can make this fair is if MI and FL can be counted in some way. I don't think that will happen in a reasonable way. But perhaps a miracle can happen.
Oooh, maybe a better analogy given the youth of the blogs and Obamabots would be the kids in the Lord of the Flies. They've gone a bit crazy, and made a horrible mess of things. Except in this case I don't think the adults are going to show up just at the end to save them. You know, I never liked the ending of that, I never thought the adults should have rescued them. Hmm.
They screw up in Afghanistan and they will blame in on the Fijians or something. Parent
His entire candidacy branched from that speech...in many regards his campaign and candidacy is completely rhetorically based and rooted...nothing there but words...what does happen when a speech won't fix a problem? Parent
Schultz = Obnoxious and Clueless rolled into one. Parent
"If the government gets a Suspicious Activity Report about a high-ranking public official, they would be negligent not to pursue it, if only to determine whether there was bribery or extortion involved," said Robert D. Luskin, a defense lawyer and former federal prosecutor. Mr. Luskin said that as the case proceeds, the more difficult questions could well involve how the information about Mr. Spitzer became public and whether the government "will prosecute Spitzer if it doesn't prosecute others in the same situation."
but IOKIYAR because:
Mr. Simon said it was unusual for the department to bring criminal charges in a prostitution case in which there was no allegation of the exploitation of children, human trafficking or some far more serious crime. He said that in his eight years in the Brooklyn office in the 1990s, he could not recall a single major criminal case that centered on prostitution charges. "There were a lot of serious crimes -- organized crime, narcotics cases, major financial crime investigations," he said in an interview. "Prostitution was not a high priority." [snip] And for years, they [the FBI] acknowledge, the department has rarely, if ever, prosecuted or even identified the clients of a prostitution ring.
He said that in his eight years in the Brooklyn office in the 1990s, he could not recall a single major criminal case that centered on prostitution charges. "There were a lot of serious crimes -- organized crime, narcotics cases, major financial crime investigations," he said in an interview. "Prostitution was not a high priority."
[snip]
And for years, they [the FBI] acknowledge, the department has rarely, if ever, prosecuted or even identified the clients of a prostitution ring.
NYT via war and piece
Come on, this is too funny!!!
Everyone thinks "Virginian = Virginia = girls name"
My intent was to just keep my comments free of any future job interviews and instead I have an online female persona...ohwell :)
I would not have said the following but given the above fact let me say...
FL/MI debacle should prompt Hillary to float a new party : "People's Voice" .. I am sure she will not only attract the votes from the core populous of the democratic party but may well take votes from Independents and Republican base who believe in the real democracy.
They were even saying it the day BEFORE Iowa. Parent
I started asking myself that in December, when 2 of my favorite sites began to be riddled with half-truths and outright lies. I'd been so positive that these sites were "self-correcting" -- that the users would not put up with misinformation.
Wrong. There was never a difference between halves of the sphere; DK and Freerepublic are populated by kindred souls. Parent
Obama needs to get people to think his sw strategy will work and to do that they think Richardson can get it for him. It is hilarious. They can't get CO and probably not NV and that is the key to the strategy.
The only way Richardson sticks his neck out like that is to be promised a slot at VP. He isn't interested in a cabinet post. Been there done that.
This endorsement is all about MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Parent
look to Northern California... lol Parent