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The Missing White House E-Mails


Jason Leopold has more on the affidavit filed by the White House in a federal court case this week in which the White House claims it had the hard drives of computer workstations destroyed when it replaced them and that it would be too expensive to search those that remain for e-mails. The period at issue is 2003 - 2005.

The White House also claims:

...there is simply no evidence to back up allegations made in a lawsuit filed by two government watchdog groups that claim the White House has lost as many as 10 million emails—some of which are said to coincide with dates involving the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson as well as the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. [White House Chief Information Officer Theresa]Payton said that since the watchdog groups’ claims are unsupported the White House should not be forced to undertake a “draconian” process of having to search for emails.

In other words, it's just a coincidence that, as Jason writes,

...computer experts could not locate a single email from the office of Vice President Dick Cheney between September 30, 2003 and October 6, 2003—the week when the Department of Justice launched an investigation into the Plame Wilson leak and set a deadline for administration officials to turn over documents and emails to federal investigators that contained any reference to her or her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson.

Additionally, Office of Administration staffers said there were at least 400 other days between March 2003 and October 2005 where emails could not be located in either Cheney’s office or the Executive Office of the President. Finally, Payton admitted in January that the White House “recycled” its computer back-up tapes until October 2003, which makes it much more difficult to retrieve emails.

Much more on the missing Cheney e-mails is here.

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    They learned at least one lesson (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oldpro on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:20:42 PM EST
    from the Nixon White House.

    remind me again... (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:42:21 PM EST
    impeachment is off the table because...why?

    Pelosi said so. nt. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Maria Garcia on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:47:17 PM EST
    Pelosi? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:15:30 PM EST
    Is she one of the party 'betters' that Yglesias refers to?

    I am quite certain that any corporate defense expressing the same arguments would likely be held in contempt.

    In this case, I think it's the EOP and EOVP that has contempt for oversight, for presidential records preservation act and lastly for the rule of law.

    This is an easy one...impeach!

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    asdf (none / 0) (#39)
    by ctrenta on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:49:15 AM EST

    This is an easy one...impeach!

    Precisely!

    The Dems can have elections and impeach at the same time. I don't understand why they think otherwise. Besides, history shows the party that conducts investigations into impeachment do well in the next election. Oh well. Looks like they'll never get it.


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    Bother Pelosi! (none / 0) (#30)
    by magnetics on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:29:54 AM EST
    and that's pretty impolite for Talkleft...

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    Yeah. (none / 0) (#33)
    by Fabian on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:25:52 AM EST
    B___er Pelosi!

    (stupid, weasely, spineless pols)

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    I'm not saying that thought hadn't occurred to me. (none / 0) (#40)
    by magnetics on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:23:20 PM EST
    Still not an excuse... (none / 0) (#37)
    by ctrenta on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:42:29 AM EST

    ... for us not to pick up the slack and demand we have investigations into impeachment. It's not about whether or not it CAN'T happen. It's about doing what's right, regardless of the odds, the naysayers, the this, the that. How much more damage to our system of government are the Dems willing to tolerate? The problem doesn't get solved by waiting for an election. The porblem gets solved by conducting responsible and appropriate investigations into impeachment.

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    IOKIYAR (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:47:11 PM EST
    Can you imagine the response to this if this were a corporation trying to get past Sarbanes-Oxley or other various ESI rules?

    That they can make this claim to the court when DOJ attorneys take the entire opposite argument daily in federal courts across the country is absolutely unbelievable.

    The admin has never even heard of the Constitution (5.00 / 6) (#5)
    by Ellie on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 07:52:12 PM EST
    [White House Chief Information Officer Theresa]Payton said that since the watchdog groups' claims are unsupported the White House should not be forced to undertake a "draconian" process of having to search for emails.

    Gawd I hate this administration.

    Has anyone told not Payton that these communications are the public's archives? That the White House isn't a private little castle for President Stompy and his slobbering coterie of ass=kissing sycophants and courtiers?

    And that this "draconian" measure she's complaining about is to basically follow the rules in place since declaring independence from actual royal fiat?

    This is how disgusting the Bush administration is. They've even gone beyond being contemptuous when asked merely to follow rule of law, when the "slightest whiff of impropriety" has been the low bar for every other administration in history.

    Nixon resigned for less.

    (Storming off into the cyberhall to call Payton a name that would get me deleted, troll rated, set my side back for three and a 20% of my foul count for a language-T. Hint: the name is Indo-European in origin but currently lives in the rectal/ cloacal reion.)

    You get a "5" (none / 0) (#14)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:19:13 PM EST
    for "cloacal."

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    If I made such an argument on behalf of (5.00 / 6) (#6)
    by litigatormom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:01:57 PM EST
    a corporated defendant in a civil litigation, both my client and I would be risking sanctions. Here's what the White House's Chief [Dis]information Officer said in an affidavit, according to the Jason Leopold story:

    "Because the allegation of missing e-mail from archives is unconfirmed, because the allegation of missing e-mails from back-up tapes is conjectural, and because the computer workstations are unlikely to house significant, if any, relevant material the costs of a forensic copy process would far outweigh any speculative benefits."

    The allegations are unconfirmed only because the White House has refused to do a thorough investigation, including data recovery from back-up tapes or servers.  Or, to put it more succinctly:

    "There is no evidence we did anything wrong because all the evidence is missing."  

    Even in cases where the loss of electronic data is "inadvertent" or "negligent," judges today get very pissed off when presented with such excuses, especially when they are coupled with "it's too expensive to search the back-up tapes or the servers."  Especially when the party resisting disclosure has a statutory or regulatory obligation to preserve such data (as most financial institutions, especially broker-dealers, do).

    As I understand the Judge Facciola's order, the White House has been ordered to create a copy of all electronic e-mails it currently has. Where there has been significant spoliation of evidence -- as there clearly has been here -- such orders are routine.  However, the purpose of such an order is to prevent further loss of evidence. It's no more than evidence preservation.  The question of evidence retrieval -- restoring copies of e-mails where the original hard drives are missing or destroyed -- is a separate, albeit very important, project.  It sounds like the White House is conflating these two distinct tasks.

    As for evidence retrieval, there is no reason why the White House should be limiting its search for missing e-mails to hard drives.  To the extent that e-mails went through the White House servers, the servers can be searched; to the extent they went through RNC servers, those servers should be searched.  Companies that specialize in electronic data preservation, restoration and retrieval can do amazing things.  It's pretty clear that the White House simply told the Chief [Dis]information Officer to stonewall, rather than think creatively about what could be done.

    Asked for comment (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by standingup on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:05:30 PM EST
    Cheney replied, "So."

    They say that Cheney's obsession (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by litigatormom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:15:14 PM EST
    with expanding the power of the Unitary Executive was a reaction to what he considered the excessive restraints on executive power enacted after Watergate. In other words, Cheney has been struggling to permit Bush and future presidents to engage in more Watergate conspiracies.

    And by all appearances, in the case of Bush, he's been spectacularly successful.  After all, Watergate started as a mere burglary/political dirty trick that metastasized into a constitutional crisis.  The Bush scandals began as abuses of the war power and refusals to permit Congress to perform its oversight functions -- in other words, it started as a constitutional crisis, and has simply been growing in scope since then.

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    It is my understanding (none / 0) (#16)
    by waldenpond on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:32:52 PM EST
    Cheney said in an interview that Nixon should have never given in.

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    "Should not have given in" (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by litigatormom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:42:28 PM EST
    Did he think that the House wouldn't have impeached Nixon?  Wrong.  Did he think Nixon would be acquitted in an impeachment trial? Wrong.

    Maybe he was thinking that Nixon could have stayed in office even after conviction in the Senate.  You know, declare a national security emergency and exercise his inherent power to protect America from the exercise of Congressional power.

    Or maybe he really is demented.

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    So? (none / 0) (#22)
    by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:12:21 PM EST
    A new definition for "So?". (none / 0) (#34)
    by Fabian on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 07:28:48 AM EST
    I have to give Cheney credit.  I never saw anyone compress "They can go Cheney themselves." into a two letter word and a punctuation mark before.

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    It's just not that hard to find emails (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by splashy on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:07:32 PM EST
    I mean, you just look at the dates, and there they are in your backup. Any IT person would have backups. It's considered incredibly embarrassing not to have them.

    This is such a big load of BS! You just don't LOSE emails.

    Premise is Off (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by pluege on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:41:00 PM EST
    I think your premise of a legitimate IT operation where backing things up is an essential function is not correct. This is a case where losing the backup is the objective, on orders from on high.

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    You're both right (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by leonid on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:14:08 AM EST
    This is the kind of thing that would have to be explicitly ordered. Keeping backups and backups of backups would be standing operating procedure. The IT people would only fail to make such backups if they were explicitly told to.

    I honestly think the White House is relying on Congress general ignorance of computers and IT issues to get away with this. Most Congresscritters, like most people, probably have no idea what goes on behind the wires coming out of the back of their computers to keep things working reliably.

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    well these computers and serves belong (none / 0) (#23)
    by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:37:57 PM EST
    mostly to the wh and will have to be left when the bushies leave. the question is what will the next president do with them. mccain won't do a thing. what will a dem president do? unfortunately i don't have much faith anymore.

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    Bushies are getting rid of the PC's, hard drives (none / 0) (#25)
    by jawbone on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:15:07 PM EST
    They said the PC's were old and had such hard use that they had a three year plan to replace them all, one third each year. From aritcle I read on how things have "gone missing."

    Bald faced lies work well for this crew.

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    no surprise here! (none / 0) (#29)
    by hellothere on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:39:56 AM EST
    i also wondered if any administration following would actually do anything about it.

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    The battery on my BushBackwards Countdown counter (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Radiowalla on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:17:14 PM EST
    ran out of juice.

    How many more days do we have to endure of these people?

    My Bush Countdown keychain (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by litigatormom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:45:02 PM EST
    has also gone kaput.

    But if you go to Bush's Last Day, you will see that Bush has 302 days and 15 hours left.  Or rather, WE have 302 days and 15 hours left.

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    you can buy new ones... (none / 0) (#26)
    by white n az on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 11:32:47 PM EST
    made in China (of course), when you get your stimulus check...and at that point, there should only be about 240 days left

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    But I was just advised this morning (none / 0) (#42)
    by litigatormom on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:43:45 PM EST
    on CNBC to use my stimulus check to pay down credit card debt, or to save it.

    And since I have no credit card debt, I will be throwing it into my daughters' savings accounts.

    Won't Bush be surprised when those checks don't fire up the economy.

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    surprised? (none / 0) (#43)
    by white n az on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:07:59 PM EST
    you actually think he loses a moment of sleep over the economy?

    The whole stimulus plan was a way for all to say that they tried and neither Bush nor Congress actually believe that it will have much of an impact.

    Much of what they do is for public consumption and to inspire public confidence...big shock.

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    WTF? The WH finds and reads our email just fine (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by Ellie on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:30:54 PM EST
    This latest load of BS from the WH drive-by clown speaker doesn't even meet its own parameters for hooey, which is forehead-smacking on an average day.

    Congress needs to march a subpoena over and physically seize some machines.

    The Exec should be required to make a sound, legal argument apart from VP Sneer saying, "So?"

    Jeez.

    If Congess issues a supoena (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by wasabi on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:39:03 PM EST
    and it gets ignored, aren't we back to the Justice Department refusing to honor contempt charges?

    I really, really want a Democrat in the White House in November.  I really, really would like to see John Edwards become AG.

    This sh*t will never stop unless a Democrat is elected.

    Not about elected Dems IMO. (none / 0) (#38)
    by ctrenta on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 09:46:49 AM EST

    Who's to say Dems won't abuse the powers bestowed upon them? Andrew Johnson did that back in the mid-1800s. Waiting for a new president doesn't solve things IMO. It's about blowing the whistle now on blatant abuses of power, bringing them to the light for what they are, and holding them accountable. The time is right and the time is VERY appropriate to hold investigations into impeachment. It's not about whether it can succeed. It's about doing the right thing at the right time to prevent further abuse from hapening (in the future).

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    marco, using curse words will get you (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by hellothere on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 10:39:12 PM EST
    deleted here. just to let you know about it! smile!

    Even when it's about Bush and Friends? (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Marco21 on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:43:13 AM EST
    But that's when it's most fitting!

    Thanks for the heads up.

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    Rules (none / 0) (#41)
    by Claw on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 04:02:21 PM EST
    You are only allowed to curse when on the senate floor :-)

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    Impeach, dammit! (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by magnetics on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 01:30:36 AM EST


    Internal/External (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:15:32 AM EST
    There are so many 'other' ways the e-mails still exist. I understand the harddrives. Nice move. And the back up tapes. Another nice move. But, the receiver of the e-mails most likely still have hard drives and servers if out of the WH.
    What this boils down to is that the law needs to be re-written to include newer technology with a plan in place as to what the WH can do or not do with e-mails. It needs to be very defined as to keeping harddrives, backup tapes, and a must for WH E-Mail system only if from a White House computer. AND, it needs to address Laptops, texting, and hand held technology. IOWs, the law must refect the times because there is always a way around things when people really want to get away with it. The Admin just keeps thumbing their nose at us. The History books will be sensational with how deceitful this WH has been. And someone always writes a book.

    Hey! They just have to look at all that data (none / 0) (#9)
    by splashy on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:10:21 PM EST
    They've been amassing on everyone. I  bet it's in there, for sure, since they have gotten everyone's communications.

    The White House (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by litigatormom on Sun Mar 23, 2008 at 08:16:58 PM EST
    is probably a "no-snoop" zone. The Pentagon, State and Justice too.  In other words, anyone who could abuse executive power is spared the intrusion of surveillance.

    But we ordinary citizens?  What do we need privacy for?

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    Negilgence or obstruction? Or both? (none / 0) (#28)
    by shoephone on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 12:19:25 AM EST
    This is yet another case of the WH giving the middle finger to Congress (and CREW, among others). Is this where Bush claims we never had the right to look at the emails and that he always had the right to destroy them due to executive privilege? What about the Presidential Records Act?

    Even though Nixon's famous 18 minutes were erased, he didn't actually get away with his exec privilege claims, at least not as far as the law was concerned. The court considered both aspects of executive privilege and found that neither was absolute. So, will this come down to the WH claiming either the presidential communications privilege (factual documents) or deliberative process privilege (general policy-making)? Seems to me that email communications come under deliberative process, and unless the Congress and my favorite bulldog, Waxman, decides to look the other way, there is a legal case to be made against the WH. Negligence and obstruction, if nothing else.

    But since I'm not a lawyer, I'd greatly welcome some expert analysis here.

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    I (none / 0) (#36)
    by Claw on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:40:15 AM EST
    Don't do this kind of law, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that if your run-of-the-mill criminal defendant attempted to pull anything like this, the judge would either die laughing or his/her head would explode during a screaming rant.
    Either way it wouldn't work.
    Judge: "You're refusing to comply with this subpoena?"
    Defendant: "So?"  


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