Final Kentucky Results Thread
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Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:54:44 PM EST

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Clinton 65%, 459,144 votes
Obama 30%, 209,771 votes

That's a whuppin.

BTW, what did the Obama Memo predict for Kentucky? A 10 point loss if I recall.

BTW, do any of you at all doubt me that NBC will be totally in the tank for Obama against McCain? they want to talk about Oregon soooooo baaaad right now. I think Olbermann, Tweety and Russert will work till 2 am tonight so they can sing Obama's praises.

Finally, Horace Greeley is Obama's chance to win in November. Go west young Obama. You can't win NC, VA, WV, FL or Ohio. You CAN and SHOULD win Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado and Nevada. You can win a squeaker that way.


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Final Kentucky Results Thread | 179 comments (179 topical, 0 hidden)
A thumpin' (5.00 / 4)
even.

by joanneleon on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:55:37 PM EST
Trounce, Rout, Dumped On, Thumpin' (5.00 / 4)
pick one!!

Pls Lord let Or be fairly close...

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:23 PM EST
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With 98.4% counted (none / 0)
Clinton 453,706 (65.5%) Obama 207,412 (30.0%)

Clinton nets 246,294 Wow!!

by felizarte on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:51:24 PM EST
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Have they been trashing the voters of KY (none / 0)
like they did the ones of WV, PA, OH?

I just got in...

by Lisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:03:10 PM EST
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Indeed (5.00 / 5)
And as predicted, turnout was almost 85% of Kerry's 2004 total in the state.

by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:55:38 PM EST

From what the media is telling me (5.00 / 3)
It just doesn't matter...

by Dave B on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:55:54 PM EST
Don't Be Fooled (5.00 / 5)
NBC is just building Obama up if/when is is the nominee they can tear him down.

There has never been any doubt in my mind that corporate MSM wanted Obama as the nominee because he would be the weaker opponent.

And now after yesterday when Obama replayed the Dean sin of vowing to (1) breakup the media conglomerates and then (2) install minority ownership in those slots that he will be trashed in the media from the time he (maybe) gets the nomination until November.

Obama gave the Swift Boaters yesterday billions of dollars in free coverage.

by talex on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:47 PM EST
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Either that or they want him because he's the (5.00 / 4)
corporate candidate, a trojan horse sent in to take over the Democratic Party the way they took over the Republican one.

by derridog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:02 PM EST
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Uh-oh (none / 0)
the "breaking up the media" was what did Dean in!!

by abfabdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:08:16 PM EST
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Exactly (none / 0)


by talex on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:20:14 PM EST
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It really is a "whuppin".... (5.00 / 9)
Let's nominate her.

by masslib on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:56:09 PM EST
I love you, masslib! (5.00 / 3)
Always on message!

Let's nominate her! is my mantra now, too.

by magisterludi on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:16:08 PM EST
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Me too. What a great mantra! (5.00 / 1)


by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:21 PM EST
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More than I'd hoped for (5.00 / 9)
35% - it's an a**-kicking.  

I guess Kentucky didn't get the memo that Obama has already won.  Let's hear it for redneck, low-information voters!

by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:58:03 PM EST

Yup (5.00 / 4)
I thought black turnout would be a little better and it would be a 25% win for Hillary.

by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:13 PM EST
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It may be his message of having won (5.00 / 1)
kneecapped his own vote totals tonight; who wants to vote for someone who has already won?

by blogtopus on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:39:17 PM EST
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Time to get out sweetie (5.00 / 2)
BAWAHAHA!! Does it make me a bad person that I'm loving it?

by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:59:01 PM EST
I have to admit- (5.00 / 5)
I've been in a pretty " If you don't have anything nice to say, come sit next to ME" kind of mood lately. Tonight helps, tho.

Anyway, I gave up the news before WV and began began tearing out an old concrete driveway instead. Really cathartic.

by magisterludi on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:33 PM EST
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Awesome (5.00 / 2)
you should see my garden, since I don't watch, listen or read anything but TL.  

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:24:22 PM EST
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Good idea (5.00 / 2)
Anyway, I gave up the news before WV and began began tearing out an old concrete driveway instead. Really cathartic.

We could really get some home repairs done before this election's over! ;-)

by A little night musing on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:26:05 PM EST
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I painted a room (5.00 / 2)
the weekend before PA

by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:29:36 PM EST
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I weeded 300 square feet Sunday (5.00 / 1)
Pulled out every weed. By hand. By the roots. And if the roots didn't come I dug them out.

Talk about cathartic.

My back is killing me.

by echinopsia on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:12:33 PM EST
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Damn good night, still 2 hours (5.00 / 2)
to OR but I don't even care at this point.

by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:03:11 PM EST
Yeah, I don't think I'll stay up (5.00 / 1)
for the OR results.  I'd probably need some latte for that, and I'm not a latte drinker.  

by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:10:17 PM EST
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CNN (5.00 / 1)
is dying to get to OR.  They keep showing the countdown clock.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:16:24 PM EST
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She is winning by more (5.00 / 4)
than 200,000 votes.

Hello, popular vote victory!

Obama is toast in the GE. HRC now has many more possibilities to expand the electoral map than he does.

An amazing turn of events.

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:03:37 PM EST

Have many KY SDs come out? (none / 0)


by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:09 PM EST
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Five KY SD's have come out... (5.00 / 1)
three for HRC, two for Obama.

Four still undecided.

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:15:08 PM EST
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The Obama camp should be panicing at this (5.00 / 6)
point....that NC poll is devastating to them..

by athyrio on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:01 PM EST
what poll? (5.00 / 1)
love to see it..

by dotcommodity on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:00:38 PM EST
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Yes - that may end up being the news of the night (none / 0)


by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:30:49 PM EST
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Wouldn't it be nice if there was (5.00 / 2)
a real news channel to watch?

by Lisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:55:27 PM EST
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Congressional District 5 (5.00 / 10)
Check it out.  Obama's going to get less than 15% in Congressional District 5.  They are going to deem him "unviable".

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:27 PM EST
That's sad (5.00 / 1)


by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:11:01 PM EST
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Not really, No. (5.00 / 4)


by waldenpond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:20:40 PM EST
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If only (5.00 / 6)
he had campaigned there, he could have held it to under 30. The more people get to know him, the more they like him.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:04:49 PM EST

I I hear any more pundits... (5.00 / 3)
I am going to puke.

How much better the analysis was in the old days.

The same old talking heads saying the same old thing, over and over and over, with Matthews simply the worst.

MSNBC is the flip side of Fox.  Progressives should be sick to watch propaganda like that.

Clinton's speech was a good one.  I don't know who should win at this point.  

As usual, the Democrats took a bad thing and made it worse, with some help from the media and the American way of instant gratification and excess.

by citizen53 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:05:57 PM EST

They Should Just Make An Audio Tape Of (none / 0)
their drivel and then they could go home and give the viewers a break...

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:08:57 PM EST
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But BTD, his prediction was before the (5.00 / 1)
e-mail went out (the one I received prior to Christmas).

by Teresa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:05:58 PM EST

Actually (5.00 / 3)
Actually, Obama's just dipped under 30% if you don't round...he's actually at 29.9 and falling.  

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:07:38 PM EST

They are in meltdown mode over at Dkos (5.00 / 5)


by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:08:01 PM EST
They Deserve A Meltdown....Notice How We (5.00 / 6)
don't all run over there to gloat?

Hillary 227,000 votes ahead of obama...this is really gonna help.

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:10:29 PM EST
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especially since she will do OK in Oregon (5.00 / 1)
look at the states Hillary has won, all swing states with significant populations, not red state caucuses

by ChuckieTomato on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:15:08 PM EST
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Even If You Have an IQ Of 75, You Can See (none / 0)
obama is not the most electable candidate.

by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:47:08 AM EST
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I do my gloating (5.00 / 0)
here, where more people appreciate it.

by Nadai on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:21:43 PM EST
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Rise, Hillary, Rise (5.00 / 3)
I so want to go over there and post that. But I won't. I won't give them the traffic and I won't go back after the election.
/ "By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes." Macbeth, Wm. Shakespeare
by themomcat on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:40 PM EST
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What are they doing over there? (5.00 / 2)
Bashing the "Appalachians" whose lives they want to better through their "progressive" politics?

I can't even read that self-righteous, condescending  crap any more....I thank them, though; it was reading at Kos that helped me finally to see Democrats through the eyes of Republicans and I know NOW why working-class whites tend to vote against their economic interests: they're deeply insulted by these snooty jerks.

by kempis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:31 PM EST
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It's funny. I was just thinking the (5.00 / 4)
same thing today.  The basic message Dems give is ''Gosh,it's too bad the people we 'progressives' want to help are so ignorant and backward. They are just too stupid to understand our brilliant and compassionate grasp of the bigger picture. What's the matter with them?!"

Is it any wonder they hate us?

by derridog on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:37:26 PM EST
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I left in 2006 (none / 0)
after being roundly lambasted for supporting Harold Ford.  Who I'll agree is no angel, and far from the ideal Dem candidate...

But come on.  I live in Tennessee.  We just don't have the numbers to elect Massachusetts-style Democrats here.  What am I supposed to do, NOT support my legimately-nominated Dem for a Senate seat - especially when control of the body was 51-49?

I just get tired of busting my ass day after day trying to fight the Republicans on basic issues like, oh, not making abortions illegal for rape victims, or throwing hundreds of thousands of poor people in the street without health care, or why we shouldn't let some vendor with a conflict of interest sell us voting machines without a paper trail.  The LAST thing I need is a whole bunch of grief from latte liberals who want to wale on me, too.  

If they really wanted to help other Dems in this country, they'd get their asses on a bus and come down here to help elect other Dems in Appalachia, not bust on us every chance they get.

I'm so sick of reading morality tales from people sitting on a high horse in some state where it's really, really easy to be a Dem.  Try fighting an uphill battle against really malignant  Republicans for everything, from school board to U.S. Congress, and then come to me with your condescension.

Sorry for the soapbox, all....it's just been that kind of a night ;)

by Eleanor A on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:49:01 PM EST
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What did they expect? (none / 0)


by Maria Garcia on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:41:00 PM EST
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All the pundits keep saying he should have (5.00 / 6)
gone there, should have been on the ground.  I haven't heard any good explanation for why Obama dissed WestVA and KY so bad.  Has anybody heard a reasonable explanation?

by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:08:50 PM EST
Jamal should stop (5.00 / 1)
repeating that.  He should not make that an issue.  

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:10:38 PM EST
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I haven't heard any (5.00 / 3)
... but my guess would be that it was thought that active campaigning in WV and KY would be an acknowledgment that the nomination was not, in fact, already decided and would work against the message they were trying to get out.

by A little night musing on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:58 PM EST
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ah (5.00 / 1)
I guess that does make sense.  I mean, I am not sure it serves him well in the long term.  But if he is afraid this thing is not over that makes sense since he couldn't win there anyway...but he can forget ever getting that vote back now.

by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:29 PM EST
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Interesting (5.00 / 7)
But then what about all the campaigning in Oregon?  What about the big rally with 75,000 people that we heard so much about?

Interesting that he's very interested in campaigning in Oregon, but when it comes to WV and KY, suddenly he's too busy with general election stuff.

by Steve M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:16:33 PM EST
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The Decemberists Played (5.00 / 4)
at the Obama rally.  I don't seem to have seen that reported a lot.  

by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:24:25 PM EST
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Well that band will bring out the hipsters. (none / 0)
No wonder the big turnout!

by abfabdem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:11:35 PM EST
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The interesting thing about that rally (5.00 / 4)
is that it was a free concert with 16 bands. So the crowd may not have been there just to see Obama. A great many of them may have come just for the music. Heh.

by FlaDemFem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:32:04 PM EST
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Really, 16 bands? (none / 0)
A link?

by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:13 PM EST
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There are lots of them, but this one has (none / 0)
links and more info. It was the Decembrists who opened for him, not 16 bands..my mistake quoting another thread here without checking. But the comments on this link are rather amusing.

by FlaDemFem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:48:47 PM EST
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Yep, (none / 0)
they feel exactly how I felt when I first heard about Obama rallies.

Most people are spooked by them.  This guy is going to lose BIG.

by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:11:35 PM EST
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Wow. (none / 0)
I saw them at Bonnaroo, and they were great...and they drew a HUGE crowd.

How dishonest of the media to not report that.  Seriously.

by Eleanor A on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:50:37 PM EST
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I posted on one of the other threads (5.00 / 1)
lost track, but Roland Martin said he didn't campaign in WV & KY because he is the "champion team who has got the berth in the playoffs and is resting to prepare for the big game." pfft. More like the team that walks off the field with 3 minutes to go in the 4th quarter if you ask me, but whatever helps you sleep at night, Roland.

by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:20:44 PM EST
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It shows (5.00 / 3)
he will not do the hard work, the long distance of building the connections for the GE.  He really probably peeved the voters.  

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:13 PM EST
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Roland Martin (5.00 / 2)
isn't helping IMO.  Does the Obama campaign really want the voters of those states to think that the Senator is too tired to come to see them?  Maybe they'll be too tired to talk to him when he comes for the GE.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:45:05 PM EST
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roland is spinning himself. good luck/that! (5.00 / 1)


by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:47:23 PM EST
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Instead Of Resting, He Should Have Gone (none / 0)
to the small towns and rural areas and practiced talking to the people he needs to win in November. He still would not have won but at least he could at least try to improve his approach.

by MO Blue on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:13:04 AM EST
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HA! Actively campaigning would have looked (5.00 / 3)
a h*ll of a lot better than the royal beat down that was just delivered.  That is mind numbingly obtuse. I believe he didn't campaign because he knew it wouldn't make a difference. Now that is some cold hard reality.

by leis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:02 PM EST
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He said because of that e-mail (the Muslim (5.00 / 4)
BS) and Fox news had already reached the people in KY. I got that e-mail from someone I worked with at my old job back in December (and I blocked her e-mails since then).

I guess he's just using the MI excuse here: I didn't contest it (even though he did spend a lot more on advertising than she did).

by Teresa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:15:21 PM EST
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Gosh (5.00 / 12)
If an email and some negative coverage from Fox News can result in a 35-point loss in a Democratic primary, that's not the greatest argument for his electability in November.

by Steve M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:17:20 PM EST
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Now now... (5.00 / 2)
we all know that Obama won't get any negative press if he's selected as the nominee! He is a Media Darling!

/snark

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:27:14 PM EST
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He outspent her and had more staff (5.00 / 5)
in WV and KY.  He stayed away so he could claim that if he had been here he would have done better.  In other words, just more haka.

by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:26:32 PM EST
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Is no one mentioning that (5.00 / 2)
great Edwards boost in Kentucky?  Maybe he saved Obama from a 50% defeat!

by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:33:44 PM EST
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I think he honestly believes (5.00 / 2)
the crap that Donna was spouting. They believe they can create some new, elite coalition.

by cawaltz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:17 PM EST
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How can this be bad for Dems (5.00 / 5)
We get 100% of the airwaves. Our message is being repeated by two candidates.  If not for the pundits, it could be informative.

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:09:30 PM EST

Eastern Kentucky (5.00 / 7)
Floyd County
Hillary 92%
Obama 5%

Pike County
Hillary 91%
Obama 7%

Breathitt County
Hillary 90%
Obama 7%

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:10:07 PM EST

Dave...do you (5.00 / 1)
think we live in the wrong demogrpahic?  ...Ha..ha.

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:11:41 PM EST
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You in SF too? (none / 0)
I'm just another 30something wine-track creative class white male Bay Area professional for Hillary

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:15:35 PM EST
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Berkeley (5.00 / 1)
the house with two Hillary signs.  Yep...!! and I got the two under 25 year olds that are for Hillary.  

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:17:42 PM EST
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SF (5.00 / 2)
I have to keep my mouth shut. Most of my work pals are for O.
I live in Noe Valley. Not too many signs for either here.

by sarahfdavis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:26:41 PM EST
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Hehe...Noe is (none / 0)
Obama territory.  Yikes.

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:55:10 PM EST
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Noe Valley (none / 0)
I'm in Noe Valley too.  House on the corner of Church and 23rd St has several Hillary signs.  I'm thinking of leaving them a note and telling them how happy I am that they have those up.

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:13:42 PM EST
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Well as a "wine track" Appalachian (5.00 / 2)
...I welcome all of you. :) I've got roots in E.TN and E.KY. Did I mention I'm a generational Appalachian of many ethnicities (races but I don't believe in race as a concept), a youth voter, and an university lecturer?

by tnjen on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:38:41 PM EST
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Ditto for me, (5.00 / 2)
but I'm in NYC. It just doesn't make any sense. I must be low-information -- that must be it.

by Iphie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:24:59 PM EST
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I Want To Feel Sorry For obama....BUT I CAN'T (5.00 / 9)
BLANCHE...I CAN'T!!

Wolf Blitzer...this was a crushing defeat for obama.

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:12 PM EST
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Wolf actually said that? (5.00 / 2)
I'm shocked!  

by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:24 PM EST
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Yeah but (5.00 / 4)
He and John King went on to set up Obama's "not-openly-a-victory speech" by pointing out that Obama gets two delegates out of Kentucky--and those two give him the "magic number."

Isn't that perfect? He gets to his "magic number" not out of a "crushing" victory of his own in Oregon, but out of two delegates from a race in which Hillary and Kentuckians handed him his fanny by at least 35 points.

I think this is symbolic--in a not good way for anyone who would really prefer a Democratic victory in November.

The wheels are off the Obamamobile and the media keep talking about how pretty it is.

by kempis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:34:40 PM EST
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Just Saw 77% in KY Would Vote Clinton (none / 0)
16% would vote McCain, 5% would stay home...what does that tell us?

by PssttCmere08 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 02:44:02 AM EST
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David Gergon on CNN questioned now (5.00 / 0)
why Obama was going to speak in Iowa after this crushing defeat in KY. Seemed kind of silly to him. Donna B. said he wanted to thank them in Iowa and to set down some roots for the GE. Sounded lame to me..David Gergon just shook his head.

by zfran on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:17:13 PM EST
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can't they just close the door on (5.00 / 1)
brazile. she is such an embarrassment to the network, the party and herself.

by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:49:58 PM EST
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If I Were An Oregon Voter, I Would (5.00 / 0)
prefer that he stayed and gave a victory speech in Oregon.

Just me I guess.

by MO Blue on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:17:39 AM EST
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Wow (5.00 / 5)
just wow.  

Of course, the pundits will say that those folks are racist, but they never seem to question the 90-10 AA Obama vote.

by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:25 PM EST
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That's because those pundits aren't dumb (none / 0)
enough to think that those AA's are motivated by hate or an unwillingness to vote for a white candidate. In fact, AA's have given that same 80-90% percentile to white candidates. I suspect they gave that to Clinton in her senate campaigns.

Figures you wouldn't see the distinction. Those pundits do recognize the distinction, that's why they won't make fools of themselves arguing moral equivalency. But I hope you will at least concede that the white racist vote for Hillary more than offsets the AA vote for Obama.


by Seth90212 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:50:25 PM EST
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No way (5.00 / 6)
I certainly will not concede that there are more white racists in the Democratic Party than there are African-Americans.  That strikes me as quite the bold assertion.

by Steve M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:01:39 PM EST
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Not only are there vastly more white racists (1.00 / 2)
than AA's in the Democratic electorate, there also more women voting strictly on gender than there are AA's. Obama has prevailed despite these massive disadvantages.

by Seth90212 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:57:20 PM EST
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Well, there are vastly more lettuce-eaters (5.00 / 1)
than arugula-eaters in the Democratic electorate, but more arugula-eaters are voting strictly on vegetable preference than lettuce-eaters. Clinton has prevailed despite these massive disadvantages.

by Evie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:35:41 PM EST
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Okay (none / 0)
You seem to enjoy making assertions without evidence, and ignoring the side of the equation that favors your own candidate, so I'll just leave you to your self-created reality.

by Steve M on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:05:24 PM EST
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I will concede that there has been a smaller male (none / 0)
gender vote for Obama. And I do not begrudge the female gender vote for Hillary. It's a perfectly legitimate vote, even if she gets 90% of women.

by Seth90212 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:18:20 PM EST
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Excuse me?! (5.00 / 4)
No. I won't concede that.

If Obama is the nominee, this kind of rhetoric absolutely will sink him in the general. It amazes me that so many of his supporters can't see that.

by otherlisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:03:25 PM EST
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Today a full 30% of the white electorate (1.00 / 2)
said they voted for Hillary or against Obama based on race. Now these were the people willing to admit it. Maybe it's more like 40% or 50% in states like KY and W.VA. Certainly the racist vote isn't this high in most states. But there is a certain percentage in every contest which often times overwhelms Obama's AA vote. PA and OH are examples. Cumulatively, I believe white racist voters have outnumbered AA's in this election.

by Seth90212 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:05:11 PM EST
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Well If 30% Of White Dems Are Racists, (none / 0)
Obama can not win in November.

by MO Blue on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:21:22 AM EST
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In KY he has no shot, that is true (none / 0)
I did not extrapolate that to every state. He obviously won the white vote in OR.

by Seth90212 on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:58:57 AM EST
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Maybe the distinction (none / 0)
is that those people aren't dumb enough to give the presidency to someone who doesn't have enough experience.

White collar workers are pragmatists.  They don't respond well to dreamers.

by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM EST
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let's see a white vote is racist and an (none / 0)
aa vote is just business as usual. you somehow forgot to factor in why the aa vote left hillary for obama. yeah, right! aa's just naturally vote for dems. sorry but you dissed both groups. that is real feat of sorts.

by hellothere on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:52:34 PM EST
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Important counties, too. (5.00 / 5)
Those are traditionally Democratic counties in national politics.  Floyd, Pike, and Breathitt all voted for Kerry in 2004, when Bush beat Kerry by 20 points in Kentucky.  It's weird, KY-05 has some of the strongest Democratic counties in the state and some of the strongest Republican counties in the state - the difference, I suppose, between the unionized coalfields the less unionized mountain counties?  I'm not sure; I'm not as familiar with Kentucky history.

by liminal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:24 PM EST
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It can depend (5.00 / 1)
on the age of the voters.  Middle TN has some of the strongest Dem/Rep counties in the state also; the difference is that the GOP counties are often exurbs of larger cities, the Dem counties are full of older folks who are the remnants of the pre-LBJ "yellow dog" coalition.

by Eleanor A on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:55:59 PM EST
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And BTD: (5.00 / 6)
You can win a squeaker that way.
We need another mocking post from you on "expanding the map." It is perfectly clear to me now that Only Hillary can meaningfully expand the map. Even if Obama wins Nebraska, he's still fu*ked if he loses across the east.

by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:48 PM EST
And John King (5.00 / 5)
now says that Obama's winning states will include. . .Georgia!

The kool aid has gone sour, methinks.

by andgarden on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:27 PM EST
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Balked (5.00 / 3)
at giving him MO, though.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:20:18 PM EST
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As Well He Should (none / 0)
MO conservative Dems will not vote for Obama. Can't win the state without both strong AA support and conservative Dems.

BTW Ras poll 5/6 McCain 53% Obama 39%

by MO Blue on Wed May 21, 2008 at 12:25:59 AM EST
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What???? Georgia? (5.00 / 1)
The Kool-Aid is now made by Merry Pranksters.....

by kempis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:36:27 PM EST
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Georgia??? Theyare off the deep end now. (5.00 / 3)
I am in a graduate program in Georgia and (though anecdotal) have not met a person who is considering voting Obama- on a college campus!!! He will not win a Southern state; will lose Wis and Co. And will probably lose Iowa as well. Mccain will even make Mass and NJ tough for Obama. WHERE IS THE RATIONALE FOR SUPPORTING THIS MAN???

by kenosharick on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:51:04 PM EST
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OMG, what a joke! Georgia. haha (none / 0)


by RalphB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:50:03 PM EST
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Yay! (5.00 / 5)
Let's nominate the guy who might just be able to squeak by instead of the woman who can win a huge and decisive victory!!!!

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:51 PM EST
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Very true. (5.00 / 1)
His demographics show a loss in PA and MI and there aren't enough ev's in the west to make up for those.

by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:49 PM EST
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Iowa - wrong argument for Obama (5.00 / 3)
I just flipped to msnbc and heard Keith Oberman telling how great it was for Obama to go in Iowa to tell people that IT too is a WHITE demographics that spurred his candidacy... Iowa is the right place for him to remind people that he is still loved by white voters... I think that is pretty bad argument... since it AGAIN focuses attention on white voter and that IS Hillary's argument.. He has LOST the  majority of white voter support that he enjoined in the beginning of his camp..

by TalkRight on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:12:54 PM EST
IA was (5.00 / 1)
pre Wright too.

by Ga6thDem on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:32:53 PM EST
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Nothing new (5.00 / 1)
after his "decisive Iowa victory" (which I recall was actually better described as almost a 3-way tie) he said something to the effect that he "knew Iowa voters would not be swayed by race" which I read as "y'all aren't racist in Iowa."

by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:43:55 PM EST
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I Agree Olbermann Is in the Tank for Obama (5.00 / 2)
even against McCain.  Tweety, however, loves McCain.  He may be fairer to Obama than another Dem, but he's not going to be in the tank for him.

by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:13:38 PM EST
Maybe Olbermann will stay true (5.00 / 3)
to his love Obama...but the rest of the NBC pundits will be all McCain, all the time.

Sorry. Na ga hapin that the corporate media will back a Dem.

McCain will cut their taxes, ya know.

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:17:46 PM EST
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14 pts and MSNBC lowest ratings (5.00 / 1)
I have to look at network news, but MSNBC is the lowest rated of the three always (I imagine dry humping a candidates leg will turn off certain viewers)

by waldenpond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:14 PM EST

KY CD-5: Obama gets 0 delegates (5.00 / 9)
according to USA Today because he is below the 15% threshhold.

by Dan the Man on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:20 PM EST
Oh. My. God. (5.00 / 3)


by Kathy on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:17:28 PM EST
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Will that change CNN's (none / 0)
tentative delegate count for the night? Are they even reporting it?

by americanincanada on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:44:17 PM EST
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CNN Just Said obama Got 2 SD's From KY (5.00 / 1)
I wonder which two dimbulbs they are.

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:30 PM EST
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He had them before (5.00 / 2)
unless they were two of the remaining uncommitted ones.

Which I highly doubt.

by madamab on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:25:26 PM EST
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The Obama camp (5.00 / 4)
is wishing there were some other news happening between right now and 8 pm Pacific.

Ted Kennedy's tragedy.  Their own fundraising.  Some crazy thing McCain said.  Chinese earthquake.

Anything but the smiling Clinton family pictured above a screen crawl that says she just beat him by 200,000 + votes again.

I've never seen anything like this last 6 months, ever.

I do have one thing to say to all you Obama lurkers here:  if I do vote for him it will be because he managed to make the case to me, and because he asked for my vote.

I'd like to say that you could try to make the case for him, but unfortunately it became necessary in January to just stop listening to Obama supporters.  Their special combination of intensity, obliviousness, and hostility was starting to become a very serious argument against their candidate.

So ~~ have a good time waiting for the Oregon results.  America is looking at Hillary with yet another blowout of the Presumed Nominee behind her.

by hitchhiker on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:29 PM EST

His mantra right now is he has 1627 delegates... (5.00 / 2)
according to his figures, the majority, which to my mind doesn't mean a damn thing....convention here we come.

by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:45 PM EST
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Exactly (5.00 / 4)
I hope the superdelegates realize the game Obama is playing.  They're trying to run out the clock before people realize he has serious problems.  The question is, if they know about these weaknesses, why is he still in the race??

by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:30:03 PM EST
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Scratch that - I mean *delegates* (none / 0)


by Iris on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:30:42 PM EST
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John King is (5.00 / 11)
finally showing Hillary's huge lead in electoral college.

by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:16:37 PM EST
I thought that was great. (5.00 / 1)


by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:18:47 PM EST
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Is Brazile still around? (5.00 / 1)
Good for John King.

Speak the truth, John!!!

by bridget on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:54 PM EST
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Russert (5.00 / 1)
Matthews took a break from Hiilary-hatin' to play devil's advocate and make that same electoral college argument to Russert in regards to Ohio and Pennsylvania.  Russert countered that Obama does better in Minnesota and Wisconsin.  Good grief.  

by Decal on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:03 PM EST
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Russert has really established himself (none / 0)
as a maroon during these primaries. Why does that man get any respect? He's really not that bright, is he?

by kempis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:36 PM EST
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Although (none / 0)
wasn't he giving the go west Obama argument while giving OH to Obama? Or did I mishear?

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:42 PM EST
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WTF (5.00 / 1)
NOw Wolf Blitzer says Obama has the pledge majority he wanted???

by bjorn on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:18:37 PM EST
Mathematical majority (5.00 / 6)
of an idiotic system= Dem loss

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:46 PM EST
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1627 (5.00 / 4)
The media is happy now.  They can tell the 1627 pledged delegate story now instead of having to report on the thumping Obama just took.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:19:00 PM EST

CNN (5.00 / 4)
Just called 1627 delegates  for Obama a "moral threshold"
How gross....

by suisser on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:21:03 PM EST

Aaah! (5.00 / 2)
Fox is covering Obama's ignorance of the Hanford site.  Hee hee!

by stillife on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:05 PM EST

I just dropped another $500 in the pot for Hillary (5.00 / 8)
Yes, I've had too much wine, but baby I am celebrating!  

by Angel on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:11 PM EST
You're good! (5.00 / 1)
I'm trying to figure out how much I can send her way tonight.

by Iphie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:31:35 PM EST
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Honey, I'm broke but I'm going in all the way for (none / 0)
Hillary! That's what credit cards are for!

by Angel on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:50:17 PM EST
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Tonight Obama against McCain. (5.00 / 2)
But when the nomination is settled, I'll bet MSNBC/NBC/CNBC starts pumping up McCain bit time.

by inclusiveheart on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:22:54 PM EST
Agree. This is about Hillary hate, (none / 0)
not Obama love. That's why I disagree with BTD on his "media darling" theory.

by chancellor on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:00:53 PM EST
Parent
Actually it is about Democratic hate, (5.00 / 1)
not Hillary.  It is a consistent pattern.  People in Obama's camp who are fooling themselves into believing that the media will be nicer to Obama are fooling themselves.  People who think that Obama will have an easier time of it because he is NOT Hillary Clinton are really fooling themselves.

Does anyone think that it is simply kismet that CNN and other news outlets have been contracting the most disgusting and discredited Republican pundits?  I mean seriously.  They are all just gearing up for McCain.  They will claim that they are trying to be "fair and balanced", but those of us who have been paying attention for approximately ten (or maybe more) years will know what they are really up to.  We will also know that the Democrat's only hope in combatting them will come from making clear distinctions with their opponent - not from lovely talk about being best friends for life.

by inclusiveheart on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:22:39 PM EST
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Turnout (5.00 / 11)
WIth 97% in, we have 655000 voters in Kentucky, representing 91.8% of the 2004 Kerry vote.  While this will end up a bit down from the peak we had in Indiana (114% turnout), it's still surpasses all other states except Texas, North Carolina and West Virginia.  Funny that 2 of the top 5 states with regards to voter turnout were AFTER the media decided the race was over.

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:13 PM EST
Voters saying to the media (5.00 / 5)
"We'll decide for ourselves when this is over, thank you very much!"

by A little night musing on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:29:04 PM EST
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May have spoken too soon... (5.00 / 1)
We're up to 96.4% turnout now (calculated vs. Kerry vote).  We might hit 100% and an outside shot of passing Texas (101.2%)

by DaveOinSF on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:34:01 PM EST
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Keep in mind KY=closed primary (5.00 / 2)
Unlike TX.  Amazing!!!

by davnee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:39:35 PM EST
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240,000 Votes Ahead.... (5.00 / 2)


by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:28:36 PM EST

I dare to doubt you. (5.00 / 5)
The Media hate The Clintons. (That, again, is NOT news.)

The Media lo-o-ove Obama ... and it's not the shy, sidelong glances kindo love, neither.

But remember this: The Media love The McCain. They have always loved McCain, and they likely always will.

And this would come as a shock to Obama (if nominated) since he's been running downhill all the way so far, with the wind at his back, with the ref's on his side, and he still thinks they're being too tough on him.

by RonK Seattle on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:32:35 PM EST


Ed Rendell on Fox (5.00 / 3)
Rendell: in the last three months Clinton won 7 of 10, blowouts, tonight 250k, she's most electable and that's what convention is about, she'll be ahead in the popular vote, go through Puerto Rico, best to win, best ideas, connecting, etc.

How do you get people to come together?

Rendell: they come together by necessity.... women come up to me and say I can't vote for Obama.  I tell them yes you can, supreme court.  There are supreme court justices to be appointed and you don't want McCain appointing supreme court justices.  Ha! Ha! Ha!

OK, ladies, sit down, shut-up and get in to line and march to the ballot box like good little 'sweeties'

by waldenpond on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:39:25 PM EST

Aint gonna happen (5.00 / 2)
Thy ain't going to scare me into voting for Obama. THAT is another trick right out of the GOP playbook.

by cawaltz on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:43:20 PM EST
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this typical bitter sweetie ain't buying it, Ed (none / 0)
Dream on, hon.

by Lisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:59:40 PM EST
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That "supremes" song is boring now. (none / 0)
If, if, if . . . Sen. Obama is the nominee and--
If, if, if . . . Saint John the Righteous wins--

A senator named Clinton will be on the floor to stop, stop, stop any of the idiotic McBu$h efforts to appoint certain types of activists to the court.

That refrain is worn out.

by wurman on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:09:55 PM EST
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Excellent comeback (none / 0)
We'll just tell them Hillary will be right there in the Senate looking after us...

by Lisa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:12:56 PM EST
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That's (none / 0)
not actually a bad public message.  Yes, he's saying "Support the Dem nominee" but he's a known Hillary supporter; he has to say that.  But at the same time, he's getting out the word that Dem women are threatening not to vote Obama and feel strongly enough about it to buttonhole the Governor of PA.  The more major voices we can get saying that, the better for Hillary, I think.

by Nadai on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:34:03 PM EST
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Again, the problem with a go West (5.00 / 3)
argument is that John McCain is from the West. Obama should win New Mexico (though he ties there in SUSA) he has a very good chance at Iowa (though his numbers are sagging there as well). I don't know about Nevada (he isn't winning it in current polls) and I doubt he will win Colorado.

by tigercourse on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:42:31 PM EST

McCain loves the MSM (5.00 / 1)
McCain will actually talk to the media. They will always love him for that.  They will forgive his ms-steps because he gives them so much more to work with. And he loves them too.  

The MSM looks at McCain and sees a 4 year bus ride and BBQs with their best buddy. McCain looks at the MSM and sees his most loyal constituency.

Obama doesn't like the press, and won't go near them unless he is forced.  They like him now because they hate Hillary, that is all there is to that.

by ruffian on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:42:53 PM EST


Obama (5.00 / 4)
to speak in IA and per Suzanne Malveaux, will talk about Hillary's integrity and character.  In a positive way.  In case you were confused given past history. :-)

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:48:18 PM EST
So what? (none / 0)
He's going to give her a eulogy of sorts?

KO just said Obama will be claiming victory in OA based on what happened in KY.

Yes..he actually said that.

by americanincanada on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:59:14 PM EST
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does that qualify as insanity? (none / 0)
Take him away in a straight jacket.

by diplomatic on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:01:07 PM EST
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Please, please, please (5.00 / 1)
let her close the gap in Oregon.  The damn pundits are predicting this and that. Her speech was wonderfully classy.  I'm so happy right now!  

I was definitely shocked of the huge margin she received in KY. I'm in Lexington and over the past week, I'd started to see all the Obama signs.

Woohoo, Hillary!

by adcatlett on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:09:37 PM EST

Amen (none / 0)
I'm happy to see that 250,000 vote margin but worry about how much of that will be perceived as being cancelled out by Obama's Oregon win.

He's going to do very well there, but I'll be surprised if it's by more than 15-17%.

Fingers crossed.

by kempis on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:12:30 PM EST
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NPR (5.00 / 2)
Caught a brief snippet on NPR and went ballistic. I was driving so I had to turn the radio off.

WV and Kentucky "seem to be resisting Obama".

No Hillary won those states in spite of the fact she's behind in the delegate count... noooo... the voters there weren't voting for her, they were "resisting Obama".

Sheesh.

by nellre on Tue May 20, 2008 at 10:10:45 PM EST

Oborgma, resistence is futile. (none / 0)
Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

by Radix on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:16:25 PM EST
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Whuppin and thumpin (none / 0)
which is bigger?

by Stellaaa on Tue May 20, 2008 at 08:58:37 PM EST
Depends... (5.00 / 1)
are ya givin' or receivin'?

by oldpro on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:00:03 PM EST
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Whuppin', thumpin' tomato tomahto (5.00 / 1)
Let's call this what it is: she murdered 'im.

by angie on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:00:07 PM EST
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A Whumping Would Be The Biggest... :) (5.00 / 1)


by PssttCmere08 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:06:11 PM EST
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Obama Predicted (none / 0)
56-42.  

by BDB on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:07:10 PM EST

NBC (none / 0)
I'm still not convinced they will stay true to Obama in the GE. I have great faith in the ability of the media to make hypocrites of themselves and turn on a dime.

However, it might be a conscious agenda as they strive to be the 'anti-Fox'.

by chrisvee on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:14:47 PM EST

They (none / 0)
attack whoever they hate. Right now the only race is between Clinton and Obama.

In the GE no matter who the nominee NBC will follow the rest of the media to their everlasting love: John McCain.

by cal1942 on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:41:20 PM EST
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I noticed 16 000 uncommitted votes (none / 0)
what does that mean? NOthing?

Why would people vote uncommitted at this point?

by bridget on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:18:12 PM EST


Why did they give him the 2? (none / 0)
Where did they come from and why did they award them to him?  Did anyone hear that explanation?

by badu on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:23:53 PM EST

So...has CNN (none / 0)
taken CD 5 into account in their delegate math? Obama only got 9% of the vote there. Does that include the entire district?

by americanincanada on Tue May 20, 2008 at 09:40:23 PM EST

Only 2 counties for Obama. (none / 0)
I'm sure there's a positive in there some where, can't wait till the Obama folks explain it to me.

Because there are no facts, there is no truth, Just data to be manipulated

Don Henley-The Garden of Allah

by Radix on Tue May 20, 2008 at 11:10:40 PM EST


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