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Hoyer Still Desperate To Capitulate On Telco Immunity

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Civil Liberties
Posted on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:28:19 PM EST
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Via mcjoan, Hoyer is at it again:

Telecom companies have presented congressional Democrats with a set of proposals on how to provide immunity to the businesses that participated in a controversial government electronic surveillance program, a House Democratic aide said Wednesday.

. . . House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.) said Wednesday a FISA deal is “still in flux” but he described the latest developments as “promising” and said he hoped to have a solution soon.

Hoyer is a piece of work. He wants to capitulate sooooo baaaad.

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    Hoyer Still Desperate To Capitulate On Telco Immunity | 16 comments (16 topical)

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    No Way, No How The Telecoms Should (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:30:15 PM EST
    have immunity; and Hoyer should be dethroned, along with alot of the other supposed leaders.

    ARGH! (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by AX10 on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:31:07 PM EST
    No wonder so many believe he Democrats are just as bad as the Republicans.

    Can Hoyer and Pelosi ever do anying to hold Bush accountable?

    well - it's a lot easier (none / 0) (#16)
    by Josey on Thu May 08, 2008 at 05:19:01 PM EST
    than holding "hope and change" accountable.
    And btw - I thought Obama is supposed to have super powers
    to "unite" the states and THE WORLD!
    How about him starting with Dems in Congress!


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    AAAAAACK! (5.00 / 3) (#3)
    by madamab on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:34:10 PM EST
    This is one of my big issues. No, no, NO to Hoyer and his corporate cronies!

    Must we deny Americans any justice or recompense for the violations of their civil rights? We've already got the Patriot Act and the MCA; we've lost habeas corpus and our elected and appointed officials pretend that waterboarding isn't torture and the Geneva Conventions are "quaint."

    There's a reason why Pelosi didn't want Hoyer in a position of power. He is a complete and total shill.

    For the Record (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by CST on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:34:34 PM EST
    Barack Obama (D-Ill.) voted against immunity for telecoms, and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), voted to keep immunity in the bill.

    Just one more reason...

    meanwhile the senate follows Hillary (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:48:35 PM EST
    Democrats in the U.S. Senate on Wednesday unveiled a new energy package that would revoke $17 billion in tax breaks extended to big oil companies like Exxon Mobil Corp and slap a 25 percent windfall profits tax

    Wonderful.... (none / 0) (#9)
    by kdog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:58:23 PM EST
    that will make prices go down at the pump...NOT!

    Doesn't Hillary, in her infinite wisdom, realize that any new tax on a corporation gets passed on down the line until the end user ends up eating it?  

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    Nothing will make prices go down at the pump (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by scribe on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:22:06 PM EST
    unless and until demand decreases.

    FWIW, in Germany, per their radio news, a liter is going for Euro 1.45.

    That works out (at $1.54/1 Euro) to about $2.24/liter, and thus (at 3.79 liters/gallon) to $8.49 a gallon.  You and me, paying less than half that, are (to their eyes) living in paradise.

    Of course, a lot of their price at the pump goes to taxes which not only keep their roads a lot nicer than ours, but support mass transit and a lot of other socially beneficial purposes.  But Republicans don't do that - they figure out ways to waste gas because that pushes sales.

    So, do the following:

    • tune your car properly - getting a $200 tuneup will amortize itself (at $3.50/gallon) in about 4000 miles if you have an average car (like mine)
    • drive conservatively - your best economical performance is at between 1000 and 2000 RPM
    • if you have a manual transmission, get into the highest gear possible as quickly as possible - the difference between 4th and 5th gear at 35 mph works out to about 16% less gas used in 5th
    • inflate your tires properly - that's good for another 5 percent less gas used
    • eliminate idling, needless trips, and all the rest of the wasteful practices you know you should get rid of.

    It's boring, it's unsexy, and it works.

    Or, you can just open your wallet wider.


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    Oh, yeah., I forgot (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by scribe on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:25:09 PM EST
    F*ck Hoyer.

    When I hit the lotto, I'm moving to his district just to run a self-financed primary against him and grind him and his career into the dust.

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    I've been driving less..... (none / 0) (#13)
    by kdog on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:27:50 PM EST
    It's not me I'm worried about though...it's the small trucking company and Joe Blow who is barely keeping his head above water.

    Passing new taxes is akin to kickin' Joe Blow in the nuts.  Exxon will not just eat any new taxes, they will pass it down to you and me...guaranteed.  

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    Obama Hits the House Floor (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by OxyCon on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:49:43 PM EST
    Obama Hits the House Floor
    By Shailagh Murray

    House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer bowed gallantly and gave Obama a big hug. The Maryland Democrat is neutral -- officially at least.

    I smell money (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by DandyTIger on Thu May 08, 2008 at 04:10:22 PM EST
    Did Hoyer get some campaign contributions for this? Why would he be doing this? Doesn't make any sense. We've got companies that broke the law. I don't care who asked them to break the law, they broke it. And the particular law and what they did is very insidious. I would like to send a message to governments and companies alike about this issue. It's too important.

    ok, so he needs to be replaced. (4.00 / 0) (#5)
    by TruthMatters on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:39:06 PM EST
    this man does not deserve to be Majority leader.

    I would just like to record this historic moment.. (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by madamab on Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:56:12 PM EST
    TruthMatters, I agree with you.

    Unity at last! :-)

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    I am waiting (none / 0) (#10)
    by waldenpond on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:17:50 PM EST
    to see if they cave on this.  I imagine it will affect my downticket vote.

    Contact your representatives (none / 0) (#14)
    by shoephone on Thu May 08, 2008 at 03:31:31 PM EST
    I just spoke to my rep's office. He is an unabashed liberal who is against Bush on every single issue but his office told me "don't wory", "it's the blue dogs, we've got to appease them so they don't vote with Republicans", "they're worried about re-election", and a whole lot of other excuses that simply don't pass muster. I pointed out that if the Dems are willing to compromise away my constitutional rights for the sake of their re-election bids then I am no longer a Democrat and this is no longer America.

    Call your reps and tell them you are not going to put up with their namby-pamby sh*t! They either vote to protect our constitutional rights or they will pay the price.

    I am now officially fed up with the Democratic party. The party is dead to me.

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