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Who's going to watch Recount tomorrow night?

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    • Overnight Open Thread | 194 comments (194 topical)
    I'm watching tomorrow. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:01:58 PM EST
    Never thought things could get so bad again.

    Kinda like watching a train wreck, (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:03:15 PM EST
    huh...just can't take your eyes off it.

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    I was glued to the t.v. during (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:06:10 PM EST
    2000. Cried when Gore gave his concession speech. Great, great speech. I think altho' it was a travesty, Gore went on to so much better.

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    Unlike so many (none / 0) (#8)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:10:16 PM EST
    of the rest of us.

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    I was mesmerized/horrified by the real thing (none / 0) (#180)
    by andrys on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:14:26 AM EST
    and I'll never forget
    "I'm with the Bush-Cheney team, and I'm here to stop the count."

    Those were the words John Bolton yelled as he burst into a Tallahassee library on Saturday, Dec. 9, 2000, where local election workers were recounting ballots cast in Florida's disputed presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore.

      I sort of chronicled this at the time, and some interesting articles remain at the Florida Butterfly Ballot page.  Some general, highly-detailed articles linked near the top are still available and very interesting if anyone's intrigued after seeing the movie.

      Also near the top is a photo of the confusing ballot that caused thousands of voters from a Jewish community to wind up voting for Pat Buchanan.  You can click to enlarge the photo.

      And, linked below that is a flash-presentation of what it was like to try to figure out where to punch the right circle, from the viewpoint of someone standing at the voting booth.  You click to turn the ballot page and then click on what you think will chose Gore.  Click on 'DONE' to finish.

      The bungling of that ballot alone more than counted for the 500+ votes that Gore lost by in Florida.  About 19,200 ballots were thrown out due to double punching etc.


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    I'm going to watch (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by andgarden on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:11:57 PM EST
    and be as catty as possible. Mostly because I'm bitter about the actual event.

    Obama (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:35:51 PM EST
    forgot that group in his bitter comment.  All those pesky Floridians and Democrats who were bitter about the 2000 election.

    They cling to their ideals of having Florida count.  NOT ME says Obama NOT ME!

    No counting of FL!

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    LOL (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Step Beyond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:38:36 PM EST
    Although his current position is seating the delegates based on them is ok, but you can't count the popular vote from Florida. Apparently they are magical delegates chosen by elves.

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    good article (none / 0) (#191)
    by Josey on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:26:45 AM EST
    Barack Obama and the Unmaking of the Democratic Party -

    Saul Wilentz - HuffPo - May 23, 08
    http://tinyurl.com/57fhft


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    This is just so appalling and distastful (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:39:34 PM EST
    and disgusting. One vote, one person. Maybe we ought to be using the ink on the finger (like Iraqians)to show we have voted, then count the fingers!!!

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    This one's too easy (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:56:34 PM EST
    disappearing ink???

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    That Reminds Me of Typical Maxwell Smart!! (5.00 / 0) (#72)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:58:36 PM EST


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    Uhoh - Obama claims Clinton 'stirring up' FL issue (5.00 / 0) (#109)
    by Eleanor A on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:28:55 AM EST
    Linky to Yahoo story

    "The Clinton campaign has been stirring this up for fairly transparent reasons," Obama told reporters on the plane from San Juan, Puerto Rico, to Chicago, adding she had not done so earlier in the race when she did not need the delegates to win.

    "Let's not ... pretend that we don't know what's going on. I mean this is, from their perspective, their last slender hope to make arguments about how they can win, and I understand that," Obama said.

    Oops.  Was that the sound of a herd of Unity Ponies running over a cliff?

    Or about a hundred thousand people with picket signs stampeding toward Denver, for arrival August 23?

    (I'm hoping it's the latter.  And I'll be one of 'em.)

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    he's also saying patronizing things (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by Lisa on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:46:17 AM EST
    about Hillary over her innocent RFK reference

    I truly cannot stand this guy...

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:31:03 AM EST
    and there's starting to be a huge backlash against him.

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    " You're non-homicidal enough, Hillary." (none / 0) (#179)
    by marklar on Sun May 25, 2008 at 04:53:49 AM EST
    Another opportunity to prove how he can lead and unite and that he has no hand in or desire to profit from such dangerous hysteria...not.

    Or, like SC another opportunity for arogant condescension like "her comments were ill-advised".  Donna Brazile is depressed I'm guessing.  

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    He must have missed her earlier comments (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by nycstray on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:51:24 AM EST
    on getting the votes counted. Including the ones from FL on election night.

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    Of course, (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:33:16 AM EST
    once again absolutely no concern for the voters or their votes. Can he say anything without being condescending? I don't think so.

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    Ferraro (5.00 / 5) (#84)
    by adcatlett on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:06:29 AM EST
    sorry I'm piggy backing.  I thought I would post this here from a commentor on ABCNEWS.  NJMOM wrote this in reference to sexism and the Ferraro article:

    You know, it's columns such as this one that only serve to further solidify my resolve to never vote for Obama. I have been a loyal member of the Democratic Party for the last 32 years, I have held my nose more times than I can count to vote for the democratic nominee; no more. I have had enough and it's time to take a stand. I find it despicable that once again women are being brushed aside, called all sorts of names and treated as children. Unbelievable that it's coming from the members of my own former party. Using Roe v. Wade as a blackmailing device to get our votes is disgusting and ridiculous. Look at some of Obama's biggest supporters, look at his good buddy Casey from PA. No, that supposed threat exists with an Obama presidency as well. Perhaps more so, who knows? We obviously know very little about this candidate, his views, his background, his experience.
    It is time for women to walk away from this abusive relationship with the democratic party, it is time women took a stand for their daughters, for their grandaughters, for their mothers and sisters and for themselves! This is way bigger than a primary, a single candidate or even the general election. The democratic party has awoken a sleeping giant this primary season and boys and girls, she is really pissed off!


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    I can think of any no. of regular (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:12:24 AM EST
    commenters here who could have written that.

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    I'll get my gun(s) and do mah prayin' (and (none / 0) (#15)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:13:28 PM EST
    I like the being catty, too)

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    Puerto Rico (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by zebedee on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:17:16 PM EST
    I see the campaign has begun to discount the Puerto Rico primary so if Hillary wins the popular vote PR shouldn't be included because they can't vote in GE.
    Despite the fact that they have been apportioned 55  delegates vote.

    I would just point out that:
    Probability of Democrats getting any electoral votes in November from PR = 0
    Probability of Democrats getting any electoral votes in November from Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska, Utah combined  = 0 (all of the above were won by over 30% margin by Bush). So let's also remove their delegates and popular votes from the calculations.

    I wouldn't count on that dog hunting...we all (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:25:26 PM EST
    know how the PR elections go; and those who would like to try to fool the public, won't be able to.

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    If they don't count the vote, (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:39:45 PM EST
    then, who, exactly are the delegates representing?

    I am so sick of them treating this like a game. If he thought he was going to win, you can bet those votes wouldn't be in question.

    Have they ever been left out in previous primaries?

    I find it difficult to believe that Kerry, Kennedy, Dodd, Edwards, Byrd, etc. can possibly be blind to the manipulations.

    The only thing that could be keeping those Democrats from standing on principle is they are somehow part of the manipulation plan.
     

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    blind? they are in on it (5.00 / 1) (#144)
    by Lisa on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:51:15 AM EST
    they know exactly what they are doing

    http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-american-disenfranchisement.html

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    Immaterial (1.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Spike on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:05:58 AM EST
    The popular vote in Puerto Rico is immaterial. Delegates count. Popular vote is only a talking point to persuade superdelegates to support one candidate over the other. The size of the popular vote in a territory without electoral votes is a weak talking point. I doubt that any superdelegates will determine their ultimate vote based on that outcome.

    To clarify, the possibility of getting Democratic electoral votes out of Puerto Rico is zero. The probability of getting Democratic electoral votes out of Idaho, Wyoming, Nebraska and Utah is low. But just as importantly, in those four states we have the opportunity to support down ballot races for the state legislature and the US Congress. A candidate who can maximize turnout in those states is important to the party even if electoral votes are elusive.

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    Both are relevant... (5.00 / 0) (#94)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:14:53 AM EST
    as are tarot cards, the magic 8 ball on my bookcase, and a few other determining factors.

    Just because you, and several of your talking point buddies, have decided that "pop vote doesn't count"...that doesn't make it so.

    You and I know that SDs and others are looking at any number of different arguments including pop vote, the electoral map, delegate counts, and the magic 8 ball on my bookcase.

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    There are some people who still believe (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by Valhalla on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:14:14 AM EST
    that democracy is about the will of the people.  The primary delegates and the electoral college are just the tools we (unfortunately) settled on to relect the will, they're not the principle itself.

    (Personally it just tickles me no end that PR might put Hillary over the top, go PR!)

    PR's President is the the POTUS, why shouldn't they get a say?

    But part of the reason the anti-PR talking point is silly is because it's just the timing in this particular primary that allows people to think it's a valid argument.  If PR had voted in March, and say, Montana put her over the top, would anyone, even His Hopeness, seriously argue that they should go back and take PR's votes out of the count?  Seriously?

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    Bravo (none / 0) (#197)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:36:44 AM EST
    You hit the nail smack on the head: "The primary delegates and the electoral college are just the tools we (unfortunately) settled on to relect the will, they're not the principle itself."

    IOW, this is not a board game.


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    The Size Of The Puerto Rican Vote Inside (5.00 / 1) (#193)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:46:50 AM EST
    of the U.S. is significant enough not to want to diss their family and friends in PR.

    Just how many demographic groups do you really want to antagonize between now and November? This whole discussion of how Puerto Rico does not count is harmful to the party. I just can't understand why Obama supporters feel it is beneficial to tell various groups that they have no value to the Democratic Party.

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    that's your opinion (none / 0) (#98)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:19:41 AM EST
    we disagree, please don't state it as fact.

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    You have to ask Jeralyn (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by andgarden on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:31:15 PM EST


    Not that important (none / 0) (#42)
    by Step Beyond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:35:28 PM EST
    I'm not a good or prolific writer so it's not important enough to get special permission. Thanks though!

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    That's (none / 0) (#45)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:38:06 PM EST
    why I have my own blog.  I would rather be able to have my ideas just flow without being edited.  Besides, the things I really like to express would not be fit for consumption on Talk Left.

    I would be taken out to the woodshed by Jeralyn and be suspened forever!  LOL!

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    I will. (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by janarchy on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:43:15 PM EST
    I've been looking forward to it for months. Now it's just too funny that it's showing when it is. Talk about serendipity.

    Color me 'bitter': (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:11:59 AM EST
    I know it's a sore point, but I still want to know where BTD got the info for his first post (at 4pm EST, on 5/23) about Hillary's RFK remarks. He had reached a a decidedly negative perspective, and was calling for an apology from Clinton, right from the git go. But he didn't reference any source; nothing but a link to the TPM video on YouTube.

    I'm flummoxed by how he reached those conclusions based on just the video itself. There's got to be a back story.

    BTD? Anybody?

    *Bitter-sweet Drink Recipe: 1oz Tequila; 1oz fresh squeezed lime juice, 4oz soda water, over ice. Sounds 'bitter', but something about lime makes Tequila taste sweeter. It's a drink and a metaphor.

    The whole thing was a manufactured controversy (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by ChuckieTomato on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:20:45 AM EST


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    yes, and we've (none / 0) (#108)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:27:17 AM EST
    finished discussing the non-story.

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    That hurts my feelings. (none / 0) (#139)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:49:18 AM EST


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    I've been trying to think of a suitable (none / 0) (#163)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:44:36 AM EST
    comment to sooth your hurt feelings, but, haven't managed yet.  I'll keep thinking!

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    if you add some (none / 0) (#107)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:26:41 AM EST
    fresh mint and a little more lime juice, you will have a tequila mojito.

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    mulling the mint is hard work, but you get a (none / 0) (#124)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:39:39 AM EST
    mighty tasty drink

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    Oh honey, you've had a few if you (none / 0) (#160)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:30:00 AM EST
    think "mulling mint is hard work". In Cuba they used that lemon concentrate stuff instead of fresh lemons to make Mojitos. I figured it was because growing lemons (a fairly non-edible fruit) would be a waste of resources.

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    Or a caipirinha (none / 0) (#126)
    by Eleanor A on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:40:49 AM EST
    Mash up a lime with a WHOLE lot of sugar, add cachaça over ice.  My husband makes a great one.  Mmmm.

    (Would be drinking one now but mashed up my ankle with a weed trimmer earlier...mmmmm....Darvocet...)

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    those are great (none / 0) (#132)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:46 AM EST
    I don't think I've had one since I was in Brazil, way too long ago.

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    My two favorite cocktails (none / 0) (#134)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:43:53 AM EST
    Are...
    Sex On The Beach:
    Midori
    Chambord
    Vodka
    OJ
    Cranberry
    Pineapple

    Betty Ford:
    Vodka
    Pineapple
    Cranberry

    I think Betty Fords are called bay breezes in the straight bars (we call them BF's in the gay clubs.)

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    That sounds like a very high end Sex On (none / 0) (#156)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:15:48 AM EST
    The Beach....bet it is very good tho

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    BFs, yes the irony. (none / 0) (#161)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:31:55 AM EST
    That is why gay bars rule.

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    Didn't know the tequila mojito. The white rum (none / 0) (#157)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:24:43 AM EST
    variety I've had on site in Cuba. One of the advantages of part-time residence in Canada: get to go to Cuba, hassle-free.

    In terms of architectural style, newer parts of Havana look like old Miami. Havana being more dilapidated from lack of repair to hurricane damaged structures. Old Havana looks a bit like New Orleans' French quarter, but with more majestic public buildings and residential stone structures.

    Seemed like everybody in Cuba was college-educated, at least those who were involved with the tourism industry. There's no element of 'servitude' in the attitude there. Made friends with a young man who was overjoyed to see that I was reading Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men". He hitch-hiked to the airport to say goodbye and I gave him the book (which he couldn't get there). Unforgettable.  

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    For me, I saw it on CNN w/Wolfe and (none / 0) (#112)
    by zfran on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:30:22 AM EST
    I when the pundits were saying how this "could really be something" (geez), I got online and BTD had picked it up. So BTD could have seen it just as I had, or possibly before I had.

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    What color (none / 0) (#114)
    by Step Beyond on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:31:23 AM EST
    is old fashioned? Sepia? :D

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    That drink sounds good (none / 0) (#115)
    by nycstray on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:31:31 AM EST
    I LOVE lime :) I'll have to see if my dog is ok with the smell of Tequila. She came from a bad situation and reacts poorly to the smell of some alcohols. Thankfully she's fine with wine, vodka and Bailey's!

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    Prac Lact, does it seem to you that (none / 0) (#151)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:04:52 AM EST
    'old-fashioned' drink recipes were more complicated and labor intensive? People used to take their drinking more seriously back when there was a requisite daily cocktail hour.

    Which reminds me of the other ongoing subject of movies: Todd Haynes' remarkable period piece, "Far from Heaven" (a remake of Douglas Sirk's "All that Heaven Allows"). Those folks knew their way around a cocktail.


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    Warning: anecdote ahead (none / 0) (#159)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:29:15 AM EST
    I asked my brother, who had been to Singapore many times, to give me a list of "don't misses" for the afternoon and evening I would be there en route to Viet Nam.  His list included a Singapore Sling at the Long Bar at the Raffles Hotel.  Tasted a lot like a whiskey sour and all the tourists were drinking them and taking each others pictures.  

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    Prac Lact, I read (no link) that (none / 0) (#162)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:41:55 AM EST
    good quality, clear spirits are generally more purified than anything that has any color i.e. white rum vs dark.

    Get this: I also read that you can purify low quality product by running it through a Brita filter. Well, as an experiment, I did it with a good vodka (Iceberg made in the Canadian province of Newfoundland) and it came out with no taste at all - like water. But my water tasted like vodka for days. I don't know what that says about Brita filters (or me).

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    lol!~ That was the lesson I was given in PR (none / 0) (#177)
    by nycstray on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:18:51 AM EST
    Drink the clear rum and you end up with the 'Rum Monster' the next day, but no hangover.

    Rum Monster= feeling a tad loopy, but happy and no ill effects.

    I had a good time :)

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    The Singapore Sling (none / 0) (#188)
    by magisterludi on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:11:05 AM EST
    brings back bad memories for me. As a bartender back in the 80's, slings were a popular drink with a youthful and less than socially sophisticated crowd. A rash of sling orders meant no tip. We even referred to bad tippers in general as "slingers".

    Another was the Sloe Gin Fizz, which tastes a lot like carbonated cough syrup. Go figure.

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    I'd rather rip out my eyeballs than watch! (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by Radiowalla on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:33:22 AM EST
    Living through it was more than enough, thank you very much.

    It might be worth watching (5.00 / 0) (#140)
    by ChuckieTomato on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:49:21 AM EST
    to hear the difference between a hanging chad and a dimpled chad all over again

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    Actually, he may have coattails this fall (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by nycstray on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:40:13 AM EST
    all the folks that won't vote for him may be voting down ballot, lol! I plan on voting for Dems DB and writing in Hillary. I've heard the same from others, McCain voters and leaving the top spot blank voters.

    It's the magic of the Unity Pony, I tell ya!

    Going through some old links (5.00 / 2) (#137)
    by Edgar08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:49:13 AM EST
    The link I had to TPM where Obama's and Clinton's Iraq War votes are compared (to show no difference) now goes nowhere.  They removed the post.

    The St. Paul Saints (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by facta non verba on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:17:25 AM EST
    "honor" Senator Larry Craig tomorrow on National Tap Dance Day with a "bobblefeet" giveaway.

    Bobblefeet.

    It's pretty darn funny.

    I am. (none / 0) (#1)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:01:19 PM EST
    The Honeymooners aren't on.

    I don't have cable (none / 0) (#3)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:02:48 PM EST
    refuse to pay for television that is NOT supposed to have commercials.  I was a teenager when cable first hit.  The PLUS was supposed to be commercial-free.

    I will just have to wait for the DVD.

    On the flip,  Judge Judy is HILARIOUS!  Just watched a video where a man had to sue his son.  Great theatre.  JJ plays it up nice for the cameras.  I love her!

    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:10:04 PM EST
    I think she is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I just watched Knocked Up for the fifth time (it's on HBO).

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    LOL (none / 0) (#19)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:18:02 PM EST
    "fingernails on a chalkboard".  I think that JJ is a lot like Hillary.  You either like her or you don't.  No middle ground.  I watched her profile on 60 Minutes that came out in 1993.  MAN she was ONE tough cookie in the NY family courts.

    She was reviled by the juvenile courts because she made SO many people within the system accountable.

    If you go to youtube and put in judge judy 60 minutes, the interview is available.  

    I will have to google Knocked Up.  Not familiar with it.


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    I enjoyed Knocked Up, but could never watch (none / 0) (#26)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:23:12 PM EST
    it five times....once was enough.  As for Judge Judy....out of all the judges on TV if I had to watch one, it would be her.  She is no nonsense and frankly, I think the world would be a better place if there were more judges like her...fair, but firm.

    BTW Tx, went to your website and tried to register, but I must be too dumb to do it :)

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    u don't have to register (none / 0) (#29)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:26:48 PM EST
    just comment on it.  Blogger.com is kinda funky.  I am getting back to blogging a lot because on my old blog I have a lot of people STILL cruising it and are asking me to get back on track.

    I usually post M-F.  Remember, I am NOT the person who I am here on my blog.  It's my alter-ego and very colorful in the language.

    ;)

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    I know my ears, I mean my eyes were burning (none / 0) (#31)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:28:40 PM EST
    but I loved it....you are my kind of dem!

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    In the words of Dubya (none / 0) (#37)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:31:22 PM EST
    "Mission Accomplished"

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    Aren't You The Funny One...BTW how does (none / 0) (#40)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:34:03 PM EST
    one shoot an email off to you to complain...just kidding

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    My info (none / 0) (#52)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:42:53 PM EST
    is available on THIS website.  Click my username and have at it.  A few people on here have emailed me directly.

    It's better though if you comment on my blog.  And for full disclosure, I do moderate all my own comments.  So if I don't like what you said it goes down the rabbit hole.

    mmmmWAHWAHAHAHAHHAHA!

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    My goodness....how do you get that big head (none / 0) (#63)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:53:24 PM EST
    on your pillow every night... :)

    Thanks for the tip...you will be hearing from me soon.  And I will try to comment on your blog again.

    And maybe I should try to figure out how to put my info on here....

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    LOL (5.00 / 0) (#71)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:58:23 PM EST
    Like I said before once, I was at first an Obama supporter.  I think some of that rubbed off.

    <eg>

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    Has anybody seen the film (none / 0) (#57)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:44:19 PM EST
    It's all Gone Pete Tong; I've watched that a number of times. Got a penchant for substance abuse films; think I've seen most more than once. Anybody else so inclined - recommendations?

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    Never heard of that movie, but will check it out (none / 0) (#64)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:55:02 PM EST
    Ever see Less Than Zero?  Robert Downey, Jr. was one of the stars.

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    If I think about it... (none / 0) (#76)
    by kredwyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:02:25 AM EST
    when I close my eyes I can still see him as Julian...dead in the back of the convertible.

    ::sigh::

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    I cried... (none / 0) (#86)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:09:14 AM EST


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    Oh oh! (none / 0) (#83)
    by Jackson Hunter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:06:22 AM EST
    Sore spot Psst!  :)

    Less Than Zero is not really a bad flick, and it is good on the substance abuse issue, but Hollywood mangled and nutrasweeted the story for the movie.  If you've never read the novel, I would recommend it (you can read it in almost one sitting), with just one proviso:

    Wait until after the Primary, especially if BHO wins, because this book will depress the Hell out of you and afterwords we may never be able to find you.  LOL  Really, they basically paid Bret Easton Ellis for the title and a few character names, other than that it's all whitewash.

    That said, you're right, it is a good anti drug tale, so it has utility there, I just hate when Hollywood sterilizes books for film so it hits a sore spot, nothing personal.  

    Don't know about movies, but "Intervention" on A&E is pretty good.  Maybe you can find "Reefer Madness."  LOL

    Jackson

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    Nutrasweeted...lol I Will Try To Find The (none / 0) (#90)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:12:45 AM EST
    book....probably take me til November anyway.  Don't you think if BO just wins the nomination I won't be depressed enough????  

    As for Intervention....some of them are just too hard to watch.  Especially one about the guy in Vegas who owned a bunch of spas and was into drinking and drugs....at the end of the show they gave the blurb that he died...it was a killer.

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    That's why... (none / 0) (#102)
    by Jackson Hunter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:23:28 AM EST
    I warned you.  Seriously, when I finished the book it left me not so much depressed but...empty I guess is the best way to put it.  I read a couple of other of his books too, the most infamous being the Serial Killer one (now THAT was a pretty good take on the book, much, much better, the freakin' name of the book/movie escapes me now for some reason, probably repression :)) and I always ended up feeling the same emptiness.  He is really good on bleak, he really make you feel it.

    Robert Downey was really good in that role though, the one really bright spot of the whole film.  Except for James Spader as Rip, he was the only one who "got" it as far as the vibe.

    Jackson  

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    Fun movies: "Midnight in the Garden (none / 0) (#116)
    by Eleanor A on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:33:13 AM EST
    of Good and Evil", if only for the scenes with Lady Chablis...

    Watched it earlier today, thoroughly enjoyed it.  But then I'm a Kevin Spacey fan.  (Miss him being in the movies, he's running a theater in London these days...)

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    I was in Savannah in January (none / 0) (#187)
    by samanthasmom on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:55:27 AM EST
    Saw the Lady Chablis in person. And "the Garden", too.  The book was wonderful.

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    American Psycho? (none / 0) (#119)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:35:29 AM EST


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    Not even 6 degrees of separation: (none / 0) (#128)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:24 AM EST
    "American Psycho", Christian Bale starred in that and he starred in the glam-rock, pseudo-historical pic, "Velvet Goldmine" that I just mentioned hereabouts.

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    I watched the movie (none / 0) (#175)
    by mulletov cocktails on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:11:16 AM EST
    as i read the book for a post-modernism class and was really disappointed with the movie.  I think the father/son "help me help you" scene pushed me over the edge.

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    Less than Zero, yes more than once. (none / 0) (#121)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:36:33 AM EST
    Robert Downey Jr. is the poster boy for the subject at hand isn't he. He was good in the recent Diane Arbus bio-pic "Fur" with Kidman.

    Also like other films about low life and high living, especially one's that involve the music indstry: Todd Haynes' esoteric "Velvet Goldmine" and, on the other end of the spectrum, Cameron Crowe's "Almost Famous" (that one is sappy but I'm not complaining). Was a tad disappointed by the aging groupie flick "The Banger Sisters" with Goldie Hawn and Susan Sarandon. But still, I think aging-groupie-chic is an inspirational persona.

    Speaking of Sarandon, anybody seen the May/December edgy romance flick "White Palace" with her and James Spader? It's a lot about socio-economic class conflict; he's an attorney, she's a waitress at White Castle. Hot. "Boston Legal" is absurd, but I like to watch Spader be the uber-perv.

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    loved White Palace and love Spader on (none / 0) (#130)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:33 AM EST
    Boston Legal....I am so glad he and Denny made up!

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    OMG (none / 0) (#123)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:39:26 AM EST
    one of my fave 80s movies ever.

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    Judge Judy lacks even the minimum (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:47:18 PM EST
    amount of judicial temperment.  The type of judge one dreads appearing in front of.

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    Hopefully we will never have to appear (none / 0) (#66)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:55:55 PM EST
    before her.  She is kinda scary.

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    it's daytime television (none / 0) (#73)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:00:31 AM EST
    the most mindless form of entertainment.  that's why she comes on (at least here in Fort Worth/Dallas) after General Hospital.

    Just a soap opera with Byrd as the supporting actor.

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    On occasion, i get off of work early (none / 0) (#178)
    by mulletov cocktails on Sun May 25, 2008 at 03:20:01 AM EST
    and get to see her (I think she's on Wfaa in DFW).  I'm never struck by the fact that people watch her only by the fact the two seperate sets of people agree to appear on the show.

    BTW
    A singer/songwriter named Todd Snider wrote a brillant a song  called "Incarcerated" about these types of shows.

    Nobody suffers like the poor people suffer.

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    Agree, cancel her show and replace with (none / 0) (#127)
    by ChuckieTomato on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:00 AM EST
    Larry Seidlin.

    The bald guy every one loves


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    I am (none / 0) (#120)
    by LoisInCo on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:36:24 AM EST
    thinking of popping in my Shogun DVDs this weekend. Either that or read the book. Again.

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    Ahhh..Richard Chamberlain. (none / 0) (#131)
    by zfran on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:38 AM EST
    Met him durin the Dr. Kildare heyday.

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    It is still my favorite (none / 0) (#143)
    by LoisInCo on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:51:11 AM EST
    mini-series of all time. I used to search for it on the TV guide for years hoping to catch the actual whole thing instead of the horrid cut up version. I was estatic to find it on DVD at long last.

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    She often seems quite abusive (none / 0) (#181)
    by andrys on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:23:52 AM EST
    If one of the people in front of her is a horror, then I don't mind seeing the abuse as much but it always leaves me uncomfortable.

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    Agreed. (none / 0) (#9)
    by mulletov cocktails on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:10:27 PM EST
    When I moved into my first apartment after graduating college, I couldn't afford it and figured I would get around to it later.  Seven years later, I never got around to it and don't miss it--though it is a pain having to wait for The Wire to come out on DVD.

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    I was the same way (none / 0) (#58)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:44:31 PM EST
    about Sex and the City.  I was faithfully at Best Buy on Tuesday mornings to buy the latest boxset.  I am so OCD.  I would watch the entire season like in one night.  

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    I do the same. (none / 0) (#138)
    by mulletov cocktails on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:49:18 AM EST
    My brother bought me season 4 of the Wire for Christmas, and the first night i watched six episodes.

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    Anybody seen "Fat Actress" HBO series (none / 0) (#172)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:34:17 AM EST
    with Kirstie Alley. I didn't know I liked her. But she was absolutely SHAMELESS in that series. It's a semi-autobiographical riff on a reality show. It's extreme, un-pc, relatable, full of pathos and un-fulfilled ambition, and very funny (imo). I watched the whole box set in one evening.

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    No cable? (none / 0) (#10)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:11:46 PM EST
    That's what neighbors and relatives are for!

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    I have cable... (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by kredwyn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:12:53 PM EST
    but not the premium channels.

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    No premium channels (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by RalphB on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:17:38 PM EST
    either and usually don't miss them.  In a perverse way this campaign's media nonsense has been good for me.  I seldom turn on my TV anymore and enjoy it more that way.  :-)


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    I haven't been watching much t.v. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:18:58 PM EST
    either lately. Right now I'm watching Alien..such a good movie.

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    Been reading a lot instead (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by RalphB on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:22:52 PM EST
    currently James Lee Burke's 'Last Car to Elyssian Fields'.  I really love mostly mindless fiction.


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    Mindless Fiction Is One Of My Addictions (none / 0) (#194)
    by MO Blue on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:54:16 AM EST
    I'm a real bookaholic. I've read one or two of Burke's books but not that one.

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    No premium here either (none / 0) (#44)
    by nycstray on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:37:17 PM EST
    I never watched HBO etc enough to make it worth it. Just need my sports and food/animal shows. Bravo is a bonus as are a few other channels.

    I would like to see Recount. I think, lol!

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    Top Chef!! One of my favorites. (none / 0) (#69)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:56:55 PM EST


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    Ditto. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:39:09 PM EST
    What's maddening is we don't have all the cable benefits which I would love....C-SPAN 2 & 3.

    Time to make a fuss about that again...stir the pot a little.

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    That's odd. I get C-Span 2 & 3 (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:43:51 PM EST
    They're good for watching hearings and such. Not a good thing to do late at night for me though. I generally get to p!ssed off to sleep . . .

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    I get the C-spans here... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kredwyn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:46:47 PM EST


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    Judge Judy is a guilty pleasure (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:12:47 PM EST
    I'm sure she reminds me of someone in my extended family.

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    I am. n/t (none / 0) (#5)
    by inclusiveheart on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:05:41 PM EST


    I may (none / 0) (#14)
    by Step Beyond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:13:28 PM EST
    I rewatched Iron Jawed Angels the other day. They'd make a good double feature for the RBC members.

    So many voting movies on currently or maybe I'm just noticing them more.

    Diary question (none / 0) (#21)
    by Step Beyond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:19:24 PM EST
    How do you get the option to write a diary? Is it a link that is right in front of my face that I am missing or is it something limited to the more frequent posters?

    email Jeralyn (none / 0) (#47)
    by ding7777 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:39:05 PM EST
    so she can change your permissions to diarist.

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    email Jeralyn (none / 0) (#62)
    by kredwyn on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:47:28 PM EST


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    you have to email me and ask (none / 0) (#101)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:21:02 AM EST
    to become a diarist.

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    You are now a diarist (none / 0) (#103)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:23:33 AM EST
    I changed your permissions. You should see the option in your screen now when you are logged in.

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    Thank you (none / 0) (#110)
    by Step Beyond on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:29:05 AM EST
    Now I'm off to string together some semi-coherent sentences. :D

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    I Have Dish Network 280+ Channels with (none / 0) (#22)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:19:56 PM EST
    HBO and ShowTime.  I will admit that sometimes it seems like there is nothing on, which bugs me, but I would NEVER give it up.  And having the DVR is a huge plus.  Tomorrow night I will record Recount and then watch it at my leisure.  I love it.  I hardly watch anything in real time anymore....you get spoiled.  Overall, it is worth the money.  And 2000 was quite appalling and I still believe Al Gore won!

    Gore (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:02:04 AM EST
    DID win.  If I ever met Al Gore, I would call him "Mr President-Elect".

    He's a pretty cool guy IMO.

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    DVR (none / 0) (#200)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:37:45 AM EST
    changed my life.  I used to be a slave to the TV schedule.  It was the greatest invention since tweezers.  

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    BTD or Jeralyn...did the Clinton campaign (none / 0) (#23)
    by Teresa on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:21:03 PM EST
    send out a press release or memo that the Obama campaign sent transcripts of KO's special comment last night to the media? I have read that twice now and wondered if you may have seen it.

    I'm soooo glad Obama is a (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:22:19 PM EST
    "new kind of pol" imagine what he would have sent out if he were the old kind?! UGH

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    It really upsets me if this is true. I can't find (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Teresa on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:24:44 PM EST
    a link to their memo but one poster printed it out and it looks genuine.

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    If it's true, did he have to pay (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:29:52 PM EST
    KO to get it, or with KO in his back pocket, was it just given to him to distribute. I agree, it really upsets me, too!!

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    They usually have KO's special comments (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:31:43 PM EST
    on Crooks and Liars and it was probably on Huffpo, where I believe KO blogged, as well as Dkos.

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    I think you can also get it (none / 0) (#41)
    by zfran on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:34:20 PM EST
    off of MSNBC's website.

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    They probably wrote it together (none / 0) (#201)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:38:58 AM EST


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    obama will not stand by his man, woman or (none / 0) (#34)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:30:27 PM EST
    anybody or anything for that matter.

    New kind of pol...my behind

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080525/pl_nm/usa_politics_dc

    That memo would not be a surprise.

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    KO Jumped the Shark Last Night (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Exeter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:05:35 AM EST
    He has become a caricature of a caricature of himself trying to imitate Edward R. Murrow. Murrow was about more than just being perpetually outraged about something, Keith.

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    Honestly (5.00 / 0) (#167)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:10:41 AM EST
    KO has crossed the line into dangerous.

    I really think if anyone is in danger, it's Hillary via some rabid KO fan.

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    It was like watching a mental breakdown (none / 0) (#182)
    by andrys on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:29:02 AM EST
    except that this particular nervous burst of hysteria was really so comical -- however, the vitriol behind it is truly disturbing.

      Where can we write to tell MSNBC or NBC this kind of display has nothing to do at all with 'news' or even 'opinion' but pure hate-speech and unworthy of that organization?

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    He really has ironically turned in Joe McCarthey (none / 0) (#203)
    by Exeter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:03:59 AM EST


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    KO = Joe McCarthey (none / 0) (#204)
    by Exeter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 11:05:05 AM EST
    Which is ironic, because he thinks of himself as a modern day Edward R. Murrow.

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    Try the doc (none / 0) (#32)
    by Lora on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:29:06 PM EST
    I fully plan to watch "Recount."  

    I also highly recommend "Hacking Democracy."

    This is the real stuff.  

    This is how vulnerable our election process is.

    Ah (none / 0) (#39)
    by Step Beyond on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:33:18 PM EST
    Well at least I'm not going blind. ;D

    I wanted to put up one correcting a few misconceptions regarding FL/MI (like that Obama couldn't remove his name in Florida) which drive me insane. That way I could just link to it in the coming days as I know it will be needed. But I'll just write it over on MyDD.

    Thanks for the answer!!

    Candidates in Florida couldn't remove (none / 0) (#184)
    by andrys on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:31:08 AM EST
    their names unless they made a statement that they were not candidates for the general presidential election.  So all the candidates refrained from the operatic activities some of them indulged in, in Michigan.

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    Jeez...can't do that.... (none / 0) (#51)
    by oldpro on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:40:18 PM EST
    the Mariners are in the toilet...

    But they sure make the Yankees look good! (none / 0) (#59)
    by nycstray on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:45:20 PM EST
    I need to send them a Thank You card, lol!~

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    Boo- LOL (none / 0) (#92)
    by Jackson Hunter on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:14:11 AM EST
    Just like Steve Gilliard used to say, "Eff the effing Yankees!"  Just teasing you a little, nothing personal.  :)

    Jackson

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    z%$@)&F* (none / 0) (#95)
    by oldpro on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:15:44 AM EST
    as if the Yankees need any outside help.

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    They do. Currently in last place! (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by nycstray on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:43:12 AM EST


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    As a Padres fan, I sympathize; and who (none / 0) (#150)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:03:56 AM EST
    would have ever expected a Pads fan to sympathize with a Yankee fan?

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    Has anyone read Jeff Toobin's (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:43:09 PM EST
    TOO CLOSE TO CALL: The Thirty-Six-Day Battle to Decide the 2000 Election?  

    His Analysis on CNN has been appalling (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:02:14 AM EST
    until he finally stood up for Hillary re: sexism...He was on Bill Moyers last night...maybe they will show that interview again.

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    No, is it good? I have a large gift certificate (none / 0) (#65)
    by Teresa on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:55:33 PM EST
    for B&N and I might get it if you recommend it. I have to replace TV with something.

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    I haven't read it. Heard the author (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by oculus on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:57:56 PM EST
    tonight on CNN in the run up to HBO's Recount.  I did enjoy (wrong word, given the content) Toobin's The Nine.

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    I thought it was great (none / 0) (#198)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:51:38 AM EST
    Not necessarily anything you didn't already know at least the outlines of, but lots of interesting detail and very well written to keep the pages turning.

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    Before you do that, check out (none / 0) (#202)
    by sickofhypocrisy on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:42:33 AM EST
    Belong to Me by Marisa de los Santos.  Or her first novel, Love Walked In.  Neither of them are political in nature, but they're both excellent books.  Amazon allows you to read an excerpt.

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    I will be watching Recount (none / 0) (#55)
    by americanincanada on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:43:39 PM EST
    and hoping that every Super and every voter in this country is watching as well. I hope HBO runs it over and over and over this week.

    That is HBO's forte...running movies over and (none / 0) (#79)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:04:52 AM EST
    over and over....It may be fortuitous that this movie is coming out now...kind of a reminder for those who forgot the 2000 election and a firsthand look into what stolen elections are like!!  Especially for those young whippersnappers!

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    Can't stand it (none / 0) (#122)
    by Eleanor A on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:38:14 AM EST
    That image of those paid-by-your-tax-dollars GOP Hill staffers rioting to shut down the recounts will be burned into my memory forever, I think...

    Well, and a few other images.  But I don't wanna get started on them at 12:30 AM or I'll be WAY too riled up to get to sleep.  Grrrrrr....

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    No... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jackson Hunter on Sat May 24, 2008 at 11:56:08 PM EST
    No HBO here, so i can't.  But since this is an open thread, how many of you think that SNL will survive?  They had half a season (they had their finale last week already, glad they didn't work up too much of a sweat-lol) and besides for a few things that I remember, it's been just putrid this year.  Kirsten Wiig is the one real bright spot.  Jason Sudekis (sp?) is pretty good as well.

    For me it's not political, they haven't given our gal too much of an unfair shake, but it just hasn't been funny.  They used to skewer WJC something fierce, but it was actually funny when they did it.  Hartman was so damn funny when he did him (that was a talented guy, I miss him) and the place seemed to brim with talent.  But it seems like the wind has gone out of their sails, and they are just joking by numbers now.  Maybe I'm being too harsh, what do you all think?

    Jackson

    Last time (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:04:03 AM EST
    I was a regular SNL viewer,  John Belushi, Dan Akroyd, Jane Curtin and Gilda Radner were on.

    Does that tell you anything?

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    Yeah...it sez your old, but have good taste :) (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:05:58 AM EST


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    I am a typical HRC supporter: (5.00 / 0) (#91)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:13:29 AM EST
    uneducated (2 college degrees don't count in the Obama-driven media), poor (with the price of food and gas, my 120K+ salary doesn't go as far), and yes...OLD.

    Psst, I am going to presume your a woman.  And since I am a gentleman first, and Southern, I will refrain from being honary with ya!  LOL!   ;)


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    You Haven't Refrained So Far....who you (none / 0) (#142)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:50:08 AM EST
    trying to kid?  

    You presumed correctly, and your said commentary almost made me cry...ha ha...and age is mind over matter...if you don't mind, it don't matter!  This will make you feel better...I am older than you!

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    Age (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:15:10 AM EST
    ain't nothin' but a number.  I turned 40 last year.  I think that as I get older I find myself more comfortable in my own skin.

    If this means anything, older women have always been my role models (my Mom, an aunt that I am very close to, teachers).

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    Tx, You know what, in my experience, (none / 0) (#165)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:53:35 AM EST
    and that of my friends, a significant number of young college men have a thing for female professors; I'm talking about a 15-25 year age difference. It makes Demi and Ashton look like peers.

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    Right string wrong yoyo (none / 0) (#169)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:14:40 AM EST
    well i may have had a crush or two on college professors but they would not have been women.

    But as a man I have nothing but total respect for women.  That's why I would NEVER vote for Obama because he shows a severe lack of respect for HRC.

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    Tx, in my own experience, (none / 0) (#174)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:50:03 AM EST
    there's also a same-sex dynamic that goes on between young women (even some hetero ones) and older female professors. I only know about the guy to guy stuff from a one-step remove. I think it all has to do with some inherently erotic element within the pedagogical relationship. Maybe that's TMI, I dunno.

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    Speaking for all women....we appreciate that! (none / 0) (#205)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:29:14 PM EST
    Maybe you could give classes and enroll obama for some lessons.

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    Obama says Hillary is stirring up controversy (none / 0) (#78)
    by ChuckieTomato on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:04:39 AM EST
    Yahoo Story

    Mr. Shallow Strikes Again....I Don't Feel Like (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:07:07 AM EST
    he is making many strides in FL, so he must cause some waves.  This won't help.

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    Ugh (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by Step Beyond on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:16:06 AM EST
    Once I read he was blaming her for stirring up Florida I knew without reading one more word that he had left Florida.

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    who they kiddin? (5.00 / 5) (#97)
    by RalphB on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:17:33 AM EST
    Obama has not called for Clinton to drop out of the race and has been careful to avoid alienating her supporters.

    HAHAHAHHA

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    HRC should just go NUCLEAR (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by txpolitico67 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:54:28 AM EST
    on Obama.  They accuse her of being negative, make believers out of them.  Bring up Monica Lewinsky and Whitewater ALL you want.

    PLEASE remind the tax paying public that the GOP, Ken Starr and the media fed that $50 million dollar TAXPAYER funded witchhunt.

    I say let's go for a battle royale:  In one corner we have Ken Starr/Monica Lewinsky/Whitewater.  In the other corner you have Michelle Obama/Rev Wright/Rezko/Ayers.

    It would be epic.  Push has now come to shove.  

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    According to Kos, she already has: (none / 0) (#152)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:06:14 AM EST
    By now, we now that Hillary Clinton will do or say anything in her mad pursuit of power. It's her only motivation at this point, trumping concerns about party unity, this fall's elections, and even her family's legacy. It's sad, no doubt


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    Could Kos Sound Anymore Pathetic.... (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:13:44 AM EST
    what the hell happened to this guy?

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    His post was for the purpose of (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:15:35 AM EST
    calling out Hillary Clinton for not acknowledging he essentially clinched in 1992 earlier than June.  But, what a lead-in.  I don't think he got the "Be Nice" e mail.

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    Clinching means getting the TOTAL-delegates (5.00 / 0) (#186)
    by andrys on Sun May 25, 2008 at 05:46:40 AM EST
    that are needed, not just the majority of pledged delegates, as long as we're in this crazy system.  Of course having the majority of pledged delegates is a good position.  The popular vote concept has muddied up the situation though and so we see Obama in Puerto Rico while having brushed off West Virginia and Kentucky.

      Obama does not have it clinched, which is why his supporters are all going crazy, trying to get the Superdelegates to COME OUT NOW (as Arianna puts it) and "commit" for him, in order to END the misery of being insecure about getting the nomination.

      In the meantime, all those bothersome electoral polls are not helping ObamaTeam, even if eventually the SDs will probably take a chance on him despite the better numbers for Clinton.  But Howard Dean did tell them it would come down to the last 6-8 races and which candidate would do best against McCain.  That has to be a bit of a stopper.

      Bill Clinton did not get the total number of delegates needed until June.  He had, from what I understand, the majority of pledged delegates in April, but as Obama and his supporters know, that is just shaky stuff until the superdelegates get to the actual number needed.  And then they will experience a little insecurity about people changing their minds before the actual voting in August if something scandalacious turns up.  Wright will be on his book tour around that time, some say.  Others say the Republican 527s are set to be released after June.

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    I always knew he had a corny streak (none / 0) (#196)
    by Burned on Sun May 25, 2008 at 08:32:14 AM EST
    It used to be cute.

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    HaHaHAHA (none / 0) (#87)
    by blogtopus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:10:49 AM EST
    Are you Serious??

    OMG That is CHUTZPAH.

    I assume the last paragraph is your (none / 0) (#111)
    by oculus on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:29:12 AM EST
    thoughts, not Senator Clinton's statement.

    Correct (none / 0) (#113)
    by nell on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:30:45 AM EST
    I apologize, I should have made that clear. The last paragraph is my OWN thoughts and did not come from the Clinton campaign.

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    Nell, you need to repost it (none / 0) (#118)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:33:55 AM EST
    I deleted it because it appeared that Hillary said it and it was your thoughts. So go ahead and repost with her comments in quotes and yours underneate. Use the quote button at the top of the comment box and preview first. Thanks.

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    Recount (none / 0) (#129)
    by msquote on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:42:29 AM EST
    Agree regarding "Recount"....rather attend a skunk wrestling match.

    i can't believe i missed that (none / 0) (#136)
    by boredmpa on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:46:55 AM EST
    that article is very seriously damaging for any argument about obama support/turnout helping dems in the fall.

    Part of the political calculus has been assumed to be local/state issues, and that article throws the turnout/DB argument under the bus.  I had no idea it was that bad...

    Nope (none / 0) (#141)
    by cawaltz on Sun May 25, 2008 at 12:49:31 AM EST
    I don't get the premium channels and don't watch TV enough for it to be worth my while to pay for them. At this point I probably would have ditched cable if it weren't for my family. My son loves watching Food porn...uh I mean the Food Network and Anima Planet and my daughter seems fixated on America's Next Top Model(which seems to be on ALOT of channels). The two younger ones are addicted to Cartoon Nework and Dr. Who. The husband watches Spike TV and Sci Fi. With the 5 others vying for the remote I rarely "watch" shows. I prefer reading anyway.

    please use the preview button (none / 0) (#149)
    by Jeralyn on Sun May 25, 2008 at 01:01:18 AM EST
    long urls skew the site and I have to delete your comments. Use the link button at the top of your comment box to paste it in or use tinyurl.com.

    I don't get the pre-dissing of Recount. (none / 0) (#166)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:06:22 AM EST
    How could any self-respecting, self-flagellating  political junkie be anywhere else on May 25 & 26.

    I saw the previews and Laura Dern is a hot Katherine Harris. She was interviewed on Colbert. I think he has integrity, since he was willing to commit professional suicide at last year's Washington Correspondents Dinner. Did anybody not see that? I believe it pretty much insured that he'll never get to do the big Oscar-type cashola gigs, and he knew that beforehand. I think he's always on the verge of going off the rails - he looks like he still surprises himself. He defines 'tightly wound'.

    Colbert can walk that tightrope... (none / 0) (#206)
    by marklar on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:20:20 PM EST
    He can somehow be fearless and still remain a class act. If you missed him on Larry King here's the money quote: "[Obama] is passing his hope-bong around the drum circle of America's youth...his bong packed with hope, Larry."  He's equal opportunity, though, and gets the Clinton's pretty good, too...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PmpXLJxhbY

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    I probably won't watch (none / 0) (#170)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:15:43 AM EST
    Even though I adore Kevin Spacey.

    I lived through it once, pretty much stopped living while it was going on, just watched TV. My ridiculous affliction with that election is embarrassing to me, especially since the Democrats have abandoned my reason for being a Democrat -- because they stand for people who NEED a president, not just want one.

    So there you have it ;-).

    Well guys and dolls, Jeralyn, G'nite. (none / 0) (#171)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:21:31 AM EST
    I've never done this kind of breezy, beach bonfire chat before. I've enjoyed the conversation and the company. Live to fight another day. Best to all you crazy diamonds.

    with respect to your (none / 0) (#173)
    by cpinva on Sun May 25, 2008 at 02:42:01 AM EST
    earlier "media darling" thread, digby is right to worry. that "darlingship" will last only until such time (if ever) that sen. obama becomes the dem nominee. from that point on, the media lovefest will be solely for sen. "saint" john "the maverick straight talker" mccain.

    anyone who thinks otherwise is in for a harsh surprise.

    should sen. clinton be the dem nominee, it will continue to be business as usual.

    Anybody (none / 0) (#189)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 25, 2008 at 06:49:32 AM EST
    else noticing the huge backlash against Obama w/r/t the RFK flap?

    Where? (none / 0) (#190)
    by stillife on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:15:19 AM EST


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    On the (none / 0) (#192)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:33:43 AM EST
    blogs.

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    I'm going to watch despite the fact that I (none / 0) (#195)
    by gish720 on Sun May 25, 2008 at 07:56:43 AM EST
    saw a preview the other day that bugged the heck out of me.  I'm from Florida and sat watching the real thing blow by blow.  I remember the Gore/Lieberman Poor/Loserman signs and all the garbage. As I watched the preview there's a part where Kevin Spacey says to someone, "and I don't even really like Gore" and I hated that they would find it necessary to put a line in like that. I wish they'd dropped that whole idea. Maybe it's in a context that makes it a joke or something, but it seemed like a pander to the Gore hating press.

    I live and voted in Palm Beach (none / 0) (#199)
    by MichaelGale on Sun May 25, 2008 at 09:09:43 AM EST
    County.  Pretty sure I checked the right candidate but only the universe knows for sure.

    Being that I was a '60's kid, I got out and did the protest thing at the center when Katherine was counting then stopping the vote count. Were met by the Miami thugs and the police had to escort us out of the area. It was pathetic.

    What is most frustrating to Florida voters, I think, is that we had little outside 'citizen' help.  I expected people across the country to take it to the streets but most of the MSM and articles made fun of us. Of course, there was a passionate love affair smoldering for Dubya Bush.

    It was very depressing.

    Lesson learned after eight years? Well obviously, don't fall in love with the candidate; do not trust the government; drop out..... or blog.

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