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Obama Resigns From Trinity Church

CNN and others are breathlessly reporting Obama is resigning from Trinity Church.

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    Wow, what a hero. (5.00 / 24) (#1)
    by masslib on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:50:40 PM EST


    There goes (5.00 / 6) (#85)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:46 PM EST
    the militant-Black vote.

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    Of course... (5.00 / 10) (#92)
    by JimWash08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:14:30 PM EST
    With hardly a black voter population to worry about in Montana, South Dakota and Puerto Rico, it probably was a timed decision.

    And lets not lose sight that its on the day of this meeting.

    It's all about timing, and Axelrove is a master at it.

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    Axelrod is the new Rove. nt (5.00 / 7) (#99)
    by Jake Left on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:16:06 PM EST
    Except (5.00 / 12) (#103)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:18:01 PM EST
    Rove WON presidential elections.

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    Ha ha ha (5.00 / 3) (#120)
    by Paul F Villarreal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:27:42 PM EST
    :)

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    Of course, Obama didn't realize he'd be (5.00 / 5) (#114)
    by pie on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:24:09 PM EST
    hastily tapped to run in the 2008 election.  Therefore, it's not surprising that he stayed in the church.  At the time, it was a good thing for his career as a state and U.S. senator.

    Makes me really wonder about those who wanted to foil Hillary.

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    "Those" (5.00 / 3) (#161)
    by facta non verba on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:05:54 PM EST
    are Tom Daschle and Dick Durbin. Those are the ones who want to govern but can't so they picked their own version of GWB.

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    The only "tapped" I want to hear, i.e. (5.00 / 5) (#170)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:14:03 PM EST
    obama is that he has "tapped out" of the race for presidential nominee.  I truly believe he qualifies as the most divisive figure in democratic politics EVER.

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    Oh please.... (none / 0) (#201)
    by masslib on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:42:07 PM EST
    Nothing hasty here.  This has been in the works for four years at least.  You can not possibly think the Chicago machine just suddenly discovered Obama.

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    Yes, what a relief... (5.00 / 9) (#142)
    by NotThatStupid on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:48:40 PM EST
    ... it is to know that, if he's elected President and a tough problem comes up requiring him to exhibit courage, toughness and decisiveness, we'll only have to wait twenty years for him to do the right thing.

    How could anyone think this man is fit to lead this country?

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    Well no informed, intellectually honest and (5.00 / 2) (#165)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:11:33 PM EST
    objective person who is concerned for America would have picked obama...Some actually think he may make for a weak president based on his latest church kerfluffle.

    I found this on-line and thought it interesting...

    link

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    It's incredible to me that all this (5.00 / 1) (#177)
    by zfran on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:20:02 PM EST
    "worship" of Obama has occurred. I am not a follower, never have been, but I just-don't-see-it or get-it!!!!! So, if someone who is truly for Obama, because they feel he's the strongest and best candidate for our country, please tell me why, with intelligence, sanity and details. Thank you.

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    I wish he would have done that (5.00 / 7) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:51:44 PM EST
    months ago.

    Try years ago (5.00 / 17) (#16)
    by hookfan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:26 PM EST
    But now that it's a liability another bump under the bus. Where is Obama's loyalty to anyone but himself.

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    years ago. (5.00 / 13) (#17)
    by TalkRight on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:33 PM EST
    if you watch the people's attending that church and the reaction to comments against our country or Hillary.. I wonder what kind of people can justify that kind of dancing behavior.

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    Everyday people.... (none / 0) (#214)
    by kdog on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:15:42 AM EST
    I mean if you don't think our country is on the wrong track and don't partially blame the Clinton ruling family for keeping us on that wrong track from 92-00 then I don't what to tell ya.

    There are a lot more people disillusioned by the state of the nation and the Clintons role in that than you probably realize.  We all don't go to Trinity, some of us wouldn't be caught dead attending services:)

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    Can an entire church (5.00 / 27) (#4)
    by stillife on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:52:12 PM EST
    fit under a bus?

    It's a big bus (5.00 / 24) (#6)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:52:51 PM EST
    A celestial shuttle.


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    Oh, so now we (5.00 / 14) (#13)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:12 PM EST
    understand that space shuttle launch earlier.

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    Don't they have their own? (5.00 / 17) (#7)
    by nycstray on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:16 PM EST
    it's a tad crowded under ours :)

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    LOL. We'll need a Mack truck.... (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:03 PM EST
    ...to accommodate them.

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    is Optimist Prime available? (4.50 / 2) (#87)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:12:50 PM EST
    he was a pretty big truck in Transformers

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    How about the Concord....they aren't being (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:31:03 PM EST
    used anymore and must be available.

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    My favorite transformer, (4.66 / 3) (#107)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:19:38 PM EST
    after Bumble Bee.

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    Not when the space is already full ... (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by cymro on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:21 PM EST
    ... of core democratic voters.

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    I sorta like all the previous people that were (5.00 / 7) (#55)
    by honora on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:03:22 PM EST
    thrown under the bus with us, but does this mean that we have to make room for Wright and Fr. Mike? I guess the singing under here will improve.  Please for the love of God, can we forbid Obama from throwing Michelle or Richardson under here.  We do have some standards!

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    Oh honey (5.00 / 6) (#71)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:12 PM EST
    I'm a better singer than they are! ;-)

    (Opera singer here)

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    How about linking an aria one day madamab? (5.00 / 4) (#122)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:31:39 PM EST
    On an open thread...;-) (5.00 / 2) (#132)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:37:13 PM EST
    alrighty....I'll wait!! (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:56:48 PM EST
    It will not save him (5.00 / 23) (#5)
    by TalkRight on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:52:38 PM EST
    It will raise more questions.. WHY NOW? WHY SO LATE?

    I agree. He had both pastors involved (5.00 / 12) (#18)
    by nycstray on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:50 PM EST
    in his campaign. That's another issue that isn't brought up as much . . . but I'm sure will be.

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    Involved? (1.44 / 9) (#53)
    by 1jane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:02:39 PM EST
    Two individuals who do not speak for Sen. Obama or reflect what his thinking are two people chasing notority and 15 seconds of fame at Sen. Obama's expense. Next, someone will write someone in the children's choir gave another kid a wedggy and that's Obama's fault too. The words to listen to and weigh are Sen. Obama's words.

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    Not speak for Obama? (5.00 / 14) (#70)
    by Emma on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:07 PM EST
    Pfleger campaigned in Iowa for Obama.

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    Um, surely you must (5.00 / 14) (#75)
    by dk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:10:02 PM EST
    have missed that flier his campaign passed out in South Carolina showing him looking up to Jesus and talking about how important his church was in his life.  These guys were leaders in his church.  Sorry, you don't get to pimp your church attendance when it helps you get votes, and then pretend like you don't know what your church leaders are doing when it is losing you votes.  

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    Absolutely right. (5.00 / 11) (#78)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:10:25 PM EST
    And the words under discussion are those of Mr. Obama, "Father Pfleger, Rev. Wright, would you come and be on my advisory committee, please?"

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    Completely dishonest (5.00 / 6) (#93)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:14:37 PM EST
    Skepti....are you working in tandem with (5.00 / 13) (#101)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:17:19 PM EST
    other obamatrolls that get troll rated...they get ones and you come along and give them 5's in hopes of giving them credence?  Arianna just called and she needs you...

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    Clearly (5.00 / 13) (#106)
    by janarchy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:19:23 PM EST
    you missed the part where there were pictures of Father Pfleger on Obama's website until this week listing him as a spiritual advisor and part of his campaign committe -- as was Rev. Wright earlier.

    Too little too late. The "it had nothing to do with him" argument doesn't wash.

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    Let the history rewrite begin... (5.00 / 15) (#111)
    by tree on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:21:43 PM EST
    Chicago Sun-Times, April 2004:

    These days, he says, he attends the 11 a.m. Sunday service at Trinity in the Brainerd neighborhood every week -- or at least as many weeks as he is able. His pastor, Wright, has become a close confidant.

    ...

    [Obama]"The biggest challenge, I think, is always maintaining your moral compass."

    Friends and advisers, such as the Rev. Michael Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church in the Auburn- Gresham community on the South Side, who has known Obama for the better part of 20 years, help him keep that compass set, he says.

    May 31, 2008: Now these same two pastors that Obama called his spiritual advisers and confidants are thrown under the bus by some Obama supporters as "two people chasing notoriety and 15 seconds of fame at Sen. Obama's expense".

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    In SC last fall, Michelle began a speech (5.00 / 5) (#130)
    by Josey on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:36:45 PM EST
    with greetings from Rev. Wright and Trinity Church.
    (saw that on a Repub site, but didn't save the link)

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    Both of them, Wright and Pfleger, (5.00 / 3) (#193)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:00:34 PM EST
    were on his website as "spiritual advisers" to the campaign. He sat in Wright's church for 20 years. He listened to those sermons for 20 years. Then he decided they were a political liability. And he dumped them. He can't have his cake and eat it too. He has to explain why and how he could be a member of a church that preached racial division while he campaigns on racial unity. He has to explain how the two are compatible and he has to do it to the satisfaction of the American people. When you do a job interview, which is what this is, the interviewers have the right to know everything that will apply to how you do your job. So far, all we know about Senator Obama is that he doesn't do much of a job at anything. Even explanations. We are just expected to take his word for everything. Well, that just isn't good enough. If he can't take Hillary at her word when she says something instead of spinning it into an insult, why should we take him at his word when he takes back an insult or stupid mistake on his part? He has to prove it now. And I doubt he will be able to, because you can't prove a lie.

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    1jane, you're funny. (4.58 / 12) (#104)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:18:16 PM EST
    you remind me of Baghdad Bob.

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    Those were the good days ;) (none / 0) (#134)
    by befuddled on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:39:15 PM EST
    I agree (5.00 / 5) (#67)
    by CanadianDem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:08:11 PM EST
    it looks bad either way....waffles with that or why were you in that church for all those years if it is worth resigning from now? Plays like pure politics.

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    I think Michael Obama should be worried (4.90 / 11) (#88)
    by TalkRight on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:13:00 PM EST
     .. because it might not be far when he will throw her also under  the BUS.

    He doesn't need the AA NOW or his Church. SO there you go...

    He has shown repetedly that he is cunning enough to throw anyone to get this nomination. Everyone knows how his career got started..

    He has NOW thrown

    His grandmother - Who raised him and made him what he is today.

    His pastor - Who showed him the way to God..

    His friends - Who helped start his political career.

    His Church -- Who gave him and his family everything that a church gives.

    AA -- who gave him the votes and victories without which he could not be where he is today.
    ...
    guess who will be next.. when Republicans try to raise questions against Michaelle.. She should be ready..

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    that would be (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:17:24 PM EST
    AWESOME.

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    A towering post (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by Paul F Villarreal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:17 PM EST
    One of the best things I have read anywhere in some time.

    Succinct, true and devastating.

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    Well done. (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by RonK Seattle on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:42 PM EST


    Any confirmation? How solid is this report? (none / 0) (#57)
    by RonK Seattle on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:03:47 PM EST
    Or just the usual trade rumors?

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    It Was On A Blog (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by JimWash08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:30 PM EST
    According to Obama supporter and CNN contributor Roland Martin, someone had the news up on his blog.

    I hope its NOT true, only so that the downfall of Mr. Martin is long overdue. But that's a discussion for another day.

    I'm waiting for an official announcement, or maybe a BIG speech in Madison Square Gardens, from Obama himself. With his proud wife by his side.

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    Ah, (5.00 / 4) (#96)
    by LoisInCo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:15:19 PM EST
    A historic speech on religion. And religions and race. And religions and race in a race about religions.

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    ABC just called it for (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Rhouse on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:35:08 PM EST
    the leaving, something about being divisive to his campaign.

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    It's on the MSNBC web site (none / 0) (#176)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:17:38 PM EST
    probably on TV, too, but I won't watch that channel.

    Didn't say Michelle also left, and when he disowned Wright she refused to say if she also did.

    He must think he's got the AA vote sewn up and doesn't need them anymore.


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    He just said he sent out the letter (5.00 / 1) (#182)
    by zfran on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:22:57 PM EST
    to Trinity on Friday, CNN got a hold of it (probably leaked, just my opinion)and so he felt that in South Dakota, a deeply religious state, he needed to come out (in SD)and talk about it. He could have just issued a statement!!!

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    Wonder if he's planning to attend (5.00 / 10) (#9)
    by chancellor on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:44 PM EST
    St. Sabina instead? (snark--Michael Pfleger's church!)

    Okay, if his campaign is so smart, (5.00 / 12) (#10)
    by pie on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:44 PM EST
    why didn't they see the fallout from his relationship with the church?

    Not good.  Also speaks to their fantasy about unity.

    Hmmmm.

    They wanted the AA votes...for the nomination (4.80 / 5) (#32)
    by TalkRight on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:54 PM EST
    For the GE they don't care... AA are with them..they stole AA from under Clinton.
    Smart campaign indeed.

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    Unfortunately, the AA vote (5.00 / 6) (#76)
    by pie on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:10:10 PM EST
    won't get him elected.

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    It also may not like his (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:20:47 PM EST
    decision to abandon them. After all, they don't leave the church when these preachers get them all waving their arms. They might be very unhappy that he didn't have the courage to stick with his blackness.

    You remember that Michelle would not openly disown Wright, hasn't commented on Pfleger, and probably won't leave the TUCC.


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    hmmm (3.00 / 2) (#74)
    by CanadianDem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:59 PM EST
    they stole AA from under Clinton

    errr, thats a wild speculation imho.

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    No, Clinton would've had the black vote. (5.00 / 3) (#138)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:45:50 PM EST

    Bill had it in '92 and '96.  He was "the first black President" according to (now two-faced) Toni Morrison.  Blacks loved the Clintons, until Obama came along.

    Don't make me get out links, because I do have them.

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    oh man (none / 0) (#147)
    by CanadianDem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:56:51 PM EST
    that just sounds funny, it's almost like I have a gun, don't make me go get it....or cling to it as it were ;)

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    LOL (5.00 / 0) (#151)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:01:06 PM EST

    I don't cling to guns, I cling to facts.

    But for real, I do have a couple of old links to articles about Bill and the black community/how they loved the Clintons.  Somewhere in this mess of a gazillion bookmarks.  >_>

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    Patti Solis Doyle and Mark Penn (1.00 / 1) (#168)
    by riddlerandy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:13:15 PM EST
    ran a great campaign for Hillary

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    It's over (5.00 / 16) (#12)
    by Paul F Villarreal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:04 PM EST
    He is toast. This is way, way too late.

    He should not have done this, it only makes him look weak, could hurt him with AA's and looks as transparent as the 'no problem with Wright'/next-day throw Wright under the bus ploy.

    This is bad. And it shows the polling is bad for him, too.

    If Clinton needed a reason to stay in, she has it now.

    I agree (5.00 / 10) (#29)
    by Andy08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:06 PM EST
    it will not change a bit what it means Obama's relationship with Pfleger and Wright. How can you explain  the last 20 years of your life especially when you are in your 40's? That's all of his adult life.

    This is the end of the line for him. If the SD don't see it then
    we are TOAST in Nov.

     

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    I would almost (5.00 / 6) (#62)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:06:14 PM EST
    argue that point because the Sunday talk shows would have a field day with it.  It does speak to their political savvy though:  bury it NOW while the protesters and Donna Brazile are sucking all the air out of the news cycle's rooms right now.

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    I would almost (5.00 / 3) (#63)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:06:20 PM EST
    argue that point because the Sunday talk shows would have a field day with it.  It does speak to their political savvy though:  bury it NOW while the protesters and Donna Brazile are sucking all the air out of the news cycle's rooms right now.

    BUT, then there's FOX news.

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    I disagree with 1 part (5.00 / 3) (#66)
    by waldenpond on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:07:37 PM EST
    I don't think he will lose one single AA vote.  Bush has supporters who never left him no matter what, Obama does too (no, I am not referring to just his AA support).

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    It's a small percentage of the vote in the states (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by pie on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:13:43 PM EST
    he needs to win, and a slightly larger percentage in the ones he won't win.

    So what's the deal here?

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    AA's Will NOT Stop Backing Obama and (none / 0) (#203)
    by TomLincoln on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:17:24 PM EST
    anyone who thinks so is only fooling him/herself. They take this quite simply as "he had to do it," as "part of the game," and will, for the most part, think that otherwise these Republicans and the media were going to ruin his campaign.

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    I do wonder about his wife Michelle and his (none / 0) (#204)
    by TomLincoln on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:28:42 PM EST
    daughters, and whether they have sort of left Trinity as well. I can only imagine so. I add that I do not for one second think any of this is sincere, and it might present a problem for him with white church going voters, in that they may consider that all this hollier than though stuff from the Obama camp as to his faith was nothing more than shallow and that he was only using Trinity while it was politically convenient.  Does anyone know what church, if any, he will be going to now? He better announce one before the muslim rumors start again.

    It is very difficult to judge someone's faith, and one should probably not even try. But I have never liked politicians who wore their faith on their sleeve. I'll respect their faith, but don't be a show off about it, and certainly don't try to get my vote because of it.

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    Why would it hurt him with AAs? (none / 0) (#136)
    by kayla on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:42:33 PM EST
    Nothing will hurt him with AAs, especially not living this church that isn't even typical in the AA community.

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    That's a talking point for this fall (5.00 / 16) (#14)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:20 PM EST
    From an "in-the-tank-reporter-for McCain":

    'So, Senator Obama, after 20 years, what made you feel like it was time to leave your church?"

    This just feeds the narrative.  Just because you quit something doesn't complete you cut you off from its association.  This is a presidential campaign, not running for the local PTA.

    More and more Obama is showing he is too reactionary and amateurish in his 'judgment'.

    He is still thinking (5.00 / 8) (#124)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:34:20 PM EST
    he's running against Clinton in the fall.

    If he is the nominee, the Republicans will not be nearly as forgiving as the Democrats.

    They will put Obama through the shredder the way they do every Democrat.


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    yep--this was waaaay too late to help him (4.80 / 5) (#127)
    by kempis on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:36:10 PM EST
    'Bout time (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by Radiowalla on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:55:53 PM EST
    It  is painful for me to hear the Obama-supporting commentator on CNN state that there was no reason for him to leave.  How weak.  

    He also said this was just a visiting preacher (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Teresa on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:58:06 PM EST
    as if Obama didn't even know him.

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    Just wait five minutes... (5.00 / 3) (#190)
    by Dawn Davenport on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:42:17 PM EST
    ...and then the supporter will make a case that Obama's leaving the church shows his superior judgment and response to moral authority. ;-)

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    I want to hear (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Lahdee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:08 PM EST
    his reasons. They better be awfully good.
    I can just hear the right now, Obama jettisons church for political reasons, Obama to church - Get lost (Daily News NY) and of course AP will come with, Obama leaves church in damage control move.

    Same as always (5.00 / 9) (#54)
    by waldenpond on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:02:49 PM EST
    Michael Goodwin quoted them on CNN...

    Doesn't reflect my values (I expect that one to be uses liberally by him and his surrogates)
    unite/divide
    look to the future/time to move forward/get rid of the language of the past (this digs at the other candidates at the same time)
    I expect a sprinkling of the slogans... change/ hope

    Frankly, I am surprised you are asking, we've heard it all before.

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    Not watching CNN (5.00 / 5) (#68)
    by Lahdee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:08:21 PM EST
    But it is a familiar song isn't it?
    Silly me I forgot the unity pony.

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    Why do you all talk about the pony? (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:17:00 PM EST
    That's a unity unicorn, friend--you know, the beast that does not exist?

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    Michael Goodwin was on Lou Dobbs (5.00 / 6) (#109)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:20:12 PM EST
    yesterday saying people were done with obama's "boilerplate responses".  They no longer ring true.

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    Michael Goodwin (5.00 / 6) (#116)
    by JimWash08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:26:18 PM EST
    Is this the same Mr. Goodwin who wrote that really scathing and hate-filled column towards Hillary about the unfortunate RFK Gaffe?

    Yeah, I wouldn't take his words seriously anymore. My respect for him instantly diminished totally after that.

    And no, I'm not saying that he always has to be favorable to Hillary, but that column was pretty much, IMO, the print-equivalent to Keith Olbermann's hateful rant on the same topic.

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    I didn't read that rant...too many to choose (5.00 / 4) (#131)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:36:46 PM EST
    from.  And, I would never abide something like that.....

    BUT ON THIS PARTICULAR POINT REGARDING obama...I have to agree with him.  People do not find obama sincere.

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    Sometimes you're hot. Sometimes you're not. (5.00 / 0) (#133)
    by hookfan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:39:06 PM EST
    Um, the reason couldn't be more obvious (5.00 / 10) (#89)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:13:10 PM EST
    Trinity Church is political suicide. The GE starts soon.

    Craven.

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    Were'nt you the (1.00 / 1) (#139)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:46:35 PM EST
    one who said the Vietnam Veterans Against the War was political suicide four years ago?

    Any thoughts about Hagee as stooge for the regime change hard-right, or would talking about that reality be too offensive to Hillary's friends on the AIPAC Board?

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    Huh? (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by Dr Molly on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:05:31 PM EST
    I have no idea what you're talking about with the VVAW. But, in any case, I surely don't feel the need to engage in discussion with you about anything. But thanks for asking! I find your comments to usually be dishonest and puerile. Your false equivalencies (e.g., Wright = Hagee,) are just tediously stupid to me.

    Bye!

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    By the end of the campaign (5.00 / 15) (#26)
    by Paul F Villarreal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:34 PM EST
    ...Barack will have no ties with anyone, ever and may even cut his connections with Illinois.

    What a farce.

    "Illinors borders on (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by tree on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:20:50 PM EST
    the Mississippi River, the most divisive River in these Great United States. Obama, after all, is all about unity and hope and not divisiveness(unless it serves his political purpose), so regretfully he will have to renounce and reject both the state of Illinois and the Mississippi River.  

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    Great work by you both (none / 0) (#202)
    by Paul F Villarreal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:45:21 PM EST
    ...my friends.

    Fantastic!

    Looks like Obama's "Goodbye to Illinois" speech is well underway in its preparations.

    ;)

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    Perhaps it was part of his deal (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by masslib on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:17 PM EST
    with super delegates.  That's my bet.

    maybe the ones (5.00 / 10) (#77)
    by ccpup on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:10:19 PM EST
    who are as dumb as a post, perhaps.  It's not like his resigning is going to suddenly stop the republicans talking about Trinity Church and Wright and Pfleger.

    If he wanted to protect himself from stupid fallout, he should have resigned years ago, not 3 months too late.

    I keep hearing Barack is an intelligent guy, but I'm still not seeing it.

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    Too little (5.00 / 9) (#31)
    by stxabuela on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:42 PM EST
    and too late.  

    If I ran a Repubican 527 (5.00 / 8) (#37)
    by phat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:13 PM EST
    The script for this ad comes without little thought.

    Behold the Man (5.00 / 8) (#38)
    by Edgar08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:29 PM EST
    Who has Denounced and Rejected.... his Faith.


    That bus is gonna need a realignment soon. (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by The Realist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:39 PM EST
    Michelle is next, after HER video comes out.

    She's gonna be running the shell game on the streets after Obama shows her the door.

    MSNBC must be crying (5.00 / 5) (#42)
    by IKE on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:00 PM EST
    Now if only he can resign from MSNBC. Haha, wonder what is Chris Matthews feeling up his leg now.

    Warm pee? n/t (5.00 / 5) (#140)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:47:09 PM EST
    Has Obama made a pnone call (5.00 / 6) (#44)
    by themomcat on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:10 PM EST
    to HRC apologizing to her for his surrogates, like she has for her surrogates? Is Fr. Pflager still one of his spiritual advisers? Or did he Archdioceses of Chicago put a muzzle on Fr. Pflager and his advocacy of Obama? Obama needs to be more gracious as the front runner.

    hopefully (5.00 / 6) (#45)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:19 PM EST
    this is the beginning of the end.

    and him leaving his church?  that move came STRAIGHT down from Pelosi/Dean/Kerry.

    Michelle didn't want to leave that church, is my guess, because she probably feels more loyal to it than Obama does regarding where they are in life and how it helped them to get there.

    I bet this is also a little reflexive as to that purported tape out there with MO and Rev Wright.

    Any takers??

    Don;t know about any MO tape (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by RalphB on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:13:33 PM EST
    except the rumors.  I will bet there is more dirt to come out from TUCC though.  What kind?  Who knows?


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    Never tought of that (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by Arabella Trefoil on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:17:20 PM EST
    Totally agree with you. Did Michelle bring him to the church in the first place? I thought that the church was a big part of his black identity.

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    Yawn. (5.00 / 13) (#49)
    by dk on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:01:07 PM EST
    Ever since he hid behind religion in order to gay bait in South Carolina in order to get votes, he cast his lot with crazy religious demagogues.  He can try to run, but once you get in bed with those people, you can't take it back.

    They gave him spiritual herpes! n/t (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:48:24 PM EST
    Too Little, Too Late (5.00 / 15) (#52)
    by JimWash08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:02:05 PM EST
    So wait, he had an official post in the church, hence a "resignation?" I don't get it.

    PLUS.....

    1. He sat in that church for 20 years, and continued there for the last 3 months when all these problems were erupting.

    2. It shows how opportunistic he is; he's consistently been throwing people under the bus when they were turning out to be an inconvenience for him.

    3. This latest stunt raises (even more) questions about his judgment, his values, his sense of loyalty and his penchant for taking and breaking friendships and associations.

    On my point #3, I think Hillary and Bill have shown that they are extremely strong in making and keeping strong friendships and associations, and very serious about loyalty (i.e. the reaction to Richardson)

    She had a huge number of endorsements secured right off the bat when she announced her campaign. Of course, there were a few rather weak individuals who jumped ship.

    This "resignation" raises flags, more than anything else.

    No (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:50:46 PM EST

    you can resign your membership from a church congregation.  "Resign"/"leave"...I would think it'd be the same thing.  "Resign" means a lot more than coming from an official position.

    I.e., "I find myself resigned to vote for McCain if Obama is the nominee in November."  I think that's an appropriate usage of the word, too.

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    Shocked (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by zebedee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:05:14 PM EST
    Obviously he's just realized what's been going on there. This scene comes to mind:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM_A4Skusro

    I'm sure he searched (5.00 / 23) (#65)
    by frankly0 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:06:58 PM EST
    his soul before he came to this hard decision.

    Wait, did I say "soul"?

    I meant, "poll".

    LOLOL (5.00 / 9) (#72)
    by The Realist on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:15 PM EST
    SHWEETT!!

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    Guess (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by garage mahal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:09:51 PM EST
    He'll do anything to win! Haha. He did the right thing, I have no idea it plays out though. Now I wish he'd get with Hill and get this ticket unified and barnstorm across the country and kick McCain's hind-end 6 ways to Sunday.

    Hey (5.00 / 7) (#81)
    by janarchy on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:16 PM EST
    it's sure getting crowded under that bus.

    I'm sure MSNObamaC will sing his praises for his very very courageous act.

    What a guy. (5.00 / 9) (#84)
    by sas on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:35 PM EST
    The fact that it took months to do this is just more evidence of his poor judgement.

    Add to that, his resume could be written on the back of his driver's license, he has run a racist, sexist campaign, and he has little background knowledge.....it is an embarrasment that the Democratic Party would nominate him to lead our country.

    Apparently they go together well, since the Democratic Party exhibits poor judgement also.

    Can we expect (5.00 / 10) (#95)
    by stillife on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:14:57 PM EST
    another Totally Awesome Speech that defines race and religion in America and sends tingles down our legs?  Or will this be a quiet, low-key bus-shoving?

    Or perhaps TUCC will release (5.00 / 1) (#157)
    by felizarte on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:11:37 PM EST
    all pertinent information e.g. other tapes, attendance records.

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    i had a tingle down my leg once, (none / 0) (#210)
    by cpinva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:35:01 PM EST
    turned out it was a slightly pinched nerve. i went to the dr and got it fixed.

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    Only took 20 years (5.00 / 7) (#97)
    by santarita on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:15:33 PM EST
    Th whole sorry saga shows why it's not so good use religion for political purposes.

    I can be a regular politician when I have to (5.00 / 7) (#100)
    by Saul on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:16:36 PM EST
    Talk about political  expediency

    We come a long way baby

    Here is part of his race speech not so long ago.


    That has been my experience at Trinity. Like other predominantly black churches across the country, Trinity embodies the black community in its entirety - the doctor and the welfare mom, the model student and the former gang-banger. Like other black churches, Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear. The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

    And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

    I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother - a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

    These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love.



    Wright was right (5.00 / 11) (#123)
    by Saul on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:33:29 PM EST
    When he said, Obama is a politician and politicians must do what politicians do to be elected.

    I find this to be a sad (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by DFLer on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:34:37 PM EST
    sad situation. At the same time, watching MSNBC, I'm reading a scroll that says the Catholic Church will excommunicate anyone who advocates women priests.

    A pox on all organized religion!

    No, they will excommunicate (none / 0) (#200)
    by FlaDemFem on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:40:50 PM EST
    anyone who ordains a woman priest, along with the woman priest. You can advocate all you want(they won't listen anyway), you just can't do it.

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    Hmm, what if it's only a rumor (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by Cream City on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:36:34 PM EST
    that is wrong, to make him explain that it's wrong -- and that he is, well, "clinging" to his church?

    By resigning, he didn't renounce!! (5.00 / 1) (#135)
    by zfran on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:42:11 PM EST
    or disassociate, ir disavow. Big difference!!!!!

    And now he says he will not (5.00 / 1) (#191)
    by zfran on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:47:34 PM EST
    denounce the church. Major Garrett just said SD's wanted to see him distance himself from this church, but Obama said this wasn't a political decision. "We report, you decide"

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    da da, da da da (5.00 / 4) (#137)
    by OxyCon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:43:52 PM EST
    Obama throws another one under the bus
    da da, da da da
    And another one gone, and another one gone
    da da, da da da

    The Audacity! (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by OxyCon on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:50:45 PM EST
    What happens to Obama's book, which he based on his Church experience at Trinity United?
    He threw the Church under the bus. Does this mean he has to get a new title for his book?

    Nah but (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by BrandingIron on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:03:49 PM EST

    someone should write (Wright?) a parody of it called The Audacity of a Dope.

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    I still like (2.00 / 4) (#156)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:08:46 PM EST
    It Takes an Obliterated Village.

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    more importantly, does he have to (none / 0) (#211)
    by cpinva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:36:35 PM EST
    return the royalties?

    He threw the Church under the bus. Does this mean he has to get a new title for his book?


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    I'm not unifying with this mess (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by SamJohnson on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:59:14 PM EST
    Didn't Fr. Flager actually campaign for Obama in Iowa? Axelrod has had a deal to do some type of documentary with him for years. What do Democrats need to see that Obama is one huge train wreck that is just starting? What it will expose about those who are behind his assent will be very, very unpretty for the Democratic Party. Where is the ethical and moral leg that Obama and the Democrats will have to stand on during the GE? I say go with Clinton already and save us all from this mess.  

    How can ANYONE think this man (5.00 / 5) (#162)
    by MarkL on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:09:35 PM EST
    is either electable now???
    What a clumsy oaf.


    well said sir (5.00 / 2) (#167)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:13:01 PM EST
    As we blog Obama is on Fox news right now (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by Saul on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:12:05 PM EST
    Obama reason for resigning is so Trinity Church can be taken out of the limelight. To many reporters there scrutinizing the church.   Like he really doing it for the benefit of the church and not the real reason of  political expediency.

    Bah humbug! (5.00 / 2) (#173)
    by Fabian on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:15:53 PM EST
    Altruism is not Obama's defining trait.  It's something a little less Other centered and a whole lot more Self centered.

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    Will he resign from the Oval Office ... (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by RonK Seattle on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:33:45 PM EST
    ... when that gets too much scrutiny?

    I gave him a "well done" on first report, but it turns out it's just another lame evasion.

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    yawnnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 3) (#169)
    by cpinva on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:13:17 PM EST
    yep, no one will remember this come the GE. i'm sure it'll be forgotten by then, assuming sen. obama is the dem. nominee. oh, except for the 9 trillion people who'll see the repub. 527 commercial, the one where obama's and wright's faces merge to become one.

    aside from that, no one.

    however did sen. obama get into harvard law? more to the point, how did he possibly graduate?

    I go away for an hour (5.00 / 3) (#172)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:15:01 PM EST
    and all he** breaks loose.  Watching the Obama press conference, honestly we will replace Bush with him?   OH>>>MY GAWD.  

    Stellaaa, if you've been gone an hour (5.00 / 1) (#185)
    by MMW on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:25:58 PM EST
    How much could you possibly have smoked to think he will actually manage to get elected? :)


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    good point... (none / 0) (#186)
    by Stellaaa on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:28:47 PM EST
    I cannot believe (5.00 / 2) (#183)
    by americanincanada on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:22:58 PM EST
    I am watching a democrat talk like this at a press conference. Our forfathers must be rolling in their graves.

    He never had spiritual relations with that church (5.00 / 2) (#206)
    by makana44 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:32:42 PM EST
    I want to say one thing to the American people.
    I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have spiritual relations with that church, Trinity Church. Never. These allegations are false.

    Now who's giving who a b---job here? And who's going to believe him?

    Oh, now I get it! (4.94 / 19) (#20)
    by Robot Porter on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:55:09 PM EST
    It takes Obama twenty years to make the right decision.

    Last time I checked presidential terms are somewhat shorter than twenty years.

    LOL (5.00 / 6) (#34)
    by Andy08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:58:23 PM EST
    That is indeed a sharp observation !!

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    some will say (4.40 / 5) (#47)
    by Turkana on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:42 PM EST
    "too little, too late," but a lot of people had been saying he needed to make a strong statement, in response to pfleger. this is a strong statement.

    This is NOT a strong statement. (5.00 / 18) (#61)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:05:41 PM EST
    Obama is doing what he thinks will save his behind.

    That is the one consistency in everything he does.

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    He should have considered this BEFORE (5.00 / 13) (#98)
    by nycstray on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:15:48 PM EST
    he ran and used both pastors on his campaign.

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    Let's remember he disinvited Wright to (5.00 / 7) (#117)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:26:33 PM EST
    the announcement of obama running for president (after 140 days as a U.S. Senator) because he knew Wright might cause a problem, so for him to wait this long on the Wright debacle and now the Pfleger debacle, after having them work on his campaign is pure bullsh!t, plain and simple.

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    Some exercise (5.00 / 10) (#115)
    by befuddled on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:24:34 PM EST
    better food, new friends, an agenda with substance, personality transplant, and a time machine to the past so he can start over. Seriously, a person can wound himself only so many times.

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    I would not suggest (5.00 / 6) (#118)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:26:36 PM EST
    Obama drop out, except as snark. I leave the bullying to him, his supporters and the media.

    If he had a time machine and could go back about 10 years, then I think this would have been a good move. At this point it just reeks of opportunism.

    Seems like the same old politics for me.

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    What to do, what to do? (5.00 / 2) (#160)
    by NWHiker on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:02:48 PM EST
    This might placate some people, but for me, the problem is the past 20 years: nothing he can do about that.

    However leaving was, imo, a rotten thing to do: as others have mentioned, welcome under the bus, TUCC.

    What I, personally, would have respected more, would have been a statement of apology, and a clear commitment to helping really change things at the Church, if that is what is needed. A "I'll stay and fight to make this place better, an inclusive place, what it should be" as opposed to "ick! get away from me!" which is how I see this. An admission that he effed by asking these pastors/priests to advise him campaign.

    He sat and listened to this stuff for 20 years. If he expects me -and I suspect others- to honestly beleive that he was listening to a different message than the ones we've been privy to, he darn well better get that message out. If his (former) church was about true Christian values, he had better highlight them, and stick with 'em, rather that just saying 'bad, bad, bad' and leaving people to wonder why he stayed there for so long.

    I'm an atheist, with no ties to organised religion at all, for the record.


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    It's not a PR problem, Lego (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:21:42 PM EST
    It's a reality problem. That's what you don't see when you say "What should he do, then?"  It's not a matter of what he does, it's a matter of who he is.

    A new hairstyle, a wonderful speech, a photo op in a polyester leisure suit, don't cut it.

    He's unelectable.  And if he should be elected against all odds, it will be a failure of OUR judgment, and I think this amateur hour president will cause us to remember GW with nostalgia.

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    Strong? (5.00 / 9) (#110)
    by txpolitico67 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:20:46 PM EST
    If weak is the new strong, yeah

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    Some might say (4.91 / 12) (#56)
    by Cal on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:03:44 PM EST
    Strongly suggests he is a self-serving coward.

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    And some might say (2.25 / 4) (#69)
    by 1jane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:08:25 PM EST
    he makes considered decisions, doesn't rush to judgement or judge another without deliberation.

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    If it takes (5.00 / 19) (#80)
    by LoisInCo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:13 PM EST
    him that long to deliberate about Iraq, we WILL be there 100 years.

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    Anyone who says that is a naive fool. (5.00 / 11) (#82)
    by masslib on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:24 PM EST
    Yes they might. Especially if you add (5.00 / 10) (#94)
    by nycstray on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:14:37 PM EST
    "political" in the middle of "considered decisions"

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    the right thing to do (4.33 / 3) (#2)
    by bjorn on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:51:16 PM EST
    it may be late, but it was the right thing to do and I give him points for that

    I understand what you're saying (5.00 / 21) (#11)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:53:54 PM EST
    but it makes no difference now.

    The damage is done.

    Now he is just reinforcing the impression that he will throw anyone under the bus in order to fulfill his personal ambitions.

    Pfleger was someone who was on his Catholic Outreach team.

    Think about that. He thought that person was an appropriate emissary to reach out to Catholic voters.

    That's not judgment that I'm very impressed with.

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    amen sister friend...:) Did michelle quit too? (4.85 / 7) (#64)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:06:57 PM EST
    it is terrible judgment (3.25 / 4) (#27)
    by bjorn on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:48 PM EST
    I am convinced he surrounds himself with angry people because he can't do anger...but, and it is a big but, I think every candidate has flaws, deep ones because we are all human.  He has to move on from the mistake.

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    We are all human indeed (5.00 / 12) (#48)
    by madamab on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:58 PM EST
    but the problem here is, that Obama's flaws will prevent him from being the President we need at this critical juncture.

    We need a decisive, pragmatic and progressive voice in the Oval Office right now. Obama is just not that guy.

    I have very little hope for November right now if the Party nominates him.

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    Points? (5.00 / 20) (#19)
    by Davidson on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:54:50 PM EST
    For trying to save his skin?  Please.

    This is way too late.  Twenty long years and he said nothing?  C'mon.  And he didn't even apologize to Clinton when Pfleger's remarks came out.

    What nonsense.  The Republicans are going to eat him alive.  And the DNC.

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    How about the church (5.00 / 12) (#21)
    by waldenpond on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:55:41 PM EST
    What do you think they feel?  I'm sure they will publicly say it's fine because they want him elected, but in private... maybe they accept he has to put on a public face.  I would find the person to be a hypocrite, but that's me.

    BTW Obama has never apologized for the actual statements nor to the persons they were directed at.  Just passive-aggressive statements about uniting not dividing.  

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    Obama isn't responsible (1.00 / 7) (#79)
    by 1jane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:11:04 PM EST
    for what others say. If you call him a *&%$# am I responsible for your behavior?

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    That would depend on whether you (5.00 / 18) (#108)
    by Jake Left on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:20:08 PM EST
    consider me to be your spiritual leader. Whether you have boasted for twenty years about how I was like father to you. Whether you listened to the same words for twenty years and soaked up all the political good will that came from supporting me.

    If so, you would bear some responsibility.

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    Obama participated in this church (5.00 / 17) (#113)
    by hookfan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:23:58 PM EST
    with these values for 20 years. He is responsible for that. He's exposed his kids to this bigotry for years. He's responsible for that. He called Rev. Wright his "mentor" who has worked to develope these values in this church. He's responsible for that relationship too. He's given thousands of dollars in support of the church that we now see their values. He's responsible for that too.

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    Points for being a hypocrite (5.00 / 16) (#23)
    by masslib on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:07 PM EST
    and showing terrible jdugement?  LOL.  I don't.

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    the right thing to do? when you do something (5.00 / 8) (#36)
    by hellothere on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:02 PM EST
    for the wrong reason at the wrong time, it means nothing. all it says is more and more is coming out about the attitude of his church. that's all.


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    bjorn...you are so much more forgiving than (5.00 / 10) (#41)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:40 PM EST
    most of us....HE DID IT TO ONCE AGAIN COVER HIS BUTT WHEN HE GETS CORNERED.  There is no honor in that.  He is not an honorable man; I wonder if he even knows how to be.  Now I am really convinced he is having trouble with his presumptive nomination.

    But I do like you... :)

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    I agree.... (4.75 / 4) (#28)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:57:01 PM EST
    ...I think it was made easier for him too by the fact that their actions on Sunday made it real plain that they are not trying to be helpful to him.

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    I Know This Alternative Reasoning...... (4.00 / 1) (#119)
    by HsLdyAngl on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:27:28 PM EST
    May not be readily considered here on TL, but could one of the reasons for Obama disaffiliating himself with Trinity United Church of Christ be that Trinity is being subjected to continual media microscopic scrutiny since Obama began running for the Democratic nomination????

    In order to leave Trinity to care for its parishioners and continue its social networking to improve the community, perhaps Obama and Trinity came to a joint agreement that it would be in the best interests of Trinity, for Obama to leave the church.

    I f you people weren't (1.36 / 11) (#112)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:23:16 PM EST
    so pathetic, you'd be hilarious.

    Hagee & Co have face-to-faces with McCain and Lieberman to better expedite Armageddon in the M.E and to solidify their status as useful loons for "regime change" and all anyone can talk about is how much our exquisitly tender sensibilities have been violated by Wright and Father P telling us that the U.S isnt Pirate Island on a sunny day with free taffy and pirate hats, and that Our Lady might not be the reincarnation of Jeanne d'Arc.

    Oh the humanity!

    It's hopeless jondee.... (5.00 / 1) (#215)
    by kdog on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:27:27 AM EST
    The day the issues died man...

    Bye Bye Ms. American Pie
    Drove my Chevy to the polls but the polls were dry
    Them good ol' parties stack their money sky-high
    Singing "We'll be dead before the dream dies"

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    How would you feel if Hillary's pastor mocked and (4.90 / 10) (#128)
    by leis on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:36:20 PM EST
    ridiculed Obama? Do you honestly f*cking think it would be a non story? Get a grip.

     I could give a sh*t what these guys say about anything but they use the pulpit to MAKE FUN of another person.  

    Is this really an issue you want to defend Obama on?

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    These people aren't allowed (1.80 / 5) (#145)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:51:21 PM EST
    to be mocked and ridiculed? What is she, a sacred bull from the temple of Shiva?

    I say mock Obama all you want as long as you mock the murdering neocon scum more.

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    I never said she is above being made fodder for (5.00 / 3) (#148)
    by leis on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:58:32 PM EST
    political points, but we are talking about a church, in case you missed that really HUGE point. Pastors that use the pulpit to make fun of another human being.  

    I am almost sure you recognize the difference.  

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    My "Church" (2.33 / 3) (#154)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:06:26 PM EST
    is the one described in Leaves of Grass, so no, Im sorry, but I dont see or care about the difference.

    Btw, I listen to Jimmy Swaggart on occasion to keep tabs on what the nuts are up to, and I can tell you that he mocks people quite frequently, so the phenomenon isnt exactly unheard of.

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    Good thing Jimmy (2.33 / 3) (#159)
    by jondee on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:31:19 PM EST
    Swaggart isnt Obama's Pastor. But wait, the fundamentalists believe in the Rapture which dovetails nicely with the "Greater Israel" beliefs of the zionist-right Board of AIPAC, which shoots alot of dough Hillary's way, so, if the Pastor were Swaggart or John Hagee, we'd probobly have to leave them alone.

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    Hey, sport (none / 0) (#196)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:25:11 PM EST
    Did you see the topic of this thread?

    If it doesn't appeal, find another discussion! What's the problem?

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    I dont know (none / 0) (#25)
    by ajain on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:56:20 PM EST
    I feel weird about this.
    Leaving your church so that you can run for president.

    But I don't know, must have been a very difficult decision.

    Not difficult at all (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by angie on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:59:36 PM EST
    IMO, he is only resigning until after the election. This is for "show" -- no more no less.

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    Until after the election? (5.00 / 1) (#171)
    by Molly Pitcher on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:14:03 PM EST
    Shoot--he's figuring that after the election he'll be attending church in DC.  And it is up to us to somehow make sure he's not there to do it.

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    What? (none / 0) (#199)
    by Upstart Crow on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:37:21 PM EST
    I don't get this, Molly. Are you suggesting we become babysitters or what?

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    actually i think it was very easy. he was (5.00 / 6) (#46)
    by hellothere on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:00:22 PM EST
    forced to do for political reasons and he joined for politcal reasons. nothing difficult there just convenient.

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    I haven't seen Obama sweat over (5.00 / 5) (#164)
    by MarkL on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:11:01 PM EST
    ANYTHING. This was not difficult for him.
    Two things pissed him off this primary season: Hillary's obvious, huge superiority over him in the debates, and Wright calling him a politician.

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    I feel weird too but.... (4.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Maria Garcia on Sat May 31, 2008 at 04:58:42 PM EST
    ...in a way I think they left him. Can they have been so clueless as to not realize that they just can't have sermons like this, tape record them, and expect for it not to matter?

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    A church should (5.00 / 10) (#50)
    by LoisInCo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:01:14 PM EST
    not change one iota for one member to be elected to office. If he expected them to, that goes double against his judgement.

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    At least the church (5.00 / 9) (#105)
    by hookfan on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:18:28 PM EST
    is sticking by their beliefs with integrity, even though they are wrong imo. But Obama? What is he sticking by other than his ambition? Remember his kids have been in this milieu for some time. Where was his concern for what values they were being fed, before it became a liability for him?

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    Why can't they? (5.00 / 1) (#216)
    by kdog on Sun Jun 01, 2008 at 10:32:44 AM EST
    Pat Robertson has his own network for god's sake...or should I say satan's sake...or better of all Robertson's sake:)

    Compared to the crap the evangelicals are shoveling, Trinity is tame.

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    Online link anywhere? (none / 0) (#59)
    by gmo on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:04:22 PM EST
    Don't see it confirmed anywhere - not cnn.com, no sites, except here.  Any more details, anyone?

    You might already have these (none / 0) (#149)
    by Rhouse on Sat May 31, 2008 at 05:58:49 PM EST
    But here you go, the first is HuffPO (for laughs) the second is ABC
    http://tinyurl.com/5qn5pg
    http://tinyurl.com/5p8p32

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    For anyone who gives a godd+mn about it (none / 0) (#155)
    by Rhouse on Sat May 31, 2008 at 06:08:44 PM EST
    Obama is supposed to comment on it around 8 or 8:15pm tonight.  Me I'll be baking a birthday cake.

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    Twisted spinning going on (none / 0) (#174)
    by bluejane on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:16:12 PM EST
    Last night on Greta's FOX show Pamela Gentry of BET News was interviwed saying Father Pfleger's "white entitlement" comment in his tirade against Hillary Clinton "had been made before in a different form when Gov Richardson said that Clinton had a sense of entitlement in her run for the presidency." Her remark was disingenuous in the extreme and knowingly misleading. The word "entitlement" used by Gov Richardson was in reference to his sense of Hillary's supposed POLITICAL entitlement (as in "after many years, now it's my turn" as Richardson read her mind), not RACIAL entitlement (as in, "I'm white. I'm entitled to the presidency. It's mine!" as Father Pfleger said in his tirade). [Zapped an e-mail to Pam Gentry at BET News]

    Two, Tweety on today's show covering BHO's "resignation" from Trinity spoke of Dem Party as "many faces of Beniton" broad enough to include people like Pfleger charactaized as "a little too wild" while Maddow sat there like bump on log (I used to love her until she began to go along to get along with The Boyz) with no objection to Tweety's downplay of Pfleger's scurrulous racist/hate attack on Hillary.

    Funny (none / 0) (#181)
    by Randinho on Sat May 31, 2008 at 07:22:37 PM EST
    I saw the breaking news report, and given the fact that the Rules Committee had not returned yet, they were probably eager to fill the void with some real news. They all seemed to breathing normally, by the way.

    Can Harvard "dump" Obama now? (none / 0) (#194)
    by MarkL on Sat May 31, 2008 at 08:06:27 PM EST


    BO - he's getting cleaned up for his victory party (none / 0) (#205)
    by dwmorris on Sat May 31, 2008 at 09:31:34 PM EST


    Big Freaking Deal. (none / 0) (#207)
    by nclblows on Sat May 31, 2008 at 10:05:44 PM EST
    Everyone who cares, raise your....

    No spiritual relations (none / 0) (#208)
    by makana44 on Sat May 31, 2008 at 11:19:34 PM EST
    I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me: I did not have spiritual relations with that church, Trinity Church. Never. These allegations are false.
    B. H. Obama.

    just moments ago DEFINITELY makes up for his having until just momentss ago been a strong supporter of Trinity and its racist sexist cheering church crowd.

    Tell me again why this in itself is insufficient to sink his damaged candidacy which was already weak from the very beginning?