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By Big Tent Democrat, Section Media
Posted on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:29:46 PM EST
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Fire David Shuster

After being previously suspended for his sexist remarks, it is clear that David Shuster has no remorse. Shakes and Media Matters have the story:

During the April 22 edition of MSNBC Live, guest host David Shuster said to senior campaign correspondent Tucker Carlson: "Before we get to predictions, Tucker, I want to present you ... It's a pen. It's 'Jabber Jaw Pens.' And when you listen to it here." At this point, Shuster pressed the top of the pen -- a likeness of Sen. Hillary Clinton's head -- and the mouth began to move as the pen began audibly laughing. After the pen stopped, Shuster continued: "[I]n honor of being on the air with you for the first time in a little while, I present to you with a Hillary laughing pen." In response, Carlson stated: "I can't tell you, David, how much I appreciate this, how much I appreciate your going through Chris' mail while he's gone and how much I'm really going to miss that cackle. I hope it goes on forever. It's brought light to my life." Carlson also pressed the pen.

Shuster then said: "As we -- to the refrain of Hillary cackling, let's start with predictions tonight. What's going to happen?"

How could NBC possibly think this outrageous sexism could be acceptable? Fire David Shuster. NOW.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    hate in his heart (5.00 / 6) (#2)
    by DandyTIger on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:35:04 PM EST
    That is so amazingly unprofessional. And it's really telling about MSNBC management that it is tolerated. They're much worse than Faux News. And that alone should shame them.

    The sad thing is that (5.00 / 4) (#49)
    by mg7505 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:06:10 PM EST
    no matter what anyone says, it will be dismissed as:
    1. "He's not sexist! I say things like that about my wife/girlfriend all the time! She doesn't mind!"
    2. "This is Hillary's fault!"
    or
    3) "So what? Just relax; it doesn't matter. No need to fire him..."

    I'm amazed that this incident isn't all over the news... then again this kind of behavior IS the nightly news.

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    Where's Your Sense of Humor (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:49:44 PM EST
    Number one way misogyny is defended in my experience.

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by chrisvee on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:55:33 AM EST
    This is what we hear all the time.  "Where's your sense of humor?" or "Don't be so sensitive!"

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    Followed closely by (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:01:40 AM EST
    You are overreacting.

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    Periodically, when I'm feeling down, . . . (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:54:28 AM EST


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    I admit (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by MaryGM on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:35:42 PM EST
    Despite my total lack of tolerance for sexism of any kind, I felt kind of bad for Shuster.  He was a small time offender compared to his colleagues, and I thought it slightly unfair that he had to take the fall for their much more egregious acts and statements.  However, this ends whatever minute degree of sympathy I had for him.  I completely agree with BTD's call for his job.

    I admit astonishment, to put it nicely (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by Cream City on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:40:44 PM EST
    that you can claim a "total lack of tolerance for sexism of any kind" and yet call it "small time" stuff that Shuster called the Clintons "pimps" and thus called their daughter a whore.

    All that is egregious is, yes, that only he was "punished" for such behaviors -- although weeks off with pay is not punishment; it's a vacation.  So that he really was not punished might explain Shuster's continued bad behaviors as well as those of his colleagues.  I.e., NBC rewarded him for it.

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    ITA (5.00 / 7) (#21)
    by Emma on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:29 PM EST
    Cream,

    I completely agree.

    Also, if it had been an attack on Clinton, that would have been one thing.  But it was an attack on Chelsea and I think Clinton took a big hit to draw the line and protect her kid.  I think the horrendous behaviour by the NBC boys in the next debate can be traced, at least in part, to Clinton daring to stand up to them about Chelsea.  Clinton putting herself in the line of fire like that says a lot about Clinton, IMO, and a lot about why Chelsea turned out to be such a wonderful young woman.

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    Chelsea has been a real asset (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by pie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:53:43 PM EST
    to her mom's campaign.  After watching eight years of the Bush party girls, it's been nice to see what good parenting can do.

    Kudos to both Clintons, because parenting is one of the hardest jobs one can have.  It's just one more reason I love Hillary.

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    I tell my Republican friends who (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by FlaDemFem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:03:07 PM EST
    spout the "family values" line, that the proof is in the pudding. Would they rather have kids like Chelsea or the Bush twins. They always pick Chelsea...LOL

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    Jenna not sure she'll vote for McCain (none / 0) (#85)
    by andrys on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:36:25 AM EST
    While Laura and daughter Jenna were on Larry King, Laura said that her favorite of the 3 current candidates for top job is McCain.  Larry said he assumed that was Jenna's favorite also, and Jenna responded "I don't know." and said she was open to learning more about all three.

      An unexpected response...
     

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    Meanwhile, a Nixon daughter (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:55:31 AM EST
    says she will vote for Obama.

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    She's gotr something of her (1.00 / 0) (#29)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:48:27 PM EST
    dad about her.

    More charisma than her mum.

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    I largely agree (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by MaryGM on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:58:51 PM EST
    He completely deserved his suspension. No question about it.  But to see others in the media, higher up the chain than him, say these types of things over and over and over again, and never having to own up to them (Tweety's apology for ONE of his comments hardly even counts) was what irritated me about the Shuster suspension.  He got a well-deserved slap on the wrist, and while his apology sucked, I didn't think he should be canned for it.  However, that all changes with this exchange with Tucker.

    But this is all part of the misogynistic climate at NBC.  If these types of incidents happen ON camera, I shudder to think what's said backstage.

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    All interesting the first time you wrote (none / 0) (#69)
    by Cream City on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:54:06 PM EST
    all this before reiterating it, but not responding to what I wrote.  

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    Take heart (none / 0) (#105)
    by Mary Mary on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:37:07 AM EST
    There's at least one other here who agrees with you. I thought what you said made perfect sense and I'm surprised at the piling on.

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    He only got punished because (none / 0) (#15)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:44:14 PM EST
    it was about their kid.

    And possibly because it was a pervy thing to say.

    I've got a crush on Ms Clinton. Most of those pressmen also have one so far as I can tell and the pimp comment let teh cat out the bag.

    She also used to hang out in Oxford so she's a home towen girl too.

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    Speaking of which (none / 0) (#78)
    by BackFromOhio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:11:06 PM EST
    Did you hear Chris Matthews suggest that perhaps selection of the Chicago Church was Michelle's idea -- because, in Matthews' experience, women make the choice of family church -- and Barack does not want to cross her?  

    Is this equal mysogeny (sp?) time?

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    This is just one step in emasculating Obama-- (none / 0) (#97)
    by jawbone on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:44:23 AM EST
    As the MCMers think is appropriate for any Big Dems and especially Democratic presidential aspirants.

    Only Repubs are suitably masculine, in command, and brave --  witness Little Boots (which is what "Caligula" means in Latin, hey!) in his flight suit, joining the Nat'l Guard and getting out early without penalty, and commanding out nation into bankruptcy and near pariah status in the world.

    Dem women are both too feminine and to butch. And still not suitable. Go figure.

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    Why Would They Fire Shuster? (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:37:43 PM EST
    He's only doing what all the rest of the MSNBC frat boys do.  This is the house that Jack Welch built.  He's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing.  

    You give them more credit for maturity than (none / 0) (#13)
    by Joan in VA on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:43:26 PM EST
    I do. I think they're a bunch of adolescents.

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    I see that adolscent ... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:47:31 PM EST
    and raise you a toddler.

    Anyone want to go for a newborn?

    The level of immaturity of Shuster's comment might in fact reach the zygote level.

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    I'm upping the ante -- (none / 0) (#50)
    by mg7505 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:08:18 PM EST
    they're Republicans.

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    welch (none / 0) (#17)
    by nell on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:44:35 PM EST
    oddly enough, in a recent interview with cnbc welch expressed admiration for hillary and her being tough as nails and said she is the real threat to the repubs. this explains why the want to knock her out, but he was admiring.

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    Welch is (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by 1jpb on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:54:56 PM EST
    sleazy, and should not be trusted.

    I once heard him telling lies about the GE pollution in the Hudson River.  Not to mention that his leadership of GE was focused on squeezing it for short term gains, never mind the longevity (or not) of returns.

    He is a shame to Chem Es everywhere.

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    when was the interview? (none / 0) (#27)
    by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:47:44 PM EST
    I'm wondering if it has anything to do with the change in the air at MSNBC tonight.

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    Nah (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:53:44 PM EST
    The difference is Jack Welch is a grown up.  He's a Republican, but he's a grown up.  So he can admire qualities in Clinton while still wanting to see her lose.  

    His boys are just that boys.  And you either adopt that persona or you go nowhere at MSNBC.  Not because Welch is still in power but because of the culture he created.  

    The interesting thing will be if Matthews, et al, turn on Obama, which they very well could do, what Olbermann's reaction will be.  

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    Bingo (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:20:01 PM EST
    This idea that Welch has given them marching orders to tear down Hillary is very naive.  It doesn't work that way (except apparently at Fox, since there are memos to prove they have a "news slant of the day" that comes down from on high).  And it doesn't have to work that way.  The misogyny and Hillary hatred among most on-air MSNBC boys is natural and automatic to them, and they reinforce it with each other daily.  They are simply doing what comes naturally-- to them.

    YUCK.


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    Matthews (none / 0) (#44)
    by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:57:35 PM EST
    is already turning on Obama.

    I doubt if KO ever will.


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    The air is the 'end (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by waldenpond on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:54:53 PM EST
    of the primary' for them... Matthews says the press is perpetuating a delusion (that Clinton can win) while he now admits she looks like the fighter, now Obama needs to work on his image as a fighter. etc. they are now evaluating him... They make statements about how people have until Novemeber to get to know him.  They have moved to the GE and are now being gracious to her IMO.  

    I always thought the best media story would be to knock out Clinton and then have the Dems lose the White House.  Two story lines guaranteed to get ratings.

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    and tax cuts (none / 0) (#46)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:02:11 PM EST
    plus media consolidation

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    Losing the White House (none / 0) (#54)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:11:46 PM EST
    KO and all of Obama supporters would lay all the blame of a defeat on Hilary. And the next 4 years with every event, we would hear from KO and the Air America crowd how this never would have happened if Hilary hadn't blown Obama's chance.

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    He didn't seem to have any remorse (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by stillife on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:38:47 PM EST
    tonight on Hardball, either.  While Tweety and his roundtable were inexplicably bashing Obama and saluting Hillary as Norma Rae, Shuster did a segment suggesting that Hillary and McCain are in cahoots.

    Revenge (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by themomcat on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:51:09 PM EST
    for getting him suspended?

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    Definitely. (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by pie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:56:16 PM EST
    We've discussed this before on another blog.  Even Keith didn't turn mangy until the incident with Schuster.

    It was a stupid and classless and insensitive comment which was made worse by their subsequent behavior. Immature little men.  

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    Geez (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by cal1942 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:13:05 PM EST
    "Shuster did a segment suggesting that Hillary and McCain are in cahoots."

    How did Shuster look in his tinfoil hat?


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    The only reason Tweety compared HRC to Norma Rae (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Ellie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:37:03 PM EST
    ... is that Norma Rae is likely the last movie he saw with a female protagonist.

    Appropos of nothing, I compare Tweety to Norma Desmond 6-12 times a week.

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    I've Heard a Rumor (5.00 / 8) (#11)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:40:17 PM EST
    That every time the MSNBC Frat Boys let out their inner misogynists, five more women vote for Hillary and ten more give her money.

    Just a rumor, of course.

    Every cloud has a silver lining (none / 0) (#14)
    by cymro on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:44:04 PM EST
    Even if your stats are not accurate (and how would you ever measure that ;) I believe you are right on the backlash effect.

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    They Have Been a Great Asset to Her Campaign (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by BDB on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:48:24 PM EST
    I mean that sincerely.  Behavior like this is one reason why Obama has never been able to break Clinton's base.  

    It's also why I think Clinton would hold up better against McCain.  Not because she'd be thrashed less, but because democrats and women would rally to her.  Dems have always rallied to the Clintons when they are under attack.  And the media can't help itself (and neither will the GOP) with the misogyny.  Remember Rush going on and on about watching a woman age in the WH?  Well, what I also remember is a Republican consultant bemoaning it because the it was angering women Republicans.  The GOP already has a woman problem.

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    So let's campaign for Shuster to be fired, ... (5.00 / 3) (#58)
    by cymro on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:14:49 PM EST
    ... but not until after Hillary is elected ;)

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    good one (none / 0) (#25)
    by DandyTIger on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:47:26 PM EST
    Hey, maybe they've secretly been for Clinton all this time. That would mean their bitter and clinging to religion (aka Obama) and guns (KO's exploding head). Snark.

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    Also (none / 0) (#81)
    by chrisvee on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:29:19 PM EST
    I think an angel gets its wings. :)

    I can't believe how blatant the misogyny is.  They are shameless.

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    Maybe Shuster (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Coldblue on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:42 PM EST
    could apply as a Front Page poster on some not-to-be-named blog: He would fit right in.

    How disappointing to see someone (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Anne on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:50:08 PM EST
    who once did a pretty decent job of reporting - he did some great work on the Libby trial when everyone else on the networks was treating it like no big deal - sink even deeper into the morass of sexism and personal attacks; it's Frat House Central over there.

    If anyone had any doubt that Shuster was unjustly disciplined over the remarks about Chelsea, this ought to remove it.

    Makes my blood boil.

    Finding a niche in the market (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:04:05 PM EST
    MSNBC has consistantly been last in the rating heap of cable news. When KO came on they saw a sign of life. KO and Schuster were talking about serious matters and the public responded favorably. The network gave KO a big money multi year contract. Unfortunately KO and Schuster became so infatuated with themselves that they decided to be the show rather than analyzing the news. I wish either of them would take a day and watch some of their earlier material and then watch this weeks junk and see the difference.

    I wonder if Josh Marshall will (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by MarkL on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:14:44 PM EST
    understand what you are saying, tonight.

    Marshall will but Spewing Sexist Pig emailer won't (none / 0) (#74)
    by Ellie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:43:49 PM EST
    ... and Marshall will just HAVE to run the sputtering, barely coherent, Hillary-hating email,

    You Know,

    in the interest of fair and balanced Passive Aggressive Hillary Despising Journalism.

    Avoid the spatter, avoid the accusation, but join the pile-on nonetheless.

    Classy!

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    A great joy if she gets the nomination (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Marvin42 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:29:12 PM EST
    Will be watching the heads of great many deserving individuals in the media at large (and the blogs) explode over and over and over....

    I hope I get to see that day.

    I'm sure the Obama Boyz (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by rooge04 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:41:21 PM EST
    will let us know what they really meant.  The idea that women don't automatically fly into a rage (as I do) when they hear things like this is just sad.  I really really give Hillary so much credit. I don't think I could take .000001% of the abuse she receives. None of it having anything to do with her record, her stands, her platform. Every single one having to do with the fact that she dares have a vagina and think she's smart enough to be President.

    NBC is no longer a responsible network (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by PennProgressive on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:24:31 PM EST
    Last night when I read this on Media Matters, I was actually sad. Could  Shuster and Carlson do this  with any other candidate? For example, if they had done  this  with a doll or a pen with Senator Obama's likeness on them, by now we would be hearing  about this all over on the msm and Shuster and Carlson would be  called racist.And justfiably so. But it  was okay to put down Hillary Clinton. It must be  okay! They did  it so many times and nothinng  happened to any one of them! ("They" are all commentators and reporters who have  engaged in this sort of practice). That is why Shuster could say how difficult it  would have  been to live 8 years with her "laughter" if she had been the President! Thhey don't see how demeaning they have been towards a former First Lady, a current US Senator and  a Presidential Candidate. When the election cycle began I thought that we would  see that still some people are prejudiced. Little did I know what type of prejudice so many of our  reporters and commentators have.  This  is not just hatred towards Hillary Clinton-an individual--it is the  prejudice against all women who are capable and powerful. I am not a woman. But it makes  me sad to watch this. NBC will not fire Shuster--they have ceased to be a  responsible  company.

    Watch the MSM and blogs (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Manuel on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:31:43 PM EST
    When the Obama waffle pen comes out.

    Give it up. (1.00 / 4) (#84)
    by halstoon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 11:58:04 PM EST
    Clinton is a public figure with a funny laugh. It's not sexist on it's face: it's mocking Hillary Clinton, a high profile individual.

    Calling for Shuster to be fired for showing off a novelty item mocking a poitician on the basis that it is sexist is just ridiculous.

    What is it she says about the kitchen again? I think you may need to turn in your apron.

    Wow (none / 0) (#86)
    by squeaky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 12:58:18 AM EST
    What a sicko. I would expect that kind of response from the GOP.

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    Not A surprise (none / 0) (#87)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:49:39 AM EST
    when an Obama supporter says something like that. More and more they resemble the conservatives they pretend to loathe.

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    Yeah. (none / 0) (#102)
    by halstoon on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:08:07 AM EST
    So would you then argue that people who mock Obama are racist?

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    I only hope (none / 0) (#96)
    by Marvin42 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:25:11 AM EST
    you are not serious, or that you take a few minutes and realize what you just said. Wow.

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    I am serious. (none / 0) (#101)
    by halstoon on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:06:21 AM EST
    I may support a lot of Democratic positions, but I see no reason to pretend that everything making fun of Clinton is sexist.

     You guys hate that racism enters the Obama conversation, but have absolutely no qualms about playing the 'gender card' over and over and over.

    Tell me, Marvin, what is inherently sexist about a Hillary pen?

    Would this be a misandrist item?

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    Maybe you don't get it (none / 0) (#107)
    by Marvin42 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 02:06:40 PM EST
    Look:

    SHUSTER: As we -- to the refrain of Hillary cackling, let's start with predictions tonight. What's going to happen?

    And try to put together with:

    to utter a shrill, broken sound or cry, as of a hen.

    From: Definition

    If you don't see it you don't want to.

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    Losers, KO and him. (none / 0) (#1)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:33:17 PM EST


    And Tucker -- as I recall, the founder of C.U.N.T. (none / 0) (#4)
    by Cream City on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:36:07 PM EST
    against Clinton was a guest on Tucker's show, twice.

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    The lot of them... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:38:11 PM EST
    they are all trying to imitate Rush and not doing a good job.  I add all the Air America people as well.  

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    What could make that happen? (none / 0) (#5)
    by cymro on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:37:40 PM EST
    Any suggestions?

    I am a terrible activist (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:38:47 PM EST
    I assume an e-mail campaign would be the logical thing to do.

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    That just makes them happy that people (none / 0) (#20)
    by Joan in VA on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:06 PM EST
    are watching. Someone important needs to complain. But who?

    Or maybe complain to their advertisers?

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    Sponsors. (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:17:19 PM EST
    That's where the power is.

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    Agreed (none / 0) (#88)
    by kenoshaMarge on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:57:22 AM EST
    when people email them then they just know that someone is watching. Ratings don't care if you like what you watch. Contact sponsors is the best bet and boycott MSNBC if you are not all ready doing so. Sad fact is that sexism isn't a no-no in this country.

    David Shuster and the other little boyz at MSNBC are proving again and again that they are simply not ready for Prime Time. What kind of a "man" engages in the kind of behavior described above?

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    I wonder (none / 0) (#60)
    by cal1942 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:16:15 PM EST
    if Atrios wrote half a dozen posts condemning Shuster and providing MSNBC contact information.

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    Yes, even Atrios' luster has been (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by MarkL on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:22:56 PM EST
    dimmed. Like Bush, Obama turns everything around him to sh**, including the reputations of his supporters.

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    The logical heir to the Sh!t Midas(TM) legacy (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ellie on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:53:40 PM EST
    If Classics aren't your bag, then he's a one-man sequence of biblical plagues.

    They're coming so fast, I forget which one we're on now. Drinking water into blood? Locusts? Crops into husks? Thin cows eating fatties?

    Bleccch, if I weren't veggie already this would turn me.

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    Anyone remember (none / 0) (#10)
    by Edgar08 on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:39:08 PM EST
    Dennis Miller's big red button.

    Every time he hit the button, you heard Dean's scream.

    I wasn't even a Dean supporter, I liked Edwards, but I was enraged by that.

    I'm just saying MSNBC has a history of this.

    More Than 50 Years of History... (none / 0) (#18)
    by Petey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:45:51 PM EST
    "I'm just saying MSNBC has a history of this."

    You're not kidding.  Ronald Reagan was a liberal Democrat when General Electric hired him as a spokesman.  No joke.

    This is the latest battle in a half century long war General Electric has been fighting against working class Americans.  Google Lemuel Boulware sometime.

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    was it GE or was it the AMA? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:44 PM EST


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    The Great Satan vs A Minor Demon (none / 0) (#52)
    by Petey on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:09:55 PM EST
    "was it GE or was it the AMA? "

    GE is the Great Satan.  Their long-term agenda is far more ambitious than merely torpedoing universal healthcare.  They have a thousand tentacles reaching out into the ten thousand things.

    The AMA, on the other hand, is merely a minor demon that can be slain with some concerted application of the carrot and stick approach.

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    The Dean Scream backwards... (none / 0) (#19)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:04 PM EST
    ...always makes me laugh.

    it's my medula oblongata responding though.

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    Just (none / 0) (#16)
    by AnninCA on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:44:30 PM EST
    don't watch him.  Those shows are like Entertainment Tonight except on politics.

    Here's the deal (none / 0) (#24)
    by DaytonDem on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:46:56 PM EST
    with these "he men" of the Lost Boys network. They love to think of themselves as tough but they would never say such a thing in a bar about anyone's wife or girlfriend. I don't want to be banned but I would love to beat down one of these prissy pretend he men.

    HA (none / 0) (#33)
    by DandyTIger on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:51:36 PM EST
    to paraphrase Tweedy. :-) I'm picturing a south part episode with Tweedy and friends in a women's biker bar. They're cowering in the corner, sweating, shaking. Then Tweedy opens his big mouth and says "I feel a tingle going down my leg" Carlson says "that's pee Chris". KO's head explodes. The end result is not pretty. Snark.

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    Matthews (none / 0) (#34)
    by Salo on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:51:57 PM EST
    Among his many sins couldn't even figure out why his beloved Pennsylvannia went for Clinton.
    boy oh boy did he mess up there.

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    some pulse of his people (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by DandyTIger on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:54:03 PM EST
    he's got. He'll be perfect for Axelrod to represent him then. Snark.

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    No, sorry, factually incorrect (none / 0) (#64)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:24:24 PM EST
    Tweety was predicting the week before the primary that Hillary would win by 17.

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    What A Fool (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:51:04 PM EST
    He is obviously jealous of Hillary. Just the thought of her must make him painfully aware of how stupid and irrelevant he is, so he has to turn her into a shrunken head. What a moron. Glad that I do not have a teevee.

    No video? Takes video nowadays to get (none / 0) (#35)
    by jawbone on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:52:35 PM EST
    real reaction from employers and public.

    We need video!

    And now for another chance to use your imagination:

    Just imagine there's an Obama pen--choose your vocal sounds (uhs, hems and haws, something some poeple have made fun of...) and then have one of the MSNBC boys present another commentator with the pen, push it for the noise, do it several times.

    Try to imagine the outrage and fallout from doing something like that.

    Media Matters Link (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:53:07 PM EST


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    T/U--I'd clicked the photo in the column, (none / 0) (#51)
    by jawbone on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:09:32 PM EST
    didn't see the video in the upper right corner.

    When will they bring on one of the Hillary nutcrackers to give to Tucker (who will cross his legs involuntarly at the sight of it)?

    That oughta be good for some yucks.

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    two wrongs don't make a right (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by athyrio on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 07:56:05 PM EST


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    I heard Schuster make similar comments... (none / 0) (#53)
    by Exeter on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:10:24 PM EST
    ...on the Ed Schultz Air America show. Of course, you have a msm media that has called Clinton a witch, nur#se ratchet, bitc*, and a whor*.

    And Bush has been called.... (1.00 / 1) (#91)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:30:54 AM EST
    a moron, retard, monkey, murderer, trust fund f*ck-up, etc.

    They are politicians...they deserve ridicule.  They ridicule us everyday they go to work.  

    Not that McCain, Obama and Clinton have been at work much lately:)

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    Not comments based on sex / race (none / 0) (#104)
    by Exeter on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:09:29 AM EST
    Can you imagine if Hillary had compared Obama to a monkey? It would be disgusting and horribly racist. Well, when Obama compared Hillary to a skittish house cat, is was equally offensive and sexist.

    The same is true for the media. If you think she comes accross a certain way to voters, articulate those comments in a way that does not involve sex or race.  It's actually not that difficult, the problem with the most in the media is that when they look at Hillary they see a woman first and a candidate second.

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    Ed Schultz is one of the worst offenders (none / 0) (#76)
    by shoephone on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:53:27 PM EST


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    I thought Scarborough should have (none / 0) (#59)
    by MarkL on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:15:52 PM EST
    been fired the day he threatened to hit Mika B., on the air.

    Schuster CAME FROM Fox News (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:26:53 PM EST
    and he definitely does not want to go back there.  I actually had an email exchange with him directly after he'd been at MSNBC for a while, and he said he was very happy to be out from under the Fox regime.

    I (none / 0) (#70)
    by sas on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 08:55:34 PM EST
    hate those bastards.

    what is the sexist part? (none / 0) (#73)
    by AgreeToDisagree on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:38:06 PM EST
    ?

    Hint: For the same reason Tucker says he (none / 0) (#98)
    by jawbone on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:47:55 AM EST
    involuntarily crosses his legs when he thinks of Hillary.

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    I concur (none / 0) (#75)
    by andgarden on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 09:50:59 PM EST
    I've been watching lots of the food network recently.

    Fire Him (none / 0) (#80)
    by chrisvee on Thu Apr 24, 2008 at 10:25:20 PM EST
    I can't see how he survives this incident with his job intact.  He's utterly and totally without remorse.  His behavior was outrageous.

    Tucker (none / 0) (#89)
    by bernarda on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:00:32 AM EST
    You've got to be kidding, ignorant idiot Tucker is a "senior campaign correspondent"? No education, no knowledge, no nothing. I guess that makes a good correspondent.

    C'mon guys.... (none / 0) (#90)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:27:26 AM EST
    still haven't figured out how to work that remote control yet?

    For folks who can't tolerate MSNBC, you sure do watch a ton of it.

    I don't have cable. (none / 0) (#93)
    by honora on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 07:38:08 AM EST
    I don't watch MSNBC, but that doesn't mean that I cannot and should not be appalled by what Schuster says.  However, I believe that we would be better served, if we stopped watching MSNBC and allowed the ratings to speak for themselves.

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    Be appalled.... (none / 0) (#103)
    by kdog on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 09:08:54 AM EST
    that is your right.

    Me?  My appalled list doesn't have room for knucklehead pundits, it's too long as it is.  

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    More (none / 0) (#95)
    by sas on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:06:36 AM EST
    related to MSNBC....

    Keith Olbermann said a (male) Democratic super delegate should take Hillary Clinton into a room, and only the man should emerge.

    He is advocating violence (?) against Hillary. What does he mean? In any case it is irresponsible and he should BE FIRED! (write to letters@msnbc.com)

    We need to say this.  Everywhere.

    What he said was that (none / 0) (#106)
    by misspeach2008 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:40:00 AM EST
    only one of them should come out.  My money is on Hillary.

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