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Shine a Light, Martin Scorcese's new film about the Rolling Stones opens in theatres, including IMAX, April 4. The The LA Times has a good feature article on the film.

Who's looking forward to seeing it? Hillary. [more...]

Speaking to reporters aboard her campaign plane Sunday morning, the Democratic presidential contender said she was eager to see "Shine a Light," the new documentary about the legendary rock band that was directed by Martin Scorsese and opens Friday.

Clinton said she attended her first Stones show as a high school senior in 1965, and has been a few times since. She praised Mick Jagger, the band's 64-year-old lead singer, and said she admired his work ethic.

"If you go to a Stones concert today and I have been, it's just amazing," Clinton said. "He has this incredible presence. He is very disciplined, he works out, and he's incredibly devoted to what he does."

There's a clip in the film of Bill and another with Hillary's mom.

The Clinton Foundation, the former president's philanthropic effort, held a fundraiser during one of the concerts.

...[Hillary] Clinton said her mother is an even bigger fan of the Stones. "I thought she was going to just levitate," Clinton said of introducing Rodham to Richards and Jagger.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Sean Wilentz (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:02:00 AM EST
    lays blame at the Obama camp's feet--again--for playing the race card. This time in the Philly Inquirer.

    I think he's wrong to defend Bill Shaheen, but I generally agree with his premise. As a student of history, I've long admired Wilentz, and he shows his analytical mettle here. He wears his bias on his sleeve, of course, but that is better than pretending to be neutral, as others do.

    The Wilentz piece is also linked (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:16:27 AM EST
    at Huff Post.  Surprisingly.

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    Ah, (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:22:13 AM EST
    I don't read them regularly.

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    The conclusion is right on the money (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:20:42 AM EST
    Thanks for the link.


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    If this is what you think will pass as a great (none / 0) (#24)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:52:58 AM EST
    defense of Clinton, I wish you luck. Personally, I don't see how this helps Clinton. But, Philly is a large, black city, so we'll see if Mr. Wilentz boosts her numbers or brings her more scorn.

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    Philly proper is not the target (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:02:57 AM EST
    Who do you think reads the Inquirer?

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    Ah, sorry. (none / 0) (#84)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:48:27 PM EST
    I suppose you mean this paper is more preaching to the choir? Well, that takes real courage, don't it?

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    No, you have absolutely (none / 0) (#86)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:05:38 PM EST
    no idea what I'm talking about, obviously.

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    Any thought you would care to (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:52:46 PM EST
    share on why the priest invited Wright to the Angelou celebration?  See my comment above also.

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    Do you think the Catholic priest's (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:58:45 AM EST
    inviting The Rev. Wright to Maya Angelou tribute will help Obama in PA?  

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    That priest was clearly a self-hating white man (none / 0) (#85)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:55:32 PM EST
    if you are already someone who shares the Sean Hannity view of Wright.

    Dr. Angelou's celebration was not in PA. The column cited in the original comment ran in a Philly paper. I don't see how you equate the two.

    But, I do hope that the messages from various pastors around the country will reach some people in PA. No doubt Dr. Wright harbors some extreme thoughts, and he should rightly be called out for his ignorance on AIDS, etc. But Dr. Wright is also a theologian who does not sugarcoat the Gospel. If you think God endorses America's past abuses and intolerances, then we simply view the Almighty differently. Israel is his chosen people, but He did damn them when their arrogance overtook their faith. Sometimes Christians need to know things like that.

    I really wish the theology and the politics had been separated. I also wish his comments had been put in perspective by the GOP. Hannity acts as though Wright is hatemonger, but Drs. Dobson and Robertson and the late Dr. Falwell all said similarly extreme things about America. God is not an American in my view, and we should stop pretending to have the market cornered on piety.

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    Chicago. Got it. I wasn't asking (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:51:22 PM EST
    for an overview of The Rev. Wright's theology.  It is interesting to me that a Caucasian Catholic priest who apparently serves a predominantly African American Catholic parish in Chicago decided to invite Wright to the Angelou celebration, in light of the fact Angelou has written a poem lauding Hillary Clinton and the fact Wright's spoke out strongly against the Clintons from his own pulpit in Chicago.  Did the priest have his finger in the air to check the wind/prevailing sentiment of his parish?  Who knows.

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    The new Sean Wilentz story (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:10:36 AM EST
    is really something: Obama played the Race Card First (Philadelphia Inquirer 3/30/08). It's a  harrowing chronology of a strategy that may have ruined both Dem candidates.

    Excerpt: "Clinton had to fight back against a deliberately contrived strategy to make her and her husband look like race-baiters. Obama's supporters and operatives, including his chief campaign strategist David Axelrod, seized on accurate and historically noncontroversial statements and supplied a supposedly covert racist subtext that they then claimed the calculating Clinton campaign had inserted".

    (Thanks for your original link to it andgarden.)

    How Rovian (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by nellre on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:16:31 AM EST
    This is what I perceived at the time too. But I though I was off base when nobody said a word about it.

    No mention of gender bias. I see lots of that too, but maybe I'm off base there. Not.

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    Interestingly.... (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Rainsong on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:19:21 AM EST

    the gender bias in the wider world has been reported in Aussie media:

    US Women feel the Clinton backlash

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    Contrast with NYT and Obama on 'The View'... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Rainsong on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:26:11 AM EST

    Always knew there was a reason I never watched The View:

    He patted Ms. Behar's arm and whispered so intimately into Ms. Walters's ear that Ms. Hasselbeck accused them of "canoodling." Mr. Obama is an effective speaker, but he is just as smooth at wordless communication: he mixed a cool and somewhat princely demeanor with warm smiles and touches.

    Full article at: Obama and the Women of 'The View'

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    Rainsong, thanks, for NYT View link (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:45:39 AM EST
    I saw clips of it. Not "smooth", not "princely". It was painful to watch. Quite the smarm-fest. I half expected Joy Behar to suckle the man right there on the spot. (She's usually much better than that.)

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    It was so . . . ugh. But see body language (none / 0) (#70)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 09:26:09 AM EST
    by Whoopi Goldberg vs. the others (which way legs are crossed, toward or away from a speaker).  It was very obvious from the start -- although she shifted toward the end, too.  But throughout, she looked like the only one who was using her brain.  (And I'm trying to remember if she even asked a question.  She just looked like she didn't want to be there.)

    And what was with the candidate's sort of weird, fluttery hand motions at the start?  Never saw that before.  Looked like he was trying to be a BFF.

    I don't often watch the View, as every time I do, I see this sort of high school redux show.  Ugh.

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    I see, here's how to put it going forward (none / 0) (#68)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 09:04:31 AM EST
    "I'm ready for a black man to be president...

    Just not this black man."


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    Both camps (none / 0) (#91)
    by kayla on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:26:50 PM EST
    have been playing the race card.  Obama has been doing it more so, though.  I think the Jesse Jackson comment (as well as the "Two Americans" comment) was meant to try to get the Obama people to make some kind of gaff more than it was race-baiting.  And of course, Obama had to go off and make a memo with every mention of race from the Clinton campaign and list them as racially insensitive and it became an incredibly reckless trend for the Obama camp.  I think Bill was trying to lure them into doing or saying something stupid, but I don't think Bill expected the Obama camp to be so successful at it.

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    Another one bites the dust. (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Fabian on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:59:25 AM EST
    I shouldn't be surprised any more.  My first presidential primary season and at first I was shocked how many sane adults suddenly became unapologetic fanboys and fangirls.  

    Then I was appalled - especially by the sudden lack of critical thinking skills.

    Now I just wonder if they will recover.

    moopsy, (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 07:13:18 AM EST
    i hate to break the news to you, but who do you think runs the world right now? yes, it would be those
    Self-important boomers

    bear in mind, the last of the boomers is only now in their mid-40's, we'll be running the show for quite some time come! lol

    As a pre-Boomer (by a just few years) (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by alsace on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 07:46:53 AM EST
    I viewed the advent of Boomers to positions of power with dread.  I expected the pampered little brats to really screw things up.  I was pleasantly surprised by the overall competence of Clinton and the talent he appointed.  Then, along came dubya's administration  to validate my original gut feeling.  Now, looking at the probable GE matchup, I again feel taken with dread. So today I visited Clinton's contribution page and graduated from a Clinton preferrer to a Clinton supporter.

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    And we vote (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:01:21 AM EST
    consistently...

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    So you've found a competent candidate (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by alsace on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:30:46 AM EST
    born between 1965 and 1973 that you are supporting?  Please do share.

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    Funniest of your comments yet (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by Cream City on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 09:31:26 AM EST
    I'm starting to make a Moopsy collection of greatest hits-and-bits here.

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    Boomer envy (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:29:20 AM EST
    I always wonder about the Boomer hate.  If they hate us so much how come they still listen to our music, still re-invent our clothes and never managed to put together any kind of social or cultural revolution?  

    Pampered, who was pampered?  The pampereds are the children of the Boomers.  Don't get me started, but where is Kathie when you need her.  She has a great tirade starting from T-ball.  

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    Where in the heck is Kathy?? I miss her greatly!!! (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by athyrio on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:38:51 AM EST
    She was one of our funniest posters....

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    Start with calling oneself Moopsy (none / 0) (#75)
    by kenoshaMarge on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:30:16 AM EST


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    up and comers (none / 0) (#67)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:59:07 AM EST
    That means Paris, Britany, and Lyndsay are still too young. What a shame. But only a few years away and working their way up the ladder. And don't think Paris would not run as a lark. She would.Heh

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    Well, I will hand you over the to do list (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:32:48 AM EST
    1.  World peace.
    2.  End hunger.
    3.  Economic justice.
    4.  Social justice.
    5.  Protect the Earth.
    6.  Preserve human rights and expand to emerging economies.  

    Go for it.  Ta...ta..

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    well good for you guy! (3.00 / 2) (#40)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:44:38 AM EST
    and we should care what you think because?

    please, do list the "BS" that you've read here, let the rest of us "low information" voters in on your deeply analytical insights.

    please? pretty please? lol

    Yay!!! (none / 0) (#2)
    by kredwyn on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:05:28 AM EST
    Open thread...and a frustrated writer.

    Have decided to set the novel aside for a while and work on a piece for Script Frenzy.

    Right now I have an idea re: a researcher and the mystery surrounding Richard III. But I'm still trying to figure out why anyone would be interested in hiding a manuscript find or silencing the researcher who discovers the documents. After all, the 15th century was a really really long time ago.

    So you're basically saying (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by badger on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:22:54 AM EST
    that the winter of your discontent might be made glorious summer by a son of York?

    Catchy.

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    Prolly... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kredwyn on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:43:10 AM EST
    But I just don't know why anyone would want to shut down her investigation.

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    I'm thinking of (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:01:45 AM EST
    Jacqueline Tey's The Daughter of Time.  Any connection?

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    That was a pretty good book... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kredwyn on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:04:35 AM EST
    and will probably get referenced. It's a bit different in that my premise is that new information  would be discovered in this manuscript.

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    Good clip (none / 0) (#3)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:15:55 AM EST
    That looks like lots of fun. Who knew they would still be so popular. The Stonesssssssssssss. Cool. As a side note, both BHO and Hillary will be in Scranton on Tuesday. She announced on Saturday she will have a town hall meeting at Kings College and his bus arrives. With Casey? He has two speaking engagements. Dunmore Community Ctr and Wilkes College. Good for her, she saw the bus route. Heh.

    Meanwhile, photos of Obama (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:17:54 AM EST
    bowling in PA.  Looking for low-information voters?

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    Well it seems he's too busy to meet Aussie PM.. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Rainsong on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:00:34 AM EST

    The new Aussie PM, Kevin Rudd unveiled his new government's foreign policy, and international trade issues, and is now on his first world tour to introduce himself to the world's leaders, starting with GW Bush this week, but will also be meeting personally with both John McCain and Hillary Clinton -- but Obama can only manage a telephone call with him, presumably when he has few minutes between campaign commitments:

    Sydney Morning Herald - Rudd USA visit

    Does that mean Obama has no opinion on the US-Aust Free Trade Agreement? Or can he get by with "what she said"?

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    What does that mean... (none / 0) (#78)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:02:10 AM EST
    ...only poor, stupid, uninformed people bowl?  

    I think that crack is beneath you Oculus.  And, as a bowler since the time I could walk, I take exception.

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    Also... (none / 0) (#81)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:10:37 AM EST
    ...I found this comment from Wonkette to be teh funny...

    "Hillary Clinton once bowled a 300 in northern Ireland while under sniper fire during the Harding administration. She is ready to bowl on day one!"


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    Correction (none / 0) (#22)
    by PennProgressive on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:52:23 AM EST
    Hillary will be in Wlkes Barre, not in Scranton (about 25 minutes drive from Scranton), holding a town hall meeting at Kings College. Too bad,it is in the middle of the day and I will not be able to attened. They should have held it at least around 3 or 4 pm, giving more people  an opportunity to attend.
    As far as I know, Obama will be in both Scranton and Wilkes Barre on Tuesday.

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    Either of them going to check out (none / 0) (#44)
    by clapclappointpoint on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:14:24 AM EST
    this place while they're in Scranton?

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    LOL-Cute & Cool-The Office. (none / 0) (#62)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:08:34 AM EST
    Yeah, Hillary will be in WilkesBarre but I think of Scranton/Wilkes Barre together they are so close. The 25 miles mentioned above makes it seem far & I would have said 10 miles, but it is a fast 15 mins on I81. They share the same airport. Oh, that's right, she is flying in and he is on the bus. Ha. So the planes do not meet.

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    Stones...!! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:16:50 AM EST
    Hillary is coming to California next week to raise money.  I will see her on Thursday in SF.  Hope they play the Stones.  

    Stellaaa: first, don't miss (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:19:19 AM EST
    Nora Ephron's piece at Huff Post.

    Second:  please analyze why the Clintons (if they do) admire the Stones more than the Beatles.  I understand there have been academic studies on why people prefer one group over the other.  

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    I'd like to know that too! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oldpro on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:35:31 AM EST
    For me, it's The Beatles for the music...the Stones for performance.

    But that's why they make chocolate, strawberry AND vanilla...and all those other flavors...every single one of which can be improved by a dollop of hot fudge (except licorice, of course).

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    I am bi... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:33:15 AM EST
    I was more of a Stones cause I like to dance, my daughter and husband love to sing so they love the Beatles.  I go both ways.  

    I will read the Ephron.  

    Are your spirits better this week?  

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    Yes. Probably because I was (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:46:24 AM EST
    internet-deprived this weekend!

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    Cold turkey (none / 0) (#20)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:48:24 AM EST
    Need to go cold turkey a few days.  It's way too obsessive.  

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    Blame it on Mexico. Even the (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:49:53 AM EST
    cell phones don't work in Rosarita area.

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    Just a though, Stones or Beatles (none / 0) (#36)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:23:34 AM EST
    Makes sense, Hillary (and Bill) would prefer the Stones. After all, the Stones are survivors, they're still at it. The Beatles (bless their hearts) folded very early, and now half of them are deceased.

    Also, it always seemed to me that the Stones, and their fans, had more joie de vivre. The Clintons also have that in a major way as well.

    Are there any two contemporary groups who proto-typify differing sensibilities in the way the Stones and the Beatles have?

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    And you can still go to a Stones concert (none / 0) (#63)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:11:27 AM EST
    They probably like the Beatles too and would go to their concert if they could.

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    www (none / 0) (#11)
    by amde on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:27:10 AM EST
    i was talking to my mom, telling her how sad that a republican was gonna end up winning by default and she says... "i dont know. i think you'll be surprised. Im counting on that slick willie. if I know anything about slick willie is that he has something up his sleeve. leave it to slick willie"

    hahaa. well only time will tell.

    Did anyone watching (none / 0) (#14)
    by suisser on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:42:25 AM EST
    Obama today get the impression that he was off his game? And I don't mean bowling.  Golden boy just seemed a bit less golden in his stump speech in PA. Tripping a bit over his words and just not...well, Golden? And the crowd didn't have the usual hyped up energy. My imagination?

    Look at this pic of him.. (none / 0) (#16)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:44:58 AM EST
    I say he is off game!

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    Not a detail guy. Big picture. (none / 0) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:48:09 AM EST


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    Oh (none / 0) (#31)
    by nellre on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:09:10 AM EST
    Kinda like Bush?

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    Great video (none / 0) (#80)
    by joyce1 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:10:09 AM EST
    of Hillary, brought tears to my eyes. I just love this woman so much, she is a great lady who has done a lot for her country. I laughed when I saw the picture of Obama, reminded me of the chimp. BTW I have added this site to my favourites.

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    What happened in PA (none / 0) (#25)
    by PennProgressive on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:54:32 AM EST
    I did not watch it. Anything major?

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    He is not as popular in Penna. (none / 0) (#66)
    by BarnBabe on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:49:22 AM EST
    When you have gotten use to being the golden celebrity and then you get to a whistle stop where you are just another guy, it can make you more humble. I was wondering why he went bowling.

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    I saw a clip of him in PA (none / 0) (#92)
    by kayla on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:45:45 PM EST
    at a gas station on MSNBC.  It was funny because on that channel they always act as if it's breaking news whenever he opens his mouth.  So they had live coverage of this press conference.  The bit they showed didn't make Obama look good.  He was being questioned by a reporter about a misstatement he had made about Pakistan and his criticism of McCain on the issue, I think.  Obama became really combative and asked in kind of a frustrated and snippy manner, "What a minute.  Did I misquote Sentaor McCain??"  The reporter mumbled something, I couldn't hear him well.  And then Obama kind of gave some response that didn't make a lot of sense to me and then looked over and pointed out Dan Rather and said, "Dan Rather!".  He was really trying to get out of that mess quickly.  

    He's not very good at press conferences...

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    Did anyone else see the Jay Leno skit (none / 0) (#18)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:46:32 AM EST
    w/ Obama telling Clinton, "I'm going to take you down, b*$%@!"???

    Did anyone else ROFL? I thought it was hilarious. The set up was perfect, and the delivery of the punch line was just right. Truly great comedy.

    was it even more funny (none / 0) (#32)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:09:11 AM EST
    than tracy morgan smacking down tina?

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    Obama supporters laugh (none / 0) (#65)
    by Josey on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 08:42:48 AM EST
    at Hillary called a B - but both Obama actors on Jay Leno and SNL portray him as stupid, uninformed - answering easy debate questions with "what she said."


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    I agree-- Obama's portrayal on SNL (none / 0) (#73)
    by Exeter on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:10:20 AM EST
    of a Forest Gumpesque charactor is pretty ridiculous. SNL seems to either go in over the top for Hillary or over the top for Obama and knows no middle ground.

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    I'd prefer (none / 0) (#79)
    by Josey on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 11:06:03 AM EST
    a B to fix the economy - rather than a Forrest Gump.


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    I'll take Forrest. (none / 0) (#83)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:46:51 PM EST
    He had the Midas touch, and a pure heart.

    I felt bad for Forrest when Jenny died, but she was not a sympathetic character; she was a b---.

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    I laugh at both equally. (none / 0) (#82)
    by halstoon on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:44:46 PM EST
    That is why the skit works so well. They show Obama doing his thing in a very mocking way, clearly insulting his intelligence and competence. I don't come on here and whine about it. I just laugh. It's funny, for cryin' out loud.

     If your feelings are hurt by Hillary being called a b--, then perhaps this is the wrong arena for you. Politics is not powder puff. It's grown folks business.

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    Actually I prefer the *B* (none / 0) (#87)
    by Josey on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:12:27 PM EST
    to deal with the economy, housing mess, health care, Iraq, etc. - rather than an expert on Kumbaya.


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    Have Obama's "misstatements" (none / 0) (#23)
    by Josey on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 12:52:58 AM EST
    about his father's connections to the Kennedy family been on TV?
    Is there a video yet of Obama speaking these untruths juxtaposed with factual phrases from the WaPo article?

    Not yet (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Lou Grinzo on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 07:38:11 AM EST
    That kind of video will only appear in the "dirty politics" of the GE.

    And appear it will.  Would you want to be the only thing between Republican money and the presidency?


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    Yeah, on Morning Joe (none / 0) (#93)
    by kayla on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:52:57 PM EST
    Mika asked Axelrod about it.  And he said it's just family folklore which is not nearly as bad as lying about your own experiences.

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    Entire NC Dem House delegation (none / 0) (#35)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:18:32 AM EST
    is going to endorse Obama.....Minn Senator Klobuchar is going to endorse Obama tomorrow as well.  Per the Wall Street Journal.

    That is 7 more superdelegates for Obama.....The talk of taking this to the convention is persuading superdelegates to act.

    which will be meaningless (none / 0) (#39)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:42:08 AM EST
    come nov. NC will vote for john mccain in the GE, regardless of who the dem. nominee is, i guarantee it.

    i wondered if robert deniro makes any kind of appearance in this film? i don't think scorcese has ever made a film without deniro being involved in it in some way, shape or form.

    oddly, i think the beatles and stones fed off of each other at first: the beatles were the nice, clean-cut young men, playing kind of fun music. the stones were their antithesis, the "bad boys" of british blues. the stones would have done just fine without the beatles, but having them around certainly highlighted the differences between the two groups.

    i liked/like both. to their credit, the beatles evolved musically, much more so than the stones i think. unfortunately, i believe this accelerated their breakup, two huge egos unable to work together (you decide who the two were! lol). jagger, with his business school background, does a much better job keeping the rest in line (sort of), and not allowing artistic egos to get in the way of work.

    anyhow, that's my story and i'm sticking to it!

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    I think Deniro (none / 0) (#45)
    by clapclappointpoint on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:20:20 AM EST
    was left out of "The Departed".  Maybe he was the jinx that prevented Scorsese from getting the Oscar after being nominated so many times, idk.

    On the NC endorsements, I'd like to remind you that every state (that didn't break the rules) is allowed to help choose our nominee.  Though you may not like their decisions all the time, remember that there are a lot of Dems in red states "behind enemy lines" that could probably use some support and encouragement.

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    no kidding? really? (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by cpinva on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 07:07:16 AM EST
    wow, thanks for letting me in on that little secret, i do appreciate it.

    On the NC endorsements, I'd like to remind you that every state (that didn't break the rules) is allowed to help choose our nominee.

    let me rephrase my original point, since it seems to have clearly gone wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy over your head: it doesn't matter who the dem. nominee is, they will NOT WIN NC in the GE. nor will they win SC, a state sen. obama won handily, or any other deep south state. the demographics work against them.

    granted, they might do a tad better than usual, if the AA community comes out en masse, but they'll still lose those electoral votes to mccain.

    as well, while i'm sure the five democrats in wyoming will be encouraged, it won't change at all the fact that wyoming (just as a glaring example) will vote for mccain come nov.

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    Heh.... (none / 0) (#37)
    by Alec82 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 01:30:31 AM EST
    ...I just can't resist the generational gap.  There was, after all, an unreleased documentary covering their 1972 tour (C-something blues, and I'll give you a hint: the title is not so much sexist as it is homophobic) after the disastrous Altamont concert.  

     Luckily, some of us didn't stop thinking about tomorrow. ;-)  

    Small businesses (none / 0) (#46)
    by clapclappointpoint on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:23:35 AM EST
    are great in theory, but they're sort of lame when they run around whining about how "they want to get paid for their work".  Freaking pansies need to know that politics is a contact sport and sometimes working people need to cover the costs for a while until the hedge fund checks start rolling in.

    Paid for working? (none / 0) (#47)
    by Alec82 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:30:08 AM EST
    ...great in theory, but they're sort of lame when they run around whining about how "they want to get paid for their work".  Freaking pansies need to know that politics is a contact sport and sometimes working people need to cover the costs for a while

     Do we live in the same country?  Or did I completely miss what you are getting at?
     

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    /snark (none / 0) (#50)
    by clapclappointpoint on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:59:52 AM EST
    There's an article on Politico.com that claims that hundreds of vendors are getting stiffed by the Clinton campaign.  Some math, based on Feb disclosures, has suggested that the Clinton campaign may be in the red (barring a particularly active March).

    I was just trying to make the point that Hillary has been championing working class people while (1) being super rich and (2) not paying bills owed to working class people/small business owners.

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    Misunderstanding (n/t) (none / 0) (#51)
    by Alec82 on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 04:06:30 AM EST


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    tell us, what article where? (none / 0) (#49)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 03:48:35 AM EST


    Shoulda gotten paid up front. (none / 0) (#53)
    by Fabian on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 05:06:15 AM EST
    My old boss at the print shop took nothing but COD from politicians.  He got burned a few times and figured that no income was better than a loss.

    He didn't discriminate either, big, little, left, right - they were all unreliable pols to him.

    FIA-Max Mosley (none / 0) (#72)
    by ccokz on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 10:06:31 AM EST
    ccokzblog

    What a scandal! The pictures of the English paper are despicable and make u throw up. A grey-haired old man is laying nude on the floor, hes tied. Hes moaning for lust. A blond whore is measuring his chest size, is looking for germs on his head. According to the paper, the man in the video is Max-Mosley. Unbelievable accusation: the sado-maso role play is similiar to the cruel Nazi examinations in concentrations camps.

    New Obama Endorsement (none / 0) (#90)
    by squeaky on Mon Mar 31, 2008 at 02:59:10 PM EST
    Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota announced this morning that she was endorsing Sen. Barack Obama, the latest prominent superdelegate to climb off the fence for the Illinois senator.

    Klobuchar, a freshman, had been reluctant to publicly reject Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, even though Obama had easily won her state in Feb. 5. In a statement, she compared him to homestate icon Hubert Humphrey, lauding Obama's "different voice, bringing a new perspective and inspiring a real excitement from the American people."

    She said her decision reflected Obama's success in Minnesota as well as "my own independent judgment about his abilities."

    WaPo

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