And Obama can not answer the white working class question there.

Now, CA, NJ, NY, PA, OH, FL?  Yeah, we need those, we can realistically win them and there's only one candidate -- despite being outspent and fighting daily calls to "drop out for the good of the Party" -- who can actually, you know, win them.  And consistently win the votes of core Democratic voters.

Also, the common wisdom is that no Dem can win without the very coalition that she has put together, yet they clang away for her to exit.

If she somehow manages to become the Democratic nominee, "she'll have gone a long way to softening her image among Republicans," Goldfarb writes. "Obama may be more electable, [but] at this point he's also more likely to energize the Republican base. Terry McAuliffe just praised Fox News as fair and balanced for being first to make tonight's call, Hillary's out drinking beers, trashing MoveOn, and threatening to obliterate Iran. She's earning a lot of good will on the right."

Now the reason why I (for instance) won't vote for Obama is not becaus HRC is so divisive and has told me not to vote for him. It's because Obama is so weak on Democratic issues that mean a lot to me: health care (not universal), the economy (a tepid copy of her plan), women's right to choose, and more. Couple that with his inability to voice a robust assertive foreign policy and his invocation of Reagn and Bush I and I and he just plain loses me.

I prefer Hillary's message of reality instead of Hope and Unity. I don't like that he has been getting paid for chairing a subcommittee of a very important topic and doing nothing, yet claiming he is in the best position to lead on foreign policy. I don't like that he didn't bother to show up for Kyl-Lieberman, once again proving he refuses to take positions on controversial subjects. I didn't like that he voted for Cheney's energy bill. I didn't like that he touts his nuclear energy bill, which was a complete sham.

In comparison to these numbers, where does NC and Ind fall. These numbers were as important as the AA vote in Philly. Philly made up 30% of the total vote I believe. So the rest of the state was important. Indiana has more rural votes. But how will the age groups compare? Can any of the above numbers be matched?

For HRC supporters, it's very chic to point out that she carries "the base." What nobody seems to ask is, "How wil she win without blacks and young people?" Blacks in particular will stay home in the fall.

I have two issues with Hillary's recent nuke talk.

One, on the merits of extending the umbrella of deterrence.  Israel doesn't need it (they have their own), probably wouldn't want it (see "Harvard" article linked here a couple of days ago), and our explicit alliance with Israel would certainly be played by Islamist extremists against the US.  So this part strikes me as irresponsible pandering.  Extending to other Arab states to deter Iran might make more sense, but it's a huge can of worms and Clinton strikes me as being entirely too glib about it.

He'll rack up huge numbers in the "Predmont Crescent".  That's the urban center that starts in the Triangle and crosses the state all the way to Charlotte.

I nailed PA's 10% win for Hillary (check my posts).  I'm calling NC for Obama by 14%.

I made it very clear that I prefer his Health Care model because I think it has much more of a chance of passing and will do exactly what Clintons does without the mandate

How about his unwavering support for withdrawal of troops from Iraq and his principled stand against it in the first place.

His unwavering support is not backed up by votes. He wasn't in the Senate when the war started, so anything he said cannot be backed up any way at all. He keeps voting to fund the war, so how is he against it?? He talks a good game, but doesn't play well. When it comes down to the crunch, he votes, "present".

His stance against lobbyists and PACS and ethics reform.

will be accountable to the American people,

How about the excitement he has generated amongst young voters and independents.

So he is weakening the party by getting people NOT in the party to vote for him when they will not be voting Democratic in the GE. He isn't strengthening the party when he slimes Hillary and uses sexist talking points against her. He also doesn't help the party when he whines and makes excuses for losing or getting caught out about his past associations.

If he can't stand the scrutiny, he should not be running for President. And he can't. If he gets the nomination, McCain will bury him in the GE, and all he will have to do is tell the truth. Over and over again. That won't help the Democratic party, or build it up, or attract new voters to it.

if the Florida Dem. Party fought hard and you supported them before this decision was made then props are deserved. It seems like they didnt and they are the ones that are responsible for this in my opinion