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Obama Raised $55 Million in February

Barack Obama's February fundraising numbers are out. He raised $55 million.

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With Hillary's wins Tuesday, more superdelegates supporting Obama are holding off saying she should withdraw. Other superdelegates are holding off on endorsing period.

Obama faces an uphill battle in Pennsylvania.

John McCain is stepping up the inexperienced argument against Obama:

When asked if he would meet with Raul Castro of Cuba, McCain turned his answer into a criticism of Obama. “I would not in any way, as Senator Obama wants to do, legitimize an individual who has been responsible for education, repression, political prisons and a gulag,” McCain said. "I don't know if [Obama] is naïve or not, I know he is inexperienced.”

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    Obama's answer on Diplomacy (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:42:30 PM EST
    Has always been wrong.

    It's a legitimate liability.  Not just in terms of electability but in terms of his ability to lead the country.

    I think he'll be an incompetent president on this issue.


    So far that is my view as well (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Salt on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:56:37 PM EST
    I just groaned when during the debate he said he would return if Al Qaeda turned up in Iraq, I knew that was an RNC campaign companion piece to the I'll meet with any dictator and talk.  He just doesn't seem to know this area at all and tries to bluff or that's how he comes off.  Add as Chair he hasn't held a security meeting because he is too busy running for President that had to frighten the American People who were unaware. Its a problem for sure.

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    Too busy to hold a meeting - the moment my mom (none / 0) (#82)
    by catfish on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:31:28 PM EST
    "fell out of love" with Obama. She saw it in the debate (already voted Obama in California.)

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    Neither Obama nor Clinton .. (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by Meteor Blades on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:59:03 PM EST
    ...are going to follow a foreign policy that comes close to what is really needed to curtail the American empire. So I can't say I'm thrilled to be nitpicking the details of doctrines forged in the middle of the containing of communism when what we need is a post-Cold War, post-9/11 foreign policy that upends 65-110 years (depending on how you count) of imperialism (and its concomitant, militarism).

    We have relations with communist China, Saudi Arabia, Uzbekistan, and f'n Sudan, but we can't have them with Cuba? It's ridiculous. And while there are still a lot of Cuban-Americans in South Florida who won't vote for Obama or Clinton just because they are Democrats doesn't mean that it's "incompetent" to suggest talking to the leaders of Cuba (or Iran or elsewhere). We talked with the Soviet Union, it should be recalled, and had an embassy there even as we built thousands of warheads for use against each other.  

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    American Empire can't be curtailed (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:06:04 PM EST
    It's like telling Richard Simmons to curtail being obnoxious.

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    I gotta ask (none / 0) (#42)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:02:34 PM EST
    you really want the President of the United States to fly to North Korea and without any preconditions, sit down with Kim Jong-Il, who from all accounts could be mentally ill, and have a conversation with him?

    What are they going to talk about?  What is it going to change?

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    My Pet Goat (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:03:36 PM EST
    For starters.

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    Which Is Why (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:06:51 PM EST
    We cannot afford to have Bush for a third term.

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    They never specified the where... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:16:37 PM EST
    and yes, he should... same way Clinton met with China ...  plus, Bush is mentally ill but I'm glad people still met with him someimes.

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    What Obama Really Meant (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:47:31 PM EST
    I don't think Obama meant in his initial answer that he would personally meet with all those leaders because I don't think he really thought it through.  Clinton saw an opening at that debate and hit him on it.  Then he dug into his original position.  

    I used to represent the United States in working level meetings with foreign countries (allies, admittedly).  Neither Obama nor Clinton is going to meet with Iran or N. Korea without a lot of work being done in advance, which means pre-conditions.  It's stupid not to because the last thing Obama wants is to meet with Iran and for Iran to tell him to his face to go screw himself.  Iran won't take that risk either.  And Obama knows this because in talking about Cuba at one of the recent debates Obama claimed to have no precondition requirement and then set conditions:

    "I would meet without preconditions, although Senator Clinton is right that there has to be preparation. It is very important for us to make sure that there was an agenda and on that agenda was human
    rights, releasing of political prisoners, opening up the press. And that preparation might take some time.

    But I do think that it is important for the United States not just to talk to its friends but also to talk to its enemies," he said. That's a line Obama often uses in decribing how he would approach diplomacy.

    There is simply no difference between this position and the Clinton position since she has also said the U.S. must talk to its enemies, it is only a personal meeting with the President that she would set pre-conditions on.  And as a practical matter so would Obama even if he won't come out and call them that.

    This is one of the stupidest foreign policy debates EVER.  Obama doesn't think about the issue of meeting prep or the potential of using meetings with the U.S. President as a negotiating tool and instead focuses on the arguably more important point for the U.S. to talk to enemies as well as allies at a debate.  Clinton hits him on it to score debate points.  That was all fine and well.  Then, IIRC, Clinton hits him again the next day, which was lame, but whatever.  Then instead of admitting he'd misspoke or clarifying what he meant, Obama dug in.  Moreover, he started to try to blur Clinton's position by saying that she wouldn't talk to our enemies, when in fact her administration would do so and that has always been her position.  So when Clinton said "I would negotiate with Iran" to fight back against this blur, , Obama claimed a flip-flop because she used the pronoun "I".  I wish I were joking.  Because when we're fighting over fricking pronouns you know we've hit on a stupid, meaningless argument and somehow I doubt when Obama promises "I" will do something he always means that he personally will do it.

    Anyway, from what I can tell, both Obama and Clinton have basically the same position on talking to Iran, Cuba, N. Korea.  The only thing about all of this that is at all interesting to me was Obama's decision to dig in instead of admitting his initial misstep and that's mostly because he appears to have done the same thing with UHC.  But all in all, this entire argument has been a total waste of time for both candidates.

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    A lot of that is true (none / 0) (#109)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:05:07 PM EST
    If he's president, I hope you're right, that what he said about Diplomacy during the election was just a process of him holding his ground for the sake of the election, and he and his cabinet will know that some pre-conditions actually do make sense.  

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#4)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:44:22 PM EST
    Incompetent?  Because he won't adhere to the Bush Doctrine?  Are you serious?  

    Clearly your hate of Obama has blinded you.

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    No (none / 0) (#6)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:45:26 PM EST
    Because he won't adhere to the Kennedy doctrine.


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    The Kennedy Doctrine? (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:49:44 PM EST
    The one that expanded our role in Vietnam?  The one that soured our relations with Cuba so badly that it entrenched anti-Americanism so deeply that ensured 40 years of Castro rule?  

    The Cold War has been over for nearly 20 years.  It's time to accept that Cold War diplomacy isn't the way to go anymore.

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    Flyerhawk, what about Edgar08's Question? (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:03:53 PM EST
    Could it be that Obama's crush on JFK has more to do with emulating the Kennedy style rather than policy positions?

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    So Why Does (none / 0) (#19)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:50:31 PM EST
    Obama keep quoting Kennedy?

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    Because of his general message (none / 0) (#32)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:57:29 PM EST
    and the nostalgic view people have of him.  

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    So it's just talk then (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:02:18 PM EST

    This is a good read so you know where I'm coming from on this.

    link

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    Of course it is (none / 0) (#64)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:18:14 PM EST
    Why in the world would anyone enact policies today from the 1960s?  In today's world JFK would be considered a straight Conservative.

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    OK (none / 0) (#72)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:21:41 PM EST
    So when I conclude that Obama will use the rhetoric of JFK without implementing those policies, I feel better about concluding that he will also use rhetoric about NAFTA that will not be reflected in actual policy.

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    My friend... (none / 0) (#159)
    by Chisoxy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:46:49 PM EST
    ...flyerhawk,the Bush Doctrine isnt the only other option. Its not only Obamas version or BUsh version.

    Secondly, what is the difference between preconditions and preparations? At what point do preparations become preconditions, or vise versa?  

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    The right thing to do with Cuba (none / 0) (#69)
    by Manuel on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:20:52 PM EST
    is to put it in the context of continental diplomacy.  We have always been the odd man out in the continent wrt Cuba.  Dropping the embargo could be leveraged to jumpstart a serious comprehensive approach to the region.  We have given Chavez a lot of material to use against us.  The long running war on drugs has had a lot of undesirable consequences.  Even the late William Buckley understood that.  It's time to pursue a new Alliance for Progress.

    Neither Clinton nor Obama have offered a compelling vision on Continental diplomacy.  I have slightly higher hopes for Clinton on this area.  Obama's pronouncements so far have struck me as somewhat idealistic and naive (and likely to be exploited by McCain).

    Parent

    did you read (none / 0) (#81)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:31:03 PM EST
    Clinton's statement regarding Columbia and Chavez that was released yesterday?


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    All I've found so far (none / 0) (#110)
    by Manuel on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:07:13 PM EST
    is a statement saying Chavez must stop.  That is actually discouraging (though probably wise politically).  If war breaks out between Colombia, Ecuador, and Venezuela, the US will intervene on Colombia's behalf.  I hope that doesn't happen.  The way to counter Chavez id with a new approach to Cuba, drug enforcement, and the region as a whole.  

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    Incompetent or will learn on the job like JFK (none / 0) (#83)
    by catfish on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:32:19 PM EST
    Bay of Pigs was his training, so was meeting with Krushchev, JFK said after "it was a disaster. He walked all over me."

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    I just hope (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:44:43 PM EST
    Insecurity doesn't prohibit him from this kind of introspection.

    He hasn't admitted one mistake yet.


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    As BDB Says Upthread - (none / 0) (#138)
    by catfish on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:01:20 PM EST
    Upthread, in the What Obama Really Meant
    Anyway, from what I can tell, both Obama and Clinton have basically the same position on talking to Iran, Cuba, N. Korea.  The only thing about all of this that is at all interesting to me was Obama's decision to dig in instead of admitting his initial misstep and that's mostly because he appears to have done the same thing with UHC.  But all in all, this entire argument has been a total waste of time for both candidates.


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    And that scares me (none / 0) (#147)
    by sumac on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:31:27 PM EST
    because it reminds me so much of Bush. The digging in and refusing to admit even the tiniest of mistakes.

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    There might be a course of action (none / 0) (#156)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:04:59 PM EST
    That exists somewhere in between John McCain and Barack Obama.

    I never said I agreed with McCain's statement.

    Think of how the peace process worked in No. Ireland and consider that a cease fire was a legitimate and smart precondition to things like visas and meetings there.


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    So I guess (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:43:12 PM EST
    So I guess McCain doesn't plan to meet with Chinese delegate or Russian delegates.  Probably should steer clear of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.  

    If I were Obama I would absolutely pummel that McCain quote.  

    great point flyerhawk (none / 0) (#43)
    by dem08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:03:04 PM EST
    The sheer hypocrisy of saying some despots are good is beyond me. The Saudi's have so much of our blood and other blood on their hands and the Chinese leaders actions are reprehensible. I think this issue is a debater's point that fails the laugh test. (When an idea is so transparently hypocritical, like Paris Hilton calling for a Meritocrisy, that people cannot help laughing, an idea fails the laugh test.) I have no idea why Senator Clinton chose this issue, when she knows as President, and she will win the nomination, she will welcome all these tyrants and dictators the way every president has, and does, and will.

    Parent
    The quote is from McCain, not Clinton (none / 0) (#59)
    by hookfan on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:16:19 PM EST
    McCain: "I know he is inexperienced!" (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:43:12 PM EST
    (Because his own surrogates told me so!)

    Link and look at the video

    With surrogates like that, who needs enemies?

    Jerome's update (none / 0) (#10)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:47:26 PM EST
    says all you need to know about that quote...

    Someone makes the point, "the clip above is edited". Of course it is, so what? Context? GMAFB. The hypothetical McCain commercial has all it needs from the 3 seconds provided.

    I am about sick and tired of hearing Clinton supporters say "You think this is bad?  Wait till McCain attacks him".  That isn't a blank check to distort comments by editing them and eliminating context.

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    The point is (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:01:44 PM EST
    that this is all McCain needs for his 3 second ad.

    McCain isn't going to run this in context.

    McCain has been given a gift here by Obama.

    If you're going to get peeved at someone, get peeved at your candidate's surrogate for giving McCain a really, really GREAT soundbite.

    It WILL be used -- by McCain, without context -- just like the Kerry's, "I was for the war before I was against it" comment.

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    Okay ... (5.00 / 3) (#50)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:07:16 PM EST
    but that's not "edited."  Which implied the clip itself was monkeyed with.

    By your definition all clips are "edited."

    It hasn't been "edited."  It's just a clip.  She still said what she said.

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    I assume you were (none / 0) (#54)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:11:04 PM EST
    replying to Flyerhawk rather than to me....

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    Yes ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:19:09 PM EST
    the nesting here isn't always perfect.

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    Oh! Come On!! (none / 0) (#137)
    by PlayInPeoria on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:00:54 PM EST
    Repubs know how to go after Sen Obama...they will actually think of ways that Sen Clinton has not thought of....... At least Sen Clinton is toughening him up.

    Politics are politics.

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    What's the edit? (none / 0) (#30)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:56:58 PM EST
    I don't see it.

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    He is the intro (none / 0) (#41)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:02:31 PM EST
    to what she said...

    "He hasn't claimed that he's been in a position to have to answer the phone at three o'clock in the morning in a crisis situation. That's the difference between the two of them. Hillary Clinton hasn't had to answer the phone at three o'clock in the morning, and yet she attacked Barack Obama."

    then she she says...

    The question is, when that phone call is received for each of them for the first time, who's going to make the right judgment, who's going to make the right decision? On the critical foreign policy issues of the day, whether it was the decision to go war in Iraq, or the decision to give president bush the benefit of the doubt to beat the drums of war on Iran, Hillary Clinton has made the same wrong judgments as John McCain and President Bush.


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    Maybe McCain will include that (none / 0) (#80)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:30:34 PM EST
    if Obama calls him up and asks him to be fair like Lorne Michaels.

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    I would take these criticisms (none / 0) (#89)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:39:09 PM EST
    more seriously if the various Hillary fans here didn't completely dismiss as irrelevant her comment from earlier this week about McCain being more experienced than Obama.  

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    Whining (none / 0) (#99)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:47:36 PM EST
    You mean like what Clinton said to the moderators at the debate on national TV???

    They are both whining, and both need to stop.

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    Out of context (none / 0) (#14)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:48:51 PM EST
    http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/

    This is why people need to do their research...

    And why the media has been TERRIBLE (on both sides) with the reporting

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    In or Out of Context (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:53:04 PM EST
    It was a dumb thing to say.


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    In context (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:55:31 PM EST
    it was amazingly foolish.  I would go so far as to say downright stupid.  And I stand by my earlier question: if we are to believe that Obama has such good judgment, then why the boneheaded deal with Rezko?

    And don't throw the Iran vote into this because, as has been the case with his oversight committee that has done no oversight, Obama was too busy campaigning to cast the vote.

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    Ahhh Rezko (none / 0) (#29)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:56:52 PM EST
    Is there anywhere it can be applied?

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    LOLOL (none / 0) (#85)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:35:43 PM EST
    I assume you meant is there anywhere it can't be applied? It's like a magical solvent, applicable anywhere. :-P

    We'll see. Where there's smoke there's a gigantic, exciting, advertisement-selling forest fire (at least for the newssellers).

    Rezko is just an application of Clinton's Rules to Obama. Same with this clip. The rule is: "If I can get away with it, I'll use it." McCain will get away with it unless we can find a simple way to contest it, and right now the only answer is to find a portion of that clip that explains what REALLY was meant, and make sure that clip is shorter than 3 seconds.


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    Its the standard response (none / 0) (#151)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:55:48 PM EST
    Like all the "Obama has the pledged delegate lead and its over" and "she will bring out the republicans" or any of the other ad nauseam lines from the Obama camp.

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    maybe (none / 0) (#33)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:57:52 PM EST
    Maybe stupid but also honest... that's what is so frustrating about it

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    Well Then (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:45:59 PM EST
    "I would not in any way, as Senator Obama wants to do, legitimize an individual who has been responsible for education, repression, political prisons and a gulag,"

    That rules out ever having to legitimize McCain.

    and all that money (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by Turkana on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:48:23 PM EST
    couldn't stop hillary in ohio and texas. wonder what that means...

    Wonder How Much He Spent (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:54:08 PM EST
    He outspent her 3 or 4 to 1 in those states.  

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    $55 million to get you 3 (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by SarahinCA on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:48:33 PM EST
    not-as-bad-as-you-thought-they'd-be losses?


    Do you understand the difference between (none / 0) (#51)
    by JJE on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:08:31 PM EST
    money spent and money raised?  All signs point to no.

    Parent
    Well then he learned not to hold back on spending (none / 0) (#88)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:37:46 PM EST
    But he did outspend Hillary 3-1, 4-1 in the Ohio (or was it Texas?) primary, and it didn't get him what he wanted.

    Parent
    Numbers for (none / 0) (#90)
    by PlayInPeoria on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:42:46 PM EST
    spending should be out soon.

    But if Sen Obama did NOT out spend her on ads, then I would say that was NOT a very good political move. He needed TX & OH.

    If history proves right, he spent at least 2 to 1 in TX.

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    Obama Outspent Her On Ads (none / 0) (#106)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:58:01 PM EST
    From the NYT

    Mr. Obama, campaign officials said, has spent about $10 million on television advertising in Texas since early February; Mrs. Clinton has spent just less than $5 million. Mr. Obama has spent about $5.3 million for television advertising in Ohio, compared with just under $3 million for Mrs. Clinton, the officials said.

    It looks to me like that was as of 2/28 and so may not include those 2 minute closing ads that he bought in Texas.  I've read estimates that when it's all said and done, he probably outspent her 3 or 4 to 1 in those states.  It's unclear if that will include the money the unions and others poured into them on his behalf.

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    uhh, all signs point to (none / 0) (#100)
    by SarahinCA on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:48:52 PM EST
    his outspending her 3 or 4 to 1, so uh, lemme know when you get his cash on hand numbers and get back to me with where all the signs point.

    Parent
    Be nice (none / 0) (#101)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:52:26 PM EST
    If you don't think Ohio was bad... (none / 0) (#133)
    by BrandingIron on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:56:38 PM EST
    ...then I have no other words.

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    Right no hope (none / 0) (#152)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:57:38 PM EST
    That is why the Obama campaign is pushing so hard for her to drop out, so she can go home and enjoy having no hope. Because, you know, they are not at all nervous that she may actually be able to win this thing.

    When I am sure I have won I just sit back and enjoy myself, I don't bother trying to get the other side to end the race.

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    Education? (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by QuakerInABasement on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:48:43 PM EST
    "I would not in any way, as Senator Obama wants to do, legitimize an individual who has been responsible for education..."

    I wonder what he meant to say.

    No Child Left Behind? ;-) nt (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Maria Garcia on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:54:32 PM EST
    Commie Brainwashing (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:49:55 PM EST
    No doubt.

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    Actually (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by cannondaddy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:50:21 PM EST
    He's picked up five superdelegates since Tuesday.

    Why Is Obama Still Letting Susan Rice Talk? (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:52:48 PM EST
    Via MyDD, Susan Rice defends Obama against Hillary's 3 AM ad by saying neither Hillary nor Obama is ready for that call.   Now that's a surprising tack to take, not how I would've defended Obama, but then I've never been an Assistant Secretary of State.


    Whoops, Already Posted I See (none / 0) (#25)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:54:46 PM EST
    It is an edited clip (none / 0) (#27)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:55:54 PM EST
    that conveniently leaves out that she included McCain in that list of people not ready for that call.  

    Very poor form by Jerome, assuming it was his clip.

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    LOL! (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:05:07 PM EST
    As I said above in response to your other post, McCain will use the 3 seconds, not the rest.

    Surrogates for a candidate should NOT admit that THEIR OWN candidate is not ready for the job they're running for.

    Really, really a blunder, and WILL be used against him.

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    Great (none / 0) (#53)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:09:33 PM EST
    if he chooses to play "who can edit clips better" then he will find out that it is a two street and he has 20 years of clips to work with.

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    oooooh! Scary! (none / 0) (#57)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:14:33 PM EST
    You don't realize (none / 0) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:16:57 PM EST
    that Republicans are especially good at these kinds of campaigns.

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    Why? (none / 0) (#104)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:56:38 PM EST
    Why are they any better at these types of attacks than Democrats?

    FTR, Republicans say the EXACT SAME THING about Democrats.

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    For God's sake (none / 0) (#39)
    by Steve M on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:02:12 PM EST
    it's a gaffe!!!

    "Even Senator Obama admits he's not ready."  "Well, if you look at the full context, I also said you're not ready either."  "Okay, then I disagree with that part."

    A close relative of the What Obama Really Meant phenomenon is the insistence that politics is about literal meanings or dictionary definitions.

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    And if politics (none / 0) (#52)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:08:45 PM EST
    is now about how good someone is with a video editing tool and YouTube updates then we might as well just vote people based on the artistic merit of their campaigns.

    8 second YouTube clips are utterly meaningless.  

    The RedState guys went gaga because of some anonymous YouTube clip in which Obama apparently said that he plans to cut fissile material production and they assumed that he meant civilian fissile material.  They ignored that the comment was about nuclear proliferation.

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    It's not about YouTube (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by Steve M on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:11:14 PM EST
    It's about saying a dumb thing and then whining because people don't include the full context.  John Kerry's statement about voting for it before he voted against it is the most obvious example.  You had Obama on the morning news saying that he's not ready and then you had his advisor on TV hours later also saying he's not ready.  I assure you that I understand the context 100%, but they chose a really dumb way to phrase that talking point.  It's bad politics.

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    Sorry, but that is the way it is. (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:16:25 PM EST
    Campaigns take things out of context to whack other campaigns.

    You weren't around in 2004, were you, when Karl Rove made anti-Kerry ads -- taken out of context -- during Kerry's own town meeting, where Kerry stated, "I was before the Iraq War before I was against it," (not exact quote, but you get the drift.)  This quote was all it took and was the beginning of the flip-flopper mantra.

    Campaigns have video editing tools.  Campaigns DO THIS splicing ALL THE TIME.

    Obama needs to sharpen things up quite a bit if he thinks he's going to win against the Republican machine.  This kind of blunder is going to cost him an election.

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    In Context (none / 0) (#79)
    by BDB on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:30:01 PM EST
    It's not as bad.

    I still think Susan Rice is an idiot (for some reasons unrelated to Obama).

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    I don't understand (none / 0) (#153)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:58:59 PM EST
    How does it make it better if you included John McCain? When is it a good tactic to say your candidate is "not ready?" no matter what it is follow by?

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    All commenters (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:57:19 PM EST
    Bring it down a notch please. This thread is getting nasty.

    Both towards each other and the candidates.

    okay. deep breath. (none / 0) (#116)
    by kangeroo on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:13:03 PM EST
    thanks for the reminder.

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    PA going for Clinton (none / 0) (#5)
    by Salt on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:44:31 PM EST
    Everything that worked for Hillary Clinton in Ohio is there in Pennsylvania in greater numbers.

    from the article....Obama may just want to skip the State all together....

    Thats just one indicator (none / 0) (#145)
    by Salt on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:19:35 PM EST
    Clinton is winning the big States needed in the GE and Obama is not and he was outspending her 3-1 he lost 83 of the 88 counties in Ohio thats a wipe out no matter what math you use.

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    This is so funny (none / 0) (#7)
    by independent voter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:45:45 PM EST
    I bet if you had a post with Hillary raising $55 million dollars in one month, you would not have three negative statements about her in the same post.
    Oh, that's right, there is NOTHING negative to write about Hillary. I forgot for just one minute.

    I am tempted to delete this (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:35:00 PM EST
    whole subthread.

    Independence, you are a good commenter. Do me a favor, can the comments no our biases.

    Does not forward the conversation.

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    TalkLeft isn't like that other place (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jim J on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:49:27 PM EST
    That kind of commentary is frowned upon here. There are plenty of Obamablogs you can hurl insults and one-liners on. It doesn't fly here.

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    How is that statement (none / 0) (#20)
    by independent voter on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:51:28 PM EST
    an insult? It is my perception based on numerous posts I have read here.

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    Sample dialogue (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Steve M on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:59:33 PM EST
    A: "You are so ugly!"

    B: "Why would you insult me like that?"

    A: "How is that statement an insult?  It is my perception based on looking at your face."

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    Nice dodge (none / 0) (#66)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:19:58 PM EST
    What did independent thinker say that was insulting?  That you guys wouldn't have several negative posts about Hillary in a thread about Hillary raising a ton of cash or that you guys never criticize her?

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    BTD and Jeralyn are not going to let this place (none / 0) (#71)
    by Jim J on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:21:35 PM EST
    go down the tubes like other blogs have done. You are wasting your time and energy going down this road here.

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    The question is... (none / 0) (#31)
    by mike in dc on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:57:22 PM EST
    ...can Clinton as the potential nominee, raise that kind of money per month for the general, without Obama on the ticket?

    I think he can actually raise more than that as the nominee, perhaps even hit the 100M threshhold.

    I'm not sure her campaign can do the same.

    the real question is (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:59:23 PM EST
    how can he keep losing when he is raising and spending so much money?

    There comes a tipping point where all the money in the world will not win the election.  Just ask Mitt Romney.

    At these levels, money doesn't matter anymore.

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    keep losing? (5.00 / 0) (#115)
    by mindfulmission on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:12:54 PM EST
    Lets see... he has won 12 of the last 15 states.

    Yup... keep losing.

    He lost three states on Tuesday that had demographics that heavily favored Clinton, and he lost by smaller margins than would have been expected two or three weeks ago.

    Don't get me wrong- Obama lost the three states, and that is important.  But it is ludicrous to imply that Obama is on any kind of losing streak.  

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    Maybe the better question is (none / 0) (#154)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:01:08 PM EST
    With all this money and favorable coverage why has he failed to end the race? Every time he seems to come close something happens. I am not saying its his fault, it really may be that the democratic electorate is not willing to let either one have this.

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    Romney... (none / 0) (#68)
    by mike in dc on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:20:46 PM EST
    ...spent a lot of his own money.  Obama's money is coming mostly from motivated small donors, one third of whom go on to participate in some other way in his campaign.

    Granted, he didn't win Ohio and narrowly lost the pop vote in Texas, but he was down somewhere around 15-20 points in both those states 2 weeks ago.  He made up a lot of ground.  And he did so in the face of what was probably the worst media week for him in the whole campaign.

    Unfortunately for Clinton and her new "vetting" strategy, 50+ million dollars a month over a six week period will buy an awful lot of "counter-vetting" ads.

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    I can just hear it now... (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Anne on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:37:44 PM EST
    "Well, yes, it's true we did lose the election, but we did manage to close the gap in those last weeks...we could have won if the election was held on November 18."

    Obama's had one bad media week in the entire primary season - what's his excuse for losing in MAssachusetts and New Jersey and California and Arizona?

    You have to close the gap and move ahead before the votes are cast; if you don't, you lose.

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    What's Hillary's excuse... (none / 0) (#97)
    by mike in dc on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:45:46 PM EST
    ...for losing 24 states again?

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    I don't believe she's been giving excuses (none / 0) (#102)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:54:14 PM EST
    But if she is, then yes 24 states is a setback. :-P

    However, last I checked there were 50 states, and that 24 states doesn't show up proportionally in the delegates or popular vote.

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    Her average margin of victory.. (none / 0) (#113)
    by mike in dc on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:11:58 PM EST
    ...is still substantially smaller than his, and there are only 10-12 states remaining, of which he will win at least a few, and probably most of them.  
    She could wind up being the nominee while having won only about one third of the contests.

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    So Mike, Obama is going to (none / 0) (#76)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:28:26 PM EST
    reverse his position on public financing in the GE and give McCain the opportunity to call him out (for the entire duration) on his lack of honesty/consistency/integrity?

    In that scenario, McCain would turn every additional boatload of Obama money into a torpedo.

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    If you've been paying attention... (none / 0) (#86)
    by mike in dc on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:37:06 PM EST
    ...you know well that, first, McCain is in no position to take the high ground vis a vis integrity on public financing, considering his "creative" use of it as collateral for a loan, and his current failure to abide by FEC regulations by going over the legal limits that the opt-in has subjected him to.
    Second, the language Obama used was not a strict commitment to take public financing, but a commitment to sit down with McCain and find a way to make it work.  Obviously, given both the nature of Obama's current financing(90% small donors giving about 100 bucks on average), and the rumored 250 million dollar 527 campaign being planned to attack the Dem nominee, it should be perfectly understandable why any candidate in Obama's position would be hesitant to lock himself into a situation where he might not have the resources to fight a swiftboating, nor the resources to compete in all 50 states.  

    There's only so much mileage one can get out of that line of attack.

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    that's the problem, isn't it? (none / 0) (#91)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:43:05 PM EST
    who's paying attention to what is being said, as opposed to what McCain (and probably the media) will be saying is being said? You know the difference. The edited / clipped youtube clip is just the beginning.

    Obama needs to make sure he vets his statements so he (or his subordinates) doesn't need to keep explaining them. I realize that they are being taken out of context or being misread, but the fact is ANY opportunity will be taken. Obama rules won't work from here on out.

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    He doesn't have to (none / 0) (#92)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:43:36 PM EST
    The general election period is very short.  He can use this money until then,  I just hope he uses it against McCain at some point.

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    he can use it when he is in the VP slot (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Kathy on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:44:36 PM EST
    Inaccurate Post (none / 0) (#58)
    by wfontes on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:15:26 PM EST
    The critical quote is this, "A group of uncommitted 'superdelegates' were ready to make a show of support for Obama BY TRYING TO PRESURE CLINTON TO GIVE UP, said Tim Roemer, a former congressman who's rounding up backers for Obama. Now, after her wins in Texas, Ohio and Rhode Island, MANY WILL STILL BACK OBAMA without calling on Clinton to quit, he said."

    They are not holding off endorsements.  They are just not going to pressure her to give up....

    Get it right....

    Hmm, that is different (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by blogtopus on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:45:27 PM EST
    than the energy of the post, I guess, but the fact is that some SD's have been swayed from their support based on the events of the past week. They haven't given up on it, but they are having second thoughts about Hillary's non-viability as a candidate, looks like.

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    I mixed up two articles (none / 0) (#150)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:54:51 PM EST
    and have fixed it now. Thanks for pointing it out. It now reads:

    With Hillary's wins Tuesday, more superdelegates supporting Obama are holding off saying she should withdraw. Other superdelegates are holding off on endorsing period.


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    Well (none / 0) (#74)
    by Claw on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:26:39 PM EST
    He lost in Texas and Ohio and Rhode Island because those are all HRC states.  Just like she could've spent 50 mil in GA and it wouldn't have made a difference.  And if he keeps losing he won't be the nominee so you won't have to worry about it.
    What you should be happy about is that she beat him by a good margin in Ohio.  She needs to keep that up if she wants to be the nominee.

    a higher popular vote total (probably) (none / 0) (#142)
    by BrandingIron on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:04:44 PM EST
    I don't know about that one.

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    I don't agree (none / 0) (#155)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:02:45 PM EST
    Texas was definitely up for grabs and he just didn't pull it off. Which means something. Also there is nothing that says Ohio was out of his reach, there was no "solid Hillary base." If he had made a compelling argument I think he could have won.

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    He (none / 0) (#158)
    by Claw on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:44:41 PM EST
    Was behind in double digits in both states.  He closed the gap in Texas, less so in Ohio.  I don't think (I may be wrong) she's been in a similar position and come back to win.  Was it possible for him to win?  Yes.  Were the states up for grabs?  No.

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    Double standard? (none / 0) (#162)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 10:17:05 PM EST
    If Hillary doesn't win a state where he is ahead she "lost." If he can't clinch a state like Texas then it was because he was behind. So the "12 in a row" wins don't count, she was always behind.


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    This Site (none / 0) (#75)
    by squeaky on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:27:18 PM EST
    Is not impartial, and has never professed to be. Both candidates are represented, albeit one tepidly. As annoying as it site has gotten lately (fanclubbing), I believe it is muuuuuuch better that the alternatives, which get really nasty.

    Think progress, Hullablaoo, and C&L have stayed much the same, though.

    The point is (none / 0) (#77)
    by Steve M on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 03:28:28 PM EST
    this is not a blog that welcomes drive-by "you guys are such haters!" comments.

    I personally think the ability of the Obama campaign to keep from leaking is more impressive than the fundraising number.  I happen to believe it was a major blunder not to release the number before Tuesday.

    i don't know, i think it actually (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by kangeroo on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:18:18 PM EST
    looks bad either way.  he has too much money and still loses.  he's been touting his fundraising prowess for weeks and weeks, and we saw on super tues and super 2 that that doesn't necessarily translate into votes.

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    Another solution to FL and MI (none / 0) (#112)
    by jcsf on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:10:16 PM EST
    From Ezra Klein

    Thoughts?

    Mark Schmitt (none / 0) (#121)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:23:29 PM EST
    and it is masking lemonade from a lemon for Obama. once he concedes the Florida delegates, he concedes the loss.

    And he could get wiped out in Michigan.

    I think it may be his best solution but it is funny that no one believes in Obama's magical campaigning skills anymore.

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    Demographics do beat campaigning (none / 0) (#128)
    by jcsf on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:45:22 PM EST
    And the identity politics of this race have been pretty strong, since the policy differences aren't too big.

    You are correct, Mark Schmitt, apologies.

    My perception is, he's been a great campaigner, and couldn't have gotten to where he is at, if he hadn't done a phenomenal job campaigning, and organizing his deputies to campaign.  You waw the article in Rolling Stone?  This speaks to that - The Machinery of Hope.

    Not to mention, the 55 million February number, from over 300,000 donors.  

    That is essence, the definition, of a great campaigner.

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    Mistype (none / 0) (#149)
    by jcsf on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:35:05 PM EST
    Actually over 300,000 new donors for Obama, in the month of Feb.

    Over 700,000 donors total, in the month of Feb.

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    I doubt it (none / 0) (#129)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:46:08 PM EST
    I doubt he will get whiped out in Michigan, remember, Hillary barely beat uncommitted.  Plus, anything is better than getting 0% of the delegates and 0% popular vote.  Remember, Obama currently leads these categories if you give him the uncommitted vote from Michigan.  I doubt he will do worse than that.

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    She beat it by 17. (none / 0) (#131)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:47:02 PM EST
    15 actually (none / 0) (#135)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:58:27 PM EST
    Not to nitpick :)  This isn't great, but it still puts him ahead in the popular vote.

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    as I recall, 3% of the uncommited (none / 0) (#157)
    by jes on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:43:06 PM EST
    declared themselves as Hillary supporters in the exit polls.

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    Why didn't they vote for her then? (none / 0) (#160)
    by CST on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 07:50:36 PM EST
    And what % stayed home since their candidate wasn't even on the ballot???

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    My comment was about the exit polls. (none / 0) (#163)
    by jes on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 12:07:28 AM EST
    I can't give you any answers to questions they didn't ask. People who staid home because their candidate wasn't on the ballot were not listening to their candidates who were encouraging them to vote uncommitted. If the uncommitted vote is 'given' to Obama, they missed the boat.

    Now, what % including Clinton supporters stayed home because they were told it wouldn't count? No one knows the answer to that either.

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    Detroit does, not Michigan (none / 0) (#146)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:26:02 PM EST
    Michigan is 14.3% African American. Wayne County (Detroit)is 41% African American. Here's the map. Where else in Michigan is there a densely packed African American population? Certainly not in Northern Michigan. Lansing is 11%.

    There are ten million people in Michigan and only two million of them live in Wayne County (Detroit).

    One county south of Wayne is Monroe, the AA population there is 2%. Washtenaw, which is one county west of Wayne and includes Ann Arbor, has 12.5% AA.

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    Actually from Mark Shmitt (none / 0) (#123)
    by flyerhawk on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:26:14 PM EST
    but it is a pretty shrewd plan.

    Hillary needs a way to get both seated or she's toast.  

    It would be very hard for her to argue that Michigan alone is legitimate.

    Too early to make that move but after PA it may work.

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    Also from Chris Bowers (none / 0) (#120)
    by jcsf on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 04:20:40 PM EST
    Can someone (none / 0) (#141)
    by pennypacker on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:04:18 PM EST
    tell me why we meet with China if human rights abuses are  measuring stick or how r cuba policy has benifitted Cuban people. Think outside the box people.

    really, this is an excellent (none / 0) (#161)
    by cpinva on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 09:04:25 PM EST
    reason for not electing mccain: alzheimer's has set in.

    apparently, the good sen. has completely forgotten all the meetings held by former and current presidents, with leaders of countries we would consider less than democracies. the USSR comes quickly to mind. Red China, Saudi Arabi, etc.

    in fact, using sen. mccain's "logic" would require the cessation of all communications with probably 1/3 of the countries in the world.

    yeah, good luck with that sen. mccain.