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    Caroline Kennedy today (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by MaryGM on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:44:54 PM EST
    I went to go see Caroline Kennedy speak at my school (Ursinus College) this afternoon on behalf of Obama, and while the speech was extremly stumpy and predictable, I nearly fell out of my chair when she lumped Ronald Reagan in with her father and Obama in the unifying figures category.

    I see why Obama does this.  It gets him praise from Republicans, but a KENNEDY?!  What is this primary season doing to people?

    This pandering to Repubs has (none / 0) (#20)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:10:21 PM EST
    got to stop! I don't want a Reagan Dem in the Whitehouse. I  want a Lefty Dem in the Whitehouse. Do they want a few Repubs to vote for him rather that a lot of Dems? Enough!

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    Must remind self of SCOTUS . . . must remind (none / 0) (#22)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:13:39 PM EST
    self of SCOTUS . . . there is a difference between Obama and McCain . . . must remind self. . . .

    Am I going to have to mutter this mantra for the next six months to make my hand mark an x in the "Dem" column?

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    Why is there a difference on SCOTUS? (none / 0) (#60)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:52:50 PM EST
    Didn't Obama vote for Roberts and Alito?? How left of center was that?? Not at all, by my reckoning.

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    He was going to vote for Roberts (none / 0) (#71)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 11:18:11 PM EST
    until his staff persuaded him otherwise.

    I know -- that and the Casey endorsement and the info from Illinois women on his "present" votes, which was not the "strategy" they wanted from him, etc., etc. . . . I do not find Obama a strong voice for women's issues.  So I try to tell myself that he would have to at least act more like a Dem on court appointments than would McCain.

    But I will work more for a strong Dem Senate to reject bad appointments, whether from Obama or McCain.

    And I will continue to work most for Clinton, because she is the ultimate on women's issues -- and has been there for us for decades.  Btw, for odd reasons, I was looking at photos today of the March for Women's Lives in 2004.  One former First Lady was there, speaking, and it was Clinton.

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    I went to the demonstration (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:28:35 PM EST
    at Rockefeller Center today.  In between yelling myself hoarse, I had a great time talking with other Hillary supporters who are mad as h@#$ and not gonna take it anymore!  I asked people how they heard about the protest and most people said Taylor Marsh or TalkLeft.  

    One recurrent theme - everybody I talked to brought this up on their own - was the acrimony between Dems who were once all united in their Bush hate.  It came as no surprise to hear people say they're no longer talking politics with certain friends, no longer visiting certain blogs, and no longer watching certain news shows.  A couple of folks shamefacedly confessed that they've started watching Fox News b/c, in the words of Ed Rendell, they are evenhanded in their dislike of Obama and Clinton.  

    Speaking of Fox, O'Reilly was the only show to cover the event, AFAIK.  I think it's going to get some coverage on his show tonight.  I'm sure he got a kick out of the anti-Keith Olbermann signs.  

    How long (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:49:04 PM EST
    before these people get on Olbermann's "worst person" list?

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    I would be proud (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:52:31 PM EST
    to be on that list!

    Oh, somebody had a sign about Olbermann being the Worst Person in the World.

    I think my favorite sign was "Problematic White Woman".

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    I'll have to watch that (none / 0) (#32)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:31:57 PM EST
    I am switching between CNN, MSNBC and Fox checking out what they are covering tonight after Clinton/Obama gaffes and the Begala/Penn items.

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    Oh (none / 0) (#33)
    by kayla on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:35:49 PM EST
    I posted my inquiry on the protest only a minute after your post.  Thanks for the info.  Sounds like you guys had a great time.  I wish I could have been there.  I'll look for O'reily's coverage (I've never said that before in my life).

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    Heh (none / 0) (#34)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:37:41 PM EST
    These are strange days, my friend!

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    Riverdaughter has pics! (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:45:28 PM EST
    I love "Elton meant you, Keith" sign!

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    NBC didn't even send anyone out? (none / 0) (#35)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:40:27 PM EST
    I've never watched O'Reilly so tonight will be a first! It must have been great-wish I lived closer.

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    I didn't see NBC people (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:45:48 PM EST
    although we were right there by their studios.  

    I didn't see the O'Reilly people either - I think I left too early.  I was there from 8 till 9:30 or so.  But I read that somebody from The O'Reilly Factor interviewed people.  

    It was great.  I would estimate about 100 people showed up, which is pretty much what I expected.  Mostly women (of all ages).  It was very empowering. I'm really glad I went.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#72)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 05:27:36 AM EST
    BDS

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    Obama can't possibly be (none / 0) (#2)
    by MarkL on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:51:08 PM EST
    electable after this:

    "And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.


    That's what he thinks of people in small towns in PA.

    Breathtaking arrogance mixed with Bush-level stupidity. He's leaving Kerry in the dust in terms of gaffes.

    Obama is a "rabbit", for the GOP (none / 0) (#67)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:04:37 PM EST
    A "rabbit" is a very speedy horse who isn't up to the distance of the race. The reason one enters a "rabbit" is to kill off the competition by getting them in a speed duel with the "rabbit" and tiring them out. Then the "rabbit's" stable mate can come from behind and not have a lot of ground to make up and not have the main competition to deal with since the "rabbit" wore them out early.

    The GOP is using the media to help Obama kill off Hillary Clinton, who is the one they are worried about. Obama is easy to deal with in the GE, I am sure the media already has the info that will be used against him after the convention, if he is the nominee. Anyone who thinks this media fawning is going to go on after the nominee is named is living in a dream world.

    Obama, and the Democratic Party, are being set up for a very nasty ambush. And, frankly, I think Obama deserves everything he gets. I am just sorry he will be taking the Democratic Party down with him.

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    Obama Gaffe getting attention (none / 0) (#3)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:52:56 PM EST
    OK, CNN is covering the Begala/Penn item, but Fox is covering what MSNBC is choosing to ignore right now... Obama's quote from SF about Penn people.  Opened with it at 5:00, 5:05, 5:36 McCain's response... extremely revealing, arrogance, elitism.... 2:45 back with Clinton's response.. 'I saw in the media that he said Penn people are bitter.  (slight groan?) That is not my experience.  The people here are resilient, positive, rolling up their sleeves.

    Sorry, Obama's gaffe much worse that Clinton.  He dissed the working people in front of a crowd of elitists.

    Here's what SHOULD (none / 0) (#4)
    by frankly0 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:53:47 PM EST
    be treated as a a major gaffe by Obama, if journalism ever intersected with our MSM:

    You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them...And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not.

    And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

    It's about the most patronizing, elitist remark I've heard uttered by a national politician.

    I mean, "clinging" to religion? Could his disdain be more obvious?

    Obama turned me off early in the campaign when . . (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by abfabdem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:59:40 PM EST
    he lumped the Clinton years in with the Bush years as if they were both equally bad.  I found it very insulting. And here he is doing it some more!  I believe that many of his supporters are too young to really remember the Clinton years (they were kids, teens or in college) and not especially paying attention so they believe both administrations were horrible. Has he not seen the stats on job creation during the Clinton years?  He uses this broad brush to diminish Hillary and it really makes me mad!!

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    You're not the only one (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Edgar08 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:02:59 PM EST
    It makes a lot of us mad.


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    It was a dog-whistle (none / 0) (#21)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:13:35 PM EST
    to Republicans and it really turned me off.  It's one of the things that makes me question whether he's really a Dem.

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    His remark is like (none / 0) (#6)
    by frankly0 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:57:51 PM EST
    something you'd hear said by a member of the Berkeley City Council, and would keep him forever from rising to higher office.

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    What was he thinking??? (none / 0) (#7)
    by lilburro on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:58:21 PM EST
    In front of a bunch of millionares??  Good idea.  Sh*t in your worst demographic.  

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    ROFL... so you think this is going to (none / 0) (#8)
    by MarkL on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:58:33 PM EST
    get noticed?
    Did MSOBAMA cover it?

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    Like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, huh? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:58:34 PM EST
    Oh, to redo the Wisconsin primary, too. . . .

    This quote would make a great McCain ad here.  Ohhhh.

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    Good point about "clinging to (none / 0) (#10)
    by MarkL on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:59:38 PM EST
    religion".... tell us, Barack, why were you in
    Wright's church??

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    Is Obama clinging to (none / 0) (#28)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:27:54 PM EST
    his religion because he's bitter....

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    Is he calling them racist? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:01:28 PM EST
    This is very surprising from one who is so careful not to actually say anything.

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    I think he's saying they are (none / 0) (#13)
    by MarkL on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:02:42 PM EST
    "typical small town white folks", right?

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    Well, antipathy to those not like (none / 0) (#16)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:04:04 PM EST
    them sure sounds like it.

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    Yes, he is calling them racist (none / 0) (#36)
    by dianem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:44:44 PM EST
    Unless there is some other way of interpreting "...antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment...".  

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    Not necessarily racist.... (none / 0) (#51)
    by oldpro on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:44:23 PM EST
    here in my small town in a huge, very rural legislative district, the racism is not visible but the town-city/country folk divide is right on the surface.  

    It's major in most rural areas in varying degrees in many states and bridging those divides takes time, talent and money.

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    Taken generously... (none / 0) (#58)
    by dianem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:16:01 PM EST
    ...I suppose that "antipathy to people who aren't like them" could refer to rural people not liking city people and vice-versa, but I don't see how you can spin "anti-immigrant" as anything but "racist".

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    And, the implication is a lie.. (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:32:25 PM EST
    For the most part, most Pennsylvanians are fine with immigration, legal immigration. One of the biggest crops in PA is apples. All kinds of apples. And who do you think picks those apples?? Migrant workers.

    In the "big town" down the road from the village we lived outside of, there were two centers for migrant workers, one for children that had day care and focused on education, and one for adults where they could get help with medical care, housing, etc. ANY MIGRANT WORKER who wanted to settle in the area permanently was given help by the local community, and welcomed. There were orchard owners who hired them full time, some of the farmers hired them, so did other companies, the wives worked in the stores in the area.

    I lived there for a few years, and I never saw one sign of any animosity towards migrants or immigrants. During apple season, the local restaurants have "speciales" as they call them, for the migrant workers, food from their own countries, red beans and rice, paella, and foods from various South American countries. One restaurant where we used to eat had a policy of cooking recipes that the migrant ladies brought in to them and using them as "speciales". That is not what I would call anti-immigrant, not by a long shot.

    Obama doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

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    His soft-gloving of Wright's church for same (none / 0) (#50)
    by Ellie on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:32:42 PM EST
    ... and even worse tendencies is what I can't abide. Obama's argument to excuse -- and at points even praise -- the Rev. Wright's extremism revolved around the same situation of economic hardship and exclusion.

    Only Wright went beyond mere bitterness and indulged in outright character assassination invented out of whole cloth.

    Obama didn't categorize the congregation at his own church as "clinging" to religion.

    Somehow I doubt he and his Team would step even slightly back from the posture that it's the Clinton campaign that would do and say anything to get elected. I wonder if Obama isn't already in the Bush media bubble of being incapable of weighing his own statements against reality.

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    "Clnging to religion", rather like he (none / 0) (#61)
    by FlaDemFem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:58:04 PM EST
    clung to Rev. Wright for all those years?? What a phony, what a hypocrite!!!! I used to live in PA, and I have family there. When tough times hit, Pennsylvanians dig in and tough it out as best they can. That remark cost Obama the state. Even the Obamabots in PA won't go for him now, he just called them bitter, small and fanatical. Way to go, Barry!!!

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    Obama and gays in the military (none / 0) (#5)
    by abfabdem on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 04:54:53 PM EST
    I missed this, but my husband came home last night livid that Obama talked about this issue given it was such problem for Bill Clinton when he took office.  My husband couldn't understand why he would make bring it up at this point in the campaign.  He felt Obama shot himself in the foot with it.  Does anyone know more?

    Lotsa coverage of her and gay issues. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:02:46 PM EST
    Him, not so much. So he was trying to be gay friendly.

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    Also, get to poke Bill. A two-fer. (none / 0) (#17)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:06:18 PM EST
    I believe Obama stated (none / 0) (#30)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:28:52 PM EST
    he want to repeal don't ask, don't tell.

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    Yes. I heard it (none / 0) (#52)
    by oldpro on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:46:22 PM EST
    on the news last night.

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    But you only report half the story- (none / 0) (#64)
    by kenosharick on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:43:06 PM EST
    He said basically that he would have no problem with anti-gay commanders.

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    Wow. Really? (none / 0) (#66)
    by oldpro on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:53:22 PM EST
    Cripes...I didn't hear THAT.

    Got a link?

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    I heard it on tv news- (none / 0) (#68)
    by kenosharick on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:13:40 PM EST
    CNN, I think.

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    Sheesh (none / 0) (#69)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:49:45 PM EST
    I wasn't watching it.  I just read about the first part.   Would it be inappropriate to say -what an idiot?  I just do not get why people are voting for him.  

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    BTD (none / 0) (#18)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:06:48 PM EST
    are you watching the Masters live on-line?

    ESPN live here on (none / 0) (#53)
    by oldpro on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:47:37 PM EST
    the west coast....

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    I'm at work... (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:06:41 PM EST
    Am trying Safari as a browser... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kredwyn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:09:47 PM EST
    Have been using Firefox.

    Any reviews between the two?

    They both work fine for me. (none / 0) (#23)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:14:24 PM EST
    But I'm not very discerning as far as techie stuff!

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    Change you can believe in? (none / 0) (#24)
    by nellre on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:16:25 PM EST
    Change you can believe in?
    Anybody know what that means?
    Sounds sort of faith based doesn't it?
    I'm sorry but change doesn't happen because you "believe" in it.
    It's hard work and calls for negotiation and compromise. That's why HRC is the best candidate.

    listen to this:
    President Change It's critical of both OB and HRC.
    Many have promised to change Washington, but none have.


    I just read that "belief" comes (none / 0) (#27)
    by Joan in VA on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:27:17 PM EST
    from the root word meaning "wish". And it makes sense to me.
    Believing is really just wishing it so. It sounds faith-based to me, too.

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    Does anyone know (none / 0) (#25)
    by Manuel on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:20:04 PM EST
    what the race looks like when looked at by congressional district?  I am also curious about statistics on declared superdelegates following the vote in their district/states.  I can probably get this from the CNN or CBS but if anyone has seen this summarized somewhere please post a link.

    Thanks

    Wasn't there supposed to a protest (none / 0) (#31)
    by kayla on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:29:24 PM EST
    today at 30 rock against unfair media coverage of Hillary?  I could have gotten the date wrong, but if today was the day, how did it go?

    darn!! ... Donna Brazile's emails (none / 0) (#41)
    by ghost2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:51:38 PM EST
    Apologies for the previous comment, forgot about link rules!!

    Hillary's Bloggers

    Cross-posted at Taylor Marsh.

    Emails at Partizane.

    omigod, Brazile is beyond belief (none / 0) (#46)
    by Cream City on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:58:06 PM EST
    in these emails.  Republican men are her buddies, and talking about the Clintons' "asses."  And more.

    CNN has got to pull her just for these comments.

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    Oh, my goodness (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by stillife on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:10:52 PM EST
    This:

    Blacks have been deeply wounded by the duplicity of the Clintons . Now, you may not like it or agree. But as a black person who helped saved the Clinton presidency, please just respect what I am saying. [emphasis added] Again, you disagree. But, I honestly believe the wounds will not heal.

    First, how were blacks wounded by the "duplicity" of the Clintons?  Second, how did Brazile "save" Bill's Presidency?

    The only thing I agree with her on is that the wounds will not heal.  I know mine won't.  And that's thanks to her and her candidate.

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    Dump her now; she shouldn't still be around (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by Ellie on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:10:07 PM EST
    She's been a millstone the Dems for years. She can't even stay in an on-air discussion. Her ineptitude as a spokeswoman -- and the questionable intelligence of the braintrust for putting her there --- is the loudest message that ever comes through. (I assumed she had a party role. If I'm wrong in that and she's collecting her fees from TeamO YAYYY.)

    The Obama campaign busywork for Brazille (to hack away at Sen. Clinton's and fmr. President Clinton's knees)  seems to have brought her somewhat out of her usual stupor but if she's on the party payroll she needs to be sent packing.

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    She's bitter (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kayla on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 07:44:15 PM EST
    and that's fine.  We've all been bitter about something before.  But gosh, can't she keep it out of the work place?  It's sad to see a black woman in a leadership position who pours all of her emotions out to people that don't even know her instead of just addressing their concern and doing her job in a non-partisan manner.  I mean - she could even be completely generic about it and just say "This is a close and historical race that Democrats and all Americans should take pride in."  Emotions are running high for a lot of people.  Identity politics will do that to you, and with the first black man and the first white woman running against each other?  There's bound to be some sexism and racism coming out of the woodwork that none of us wanted to see.  But she should, at least pretend to be above all of that.  She should be an objective voice of reason.  Is that so hard to do?  How does she have time to engage all of these people? - and so ineffectively too!

    Isn't she just fanning the flames?  If she has some problems because she's black and feel slighted by the Clintons, why does a Clinton supporter who's upset about blatant sexism going unnoticed in the political discourse need to know?  It's like she's saying, "I don't care what you are saying because I'm really excited about Obama and I dislike the Clintons.  Please shut up and just understand that I do not care about what you are saying.  I love freedom!"

    Wtf??

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    What is wrong with this party?! (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:53:23 PM EST
    That is an awful exchange.  This is a party leader?  This is what the Democratic party is about?  What is the matter with Brazile?

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    Proper links are below. (none / 0) (#43)
    by ghost2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:53:06 PM EST
    I think Jeralyn has to delete above comment (links have to be in html format).  So please don't reply to it, or this one.  

    Proper links are in the comment I posted below.  


    Am I the only other person (none / 0) (#44)
    by bjorn on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:57:24 PM EST
    besides BTD who is following Tiger?  I love Tiger Woods!  I am so sad he is not playing well today.  I guess I will give in and see what I can find out about the Obama gaffe now!

    Carter To Meet With Hamas (none / 0) (#45)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:57:29 PM EST
    Both Clinton and Obama are against it. But 64% OF Israelis are in favor of talks. Looks like Carter has the political freedom to be ahead of the curve on this.

    Phil Singer, a Clinton spokesman, said, "Hillary respects former president Carter but disagrees with his decision," adding: "She would not meet with Hamas without coordinating with Israel."

    Obama has said he is willing to meet with officials of hostile governments, but he puts Hamas in a different category.

    Spokesman Tommy Vietor said Obama "does not agree with President Carter's decision to go forward with this meeting because he does not support negotiations with Hamas until they renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, and abide by past agreements."

    WaPo via War and Piece

    Good video with Michael Nutter (none / 0) (#47)
    by ghost2 on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 05:59:04 PM EST
    Video

    Quote, Joe Scarborough:

    Barack Obama has only been in Congress for one year before he started running for POTUS.  You know how tough it is to run a city.  Could you imagine trying to run the United States of America if you've only been in DC for one year??



    Super High Me (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:11:00 PM EST
    A new movie by comedian Doug Benson spoofing Super Size Me, sort of. The trailer is a hoot.

    DB: Before making the movie I was what some would call a heavy pot smoker - most days, if not at 4:20, at least in the evening. I'd wake and bake on occasion, like on days that end in "ay." No, actually, I only wake and bake on days when I don't have much to do. Which as a stand-up comedian, is a lot of days. But I had never smoked all day, every day for 30 days, so I thought it might be tough. Turns out, it wasn't.

    link

    Thanks squeaky.... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:49:12 PM EST
    looks like an instant classic.

    And will even enhance "Super Size Me"...if McDonalds ain't illegal, no way reefer should be.

    Not to give the prohibitionists any ideas...the McDonalds Angus collection is some delicous poison:)

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    Go Mickelson (none / 0) (#62)
    by white n az on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:21:39 PM EST
    I think that this is his year on the alternating plan...

    I saw a bit of Tweety (C. Matthews) (none / 0) (#65)
    by kenosharick on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:48:02 PM EST
    tonite and was shocked- when discussing Penn.,  he said, "I think much of the undecided is for Hillary- that is my concern." Is he OFICIALLY working for Obama now?

    Tweety (none / 0) (#70)
    by waldenpond on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 09:55:17 PM EST
    has gone off the deep end.  Concerned people are going to vote for Clinton the poor baby.  I'm stepping away from the computer for a bit before I reach in and hurt someone....

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    Heads in the sand. (none / 0) (#73)
    by Lora on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 09:07:58 AM EST
    I have long been and remain appalled that the progressive blogs can talk about winning in the fall without dealing with the largest threats to our election process.

    Voter registration rolls being purged, threats of arrest if certain people show up to vote, limited voting machines and polling places causing horrendouly long lines, intimidation of entire groups of people, selective challenges at the polls, the farce of the "provisional ballot," are some of the important issues that can change an election.

    The potential for fraud and evidence of recent fraud in the counting of votes cast is the other huge piece that progressives by and large are unwilling to look at.  Why they think we will win without addressing this issue is beyond me.

    From  PC World - Business Center (which was linked to and quoted from at the Brad Blog), computer experts say that the three largest electronic voting company products, which will be widely used in November throughout the country, are vulnerable to a hack which could alter votes.  (Read: This could change an election!)

    This year, the U.S. will pick a new president using electronic voting machines that can be hacked, security experts said Thursday at the RSA Conference in San Francisco.

    Wagner was part of the team that audited California's voting systems during the state's review of electronic voting, and the problems his team found affect counties across the U.S. "The three systems we looked at are three of the most widely used around the nation," he said during an e-voting panel discussion at the show. "They're going to be using them in the 2008 elections; they're still going to have the same vulnerabilities we found."

    The three systems are Diebold, Hart InterCivic, and Sequoia.


    Action ALert (none / 0) (#74)
    by squeaky on Sat Apr 12, 2008 at 08:06:14 PM EST
    The ACLU is calling on congress to appoint an independent counsel to investigate the administration's little torture reenactment parties at the white house.

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    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    The American Civil Liberties Union is calling on Congress to demand an independent prosecutor to investigate possible violations by the Bush administration of laws including the War Crimes Act, the federal Anti-Torture Act, and federal assault laws.

    "No one in the executive branch of government can be trusted to fairly investigate or prosecute any crimes since the head of every relevant department, along with the president and vice president, either knew or participated in the planning and approval of illegal acts," said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. "Congress cannot look the other way; it must demand an independent investigation and independent prosecutor.