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John Edwards Endorsement: Thread Three

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:48:39 PM EST
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He begins with long praise for Hillary and goes into a unity pronouncement. He was good.

Now he's getting to the endorsement.

He starts with issues, which is odd, since the Obama and Hillary are so similar on them.

Update: He's not mentioning one distinction between Hillary and Obama. He's just reciting Democratic values. If you didn't know he was going to endorse Obama, you would have no idea he wasn't going to end by endorsing Hillary.

Now he says the voters have made their choice and there is one man who knows how to create change and it is Obama. So that's the reason for endorsing Obama.

It's not about ending the race, not about who would be a better President or who can better beat McCain. [More...]

The rest of his endorsement is not about Obama but a repeat of his own campaign speeches about One America and poverty.

I heard no reason to support Obama over Hillary other than ending the race and unifying the party, which he calls "One America."

It's over. It could just as easily have been Hillary standing next to him receiving the endorsement. Did anyone hear an explanation of why Obama would be a better candidate to win against John McCain?

Update: My take having heard the speech: The party leaders are concerned that Hillary's win in W.Va. and her anticipated win in KY, although it won't be by the same margin, is causing people to conclude Obama can't win in November against McCain. They want to cut that argument in the bud and by rallying behind Obama now, they're hoping to redirect the conversation.

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    John Edwards is teaching Obama (5.00 / 6) (#1)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:50:21 PM EST
    I hope Obama listened to what he said about Hillary.  And if Obama can't get people to stop booing Clinton he won't win.

    p.s. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:12 PM EST
    how much better would the race have been if it had been Clinton and Edwards, he knows how to give a speech.

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    do you honestly think (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    he wants them to stop booing?

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    One would hope so (5.00 / 5) (#34)
    by Democratic Cat on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:31 PM EST
    but if he wanted them not to boo, wouldn't he just have an advance person scold the crowd before the press turned on their cameras?

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    He had (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by wingman2007 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:50 PM EST
    a very broad smile on his face as if he thought it was cute.

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    Ugh (5.00 / 2) (#136)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:28 PM EST
    Obama grinned while they booed.

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    If you mean Obama - my answer is (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:57 PM EST
    he better and if you mean Edwards my answer is yes.

    That booing must be addressed immediately by Obama if he wants to win the election in November.

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    I meant Obama (none / 0) (#206)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:37:15 PM EST
    I think he if fine with it.

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    absolutely not (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:58 PM EST
    then, he'd have to start doing the booing himself. He doesn't want to get caught again scratching his cheek, and brushing that dirt off his pure self.


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    Oh, please (1.00 / 1) (#193)
    by TedL on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:34:39 PM EST
    Every time Sen. Clinton has won a primary, Barack Obama has begun his speech that night by congratulating her.

    How many times did Sen. Clinton fail to return the compliment when Obama won?  A dozen?

    You can't seriously believe she's been a more gracious campaigner than he has.

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    this for me (none / 0) (#210)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:38:41 PM EST
    if so, yes I could seriously believe that.

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    I have to believe that or (none / 0) (#27)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:58:53 PM EST
    I would really have to quit the party

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    Time to quit, then, bjorn. (5.00 / 7) (#58)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:03 PM EST
    Obama thinks it's cool to brush HRC off his shoulder and fake-flip her off.

    A little booing isn't going to bother him.

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    don't make me cry!! (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:32 PM EST


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    dont quit (5.00 / 3) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:15 PM EST
    just let these idiots self destruct and we will pick up the pieces in 4 years.

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    I can't help it, I want my unity pony (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:41 PM EST


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    Capt. Howdy...why wait 4 years? (4.00 / 4) (#166)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:26:45 PM EST
    Our time is NOW. They Obamacons, have split the party!!! We HAVE TO TAKE IT TO THE CONVENTION!! NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT.
    PEOPLE,WE HAVE GOT TO HAVE ANOTHER BLOW OUT IN KENTUCKY.
    HILLARY, STAY STRONG!!! WE WILL PREVAIL!
    POPULUS VOX, POPULUS DEUS!

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    Im right behind you dude (none / 0) (#202)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:27 PM EST


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    So am I (none / 0) (#214)
    by Andy08 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:39 PM EST


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    sorry, it's vox populi, vox deus! (none / 0) (#220)
    by NO2WONDERBOY on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:34 PM EST
    meaning: the voice of the people is the voice of God.
    The voice of the people who have no voice, HILLARY will make them heard with our help.

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    sorry... (4.33 / 6) (#120)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:04 PM EST
    I'm over this poseur Obama. He has no class, he can't win, and the Party is trying to shove him down my throat.

    I just want a President who actually cares about SOME of the things I care about...who will be strong enough to turn this country around after 8 years of horror...and they keep telling me Obama is that person.

    Sorry, I believe my own eyes and ears and not what the TeeVee is telling me.

    If he is lucky enough to get VP, that's far, far more than he deserves.

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    Obama is unteachable. (4.20 / 10) (#3)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:51:56 PM EST
    That's why he will lose in a landslide.

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    What do you need to learn when are... (4.42 / 7) (#11)
    by Exeter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:54:44 PM EST
    ...omniscient?

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    And transcendent! (4.33 / 6) (#26)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:58:02 PM EST


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    Clinton has made Obama a (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:51:34 PM EST
    better candidate.  Hmmmm.  Let's see the evidence.

    Uh, uh, uh, (5.00 / 8) (#6)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:46 PM EST
    just a minute, sweetie!

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    She has. (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:26 PM EST
    Without her, he would have been toast.

    Without her, the Democratic Party would have most certainly have no chance in November.

    I am still not convinced of our chances with Obama or even Clinton, but if she had not influenced this race and Obama, he would have had no chance in the face of the GOP.  Obama supporters will always be resentful of her while I will always be grateful to her - especially if he manages to beat McCain.

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    Obama wouldn't (5.00 / 4) (#92)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:00 PM EST
    have known why he'd lost if she hadn't stuck to her guns.

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    Universal Healthcare.... (5.00 / 7) (#7)
    by Bob Boardman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    Someone get a note to Edwards....

    Obama does not support universal healthcare...

    Starting today he does (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:50 PM EST
    Obama just promised health care for every American.

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    Don't worry... (5.00 / 6) (#93)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:19 PM EST
    it's just a "best-case scenario."

    Sorry. His promises are completely worthless to me.

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    Just words (5.00 / 5) (#102)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:52 PM EST
    he has been saying all along that his health care plan will give insurance to "everyone who wants it." He believes this translates into UHC and he has defended his position so vigorously that I simply do not believe he will change it now. Sure, he'll say it, and he may have even promised it to get Edwards endorsement, but if he does get the WH it will be a "non-starter" as Kerry said.  

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    Non Starter? (none / 0) (#172)
    by squeaky on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:28:33 PM EST
    Well that is not because of Obama, Hillary or Edwards. It is because there is no GOP support for anything close to UHC and many conservative dems are against it too.

    A national referendum would show that most americans want a plan that is single payer. Cut the insurance companies out. All they do is complain that they are losing money anyway.

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    Don't defend Kerry's comments to me (5.00 / 3) (#188)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:29 PM EST
    First, anyone who isn't for UHC in congress is not a Dem. Second, would it kill the "real" Dems in Congress to get off their a$$es and do their jobs? Oh, yeah, they were the ones who killed Hillary's first attempt at UHC in 1992 (majority Dem congress) and this is the same bunch of morons who decided that impeaching Bush was a "non-starter." You may be happy to let them off easy for failing to carry out the will of the people, but I'm not so forgiving.

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    Oh, and since you don't seem (5.00 / 3) (#204)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:49 PM EST
    to know much about how politics work -- it is their jobs to build the support they need to get their agendas passed, not just sit around getting fat and breezily saying "we would do it, promise to baby Jesus we would, but we just don't have enough votes. Better luck next year."  

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    If Elizabeth (5.00 / 8) (#124)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:07 PM EST
    believed it, she would absolutely be standing there with John.  If Elizabeth Edwards doesn't believe it....I don't believe it, not for a minute.

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    Elizabeth voted for Hillary. (none / 0) (#223)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:42:57 PM EST
    It would be cool if she endorsed her tomorrow.  A girl can dream, right?

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    Promises are cheap (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by befuddled on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:26 PM EST
    Commitment is dear. What is the evidence that he has commitment to anything, as demonstrated by results? It seems unlikely that health care will get off the ground with him--maybe he promised Edwards he'd put him in charge of developing UHC. I'm beginning to think he has promised the moon to a lot of people.

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    exactly, i have no faith in obama making (5.00 / 0) (#247)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:05 PM EST
    a sincere effort to deliver on health care. remember he finally put on the flag pin after saying no no no. how sincere was that? yup, just what i thought also.

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    that would be so nice, but (5.00 / 1) (#235)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:35 PM EST
    i have to wonder what the final product will look like once the insurance companies tear it to pieces. and no doubt the dems will let have a go at it.

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    REALLY (1.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:10 PM EST
    if he can make me believe that (BIG if) I might just vote for him.

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    It would certainly make it go down easier (1.00 / 1) (#123)
    by A little night musing on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:59 PM EST
    But I still feel thrown under the bus. Will I vote for him if he's the nominee? Almost certainly - but back in February I would have said "Definitely, and happily". He's really got to own the problem and own up to it.

    I'm glad I couldn't watch this BTW. If I'd heard the crowd booing Clinton's name...

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    that would be so nice, but (none / 0) (#237)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:03 PM EST
    i have to wonder what the final product will look like once the insurance companies tear it to pieces. and no doubt the dems will let them have a go at it.

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    When voters (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:11 PM EST
    support a person who does not support their platform ... it is racist or sexist.

    However, when a pol supports a person who does not support their platform... IT IS POLITICS.

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    Neither does Hillary (3.20 / 5) (#24)
    by jtaylorr on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:44 PM EST
    There's an enormous difference between universal health care and universal coverage, what Hillary i s pushing for.
    The only candidate who had a real plan for universal health care was Dennis Kucinich and that ship sailed long ago (though you can still call your congressperson and tell him/her to support HR 676)
    Basically, we have to chose who's health care plan sucks less.

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    Neither does Hillary???? (4.60 / 10) (#107)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:29 PM EST
    Where were you in the '90's?

    Bill and Hillary were the only people ever in the WH to try to pass universal Healthcare. EVER!

    The fact that people like Obama's healthcare spokesman Rep Jim Cooper worked his ass off as a Insurance company surrogate to defeat it is what is Ironic here. Edwards endorses the guy who not only does not propose universal Coverage as a first step to Universal healthcare but employs Cooper. Way to go Edwards (snark).

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    that was then talex. (none / 0) (#209)
    by coigue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:38:21 PM EST


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    What's your point? (none / 0) (#227)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:37 PM EST


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    Agreed. Neither Obama or Clinton's plans (none / 0) (#234)
    by independent thinker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:14 PM EST
    were universal in the sense of Canadian style single payer system. THAT is what we really need.

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    He has to speak for Obama I guess? (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by Teresa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:53:58 PM EST
    Speak for the disadvantaged John because the man beside you does not do it.

    Obama will send Edwards (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by Josey on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:39 PM EST
    into those small towns that Obama avoids - you know - with all those bitter voters and their guns, God, and racism.

    I hope Kentuckians aren't swayed by this desperate move by Obama!

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    Would they vote for someone who sent in a decoy? (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:40 PM EST


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    What's Bill been up to? (none / 0) (#183)
    by 1jane on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:24 PM EST


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    campaigning on his wife's behalf (5.00 / 3) (#232)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:00 PM EST
    AND her platform. Something tells me JE's stumping won't be about hope and change, but the message that Obama can't seem to figure out how to deliver OR believe in.

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    No (5.00 / 3) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:55 PM EST
    because they are actually going to have to pull the lever for Obama not Edwards. I don't see him helping much.

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    Would Edwards (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:22 PM EST
    help in Ore? Of course, those early voting numbers are tied so it could be that they are worried about Oregon.

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    Heh - is Edwards still on the ballot in (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by Shainzona on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:37 PM EST
    Kentucky?  Wouldn't it be funny if he acts as BO's decoy and gets more votes than BO.

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    look joe sixpack is not stupid like the (5.00 / 1) (#254)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    creative class might have you believe. he knows and understands more than the media gives them credit for about these things. they won't fall for edwards coming around saying vote for obama.

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    look joe sixpack is not stupid like the (none / 0) (#255)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    creative class might have you believe. he knows and understands more than the media gives them credit for about these things. they won't fall for edwards coming around saying vote for obama.

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    Good grief (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by sonya on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:55:45 PM EST
    Nobody listened to Edwards when he was a candidate, why should they start now?

    So this is about ending the race (5.00 / 6) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:56:04 PM EST
    cynically I think it is about keeping Edwards bread buttered.

    Cha-Ching! (5.00 / 5) (#29)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:04 PM EST


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    amen, brother (5.00 / 6) (#56)
    by angie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:51 PM EST
    guess who bought Edwards the jet ski?
    Edwards is a traitor -- to women & to UHC. I'm not surprised though because of the way he treated Hillary when he was still in (I especially remember his horrible comments about her crying after NH). The only respect I have left for this man is the fact that he had the good sense to marry Elizabeth (and granted, that is no small thing).

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    Edwards Mailing List Just Expanded (5.00 / 3) (#148)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:21:15 PM EST
    ten fold just in time for his request for contributions to his college fund initiative.

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    I regret bitterly that I donated (none / 0) (#174)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:29:27 PM EST
    to Edwards now.

    OTOH, now I can send multi-syllable condemnations of BHO's policies back to him in his own postage-paid envelopes when I end up on another BHO mailing list.    

    You can also put weighty objects in the envelope to make the postage due go up.

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    Me too... (none / 0) (#197)
    by NWHiker on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:33 PM EST
    Donated much too much, I think. Gah.

    But I also gave some money to Clinton this morning.

    Still, I'm sick.

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    I like the way you think. :) (none / 0) (#244)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:47:12 PM EST


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    Edwards (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:00 PM EST
    sounds more like a speech for himself (VP?) than for Obama.  I noticed that they held things up long enough so that Edwards' speech didn't actually make onto the air.
    Oh he just said that all the Democrats have chosen their candidate B.O.   (the @ss).   Hey I just noticed Obama isn't standing, but sitting  on a stool on the stage, and he look a little tired.

    I feel a song coming on! (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by DEM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
    "There is only one man who can lead any workers' regime. He lives for your problems, he shares your ideals and your dreams ...

    Peron is everything! He's the soul, the nerve, the hope and the Reality of the Argentine people.  We all know that there is only One man in our movement with his own source of light -- we all feed from his light -- and that is Peron." -- Evita

    stop it (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:19 PM EST
    you are scaring me

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    Heh (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:29 PM EST
    But the descamisados are all with Hillary in this campaign.

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    Edwards just gave all the cities to the boys (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM EST
    while the girls get suburbia (at least for educational purposes).

    for bake sales purposes (none / 0) (#108)
    by DFLer on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:38 PM EST


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    the good news is (5.00 / 9) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:17 PM EST
    this will be as meaningless as every other endorsment.
    I was an Edwards supporter.  I dont feel my mind changing.

    Obama (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:25 PM EST
    should hope that it's meaningless because it comes off as more Richardson.

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    it won't pay the mortgage. it won't (5.00 / 1) (#263)
    by hellothere on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:54:54 PM EST
    get johnny healh care. it won't do a lot of things except further irritate many voters.

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    Yes, and I (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:33 PM EST
    remember how the Kennedy endorsements were going to change the CA vote... it just didn't happen.

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    Ending the race? (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:37 PM EST
    Okay, they really are trying to shove her out of the race and force Obama down our throats. And disenfranchise MI and FL too. This is bad, bad, bad. And it looks like Obama, once again, losing and getting embarrassed and trying to cover it up or pretend it doesn't exist. Ugh.

    It never seems to occur to anyone (5.00 / 9) (#45)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:17 PM EST
    that it might be more unifying if Obama drops out.

    That would end the race too.

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    That's because, realistically... (none / 0) (#229)
    by Binx on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:44 PM EST
    Obama is winning and Hillary is not. The winner is not required to drop out.

    I am really amazed at the persistent vitriol here. I've been watching and reading and participating in the same primary race you all have and don't understand how the events of the campaign, despite the unfortunate level of rhetoric, can have hardened your hearts this way.

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    Does Obama really think Edwards has a lot (5.00 / 6) (#38)
    by Exeter on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:56 PM EST
    of pull in Michigan or anywhere?  The difference Edwards made in 2004 was delivering North Carolina to George Bush with a 12 point margin instead of the embarassing 13 point margin in 2000.

    But what does matter .... (none / 0) (#139)
    by v2r1 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:40 PM EST
    This was a masterful stroke. Whatever you may think of it and whichever side you are on ... it was a brilliant politically.

    It changed the narrative from Hillary to Obama on the day after a trouncing.

    It gave the appearance of a momentum

    It started talks of post race unity.

    The Obama team is very smart. Despite Hillary being an amazing pol, the folks around her are just idiots.  They couldn't control the media and were absolutely lousy planners.  

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    Ummmm... (5.00 / 1) (#164)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:26:09 PM EST
    clearly the media didn't cover it much. And they are picking up on Clinton's insistence on 2209.

    I think calling it brilliant is overstating just a tad.

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    "masterful strokes" (5.00 / 0) (#171)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM EST
    I will leave that alone but just let people use some imagination.  

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    Clinton with the block (none / 0) (#212)
    by Ellie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:37 PM EST
    Actually she knocked it off 2/3 of the nets entirely and shrunk on the third one.

    Check whose fist has the fly, grasshopper.

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    Edwards had no respect for Hilary's WV victory (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:06 PM EST
    He could have at least waited so the savor of Hilary's victory in WV could have been absorbed for at least one complete day.  I think he gave her the coup de grâce blow today.
    stepping on it was the whole point (5.00 / 8) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:13 PM EST


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    after telling her to play nice. GRRRRR! (5.00 / 3) (#85)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:08:35 PM EST


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    If they cared about unity (5.00 / 12) (#42)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:00:54 PM EST
    they would not have let that crowd boo the mention of Hillary Clinton.

    the crowd boos Hillary and Obama grins (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    Thank goodness Edwards was there to be a grownup and hold his hands out and look down, UNsmilling, until the crowd stopped.

    That was a telling and disturbing moment. Someone needs to sit Obama down and explain to him the basics of gracious winning. Otherwise, he's sure as hell not going to be grinning like that on election night.

    What a class-less, juvenile move. At this moment, I'd just as soon vote for George W. Bush.

    Unity my fanny....

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    Probably the same crowd that interrupted (none / 0) (#50)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:02:57 PM EST
    her campaign stop in West Virginia.

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    Was this tonight? (none / 0) (#156)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:23:58 PM EST
    During the Edwards talk?  on teebee?

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    Yes, it was (5.00 / 2) (#180)
    by daria g on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:22 PM EST
    The instant Edwards mentioned her name the entire crowd started booing her.  It was embarrassing.  For them.

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    Confirms my suspicions (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:01:10 PM EST
    Someone--Dean maybe?--asked him to step in and see if he could put an end to the primary.

    Well (5.00 / 5) (#65)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:25 PM EST
    it won't work. In two days everybody will have forgotten that Edwards endorsed Obama.

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    Hope you're right. n/t (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:09:35 PM EST


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    Did Obama just mention Elizabeth? (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:02:02 PM EST


    Yes he did! (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by cherubic18 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:06 PM EST
    She's not part of this endorsement, and yet he just mentioned her at least twice before CNN threw his speech into the background.  Once again, endeavoring to take what isn't his ...

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    OH MAN! What a Commedia Tragica (5.00 / 4) (#52)
    by feet on earth on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:01 PM EST
    is this spectacle of an endorsement!
    Watching it and thinking
    We Have Been Had
    The Coup is On
    Women are being sold everyday now by the party and its leadership

    COMMEDIA TRAGICA

    God, he really is giving a convention (5.00 / 2) (#54)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:16 PM EST
    Vice-President speech tonight.  Lord what did they promise him?
    Obama is now trying to co-op Elizabeth and her fight for health care.

    That might be enough (5.00 / 9) (#70)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:55 PM EST
    for Elizabeth to endorse Hillary.

    CNN cut away from Obama to go to Lou Dobbs. Panel is dicussing how Obama just stepped all over her media today. Calling him basicallt classless.

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    Wouldn't that be wonderful? n/t (5.00 / 3) (#101)
    by cherubic18 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:50 PM EST


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    steal this agenda... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:04 PM EST
    ...of course.

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    one question (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:12 PM EST
    where is Gore.  I thought it was going to be a joint thing.

    probably tomorrow (5.00 / 6) (#98)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:19 PM EST
    don't you think? One a day until they force Hillary out. Why they can't wait until everyone has voted, I don't know.

    They must believe Obama is weaker against McCain and every minute counts.

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    god I hope not (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:16 PM EST
    I still need some heros

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    And are they factoring in how (5.00 / 2) (#128)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:59 PM EST
    p!ssed off her voters are going to be? Do they expect them all to fall in line behind an inexperienced candidate that will lose the GE just because they will?! Oy.

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    Obama is acting... (5.00 / 4) (#133)
    by lentinel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:12 PM EST
    Obama is acting like Bush did in 2000.

    While the votes were still being counted, Bush and his motley crew were strutting around looking Presidential.

    Gore and (hold noses) Lieberman were looking like sheep in a thunderstorm.

    Clinton is standing her ground.
    It could make a difference.

    But Obama wants it to be over before everyone wakes up from the collective trance.

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    Nothing will save Obama in the GE (5.00 / 3) (#205)
    by Davidson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:37:09 PM EST
    How can they not know that?  It's not as if Clinton dropping out today would magically help him in any way.  In fact, Clinton being in it helps him tremendously because she's his scapegoat and his base is profoundly anti-Clinton rather than pro-Obama.

    To pick a landslide loser over a GE winner is disgusting enough, but to do this to the first serious woman candidate is absolutely heinous.  Truly.  Our party will go down in the history books that threw away an election that was gift-wrapped for us simply because of misogyny.

    I cannot believe what is happening!

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    My bet is they are saving Gore for KY (5.00 / 1) (#231)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:44:36 PM EST
    Gore endorses after Clinton wins KY.

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    Are you kidding...? (5.00 / 1) (#248)
    by EddieInCA on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:11 PM EST
    Edwards, and Super Delegates are moving to Obama because they think he's weak?


    He's weaker so they're rushing to him?  


    That's your theory?


    Jeez...


    Today I was called a liar and a fool by BTD for giving out FACTS.  Now, the owner/head of this site is claiming that Super Delegates are moving to Obama because he's weaker than McCain.  That goes against all current polling.


    Two hours ago, many people on this site were unabashedly pro-John Edwards. Now, because he endorsed Obama, he's a pariah who must have been bought out, and who's endorsement doesn't matter.  That's insane.  John Edwards has been a wonderful Democrat, working tirelessly for those in our society who have been ignored. He deserves better than to be trashed on this, or any other "Progressive" website.


    I'm leaving this site before I can no longer hold my tongue and get myself banned.  It was a short stay.


    Your house. Your rules.


    Take care, all.

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    After Kentucky would be my guess (none / 0) (#110)
    by ChuckieTomato on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:16 PM EST


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    Umm... (none / 0) (#122)
    by andrewwm on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:52 PM EST
    John Edwards said quite a while ago he'd endorse for the candidate he voted for in NC shortly after NC's election. So it's hardly surprising that it's now. He waited for the voters of his state to vote before endorsing.

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    no, he said (5.00 / 7) (#196)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:32 PM EST
    at least twice on national tv this past week he wouldn't endorse, his endorsement wasn't important and there was no reason to. The only thing that's changed is West Virginia.

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    and possibly whatever he was offered (none / 0) (#233)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:05 PM EST
    to do this.  it looks like he was promised universal health care.


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    Obama just threw in Elizabeth as part of the (5.00 / 7) (#60)
    by Teresa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:24 PM EST
    group. I hope that angers her the way it did me.

    I just got a call from my livid mother. She loved John Edwards and she just sent him a blistering email. I've been on the wrong side of her temper so I can only imagine.

    Thanks, Jeralyn (5.00 / 5) (#62)
    by chancellor on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:44 PM EST
    I couldn't bring myself to watch. However, it sounds pretty amorphous to me, other than his joining the chorus of the media pundits saying that the race is over.

    it was totally (5.00 / 4) (#105)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:03 PM EST
    rah-rah, no substance on why Obama is preferable.

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    Edwards did talk about those nasty (none / 0) (#160)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:25:08 PM EST
    federal lobbyists.

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    Pat Buchanan points out (5.00 / 6) (#63)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:57 PM EST
    this could backfire badly if Obama gets no uptick in Kentucky after the Edwards endorsement, and presumably campainging.

    Pat on Cris Matthews (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:36 PM EST
    Pat going off about Biden and Ferraro were right that is why what they said was a gaffe.  He said Obama would not be where he is if he was not AA, it's popular with the Cris Matthews of the world.  LOL.

    Pat is p!ssed about WV.  He says the kids are leaving the state, these are people who volunteer and die at a higher rate in this nation and they are being called uneducated, etc.  (racist).  Pat is on fire tonight.  I haven't watched this show in at least 8 weeks.  wow.

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    It Is Scary When I Agree With Buchanan (5.00 / 1) (#203)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:31 PM EST
    Wrote in the first Edwards' thread that if Obama gets trounced in KY after Edwards' endorsement it will just further emphasize that Obama will not be able to garner blue collar support in the GE.


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    true, and he won't (5.00 / 2) (#211)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:23 PM EST
    Obama has polled way, way low in KY for months. It'll take more than Edwards to help him there. And honestly, I think opinions have hardened so much against Obama that in places like Kentucky and West Virginia and Central PA and Southern Ohio, this endorsement will hurt Edwards more than it will help Obama.

    My family in Alabama like Edwards. They detest Obama. I know what their reaction will be: they'll be disappointed in Edwards and see this is a sellout.

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    I got lost (5.00 / 6) (#64)
    by DEM on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:05:04 PM EST
    "Did anyone hear an explanation of why Obama would be a better candidate to win against John McCain?"

    Can't help ya there.  Started zoning during the scarily-hypnotic "ONE MAN!" riff.

    If this is about ending the race then ... (5.00 / 4) (#71)
    by dwmorris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:06:05 PM EST
    there must be some serious concern within the DNC and Obama camp that Clinton has a chance to pull this out.

    Edwards was one of the biggest cards they have to play.

    They should have waited until the 19th, but I suppose they are desperate to change the narrative off WV.

    This Will Not Unite the Party (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Bob Boardman on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:02 PM EST
    If Obama is trying to establish his creds as a uniter this is not going to help.

    He's flipped the bird at me and now he tells the voters of West Virginia that they don't matter....

    This does not make me feel like I want to vote for this charlatan.

    grinning while Hillary was booed didn't help too (5.00 / 0) (#219)
    by kempis on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:09 PM EST


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    Exactly, Jeralyn! (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by Josey on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:43 PM EST
    >>>>So this is about ending the race, not about who would be a better President or who can better beat McCain

    And we're stuck with a candidate that "won" by gaming the caucuses and winning red states that will still be red in Nov.
    sigh

    and by gaming the system (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by TruthMatters on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:09:59 PM EST
    you mean not skipping them right?

    or you saying Obama should be ashamed for being ready for the days AFTER Feb. 5th just because Hillary wasn't?

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    Pease do not campaign for Obama against . (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:59 PM EST
    Clinton--please

    he will be (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:35 PM EST
    in Kentucky

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    noooooooooooooo! (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:36 PM EST


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    They have to get Obama's number up (5.00 / 0) (#127)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:56 PM EST
    There is no way that Clinton is going to win this, barring somebody catching Obama murdering puppies in a Satanic ritual (and possibly not even then). The Party simply can't afford to offend Obama's supporters. The fix was in from the beginning, but Clinton's tenacity made me have hope that she might be able to fight the odds.

    Edwards has to help Obama get his numbers up with white voter's. I don't know if he can, with Obama shooting himself in the foot repeatedly, but he has to try. Edwards is a fighter, and he fights for the party.  They have to fight the meme that Obama can't get white votes before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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    Yup Obama is (5.00 / 2) (#146)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:47 PM EST
    a second rate tosser, but he's our second rate tosser.

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    WHY CAN THEY AFFORD (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:23:05 PM EST
    TO ALIENATE CLINTON'S SUPPORTERS?

    This is the stupidest talking point ever.

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    They can't (5.00 / 0) (#163)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:25:32 PM EST
    And Edwards isn't. He's smart enough to know that the only way to win is to convince Clinton's supporter's to vote for Obama, which is why he isn't insulting Clinton, he is praising her. Unfortunately, he is in the minority among Obama's supporters.

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    Obama needs to praise Clinton. (5.00 / 6) (#173)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:29:22 PM EST
    Not Edwards. Obviously, Obama is too much of a self-important SOB to do it himself.

    Obama needs to reach out to her supporters. Not Edwards.

    It's too late.

    President Clinton or President McCain. Those are our choices.

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    Never (5.00 / 2) (#201)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:36:04 PM EST
    and especially not for Edwards since he showed his promises for fighting corporations, lobbyists, and for universal health care don't mean a d*mn thing.

    What about nuclear and coal, John?

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    They should worry more about offending (5.00 / 7) (#169)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:22 PM EST
    the Clinton voters. All we ever hear about is not offending Obama supporters . . .  it's getting real old real damn quick.

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    Fox will :) (none / 0) (#215)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:49 PM EST
    I'll have to watch Fox again tonight.  I am on a language hunt.  I love watching how the oh such gentle subtlety discuss how Clinton's supporters are treated.

    MSNBC.. (after a lengthy discussion of WV) Cris Matthews...  oh that's right, we forgot Edwards.  Edwards endorsed Obama.  {break for commercial}  Still at commercial or I'd let you know how they spun it.  as Cris says  HAAAck!

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    He doesn't have too (none / 0) (#113)
    by cannondaddy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:14:12 PM EST
    Obama's campaign is already in the GE mode.

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    Scary, but Lou Dobbs (5.00 / 10) (#94)
    by cherubic18 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:10:32 PM EST
    just make a very good point:  that the DNC has repeatedly said they didn't want a brokered convention, but they just brokered the nomination right in front of the American people, and the media is lapping it up!

    he has said a lot of smart (5.00 / 3) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:26 PM EST
    things lately.  he may be many things but he is no kool aid drinker.

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    All I could think when I read this: (5.00 / 2) (#97)
    by Anne on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:11:18 PM EST
    there is one man who knows how to create change and it is Obama.

    was, gee I wonder if he gave Obama one of those old-fashioned metal change-makers that the ice-cream man used to wear on his belt?

    That's the only kind of change I expect Obama to be able to make.

    John Edwards on "change" (5.00 / 5) (#115)
    by Davidson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:14:58 PM EST
    "You can't nice these people to death."

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    Well, Obama is in no danger of doing that.. (none / 0) (#273)
    by FlaDemFem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:46:07 PM EST
    "Nice" isn't on his agenda, as far as I can see.

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    Idiotic (5.00 / 7) (#103)
    by lentinel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:00 PM EST

    "He knows how to create change".

    So does the clerk at the 7-11.

    just laughed out loud (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:59 PM EST
    at that one, very funny.

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    That's Produce Change. (none / 0) (#140)
    by Salo on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:43 PM EST
    or Break Change.

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    "He knows how to create change" (none / 0) (#143)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:22 PM EST
    Then sign him up for a job at the mint.  I'm sure they're looking for someone to design a few new quarters.

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    This is not about the better candidate (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:13:18 PM EST
    I have never heard anybody who wasn't an Obama fanatic or a right-winger claim that Clinton wasn't better qualified to be President, or claim that Obama was. It was never about that. It was about "Hope" and "Unity", and all kinds of subjective ideals that mean nothing unless they are presented as part of a coherent plan to achieve them. At least Edwards isn't lying to us. He is simply saying that Obama is going to be the candidate, and Democrats need to unify behind him to defeat McCain. At some point, Clinton will do the same. Both Edwards and Clinton are honest politicians, and they care about the party.  

    It's over. It was over a while ago, but there was still hope. Now... I'm not sure where to go. I won't vote for Obama, but I won't actively work against him. But I can't seem to resist pointing out the error of the many fans who sing his praises and continue to insult Clinton. I think I need to back off emotionally, just sit this election out as quietly as I can. It would be so much easier if I could convince myself that this was the right thing - or if I could convince myself that I really didn't care.

    Haka (5.00 / 7) (#126)
    by Iris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:21 PM EST
    It's over. It was over a while ago, but there was still hope. Now... I'm not sure where to go.
    This was the whole point - to depress turnout and demoralize Clinton supporters.  A self-fulfilling prophecy if you let it be that.  Obama's doing this from a position of weakness.

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    How can she win? (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:23:55 PM EST
    I'm a logical person, and I can't see a way out of this. Can you please explain to me how Clinton could win the primary at this point and still have a chance at winning the GE? Even if she could convince the super's to all unify behind her tomorrow, even if they decided to count MI and FL, she would still have to deal with the reality that she has will have to win the general election without some key Democratic demographics, because they would be convinced that she had "stolen" the election. The party can't allow that. Obama is not workig from a position of weakness. He has all the cards right now.

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    Popular vote + SD's. (5.00 / 2) (#178)
    by madamab on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:11 PM EST


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    I don't have to convince myself. (5.00 / 7) (#177)
    by lentinel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:30:31 PM EST
    At this point, I really really honestly don't care.
    I don't care about the democratic party.
    Their ethics and morals are identical to the republicans.

    Whether or not they unite - it matters not to me.
    They will unite to elect one of their own - not because there is some great cause that they believe in... like --- uh---ENDING THE WAR.

    I think you are giving Obama too much credit when you call his televangelist b.s. about hope and unity "subjective ideals".
    It's all vague posturing to lure the chumps into the tent. Nothing idealist about it.

    As Chris Bowers so proudly proclaimed, speaking apparently for the progressive movement as a whole, "We nominated the 'black guy'".

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    I agree (5.00 / 3) (#217)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:40:38 PM EST
    Once again, my Obama-supporting co-worker (who is not a cult member, but only occasionally has cultish-tendencies) asked me if Obama gets the nom and he asks Hillary to be VP and she turns it down, who would I like to see.

    I had to tell him that I don't care.  It doesn't matter to me as I am not voting for Obama. No snake oil for me.

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    Someone above (5.00 / 2) (#230)
    by Lena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:49 PM EST
    mentioned that this will backfire. If HRC keeps winning even with this sort of opposition, then it will become apparent that nothing the DNC can do brings her down.

    I believe she will. Hillary's strength was never in the media (obviously) or with the blogs. She draws her strength from entirely other sources.

    If Obama loses Kentucky AFTER the fabulous wondrous Edwards endorsement, it proves that neither money, the media, endorsements from popular party figures, etc. etc. will ever win Obama the support he needs. At that point, the party will either walk blindly into the election with Obama, who will certainly lose, or will come to its senses and pick Clinton.

    I think it will probably do the first. But it's still not over.

    P.S. For the first time ever, upon hearing the Edwards news and understanding the party's loathing of Clinton supporters, I actually considered voting for McCain. Scary.

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    Diane, I am with you (5.00 / 3) (#239)
    by camellia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:23 PM EST
    here -- I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain but neither can I vote for Mr Change and Hope.  I will try to sit this one out as gracefully as I can -- the first time in my 45 years in this country as a voter than I will not have voted Democratic.   I will try to write-in Hillary's name, but with the voting machines in my state I am not sure that will be possible.  However, I live in a red state, so it doesn't really matter substantively how I vote -- it only matters to me.  And my vote will NOT go to Obama.

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    not hope, and not untity (none / 0) (#142)
    by selise on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:20 PM EST
    for many, many people it's also about the war vote. if accountability is to mean anything there ought to be some for that vote.

    i do think if senator clinton hadn't voted for the war with iraq (and for bills like kyl-lieberman), she would be the nominee today.

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    Not that many cared about the war vote (5.00 / 6) (#176)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:30:14 PM EST
    If it had been all about the war vote, then Clinton's numbers would have been abysmal from the outset. Besides, Edwards voted for the war and still had the support of the netroots, and Obama has supported funding the war and does not have a plan for getting us out.

    Clinton never had a chance, because 1) the right hates her, and they own the media 2) Obama's campaign manager's ran the dirtiest Democratic campaign in recent memory and 3) sexism is alive and well in America.

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    not for everyone ... (none / 0) (#238)
    by selise on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:10 PM EST
    but, i think, for many the war vote coupled with no regrets for it were just too much. edwards at least said he regretted it. obama didn't vote for it. that's a real difference.

    now obama might have voted for it if he'd been in the senate (i'm not going to argue that he wouldn't have). but the fact is, he didn't and that gives us a better chance, i think, to repudiate it.

    p.s. not an obama supporter. but i know some.

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    Diane, I am with you (none / 0) (#242)
    by camellia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:52 PM EST
    here -- I cannot bring myself to vote for McCain but neither can I vote for Mr Change and Hope.  I will try to sit this one out as gracefully as I can -- the first time in my 45 years in this country as a voter than I will not have voted Democratic.   I will try to write-in Hillary's name, but with the voting machines in my state I am not sure that will be possible.  However, I live in a red state, so it doesn't really matter substantively how I vote -- it only matters to me.  And my vote will NOT go to Obama.

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    They must have offered John (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:16:17 PM EST
    the chance to hear Obama say his name  a dozen times and to use some of his talking points,  opps some one fainted and luckily Obama had a water bottle handy to throw into the aud.  I also like the woman behind the podium waving a "Women for Obama" hand-lettered sign.  Thank God my wife isn't home, or my computer would have met the wall by now.

    What does it say for the unity pony (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by americanincanada on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:18:37 PM EST
    that it is being reported that Edwards will campaign for Obama against Clinton in kentucky?

    Oh dear... (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:57 PM EST
    Really? They think that will help?

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    Pat Buchannan (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by kelsweet on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:21:23 PM EST
    seems to be much more in tune with what is truth IMO

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    The new definition of unity (5.00 / 3) (#159)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:24:46 PM EST
    and statesmanship is when you choose sides and campaign against a person who 50% of the primary voters chose!

    By that definiteion, John Edwards is a statesman! (and he was my first choice).

    Please, mom, can we have a third party candidate?

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    Clinton 2012 (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by Left of center on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:20 PM EST
    What else is there to say?

    How about Hillary 2008? (5.00 / 2) (#259)
    by Iris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:52:30 PM EST
    I like that even better.

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    I am so disappointed in John Edwards. This (5.00 / 5) (#145)
    by Angel on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:44 PM EST
    may have just pushed me over the edge -- voting for McCain in November.  I had said before I would sit out the election, not vote for president, voting only in the downticket contests.  However, this is a slap in the face to me and every other Hillary supporter and true Democrat who wants the best candidate in November.  They don't want my vote apparently, so they are not going to get it.  

    John Edwards endorsement.... (4.00 / 4) (#256)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:52 PM EST
    is no reason to vote for McCain.

    Sure, it shows that Edwards has no principles, and Obama no class -- but lacking class should not mean that McCain gets your vote.

    Sit it out like me.  That way, whoever drives the country into a ditch, it won't be your fault! ;-)

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    Thanks Paul (5.00 / 1) (#265)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:58:56 PM EST
    For the laugh.  I think we should get T-shirts "I wasn't driving the car that drive us over the cliff!"

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    Blah (5.00 / 4) (#152)
    by lilburro on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:22:31 PM EST
    Elizabeth not being there is huge.  If this draws more attention to Kentucky that's good for Hillary.  And it is drawing more attention to Kentucky - Matthews calling it "the kentucky derby."

    Speech over.  If you ask me, Edwards looks a little embarrassed.  

    I wonder... (5.00 / 8) (#154)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:23:48 PM EST
    how this will all play out.

    The timing was obviously to offset the WVa boost to Clinton.  That, and the crush of SDs to BHO today.

    But it's also a slap in the face to all those working-class WVa voters.  "We will bury you!"  

    Not pretty.

    The Boys Are Piling On Again! (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by JoeCHI on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:24:22 PM EST
    Obama can't finish Clinton off by himself, so he's getting Edwards to try tag teaming her AGAIN!

    LET'S TAKE THE FIGHT TO THEM BOTH IN KENTUCKY AND OPEN A CAN OF WHOOP-ASS ON THE BOYS!

    sexist much (none / 0) (#216)
    by iago on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:49 PM EST
    That was an incredibly sexist post.

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    booyah!! (none / 0) (#251)
    by jedimom on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:49:21 PM EST
    Hillyeah JoeCHI!!!
    BOOYAH!!
    All the way to Denver and the WH baby!!!

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    Great (none / 0) (#260)
    by Upstart Crow on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:52:30 PM EST
    You want to participate in race wars?  A group called "Recreate 68" is getting ready to meet you.

    What kind of "winners" do you think will come out of that?

    They can take the nomination away from you, but they cannot take your dignity unless you give it to them.

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    Pat on MSNBC wow (5.00 / 5) (#168)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:06 PM EST
    is challenging Tweety and Andrea that they agreed last night that WV was a racist vote yet Pat says then why did you not say that about Philadelphia.  Sometimes I have some respect for him.

    Hah, I said the same thing last night (5.00 / 0) (#200)
    by daria g on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:54 PM EST
    Matthews apparently was pontificating about those undereducated, blue collar white voters and what the problem was with them.. and my response was, you mean the same people he was drooling over when he wanted those guys in the dinettes of Philadelphia to vote for Obama?

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    Not going to be good for Obama if national (5.00 / 1) (#175)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:30:02 PM EST
    polling and upcoming contest polling doesn't improve substantially after this endorsement.

    backlash? (5.00 / 4) (#190)
    by kelsweet on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:53 PM EST
    I certainly hope so! I hope she beats him bigger in KY.. This is just wrong.

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    Folks, let's respond to this (5.00 / 4) (#187)
    by mg7505 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:33:02 PM EST
    in the right way: make one less post on TL, and use that time to donate to Hillary's campaign. Or better yet, call someone in KY or Oregon and tell them to vote for her.

    There's a reason the working class supports her -- because when the going gets tough, they roll up their sleeves and work. Obama is creative -- anything to avoid giving a speech of his own about why he can't clinch this thing.

    Rise, Hillary, rise!

    She's not quitting and I am not either (5.00 / 1) (#261)
    by indymom on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:53:05 PM EST
    I just went on Hillary's site and made another donation.

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    With all due respect.... (1.00 / 2) (#241)
    by Laureola on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:49 PM EST
    Do yourself a favor and send money to any progressive candidate or cause instead of wasting it on Clinton.  It's over.

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    ditto (none / 0) (#218)
    by kelsweet on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:06 PM EST


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    Pat on MSNBC wow (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:34:03 PM EST
    He is challenging Tweety and Andrea that they agreed last night that WV was a racist vote yet Pat says then why did you not say that about Philadelphia.  Sometimes I have some respect for him.
    I was just listening to the coverage on NPR (5.00 / 0) (#224)
    by akaEloise on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:12 PM EST
    They used this clip of Edwards:
    There is one man that knows and understands that this is a time for bold leadership. There is one man that knows how to create the change, the lasting change, that you have to build from the ground up.

    I thought it was an....interesting choice of words.  There is one man -- although there are two candidates.

    Thank you, John Edwards (5.00 / 1) (#228)
    by Laureola on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:43 PM EST
    I appreciated his kind words for Senator Clinton and his appeal to unify the party.  Let's forget the sour grapes and get the job done in November.

    Obama is not Satan.

    he's not (5.00 / 1) (#262)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:53:20 PM EST
    satan he's just unelectable. Sorry but it's true.

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    Not being Satan (3.00 / 2) (#268)
    by samanthasmom on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:11:44 PM EST
    is not a very good reason for voting for someone.

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    How (5.00 / 1) (#236)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:45:59 PM EST
    is hiding the fact that Obama can't win in Nov. a problem? Hillary dropping out isn't going to change that. Trying to deflect the argument isn't going to change the facts. Apparently the party really doesn't care about winning in Nov. they just want to run Obama. Can anyone answer me as to why we want to run a known loser for the general election?

    You mean to say.... (5.00 / 0) (#257)
    by Laureola on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:58 PM EST
    Obama can't beat McCain any better than he beat Clinton?

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    Hmmmmmmmm (5.00 / 0) (#245)
    by Tess on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:47:34 PM EST
    Not only was Elizabeth not there...Edwards didn't mention her did he? I may have missed it if he did.

    If that's the case it's rare as he always seemed to mention her in almost every speech.

    Elizabeth has always been my favorite of the two...not sure why...she always seemed more sincere.

    MSNBC coverage (5.00 / 1) (#250)
    by waldenpond on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:53 PM EST
    MSNBC coverage...

    Played his ace in the hole. (Edwards ultimate teammate to Kerry, Edwards delivered harshest criticism's of CL)

    Tim Russert asked Edwards if Clinton was inevitable?  Showing clip of Edwards laughing/mocking Clinton.   Edwards says 'Don't count your chickens before they are hatched.' (was actually rather unpleasant)

    MSNBC is using this to knock Clinton.. Edwards after Clinton again.. 'looking for a president who will be consistent, who will be straight with them.'

    OK, this is funny... Cris and crew 'They looked fantastic together!  Looked like he was unveiling his running mate.  Enjoy the physicality of these guys.  Obama opening his Christmas present, smiling like a Cheshire Cat.  Obama successful in knocking Clinton's interviews out of the news cycle and will be in the story for at least one more day.

    OK, that is all I can put in.  I'll take another turn in 8 weeks. :)

    Obama Hate (5.00 / 0) (#264)
    by atlbabe123 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:55:59 PM EST
    It is very obvious that alot of you are loyal Clinton fans...well how about being loyal for the party. It's always something to say about BO...Do any of you have a problem when the audience boos his name at a Hilary rally...no that's okay. You're still talking about Rev. Wright, a retired old minister. How many of you are Catholic? A church who protects child abusers. You seperate yourself from that don't you? I voted for Hillary but I'll also vote for Obama. I think you need to question what's really going on with you if you'd keep Bush's policies in play if your choice candidate isn't chosen. What's your real reason for choosing McCain? Yes I'm saying it...it's race. There is NO PERFECT CANDIDATE...There are alot of issues that will be raised about Hilary Clinton if she's the nominee and it's alot worst than Rev. Wright...u can look for all of Bill's old dirty laundry to come back out and more. Yes BO is talking unity and Hilary is too...why does the same message sound so much better out of her mouth? It was his message from day 1...you perfer HRC great! But alot of people perfer BO you are no better than they are or vice versa. Stay true to the party...you ever thought they sound alike about alot of things because it is the parties unified thoughts...only diff is how they want to get there and I feel no matter who the nominee is no way will he/she turn down an idea of getting to the goal if that plan is better than his/her own. Work together to get these lying Republicans out of office!!! BO and HRC face huge obstacles in November but face it our party and our people picked a black man and a woman as the forefronters yes I said ours...I know how some of you hate unity...well your HRC said it best all great empires thought they were invincible but yet they all failed and it was because of division and greed they all ate themselves up from the inside out...let's not be another Rome...Also aren't you tired of hearing how Clinton is the favorite for non educated small time workers...well I'm no hick and I'm no biggot That's offensive!

    So (5.00 / 0) (#269)
    by sas on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:19:49 PM EST
    after she cleans up in Kentucky next Tuesday, will they bring out GOre?

    Then what will they do after Puerto Rico?

    What big gun is left?  Carter?

    Who cares.
    The boyz are trying to force her out - and she won't go.  Thank God she won't.

    Take it to the convention Hillary baby!

    "Real and meaningful (4.72 / 11) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:54:07 PM EST
    universal health care."  Mr. Edwards, you may have sold your soul.

    Universal? (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Davidson on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:55:44 PM EST
    He said that?  That's just a brazen lie.  I hope Clinton runs ads showing how Edwards called Obama out during the SC debate.

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    Yeah, I wish (and hope) Elizabeth says something (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:55:58 PM EST
    about this. Or that the MSM picks up on Edwards's comment in relation to Elizabeth's op-ed praising Hillary's plan.

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    The MSM? (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by Esme on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:58:59 PM EST
    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.

    The day the MSM EVER says anything that could remotely benefit Hillary is the day Donna Brazille advocates for Florida and Michigan.

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    They like a bloodbath better than a victor. (none / 0) (#49)
    by ahazydelirium on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:02:15 PM EST
    Is it so wrong to bank on their hubris?

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    Yeah Elizabeth (none / 0) (#118)
    by talex on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:15:54 PM EST
    Notice she is not on stage?

    Perhaps Hillary's Edwards' family endorsement is just days away. Wink!

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    the weakness... (5.00 / 1) (#194)
    by p lukasiak on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:04 PM EST
    the weakness of Edwards' endorsement tells me that Elizabeth won't endorse -- I have the feeling she told John in no uncertain terms that if he said anything but boilerplate about party unity, not only would she endorse Clinton...she'd upstage him by showing up at the very next Clinton rally, and talking about how Hillary represents everything that SHE had been campaigning for.

    so John just show up, said a bunch of nothing in exhange for something (access to Obama cash?), and that was that.

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    Boys club, yawn (4.20 / 5) (#5)
    by Jim J on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:52:20 PM EST
    All very predictable, shades of Kennedy again.

    Yeah (5.00 / 7) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:56:27 PM EST
    there's really nothing much here. Just boilerplate stuff. It won't help Obama in KY. This is the fatal flaw of the Obama campaign. You're right it's the Kennedy thing-put a hispanic on the ticket and therefore Hispanics will vote for you. Wrong.

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    Don't you realize (5.00 / 16) (#21)
    by Steve M on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:57:11 PM EST
    that all white working-class voters have a picture of John Edwards on the mantel?

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    lol!~ thank you, I needed that! (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by nycstray on Wed May 14, 2008 at 05:59:09 PM EST


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    I know I do (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:39 PM EST
    Actually, it's a wall-size mural that I have lights shining on 24 hours a day.

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    Right Next To The Pope And Ted Kennedy n/t (5.00 / 5) (#119)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:15:55 PM EST


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    I just stomped on (5.00 / 4) (#158)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:24:41 PM EST
    the remaining John Edwards For President button I had left. And ripped up the coupla remaining JRE 08 stickers I had.

    So this is WTF allt his talk about universal healthcare and taking on corporations -- especially big media companies -- means.

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    You Took More Drastic Action Than I Did (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by MO Blue on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:31:30 PM EST
    I just opted out of his e-mail list. My in-box is getting smaller every day just like my bookmark list.

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    Tepid Edwards (none / 0) (#199)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:35:46 PM EST
    Jeralyn, I agree with your assessment.  In its own way, the endorsement was rather tepid and generic.  Clearly, Edwards was lured with a promise of something in return - show up today and mask the WV loss and we'll take care of you.

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    I Did, Too... (none / 0) (#225)
    by AmyinSC on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:27 PM EST
    I had deleted the email, then went back, hit the unsubscribe, and deleted it again - permanently.  

    Yeah - I guess all of his talk was just that - talk.

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    Thanks. (5.00 / 2) (#221)
    by ghost2 on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:41:37 PM EST
    I never fell for his transformation.  Somehow, the politician always came through.  Then, after leaving the race, I thought I saw another (likable) side, and thought he may actually care about those issues, especially with Elizabeth talking so much on healthcare.

    However, my initial hunch was right.

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    An Audition for Edwards: Kentucky (5.00 / 0) (#151)
    by Athena on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:22:22 PM EST
    Buchanan is setting up a test now:  Obama should romp to victory with Edwards.

    OK, boys - let's see what you can do in Kentucky.

    Can Edwards deliver in KY?  It's an audition.

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    did you see him go after Chris? (5.00 / 0) (#161)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:25:09 PM EST
    I could watch MSNBC again if this keeps happening!

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    Yeah, he's trying to (5.00 / 0) (#207)
    by Iris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:37:41 PM EST
    speak reality to them, but they just don't want to hear it.  Amazing what a tolerant, upstanding guy Tweety thinks he is, while he degrades everyone in WV and KY (my home), degrades women and entertains a racial double standard.

    My favorite part was where Buchanan pointed out that the "whites" in KY have not been 'running the country.'  These people are clueless, and they have a big surprise coming in November.  

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    What did he do? (none / 0) (#192)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:34:28 PM EST
    I'm stuck at work with no TV...

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    Pat was calling Chris out for (5.00 / 2) (#213)
    by bjorn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:39:38 PM EST
    saying negative things about West Virginians and calling it a racist vote.  He said why didn't you call it racist when Philadelphia voted for Obama.  Pat really shook Chris up, he kept passing it off to Andrea because he didn't really know what to say.  At the end Chris recovered and actually made some sense, but it was fun watching Pat get under his skin.

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    Interesting (5.00 / 0) (#226)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:43:36 PM EST
    especially as how Tweety wants to run for office in PA!

    HAAAA!

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    He said out that Hillary (5.00 / 3) (#243)
    by Iris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:46:58 PM EST
    was only pointing out the same problem with white working class voters that all pundits openly acknowledge.  He pointed out that race was obviously a factor in the decision of many AA's in voting for Obama, that he's 'one of them,' but that somehow it's bad if 'dumb racist uneducated' whites in WV and KY vote for Clinton.  Buchanan suggested "maybe they like the gal!" (YA THINK?)

    This campaign has been fascinating because it has been conservatives who have been able to see through the simple race myths of affluent liberals.  I'm disappointed in my side, and this is no way to create 'unity' or 'one America.'  I fear that in the end this will only create more racial polarization.  On the one hand it's painfully obvious that we have a long way to go, but on the other there is this denial of cold, hard reality that is stunningly naive.

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    this is Edward's speech that he made on his own (none / 0) (#55)
    by kimsaw on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:03:34 PM EST
    behalf. I guess "the One" will borrow "just words". Is this an Obama rally or an Edwards' rally? At least Edwards' said that Hillary is made of steel, I wonder what he thinks Obama is made of. And now Obama will work for UHC whatever that means.

    He's gold-plated (none / 0) (#184)
    by LHinSeattle on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:25 PM EST
    IMO. Gets scratched up pretty quick if things aren't smooth, and then the base metal underneath shows. All metaphorically speaking, of course.

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    Okay...that's it... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kredwyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:04:36 PM EST
    Where's Matt Santos when you need him?

    /snark

    That's off topic (none / 0) (#75)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:07 PM EST
    and I'm not interesting in hosting a site for McCain. Sorry.

    Ouch; dove in and came up for air on Lou Dobbs (none / 0) (#81)
    by Ellie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:07:55 PM EST
    HRC led on networks (shrinking speech to PiP and knocking it off on 2). Edwards looked like he was taking Obama to Inspiration School.

    It's blogfodder and cable news blab, and negative analysis is still sticking to BO.

    More details please! (none / 0) (#104)
    by cmugirl on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:12:01 PM EST


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    Timing was off on speech and endorsement (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Ellie on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:20:39 PM EST
    Bottom of the hour: networks had Sen Clinton on and either the Obama/Edwards event was shrunken and mutely in the corner, or not on at all. CBS and NBC went to int'l disasters in Asia, rising food and fuel costs etc.

    ABC had some coverage but no head-turning moments. Meanwhile, cable gets to see Edwards revving up the crowd and, eventually Obama at the mic (but not at the same level of enthusiasm). When all is done, it comes up on the flip in the face of ...

    ... Lou Dobbs w/ Bill Schneider who crunches Math and Dobbs, who lunges at 2025 vs. 2210, DNC, Dels, SuperDeez etc. with the passion of a pit bull. Ergo, OUCH.

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    Ok, we will get one week (none / 0) (#117)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:15:46 PM EST
    of Edwards on tv non stop.  He will probably not campaign, but he will be the Obama face for the next two weeks, so that KY and Oregon can get confused.  They did it with Richardson.  

    And .. .the Sweetie video... (none / 0) (#182)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:10 PM EST
    ...will be drowned out completely. I actually wonder if that wasn't the point of making the endorsement today. It seems a bit rushed. That video would have been national news.

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    enough about (none / 0) (#208)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:38:01 PM EST
    the sweetie video. It's off topic and you've all already mentioned it multiple times.

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    I think it's relevant (none / 0) (#252)
    by dianem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:49:44 PM EST
    I'm seriouly wondering if this isn't why this endorsement wasn't made today. It seemed to come out of the blue. They could have announced this yesterday, or at least said that there would be an announcement. Maybe I've just spent too much time watching the Bush administration's machinations, but when I see something huge come out of the blue, I wonder if it isn't sleight of hand to distract from something else.

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    Any body know how to contact Edwards? (none / 0) (#125)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:17:08 PM EST


    Cowards hide (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Stellaaa on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:25 PM EST
    he just sent me an email looking for money.  I removed my name from the list.  If you email his campaign it comes back that the campaign is closed.  

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    select 'message for john" or elizabeth (none / 0) (#138)
    by Iris on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:19:37 PM EST
    here.

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    I sent him a blunt message... (5.00 / 1) (#258)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:51:08 PM EST
    ...not disrespectful, but an honest expression of my disappointment in how the party is trying to shut this thing down. They must have so little respect for us, though, to think that we would not accept the outcome of an honest process carried to its proper conclusion.

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    Not a good phone number (none / 0) (#246)
    by Saul on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:47:57 PM EST
    All you get is a recording that he suspended his campaign.  Be nice if someone could get his home address.

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    Just watched the whole thing on CNN.com Live (none / 0) (#167)
    by Rhouse on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:05 PM EST
    Steve Wonder "Signed, Sealed, Delivered" is playing.  Near the end not only did he try to co-op Elizabeth he also tried to co-op Hillary.  CNN is slobbering all over the place about how it's over.
    "The Democratic voters have made their choice and so have I" John Edwards money quote.  Oh and Edwards gives Obama all the white working vote.  Morons...

    These pundits (5.00 / 1) (#253)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:50:30 PM EST
    and the media have been proven irrelevant. No one listens to them anymore.

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    I'll hold my nose (none / 0) (#170)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:27:24 PM EST
    vote for Obama.... but my stae will go Dem in Nov anyhow.

    After he is the nominee... I'll change my efforts to the local Dems up for election.

    Play in Peoria (none / 0) (#185)
    by caseyOR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:32:30 PM EST
    The IL 18 is my hometown district. My entire life it has been held by a repub. If you can get a dem elected to LaHood's seat, you will have my undying respect.

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    There is a woman (none / 0) (#249)
    by PlayInPeoria on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:48:17 PM EST
    running for that seat for the Dem Party. The Repub is a young, up and coming Repub.

    I plan to help Colleen... She reminds me of Hillary.

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    You said it, Jeralyn: (none / 0) (#266)
    by 0 politico on Wed May 14, 2008 at 06:59:28 PM EST
    "It's not about ending the race, not about who would be a better President or who can better beat McCain. "

    Lou Dobbs has been on this tonight (rather incensed) and states clearly that this is a "brokered nomination."  They (the DNC and so-called leadership) are just trying to get this wrapped up before the Rules Committee meeting at the end of the month.  If they don't resolve this is BO's favor, they may have a fight they don't want to deal with.

    So, they are willing to go off the cliff in the deluded name of "party unity."

    Well, whatever respect I had for JE is now out the window, though I felt this coming after all of his TV face time over the weekend and talk warning HC not to damage the party or it potential candidate.

    As for me, it may be time to get off the bus... 8-(

    Comments closed (none / 0) (#267)
    by Jeralyn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:01:15 PM EST
    new thread is here.

    Words Cannot Express (none / 0) (#270)
    by CDN Ctzn on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:29:41 PM EST
    Words cannot fully express how disappointed I am with Edward's decision to back Obama. Apparently he didn't notice that his (Edward's) base was the lower and middle income working class; precisely the same base that is now supporting Hillary and has seen that Obama doesn't seem to care much about their interests.

    Then again, what does that say about the mentality of the average voter that they can be so easily swayed to vote against their own interests merely because someone else endorses another candidate. Only in America!

    BO must have promised the VP to Edwards (none / 0) (#271)
    by Prabhata on Wed May 14, 2008 at 07:41:23 PM EST

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/05/14/edwards_told_aides_he_would_consider_veep_role.html

    You endorse me and I'll endorse you (none / 0) (#272)
    by DeanOR on Wed May 14, 2008 at 08:07:18 PM EST
    I don't think it is a slur against Edwards to say that he did this to get something for himself. He's a politician, and this is what they do. At this stage, especially, they jump on the bandwagon of the person they think will be the winner. I don't know that he's going for an Obama administration position, but it wouldn't be at all surprising. He can look forward to support from Obama and his people for some time to come, in whatever he does next, and that is priceless to a politician if he did in fact pick the winner. I'm not saying he would endorse someone he thought was a horrible person, but personal ambition certainly enters into it. It's the same scenario for all the super-delegates.

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