I deeply resent the implication that to NOT be for Obama is to no longer care about empowering people of color. It would be the equivalent of me accusing him of opposing empowering women because he does not support Hillary Clinton.

The democratic party has sent a clear message which rights are more important to them.  Why is sexism so much more acceptable than racism?  Why can't we fight for both, equally, together?  Whatever happened to change and unity?

More importantly, why are people who dissent being made into horrible monsters?  This mob mentality is classic psychology.  What the netroots is seeing is akin to the Stanford prison experiment.  It took only a few hours before the jailers turned into totalitarian monsters.  

"This man had been transformed...It was like [seeing] Jekyll and Hyde. . . . It really took my breath away."

I don't agree with this strategy. At all. But I respect it. I understand it. And I made my peace with it long ago when I came around to openly supporting Obama's candidacy at the beginning of the year.

I notice no one ever does when criticizing and insulting me.

And when racial comments were made by Clinton surrogates, I severely criticized those comments, including those by Bill Clinton.

would you care to cite those comments for the rest of the class, because i don't seem to recall any? sen. obama, his surrogates and campaign certainly have, but the clinton's, her surrogates and campaign have scrupulously avoided any racist comments.

being a racist comment, and someone wanting desperately for it to be a racist comment are not mutually inclusive events. anyone can be accused of racism, providing actual evidence is another matter entirely. no one has yet provided such evidence, with respect to the clinton campaign.

it has been solely the obama campaign (i reasonably assume with his permission and complicity) that has injected race as a negative into the primary campaign, period.

with regards to your friend's comments: what has sen. obama actually accomplished, of any actual substance, for anyone other than himself, in his entire public life? take your time responding, you'll need it.

the only reason he's a candidate is due to his race and gender. were he a similarly situated white male (that is, one with no particular level of experience or record of public accomplishment), he'd be known, if he was known at all, as the quiet junior senator from IL.

ms. ferraro was absolutely correct in her assessment, screeches of racism from the hysterical obama camp won't change the facts.

I dare not read past most post's initial comments, as it similar to reading a Free-Republic posting about...well, Hillary Clinton, in its hateful tones.

This is rich, posted on a site where most posts are "similar to reading a Free-Republic posting about...well, Hillary Clinton, in its hateful tones."  And I'm sure that at Kos the writer reads well past the initial comments where Hillary's psychosis and sociopathy and racism are dissected--but in a fun, Kossack kinda way.

I see disaster in Obama's future if he continues on his "I have superior character and judgment and I'm cool, vote for me!" path. The McCainstream Media won't tolerate smears against their Beloved McMaverick.

You two are living proof people can disagree without rancor - which in turn elevates both of you while informing others.

That and Bill never said anything that would be construed as racist by anyone who wasn't already predisposed towards destroying his legacy.

It's just funny to see the way they treat their "friends."

I defy anyone to find a post where I extol Hillary Clinton's candidacy or campaign.

You post .......here.

And you don't smack down the delusional/offensive  stuff in the comments of your posts. Or challenge Jeralyn.

I hate to say it but you have lost a LOT of respect for your integrity. I'm still holding out hope, but all I can do is shake my head every time I come here and see the stuff you let slide that you would have gutted at Dkos. And DID gut at DD, if you recall.

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by gyrfalcon on Sun May 11, 2008 at 04:20:59 PM EST

This is unnecessarily rude and hostile to one of our hosts.  You could have made the same points in a respectful way.  Many folks here actually have, over and over again.

you haven't seen rude then. a bit blunt perhaps. possibly a tad harsh, as my original point (noted by you also) has been made, repeatedly, and BTD still seems oblivious to it. yes, i read his response posts. i'm still (as are others) waiting for actual racist comments, by the clinton campaign or it's official surrogates, to be "exposed" by BTD, or anyone else.

reality and perception are not mutually inclusive by definition.

there was no foul language, nor any personal attack on BTD. for me, that was pretty darn mild, just ask my manager and the federal courts.

had i been "rude", weeks of counseling would be required, for your complete recovery. :)

BTD's a big boy, and fully capable of expressing himself. i feel certain, had he felt i'd crossed that "bright line", he'd have said so.