Our votes should count the same.  That's democracy.

If Obama is the nominee, the Dems are toast.

If it does, Obama will have to throw her under the bus.  Then he might as well join her.  :(

From Naked Politics (go there to read the entire thing)

Now, on May 31, 2008, a group of elitist insiders of the DNC have effectively said that some of my ancestors' progeny equal only 1/2 and that men and women in Florida who voted on January 29th are 1/2 also.  For a Party which will crown its historic nominee on the 45th anniversary of Dr. King's `I Have a Dream' speech, the DNC's decision today is tragically ironic.

As a matter of protest, I do not intend to attend the Democratic National Convention in Denver.

Interestingly, the talk turned to popular vote and delegate counts etc. and I was taken aback and surprised. Here are Republicans (who I now guess may have voted for Hillary) deeply engaged in this Dem. primary -- and heck, knew about things like the differences between caucus and primary vote counts in several Western states.

"If you can keep your head when all about you
    Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
 If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
    But make allowance for their doubting too,
 If you can wait and not be tired by the waiting
   Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
   Or being hated don't give way to hating"

 If you can meet with Triumph and disaster
  And treat those two imposters just the same
 Or watch the thing you gave your life to, broken
 And stoop and build em up with worn out tools.

 And if you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
  Or walk with Kings and nor lose the common      touch,
  If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you   and all men count with you
    Yours is the earth and everything that is in it.

Hillary will be fine and should shun any so called "unity ticket"

How many more televised trainwrecks are the Party Leadership planning between here and Election Day?

If this is the infighting they're content to let the public see, the power struggle behind closed doors must be about as bad as our own little shrillosphere.

It does remind me of Carter-Kennedy in 1980, which had more ideological content, but was also a personality-driven power struggle.

Maybe one day we'll get the inside story as to why the Obama team kept playing hardball when they had the inside track to the nomination instead of using the opportunity to be magnaminous to Florida and Michigan. Even if the tediously self-important RBC still insisted on having things its way, Obama could have plausibly staked out a position more empathetic with the voters.

I won't address Hillary's lost opportunity because I don't understand her strategy or her tactics and the implications as to whether she either really thought this was a good idea herself or was influenced by the lame advice of her staff or had some backroom maneuvering ulterior motives just puts my head on the critical edge of exploding.

I mentioned this in the prior thread, but I wanted to bring it up again.

It was mentioned during the meeting by the fellow of the Michigan Democratic Party that Barack Obama received about 30,000 write-in's that were previously NOT counted.  If you add that to the prior total (594,398) then we come up with 624,398.

That drops Senator Clinton's percentage in the state from 55.2% to 52.6%.

I know that delegates aren't necessarily awarded strictly by percentages, but that would take away three delegates from her (70.4 to 67.3).

Instead of going off about how Senator Clinton was stripped of delegates, can we please find out if the reason for her dropping a few delegates is due to this reason?

it seems to me, the time has come to move on and to plan another way forward.  the past teaches us how easy it is for number two to foil the nominee.  team obama must heed these lessons.

for all the democrats won over by mccain today, obama must equalize with new democrats of all stripes.