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Bob Casey: Obama Would Probably Find DC Handgun Bill Constitutional

Update: The AP has a new article on Obama's many efforts at gun control.

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At Wednesday's debate, Barack Obama wouldn't say what his position is on the DC law banning handguns. He dodged, saying he wasn't familiar with the facts of the case.

Of course, in November, his campaign told the Chicago Tribune he supporteed the ban. (Chicago Tribune November 20, 2007.)

But the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he "...believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional."

Tonight, Obama surrogate Bob Casey was on Lou Dobbs. Dobbs asked Casey whether Obama would support or oppose the DC handgun ban. (No link, I typed from his answer.)

Bob Casey: He would probably be a supporter, as he has been in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois legislature, for various restrictions on gun ownership. I happen to disagree with him on that, we have our disagreements.

More....

Why didn't Obama answer the question at the debate instead of weaving and bobbing? Was it because he didn't want to alienate PA voters, many of whom favor strong gun ownership rights? And, did he fail to tell the truth?

Obama's answer at the debate:

Gibson: Is that a law consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?

OBAMA: Well, Charlie, I confess I obviously haven't listened to the briefs and looked at all the evidence. As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, and, you know, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.

And I think that it is going to be important for us to reconcile what are two realities in this country. There's the reality of gun ownership and the tradition of gun ownership that's passed on from generation to generation. You know, when you listen to people who have hunted, and they talk about the fact that they went hunting with their fathers or their mothers, then that is something that is deeply important to them and, culturally, they care about deeply. But you also have the reality of what's happening here in Philadelphia and what's happening in Chicago.

....GIBSON: But do you still favor the registration of guns? Do you still favor the licensing of guns? And in 1996, your campaign issued a questionnaire, and your writing was on the questionnaire that said you favored a ban on handguns.

OBAMA: No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns. (my emphasis)

The DC handgun ban is "an all-out ban on handguns." As the Washington Post reported,

The stakes are obviously high for the District, which passed the nation's strictest gun-control law in 1976, just after residents were granted the authority to govern themselves. It virtually bans the private possession of handguns, and requires that rifles and shotguns in the home be kept unloaded and disassembled or outfitted with a trigger lock.

In February, 2008, when asked for his position on the D.C. handgun ban, he also dodged (The video is here):

He declined, just as the Bush Administration did, to take a position on whether the DC gun ban violates the 2nd Amendment. He said instead that states and cities should have broad latitude to regulate guns—even if the Constitution guarantees an individual right to own them.

“The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC,” Obama said. “The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution.”

....“I think there's a lot of room before you (start) bumping against a constitutional barrier for us to institute some of the common-sense gun laws that I just spoke about.”

Bottom line: Obama dodges, weaves and bobs. I've pointed out several other instances of this over the past year and a half and I can't believe I'm the only one whose noticed or the only one for whom it's a problem.

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    With his debate dodge he proved (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by kenosharick on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:01:26 PM EST
    he is just another politician- AND WIL DO OR SAY ANYTHING TO WIN!!!

    He Gave Politician's Answers (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by flashman on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:43:44 PM EST
    And BTW, as I noted on an earlier thread, Gallup has Clinton leading nationally 46/45, first time in weeks.  Obama's gaffes are having an effect.

    Parent
    Simple - He can't answer (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by TalkRight on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:08:03 PM EST
    the so called flimsy questions... AND he can't answer the HARD questions.. I am sure he is most happy to field the flimsy ones' so he can call it Politics as usual!.

    How can he go away with answers like "I am not familiar with facts .. " more so because he prides himself to be a legislature and isn't he running for the president?


    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by TalkRight on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:59:01 PM EST
    a legislator should know better... but a person running for a president who prides on calling that he gets his facts right the first time and then cast his vote (hint: Iraq) that would be a big flip-flop. I just don't understand why the press would always give him the candy no matter what.

    He is the biggest SHAM based on the iraq war vote (that he did not had to vote). President Clinton got the facts right the first time and called him right.. the biggest fairy tale.. that's what he is.

    Why do I have to go to fox to get my facts????

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    Shouldn't a lawyer, (none / 0) (#62)
    by phillhrrll on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:48:24 PM EST
    especially one as well educated as him, know that definition.

    Parent
    You're probably right (none / 0) (#69)
    by phillhrrll on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:29:31 PM EST
    On the underlying issue, especially with Obama understanding constitutional law, I feel drug laws are a states purview and all Federal drug statutes should be struck down.

    Parent
    I'm sure many of Obama's supporters (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Radix on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:10:17 PM EST
    have noticed the fluidity of the Senators positions, based on who he's speaking to. It's just that seeking clarification or, heaven forbid, questioning said fluidity is punishable by banishment. As such questions demonstrate a lack of moral commitment to the Senator.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


    Fluidity is (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by facta non verba on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:13:48 PM EST
    putting it mildly. There are 180 degree hairpin turns at times. And I doubt his supporters notice, they are happy to be along for a ride.

    Parent
    True, I was in a charitable mood though. (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Radix on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:21:00 PM EST
    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

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    Obama supporters don't notice (none / 0) (#81)
    by Josey on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:26:06 AM EST
    they're too busy laughing at his jabs mocking and inciting more Hillary-hate.


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    His worst case of bobbing and weaving (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by Marvin42 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:10:29 PM EST
    IMHO was on the CNN faith forum on "does life begins at conception" question. His answer: "I don't know."

    Ok, when WILL you know? Can you please run for President after you figure that out?

    Life begets life (none / 0) (#25)
    by Prabhata on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:35:00 PM EST
    A cell is life, hence a zygote is life.  Now, is a zygote a human being? That's another question. When one eats an egg, is the egg a chicken?  When the egg it's half through the growth, but not able to live on its own, is it a chicken?

    Parent
    It is if you put BBQ sauce on it (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by lookoverthere on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:14:45 PM EST
    Great for a philosophy PhD thesis (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by dianem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:46:27 PM EST
    Not for a man who is going to be choosing the next Supreme Court nominee.

    Parent
    On Feb 2, 2008 (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by facta non verba on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:12:01 PM EST
    in his love fest in Boise, Obama noted that there were a lot of hunters in southern Illinois and that he wasn't going to take their guns away. All fine and good but in gun-shy San Francisco, he tells Gordon Getty and his fellow billionaires that while gun control is not politically feasible right now, he would work to tighten loopholes in the law and work to ban certain types of weapons. The latter is a reasonable approach but that's not what he is saying on the campaign trail. There is guns, guns and more guns. Duplicitous is the word for Barack Obama.

    Hillary said she work to revive the Assault Weapons Bans, one of the few accomplishments of Dianne Feinstein, but Obama failed to say a word on this during the debate. Why?

    The assault (none / 0) (#10)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:15:48 PM EST
    weapons ban is a politically correct attempt ban on ugly guns.  It should never be attempted again.

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    Really? (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by facta non verba on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:23:03 PM EST
    So these weapons belong on our streets?

    AK-47 and all models of the Norinco, Mitchell and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs, designed in the former Soviet Union.   
    Uzi and Galil, both made by Action Arms Israeli Military Industries.   
    TEC-9, TEC-22 and TEC-DC9, manufactured by Intratec.   
    SWD M-10, M-11, M-11-9 and M-12. Based on the design of the MAC-10, their full-automatic cousin, these assault pistols are designed to fire many bullets over a wide area in seconds.   
    Street Sweeper and Striker 12 and other revolving cylinder semiautomatic shotguns.   
    Beretta AR-70 and SC-70, used by armed forces in a number of countries including Italy, Jordan and Malaysia.   
    Colt AR-15, the civilian version of the M-16 rifle that is the U.S. military's standard-issue rifle.   
    Several weapons manufactured by Fabrique Nationale, the FN-FAL, FN-LAR and FNC. The guns are used by the armed forces of more than 90 countries.   
    Steyr AUG, a rifle made in Germany.

    That's crazy.

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    You forgot armor piercing bullets (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:24:46 PM EST
    for the more tubby deers.

    Parent
    Hard for the deer to run (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by RalphB on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:47:50 PM EST
    wearing body armor  :-)


    Parent
    I don't like pretty guns either (none / 0) (#31)
    by Prabhata on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:41:06 PM EST
    Guns are like drugs (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Prabhata on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:48:11 PM EST
    The demand creates the market.  Education, not legislation is the best way to go.  When I heard that most guns are mostly used to kill family members, I decided that knives would be the only lethal weapon in my house.  Maybe it's time that schools start teaching about the dangers of possessing a gun.

    Parent
    This site is a strong (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:02:26 PM EST
    supporter of gun rights.

    Parent
    With rights come responsibilities. (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Radix on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:12:20 PM EST
    The Second Amendment doesn't grant irresponsible gun ownership, in fact, it requires the exact opposite. Had to form a militia if the folks with the weapons haven't a clue as to how to use them.

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


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    Will the real Obama speakup? (none / 0) (#47)
    by TalkRight on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:20:31 PM EST
    where he stands... enough of the same old politics!

    Parent
    Switzerland (none / 0) (#48)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:24:17 PM EST
    has higher gun ownership (almost half the adult population owns a gun) and more liberal gun laws than America does-never will forget the time I saw a couple of guys walking the streets of Bern with their bookbags and service weapons slung over their shoulders- yet the country doesn't have even a quarter of the gun violence that the US does.  There are more murders involving knives than guns.  The government even sells military ammunition at cost.  Gun deaths are mostly suicides; gun homicides are barely in the double digits, and we're talking a population of around 7.5 mm, so do the  math.

    It's not the guns, it's the attitude of the people who own the guns.

    I'm sure Obama learned this on his many foreign policy trips as a child.  Perhaps that is why he is waffling on the issue here--he has some grand change to align gun owners with the Swiss way of thinking.

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    Where do you draw the line? (none / 0) (#51)
    by facta non verba on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:03 PM EST
    Switzerland is the only country with higher gun ownership than the US and they don't allow their citizens to own submachine guns. The Swiss have a citizen army with obligatory service two weeks a year for all males until age 50. They get training and are given the basics of responsible gun ownership.  

    What legitimate purpose can citizens have in owning an Uzi? a AK-47?

    So where do we draw the line?

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    they restrict automatic weapons (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:40:02 PM EST
    as does America.  

    As for where you draw the line--that's a legal matter.  My point was more toward mentality.  Why do the Swiss have such easy access to weapons, yet such low rates of gun violence, while Americans with largely the same access to guns have such high rates?  What separates us from them?

    Obviously, it's not government regulation, or lack thereof.  It's cultural.

    You would think the candidate of change, the guy who's supposed to be the cerebral thinker in the race, would talk not about regulating guns, but changing the culture of American gun violence.

    Parent

    Why do the Swiss (none / 0) (#83)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:32:22 AM EST
    want to own these guns, just curiously?  It's certainly not a militaristic or violent or macho culture.  What do they use them for, target practice?  And why wear them openly on the street?  I don't get it...

    Parent
    Dumb post (none / 0) (#78)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:30:17 AM EST
    Full auto weapons are restricted here.  Apples and oranges

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    My Dad (none / 0) (#53)
    by phillhrrll on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:35:41 PM EST
    always said no gun = no dead kid. 35 yrs later it's become my mantra and I've belonged to the NRA several times.

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    You heard wrong (none / 0) (#71)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:59:14 PM EST
    When I heard that most guns are mostly used to kill family members,

    99% or so of all guns never kill anyone.

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    makes sense... (none / 0) (#76)
    by white n az on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:42:10 PM EST
    and if you play russian roulette with a six shooter, you only have a 16.67% chance of losing.

    Parent
    Uh... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kredwyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:47:08 PM EST
    AK 47s and Uzis and other fully automatic weapons are restricted a la the National Firearms Act circa 1934 and revised.

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    So the (none / 0) (#79)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:34:48 AM EST
    armed forces uses semiautomatic weapons?  Full auto weapons have been restricted here since the twenties.  
    Don't want the gov't telling you what you can use to defend yourself?  Just wait until the gov't tells you what doctor to see, what drugs you can use, or what you can carry on a plane, or what you can look at on the internet.  Oops too late.

    Parent
    Obama in 2007 (none / 0) (#13)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:20:26 PM EST
    Associated Press:

    He said the government needs to permanently reinstate an assault weapons ban and close regulatory loopholes that protect unscrupulous gun dealers.

    But the assault weapons ban is a far cry from the DC handgun ban which doesn't allow DC residents to possess a handgun in their homes.

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    Isn't (none / 0) (#46)
    by swiss473 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:19:55 PM EST
    Isn't Clinton's position on guns the same as his?

    She supported the AWB and has said she wants it reinstated

    She supported the Brady Bill

    She supported licensing and registration of handguns

    She supports the DC Handgun ban and didn't sign the Senate amicus brief

    She has a lifetime F rating from the NRA

    She voted against Roberts and Alito who will likely make the difference in the Heller case and strike down the ban in favor of individual rights and she supported Ginsburg and Breyer who will uphold the ban and vote against them.

    I agree Obama is anti-gun in the extreme and you can go after him for that, but so is Clinton, just as much if not more.

    It would be like McCain attacking someone in the GOP Primary for being pro-immigration or pro-Iraq

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    And you know Clinton's stance (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:25:53 PM EST
    on these issues because she has said them consistently and clearly. The point of this thread is that Obama has not.

    Parent
    Clinton's stance still astounds me (1.00 / 1) (#59)
    by phillhrrll on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:40:10 PM EST
    she's to the right of Bush and came out strongly in favor of states rights. May have secured my vote and I've never voted Democratic for the presidency, voting for Browne still haunts me.

    Parent
    its not about Clinton .. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by TalkRight on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:26:54 PM EST
     its about where Obama  REALLY stands?

    But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

    The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners' rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called "Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns."



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    the devil you know (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:35:48 PM EST
    is better than the devil you don't and thre's no reason to buy a pig in a poke when choosing a Democratic nominee for President. In November, I'll cross my fingers and hope for the best. Right now, there's still a choice.

    Parent
    I actually saw that interview on Dobbs show today (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by white n az on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:26:04 PM EST
    and I thought it was unusual and Casey is clumsy to be sure.

    But Casey, with his ego running full bore couldn't resist answering even though Obama fumbled his answer thoroughly during the debate in order to not take a position, Casey just jumped in.

    Lousy surrogate, awkward position, playing politics...how surprising.

    Funny that I haven't heard Obama talk about not playing politics as usual lately

    Obama claimed not to be familar with the (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by tigercourse on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:29:26 PM EST
    D.C. Handgun ban? I'm sure that's a lie, but if true, he should really try to learn a few things here and there before becoming President. I know he wants to take the Ronald Reagen figurehead route, but there's a limit to how uncurious our President should be.

    eight years on Joyce Foundation (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Teresa on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:40:35 PM EST
    But before he became a national political figure, he sat on the board of a Chicago-based foundation that doled out at least nine grants totaling nearly $2.7 million to groups that advocated the opposite positions.

    The foundation funded legal scholarship advancing the theory that the Second Amendment does not protect individual gun owners' rights, as well as two groups that advocated handgun bans. And it paid to support a book called "Every Handgun Is Aimed at You: The Case for Banning Handguns."

    link

    And it wouldn't surprise me in the least... (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:49:51 PM EST
    ...if the foundation and everyone else that served with him on the board are absolutely fine with Obama's squishy answers. It's amazing to me that the people he throws under the bus are all so happy to oblige. You'd think somebody would be PO'd at some point, but instead they get mad at Clinton. LOL.

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    But Teresa You Know That Obama Rulz Say (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:51:13 PM EST
    that Obama should not be blamed for any of his associations (or anything else either). I bet he was there only because it was in his neighborhood or he was being kind to a friend.

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    According to the article, he wanted to run (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Teresa on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:07:58 PM EST
    this foundation ($225,000 per year I think) after he lost his bid for Congress.

    I know all politicians do this. What bothers me the most is that he flat lied to Charlie Gibson who pointed out Obama's handwriting was on that questionnaire. Could you imagine if Hillary told that lie? She'd get another special comment from KO.

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    As a gun advocate I can understand the (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Florida Resident on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:18:19 PM EST
    different views by different people but I can not understand why owning a Gun in southern Ill. is ok but owning one in the inner city is not.  If you legally own a gun for home protection it is as important in the City as in the Suburbs as out here in the middle of nowhere.  I find it hypocritical to be told that because of the high incidence of gun violence in the inner city they should be banned, heck because of the high violence is why I would have one in the City.  If you are a law abiding citizen you should have your rights protected and if you have a gun and your not braking any laws with it there should be no restriction banning you from possessing it just because of where you live.

    I agree with this (none / 0) (#72)
    by wasabi on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:19:05 PM EST
    I don't understand how banning handguns in D.C. makes it safer for everyone if you can skip down to Virginia and buy a crate of them, no questions asked.

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    Because (none / 0) (#84)
    by cmugirl on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 08:15:07 AM EST
    While you may be able to BUY them in VA, you cannot OWN or POSSESS one in DC. They cannot be in your home or car.

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    Bobbing and weaving (5.00 / 3) (#56)
    by bjorn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:37:42 PM EST
    and Barack would say "Nobody has done more for it than me!"

    He isn't following the DC gun case (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by dianem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:02:27 PM EST
    He's a constitutional law professor and Presidential candidate, but it never seemed to occur to him that somebody might ask him about a case that is currently in the headlines. He said that his writing was not on the questionnaire that stated that he was in favor of gun control, but it was (they have a scan of the questionnaire on the Clinton web site). He has stated in the past that he supports an assault weapons ban, but he obfuscated when asked to restate his position in the debate.

    It's odd that our media have attacked Clinton for her Bosnia story repeatedly, but they don't seem to care about Obama lying about his handwriting not being on that document. It was. He is not being honest with the American people. He wants to be all things to all people, because that is what Axelrod told him to be to get elected. Obama is a potemkin candidate.

    the media doesn't care if he lies (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by angie on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:10:26 PM EST
    they only care if Hillary does (and if she doesn't lie, they say she does anyway). btw, Obama's not a professor of constitutional law -- he is a lecturer, or adjunct.  I know, I know, what's the bfd -- my mom is a professor, and there is a big difference -- professor have to do research, publish, etc. and the positions are hard to come by -- so it is just "shady" for Obama to describe himself as one (not that it's his most offensive lie -- it isn't by a mile).  

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    It wasn't even a lie (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by dianem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:36:39 PM EST
    Every time my husband tells a story it gets more interesting. He's not lying, he's just "embellishing". He even believes that it's true. If you believe something when you say it, it's not a lie. Clinton admitted it wasn't true once the evidence (her own book) was presented to her. My husband doesn't admit that he's embellishing, but he's not trying to make himself look better and the stories really are better and funnier the way he tells them, so I don't worry too much about it. Memory is more malleabe than any of us like to admit.

    But Obama saying his handwriting was not on that document is ridiculous. How could he not know that it is? This isn't the first time it has come up. His campaign has to have looked into it.

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    ...and I aggre about the law professor bit (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by dianem on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:43:13 AM EST
    Obama taught a couple of law classes at a respected learning institution. It's not uncommon for them to invite local high profile legal figures in to do this. They call them "Professor" as a courtesy, but it doesn't make him a "Professor" any more than an honorary Doctorate makes somebody a PhD. Professors put years of experience and hard work into getting that title. But Obama isn't exactly lying about being a Professor. The University calls him that. It's more that he's taking credit for something even though he really doesn't deserve it - like all of those bills he passed in his last year in Illinois.

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    So, have Clinton . . . (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Doc Rock on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:12:45 PM EST
    . . . appoint Obama to the Supreme Court!

    He wants to be everything to everybody (5.00 / 4) (#68)
    by g8grl on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:29:26 PM EST
    He wants everyone to like him and ultimately that will be why he'd be ineffective as President.  He never wants to make a hard decision that might upset anyone.  That's why he's okay with Rezko, Ayers, Rev. Wright, etc... He doesn't seem to want to get on anyone's bad side.  That's why he sat in church silently for 20 years where, if you believe him, he never heard any of the objectional spewage from the Rev.  He certainly had to be aware though of the violent bitterness and dislike of white people.  But in 20 years the uniter seems never to have even tried to talk to Wright  to try to heal the anger.  Maybe he didn't hear those particular words but he must have known, felt there was deep anger and he did nothing.  He doesn't like to take a position where there might be conflict.

    Of course he dodged, weaved, and bobbed... (5.00 / 2) (#73)
    by xanamanax on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:19:34 PM EST
    He would have looked ridiculous saying "present."

    Clinton also bobbed and weaved (1.00 / 1) (#52)
    by s5 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:34:53 PM EST
    They both gave essentially the same answer.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But what do you think? Do you support it or not?

    CLINTON: What I support is sensible regulation that is consistent with the constitutional right to own and bear arms.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Is the D.C. ban consistent with that right?

    CLINTON: Well, I think a total ban with no exceptions under any circumstances might be found by the court not to be, but I don't know the facts.

    Reading the entire text of their answers, there isn't a single bit of difference between the two on the issue, including how they answered the question.

    she's not a hypocrite about it (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:37:11 PM EST
    She's right up front about where she stands. He is not.

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    This is misleading (5.00 / 4) (#57)
    by Marvin42 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:38:12 PM EST
    She actually gave a firm answer, saying you can't use the same rules in the cities as you do in rural areas. She said she believes there is a right to individual gun ownership in 2nd amendment, but it can be regulated by the government. Her answer was clear. His was not.

    Please stop trying to defend Sen Obama by misstating Sen Clintons position. Sen Obama would never do such a....

    Oh wait, that is exactly what he does.

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    But not an frim answer to the DC ban (none / 0) (#63)
    by cannondaddy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:56:44 PM EST
    neither one did and it's unacceptable from both.  This is the first Supreme Court case on the Second Amendment in decades and they haven't followed it closely enough to have an opinion?

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    It sounded clear to me (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by dianem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:40:52 PM EST
    1) regulation within the constitutional framework 2) In DC, a total ban without exceptions would be unconstitutional. I don't know how much more clear she could have been - she made it clear that she supports regulation and also recognizes that the constitution gives gun owners rights. She later threw in that gun laws should be local, because what works in one area won't work in another.

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    Could someone please tell me (none / 0) (#2)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:06:47 PM EST
    WHAT--if anything--Obama stands for?  I mean, other than getting the nomination.  Name me one issue with real political risk, one statement he made that took a stand.  Please.

    change (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kempis on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:16:20 PM EST
    He stands for "change." Change to what, we don't know--beyond changing the POTUS from Bush to him.

    He also stands for "hope." Hope for what, we don't know.

    And he's all about "yes, we can"...something.

    You know, I've actually seen Obama-supporters online praising the ambiguity of his pitch because he's just "an agent of change" who is going to embolden each of us to get off our duffs and "make the change we want to see happen." It's all about us, not him. (In short, there's some really potent Kool-Aid being consumed out there.)

    When I ask, "what if my desired change conflicts with yours?" the crickets chirp.

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    I also recall the phrase (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Kathy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:24:12 PM EST
    he'll "set the tone."

    His tone lately seems to be the kind of thing we've had enough of over the last seven years, thank you very much.

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    I think I've had an epiphany. (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:26:31 PM EST
    You know, I've actually seen Obama-supporters online praising the ambiguity of his pitch because he's just "an agent of change" who is going to embolden each of us to get off our duffs and "make the change we want to see happen." It's all about us, not him.

    It's just like when YouTube was Time Magazine's man of the year.

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    The best Obama line I've ever read (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by dianem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:43:02 PM EST
    Obama had made some trivial proclamation or other and the Obamabots on Salon were praising his wisdom and wit (the comment was neither wise nor witty).  One commenter said "If Obama farted, you'd applaud".

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    One question... (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:29:13 PM EST
    If
    each of us to get(s) off our duffs and "make the change we want to see happen.
    then what the h*ll do we need him for?? If we have to do the work, then we should get the perks, not him. At least Hillary is willing to do the work. Sheesh..talk about lazy!!!!

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    That's one of the reason's I like (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by nycstray on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:08:25 PM EST
    Hillary. I won't have to work changing the country on top of the work I already do. Call me lazy, but there's only so many damn hours in the day and she beats me hands down on experience and brain power.

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    If The PEOPLE Have All The Responsibility, (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:19:42 PM EST
    they, not him, get all the blame if nothing gets accomplished in D.C. It is a great spiel.

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    Not so strange (none / 0) (#82)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:26:09 AM EST
    That's supposed to be the big deal, and I've heard him say it repeatedly, that he's all about "change from the bottom up," that he will be the facilitator who listens to what the people want and then makes it happen.  It's not just one or two deranged posters, that's the core of his whole deal.

    That's what makes him immune to specific policy criticism.  It's brilliant, really, if you can get people to fall for it.

    I've said before that part of me intellectually wants to see him win and watch the madness that ensues.  Luckily, we're not going to get that chance.


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    BO stands for hope (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Prabhata on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:37:01 PM EST
    Anything your heart desires.

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    yesss! (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by reynwrap582 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 10:52:34 PM EST
    Obama stands for Ponies for all!

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    Post HIllary's answer to that question (none / 0) (#3)
    by cannondaddy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:06:56 PM EST


    I posted the link (none / 0) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:13:07 PM EST
    if you're interested in her answer. This is about Obama.

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    I know her answer, (none / 0) (#20)
    by cannondaddy on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:27:15 PM EST
    it was as just as opaque as Obama's.

    Senator Obama is in a presidential primary with a single remaining opponent.  I would think any post about him as a candidate could reasonably be subject to a comparison/contrast with that opponent.

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    Every time we do that Obama comes (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:39:57 PM EST
    up short. If Obama wants people to support him, he should show that he is up the job. When he gets asked questions designed to elicit information regarding his policies, he answers in vague generalities or refers people to his web site. What, he hasn't read the web site himself so he doesn't know what his policies and plans are? Ask Hillary the same questions and you get complete answers, and a good look at how she would implement them as well. The problem with Obama is that people keep looking for the substance, and there isn't any. If I were you, I wouldn't ask people to compare and contrast him with Senator Clinton. He doesn't look good by comparison.

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    How then can Obama claim he will (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Radix on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:50:09 PM EST
    change the tone in Washington, if he himself goes with the standard tone?

    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah


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    We all know what her answer was... (none / 0) (#21)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:28:56 PM EST
    ...but I believe that Jeralyn's post was about Casey answering the question for Obama.

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    Let's discuss in open thread (none / 0) (#30)
    by Marvin42 on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    I completely disagree with this misrepresentation of her position.

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    Does it matter? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Radix on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:19:22 PM EST
    Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

    Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

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    Obama= Professor (none / 0) (#85)
    by oculus on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 10:31:55 AM EST
    of constitutional law at Univ. of Chicago Law School and he sd. with a straight face is is not familiar enough with the 2nd Amend. case pending in SCOTUS to comment?

    Liar is As Liar Does (none / 0) (#86)
    by MightyQuinn on Mon Jun 30, 2008 at 11:36:29 AM EST
    Only a liberal could at one moment work to ban guns and in the next claim the Constitution protects and individual right to own them, because only someone whose faith in liberal ideology enables him to suspend reasoning faculties could see both positions as compatible.  obama is just another silver-tongued liar.  

    Time to send more money to the NRA.  It will be a pleasure to seem the hammer away at this jerk.