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Posted on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:28:29 AM EST
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    Thank you Jeralyn (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:41:19 AM EST
    for a well moderated forum. I was on another site and they kept complaining about being deleted here. And some of the things they were saying really turned my stomache(about Obama). It must be very difficult to keep a balance and I don't envy you the job.

    Convention delegate roll call (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by FemB4dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:16:31 AM EST
    Has anyone been following the discussion over whether Hillary will get a roll call of her delegates at the convention?

    Why shouldn't she?  Jesse Jackson did in 1984.  What gives here?  Is Obama really that weak of a candidate that the party is afraid the public will see that he won't make the "magic number" of delegates until, what, when Washington is called, maybe Wyoming?  (LOL, maybe West Virginia).

    Dean has said no roll call.  Jeralyn, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.  Isn't it the least the party owes Hillary for her agreeing to not take the fight to the convention?  And doesn't the party owe it to us, her voters?  

    The insults just keep piling up (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by otherlisa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:23:04 AM EST
    The closest Democratic primary in how many years, and they want to pull a demeaning stunt like this?

    Do these guys want to win in the fall? Seriously.

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    That is just so (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:38:32 AM EST
    bizarre to me. I don't see any reason for it other than he wants to complete the public shaming of Hillary Clinton.

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    Before or after she unites the party? (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:44:58 AM EST


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    Isn't it more likely to be a way to control (none / 0) (#56)
    by Newt on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:59:47 AM EST
    the perception of a unified party?  It's not about shaming as much as power, or the perception of power.

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    gawd (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by boredmpa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:01:15 AM EST
    i swear, most of the democratic party has been failing my is-this-person dateable test.

    unity, democracy, process?

    i call passive-aggressive shenanigans yet again.


    A person with this disorder may appear to comply with another's wishes and may even demonstrate enthusiasm for them. However, the requested action is either performed too late to be helpful, performed in a way that is useless, or is otherwise sabotaged to express anger that cannot be expressed verbally.


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    Hey Howard Dean!!!!!!!! (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:20:57 AM EST
    I want my party back!!!

    Sincerely,

    A Concerned Voter.

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    Howard Dean responds: (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:26:20 AM EST
    Voters please file in triplicate. Your concerns will be addressed no later than December 2008. Donors please head to the front of the line.

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    P.S. (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:28:10 AM EST
    Be assured we'll have a national conversation about this.  

    Hugs and Unity,

    Howard.

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    A song (none / 0) (#21)
    by LoisInCo on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:08:09 AM EST
    that applies to this topic here.

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    Slate covers Bilderberg Conference (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by otherlisa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:21:52 AM EST
    questions the media blackout and talks about Bilderberger Jim Johnson at some length.

    Is it just me, or is life resembling an X-Files episode - one of the ones with Cigarette Smoking Man?

    Link here.

    X files Yes (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by kelsweet on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:10:27 AM EST
    i said the same thing to my husband the other day. He thinks i may be a lil paranoid. I disagree and am glad to see someone is in agreement with me. Does not bode well.

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    I vote for Millenium myself. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:14:03 AM EST
    In that series the secret organization that was supposed to be protecting us from the forces of evil turned out to be corrupt and self serving.

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    Just because you are paranoid (none / 0) (#78)
    by soccermom on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:32:09 AM EST
    doesn't mean you're crazy.

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    I gotta wonder about this group (none / 0) (#52)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:31:43 AM EST
    and if they aren't similar to a lot of other "top level" secretive groups that meet around the world?  

    Seriously...  If they had a week-long meeting, would they pick a night to dress in funny costumes and drink heavily like the Conquistadores del Cielo?  Or would they possibly have sharpshooting contests like the Rancheros Vistadores?  

    Do these groups tend to promote social ties between high level executives?  Probably...  Is business discussed?  Possibly...  

    But does all that mean there is something nefarious about the group?  Probably not.    

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    it's a really dumb video (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by boredmpa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:06:52 AM EST
    i mean seriously?  "the mccain clinic" where no options exist cause he vetoed mandating prescription coverage of birth control?

    i can't believe i just wasted 30+ seconds of my life watching that ad.  except for the comments, which were a hoot:


    Hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

    Obama supporters are trying to play the women card?

    McCain was more supportive and respectful of Hillary Clinton than any of you ever were.
    I was kinda diggin' the nurse's hat . . (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:33:57 AM EST
    For some reason it made me think of "One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest" . . .

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    When was the last time (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:27:31 AM EST
    you saw an actual nurse wear one of those things?

    It's easier to ID someone as working in health care by their scrubs.  The people who actually process your information are usually dressed in civilian clothes and they use as little paper as possible and aren't nurses.  Pay a nurse to do a clerk's job?  No way.

    (The scrubs thing is very ambiguous.  You could be a doc, a nurse, a lab technician or a housekeeper and wear scrubs.  Not only that, but often in a hospital, different departments use different colored or patterned scrubs.  But they ALL wear their security badges when they are on the job.  That's the best way to tell what their job is.)

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    well, the comments on that video (none / 0) (#60)
    by boredmpa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:11:58 AM EST
    made me think of misogyny in the primary and tangentially about a flash video i found a while back.

    so this is my snarky meta link on misogyny in the primary.

    note: not really safe for work (unless phallic dinosaurs are a-ok?)
    note: 10 minutes long
    note: one of the top 5 most bizarre things i've seen on the net

    Umm, a dinosaur movie called Cumbersnatch

    And yeah, i was just lookin for an excuse to post the link.  It's really totally unrelated. :P

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    Hillary Rodham Clinton running as an Independent (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Kedar on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:09:06 AM EST
    A recent Rasmussen Reports poll shows that twenty-nine percent of Democrats would support Senator Clinton running as an independent in the fall.  Why not?

    She would never do it (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Valhalla on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:21:34 AM EST
    She does believe in the Democratic Party, or at least the principles it held before the 'New Coalition' as represented by Dean, Pelosi and our friend, Donna Brazile took over.

    And she's an optimist.  I'm sure she thinks the party can be won back.  But she'll never be able to accomplish that, or contribute to that, if she runs as an independent.

    However, nearly 30% is a pretty hefty number.  Now why is Obama ignoring her supporters?

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    30% of Democrats is at best ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by cymro on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:15:35 AM EST
    ... 30% of 55% of voters (using an optimistic estimate of the Democrats' share). That is 16.5% of all voters. That would leave 70% of 55% for Obama, which would be 38.5%. McCain gets the other 45%.

    Can someone who understands math please explain again how Hillary can run as an independent?

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    No one says it's real (none / 0) (#49)
    by A little night musing on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:18:16 AM EST
    I would doubt she's considering it. It's just a question on a poll.

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    I'm sure she's not considering it (none / 0) (#53)
    by cymro on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:36:49 AM EST
    But I am not so sure if those supporters who keep raising the idea have ever considered the math. I suspect that most of them are actually McCain supporters trolling here to promote conflicts among Democrats. So I'm posting the math just in case anyone thinks it is a realistic possibility.

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    Perhaps they are the Dems from (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:52:46 AM EST
    under the bus . . . .

    I wouldn't write them off as McCain trolls. 39% of her supporters said they would stay home or vote McCain. A positive reaction to the question of her running Indie so soon after she dropped out (considering the circumstances) doesn't seem that off to me. Heck, if she ran Indie, I would vote for her.

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    I've even seen support (none / 0) (#64)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:05:30 AM EST
    for Hillary as McCain's VP.  

    I know she would never do it, but that's a ticket that has potential since he probably wouldn't run for more than one term.  

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    OK. Voting for Hillary makes sense ... (none / 0) (#79)
    by cymro on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:33:04 AM EST
    ... as a protest against the DNC, if she were an independent candidate. But (to me, at least) arguing that she should run does not make any sense. Because in the latter case, one has to take into account the consequences of that decision for Hillary herself. How can people who have supported her argue that she should commit political suicide?

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    I would never ask Hillary to do that. (none / 0) (#85)
    by samanthasmom on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:12:37 AM EST
    But Hillary started her political career as a "Goldwater Girl", and as the Democratic Party appears to be morphing itself into a party that looks more Republican, running with John McCain might not  be so far-fetched. I know it will never happen, but philosophically, it might not be such a stretch when Obama gets through the his "changes".

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    Clinton 3rd party numbers are incomplete. (none / 0) (#91)
    by wurman on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:37:40 AM EST
    If the polling shows Sen. Clinton at 30 percent of Dems, then . . .

    . . . what percentage of Independents would vote for her . . .

    . . . & what percentage of GOoPerz would cross-over & vote for her?

    And the 30 percent is present without her actually doing anything such as an exploratory committee, forming an organization, getting on the ballots in some states (too late for some, not possible for a few) & campaigning. Results from the primaries indicate she could easily raise those 30 points to at or above 50 percent.

    I don't think she'll consider it.  I'll bet that some of her biggest dollar donors have explored it.

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    50% of Dems AND Independents ... (none / 0) (#94)
    by cymro on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:48:23 AM EST
    ... would still be less than the Republicans voting for McCain.

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    It says a lot about (none / 0) (#32)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:21:53 AM EST
    people's unhappiness with the DNC and that most people prefer to vote FOR someone.

    I'd love to vote for Hillary Clinton but I don't think she's Independent material.  Too bad Clinton got stuck with such a lousy incarnation of the DNC.

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    Speaking of unhappiness with the DNC, (5.00 / 6) (#39)
    by FemB4dem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:36:39 AM EST
    I got an e-mail from David Plouffe today, via the DNC.  I had earlier instructed the DNC, by phone and e-mail, to remove me from their list and not to give me info to the BO campaign.  The DNC did it anyway.  If it were a corporation, I'd file a compalint with the FTC.  Anyone know if there's a law, or maybe an FEC requirment, about not sharing e-mail information?

    I spent time on the phone with a couple of very harried women at the DNC today, explaining my anger about this.  They took down my complaint and assured me they would pass it on.  I told one she sounded like she'd been dealing with a lot of these calls all day long -- she said they had been getting nothing but angry complaints for weeks now.

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    I set up my email (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by samanthasmom on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:19:54 AM EST
    to send auto-replies to anything coming into my mailbox from the Democrats or Obama saying that their mail was being spam-blocked.  I'm sure no one reads my auto-replies, but I don't have to deal with the email either. I vented once, but that just got me another email from "Howie' asking for money.  I decided to do something constructive with my feelings and have volunteered to work for the guy running against Kerry in the primary.  Every vote he gets will be like sticking a pin in a voodoo doll for me. He won't win, but Romney established himself in MA with a failed run against Kennedy so this may be a start.

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    It missed an obvious joke. (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:17:02 AM EST
    Many insurance companies cover Viagra(tm) prescriptions.

    So you could have an older gentleman come in with his full bottle of pills and ...

    Oh, I don't know - there are so many paths to choose from!  A bad Dole impersonation?  Have the man be the nurse's husband?  Have the man be the brunette's husband?  Go Jerry Springer and have the man be one's husband and the other's boyfriend?  Have the man be an internet salesman "Online drug sales - it's more than Viagra(tm) and Cialis(tm).  Get your BC pills safely and discretely online!".

    Better off supporting (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:04:44 AM EST
    Planned Parenthood than any politician.

    You can rely on Planned Parenthood.  Politicians?  Meh.

    Best not go there.... (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:10:46 AM EST
    There's all manner of drek from "Obama supporters" including Kos himself agreeing that Hillary Clinton was no longer a Democrat on a front page post.

    To me that was a waaaay bigger insult than b1+ch.  

    Can't speak for Kos, et. al. (none / 0) (#63)
    by Newt on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:39:50 AM EST
    but it's clear that the millions of women who voted for Obama were not Hillary haters.  Most people did exactly what you did - look at the candidates and make a reasoned decision.

    The nasty commenters don't represent me any more than they represent the candidate they thought they were supporting.  My personal feeling is that people in the Obama camp got so thrilled with the thought that their candidate could win, they felt blindsided  when Hillary's campaign didn't just fade away.  Just as she and her supporters must have felt in February when Obama suddenly started winning.  Hillary had a comeback, and when they saw her as the enemy to their dreams, they went on the attack.  I think there's some of that same attack mentality here at TL, and it comes out as disdain for anyone who chose to trust Obama.  But we're not all Koolaid drinkers.  Most of us thought it over carefully and voted with the best interests of our country in mind.  When you get off the blogs and start following the Obama mailing lists, that's when you meet the intelligent and respectable people who voted for him.  Those people are why I stand by my claim that it's the progressive movement behind him that will create the change we need.


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    I'll pass on the mailing lists. (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:41:29 AM EST
    It's fun to see the propaganda and I can entertain myself by critiquing it and watching the memes and narratives emerge and evolve.

    Politics is basically a huge marketing campaign which means that most of it will be misdirection, misrepresentation and various other puffery with studded with some facts.  Hardly the stuff I'm looking for.

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    I don't mean Campaign marketing lists, (none / 0) (#71)
    by Newt on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 06:11:09 AM EST
    I'm talking about the grassroots lists that bring out discussions like the ones on this blog,  except their focus is for that specific group of people.

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    Tech question: Closed threads and Firefox (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by alsace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 04:10:53 AM EST
    In Firefox (2.0.0.14), closed threads present as Flat, with no choice to change offered.  To read them nested (which is the only way to understand them) I must change to IE.  Any solutions for Firefox?  (There is no problem with open threads.)

    change your user options (none / 0) (#96)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:39:25 AM EST
    to nested for overflow comments. It's an option there.

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    That did it. Thanks, Jeralyn (none / 0) (#98)
    by alsace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:52:51 AM EST


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    Eek! (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:36:03 AM EST
    I've got to stop doing that!

    Visiting the big O, that is.  Obama's chances of winning Ohio were under discussion and commenters were claiming Obama by a landslide based on ponies and rainbows, apparently.  I used to find polls and statistics confusing and irritating because they only say What but not Why.  But thanks to Talk Left, I'm getting a better grip on polls, statistics, relevance and all that.  So if someone is claiming "Ohio by a landslide!", I want to see something to support that.  Two or three solid polls would be nice.

    Of course, there's the ironic "Obama doesn't need Ohio." electoral math.  True, Obama doesn't "need" Ohio's electoral votes to win.  But if Obama can't win over the dominant demographics in Ohio, he's going to be struggling in other states as well.  Some states are "battleground" states, but we should also consider certain states "bellwether" states.  I should watch the polls to see which state polls shift in concert with each other.  It should be easy enough to see statistical clusters.

    New Unity meme discovered.  You know how some people expect, nay demand Hillary and Bill to gift wrap and deliver her voters for Obama?  There was a commenter calling Strickland an unflattering name and insisting that Strickland single handedly gift wrap and deliver Ohio for Obama.

    Huh?  Certainly, a Democratic Governor should be expected to support and campaign for the Dem nominee - but holding a governor solely responsible for winning or losing a state is unrealistic, to put it politely.  Makes a great scapegoat though.  

    I find (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:48:11 AM EST
    it interesting that the Obama supporters are already making excuses for him losing in Nov.

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    Frankly (none / 0) (#75)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:07:43 AM EST
    I keep wondering how many of these over-the-top memes are actually the work of GOP trolls.

    Heaping unrealistic expectations on a Dem Governor and setting him up to be a scapegoat for any Dem loss in November is a good way to create resentment by Democrats against a first term Democratic Governor.  Nifty way to erode the Dem base by pitting Dem against Dem.

    That's one reason I stay away from the big O.  I'd swear the place has been infiltrated by the GOP.  I've never seen such a penchant for party infighting and divisive rhetoric before.  All any GOP moby would have to do is pretend to be a uber partisan Dem and spend their time attacking anyone and everyone who is less than 110% loyal.  It used to be challenging to do that, but now it would only take a little caution.

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    erm... (5.00 / 3) (#69)
    by kempis on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:56:38 AM EST
    The musings about birth control may be irrelevant, personally, to many of those that support HRC,

    Nice way to invite us onto the unity pony. "Look, I know most of y'all are post-menopausal and self-centered, but...."

    ;-)

    Jake Tapper (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:01:16 AM EST
    is reporting that David Boren will not endorse Obama for President nor attend the Democratic convention in August. He said that his district did not support Obama. Apparently there's a whole slate of Reps who are going to come out and state the same thing. Heath Shuler is the first one that comes to mind.

    Another little video (none / 0) (#4)
    by Newt on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:19:07 AM EST
    link

    Gee... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by otherlisa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:28:04 AM EST
    That's a familiar tune.

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    pssst! . . . . (5.00 / 3) (#8)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:37:33 AM EST
    kinda like the fear card, eh?  ;)

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    Newt, who needs it? (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:14:14 AM EST
    About that link to the video persuading women not to vote for McCain because he will rescind their "birth control options":

    Evidently you've not yet heard that most of Hillary's female supporters are in an age demographic that already knows all they need to know about birth control, and/or they no longer need it.

    Still, you should go to the obama sites and show this 'scary' video to Obama's female supporters, particularly those in the 18-29 year old group. They'll be all ears, I'm sure.

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    Newt, I was going for droll (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:56:51 AM EST
    in my comment - just wanted to clarify that:-)

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    C'mon, it's a joke. (none / 0) (#46)
    by Newt on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:03:54 AM EST
    I know who's on this list, I'm not playing a card or expecting to scare anyone. Really, I just thought it was funny.  

    Anyhow, stop treating me like you despise me just because I don't agree with you. I'm not a kid, I didn't drink the Koolaid, and I've worked on feminist issues for most of my life.  I'm sure we have much more in common than the one item we disagree about.

    replying to just myself because you've all rejected me, kicks toe in sand :(

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    has anyone (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 05:22:22 AM EST
    done more for feminist issues than you have?

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    C'mon Newt, to me it seemed like everybody (none / 0) (#50)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:18:57 AM EST
    responded without any personal animus (including me)! We got the joke.

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    Oh, the Doobies (none / 0) (#10)
    by shoephone on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:42:01 AM EST
    Tom Johnston looks great! Pat Simmons looks... really old.

    Used to love these guys. I remember learning to play "China Grove" on my Fender Tele. My past catches up with me. ;-)

    personally (none / 0) (#15)
    by A little night musing on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:51:39 AM EST
    I like this one


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    Barbra Streisand (none / 0) (#43)
    by Grace on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 02:44:54 AM EST
    I notice that her "statements" page on her official website hasn't been updated since February.  I wonder where she stands on supporting Obama since she was a huge Hillary supporter?  Has anyone heard anything?  

    Yes. Saw them live in London ... (none / 0) (#51)
    by cymro on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 03:30:29 AM EST
    ... in 1975 on the WB tour, with Little Feat, among others. Great show, lots of dry ice!

    (But I'm not sure Steve M would agree with this song title as the theme for the day ;-)

    Obama won't balance or liberalize SCOTUS (none / 0) (#77)
    by Ellie on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 07:12:26 AM EST
    His reach to increasingly radical right, religious groups indicates the opposite.

    Obama's own actions in that regard put him on the same trajectory as GW Bush to politicize what should be a neutral body -- THE most neutral body -- in govt.

    I wish Obama and his "brilliant" political campaign would speak straightforwardly and bluntly about preserving the neutrality and integrity of basic human rights accessible to all rather than activist religious groups that exploit extra-judicial persecution as a "political" or "religious" measure.    

    Many pro-Obama voices have attempted to apply guilt and threats on Clinton supporters by excessively deeming abortion and other reproductive rights the sole responsibility of her supporters and/or women generally.

    Your reachout rests on false assumptions both about the supporters, and the nature of reproductive rights as neutral human rights protected by the constution and as an interest impacting on the lives of people of all ages.

    Don't Ask Don't Tell (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by MO Blue on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:01:11 AM EST
    In a recent interview with The Advocate, a gay newsmagazine, Democrat Barack Obama stopped short of promising to lead the way for change, saying only that he can "reasonably see" a repeal of the current ban if elected president.

    Indeed, the gays-in-the-military issue has slid from being a top campaign pledge of President Clinton's to a footnote on the Democratic agenda even as some of its staunchest opponents soften their rhetoric and acknowledge that the nation's attitudes are changing. yahoo

    Seems that Obama may be more interested in his outreach to the religious right than in helping the gay community. How much more is he willing to give up to pander to them?

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    run Ron run (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 08:55:39 AM EST
    Ron Paul planning parallel convention to send GOP a 'strong message' in Minneapolis

    After being denied a speaking slot at the Republican convention this summer, former candidate Rep. Ron Paul, who is not supporting GOP nominee John McCain, has decided to stage his own parallel convention in Minneapolis.

    Who is behind this silliness? (none / 0) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:17:19 AM EST
    Is this a Dem rebelious group email or a GOP email? It reeks of GOP email to me...and a desperate attempt to sway Clinton fans

     **MEDIA ALERT**

     VOTERS RECLAIM THEIR VOICES AND VOW TO "JUST SAY NO DEAL"

     Explosion of rogue grassroots organizations coalesces overnight to form Mega-Coalition: JustSayNoDeal.com

    Either way I suspect this should head off to my spam folder

     

    Probably has more malware (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Fabian on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:32:34 AM EST
    than a p0rn site.

    That's my main reason for avoiding suspicious sites.  I don't want to spend a weekend cleaning my computer up.

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    thats exactly why I only do this stuff at work (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:34:49 AM EST
    but dont kid yourself that this is a GOP project.
    like I have been saying.  MANY democrats will never vote for Obama.


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    Hm (none / 0) (#88)
    by Steve M on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:28:01 AM EST
    Judging by their website it looks like a Dem group, or a former Dem group at any rate.

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    Well... (none / 0) (#93)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 09:43:26 AM EST
    I am on neither Clinton's nor Obama's mailing lists so it gave me pause for thought. I am on an NRA mailer because I have found they are very good at holding a polar opposite position of many of my stances thus telling me who to root against at times.

    Generally I can place exactly where group emails such as this originate but the only Dem emails I ever received were John Edwards and the DNC and the DNC got cutoff when they didn't push for a Florida revote

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    Oh, no, SCOTUS again (none / 0) (#95)
    by Cream City on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 10:24:46 AM EST
    Which decisions do you think are in peril?

    If this is your issue, more of concern to you ought to be your state legislature and courts.  That is where birth control access is under assault.  With daughters, you might want to get up to speed on this fast -- because they do mature fast these days.

    Btw, shockingly, some of us menopausal old broads also have daughters.  And we know that you don't wait until they reach their fertility years to find out whether they will have access to what they need.

    What we need is men to learn that, too.  Next issue, pls.

    Sexism Misogyny (none / 0) (#97)
    by waldenpond on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 11:07:03 AM EST
    Reprint from How Not to Make Friends in November:

    Just from the links I have handy: (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by eleanora on Fri May 16, 2008 at 09:06:52 AM PDT

    Real Clear Politics: Clinton Campaign Brought Sexism Out of Hiding

    Fayetteville Observer: Sexism in the Primaries

    WSJ: At the Barricades in the Gender Wars

    Newhouse: HIllary Hatred Finds Its Misogynistic Voice

    SFGATE: The Hidden "Ism"

    NYT: Politics and Misogyny

    NY Magazine: Has Hillary Clinton's Campaign Caused a Feminist Reawakening?

    Salon: Hey Obama Boys, Back off Already

    You don't see this discussed on Kos or TPM, but that's not because no one has noticed. I can find you tons more links if you'd like, and you could always check out the Hillary Clinton Sexism Watch at Shakesville. They're up to part 91 the last time I checked. Or you could just watch this. :(

    Shakesville's Hillary Sexism Watch (none / 0) (#99)
    by otherlisa on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 12:02:21 PM EST
    was over 100 last I checked.

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    ALERT-excuse the use of bandwidth (none / 0) (#100)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jun 11, 2008 at 01:26:12 PM EST
    but this is pretty important. I think people should know.  just got this from our IT department:

    There is an active exploit on the internet - currently on several major websites (linked off Yahoo for one).  Currently it is not known what sort of damage the exploit causes - but we're quite certain it's not desirable.  At this time the vulnerability is not patchable (it appears to be an Adobe Flash Player exploit).  IT would like to take this time to ask everyone to be especially diligent and keep your internet usage to business purposes.  We will be upping the sensitivity of the enterprise virus scan software to compensate for this event - you may notice that some websites do not behave as you would expect because of this.  

    and this:

    Someone at XXXXXX was the first XXX employee (to our knowledge) to be hit by this this morning.  He just went to some slideshow off yahoo, nothing out of the ordinary, running firefox, and the flash player in his browser, it seems, was hijacked by a bad ad, which then dumped an executable in his windows directory that the virus scanner caught.
    The point is that even if you're not doing anything wrong, you're still super vulnerable.  The flash player exploits are going to get more numerous, I'm sure, since the flash player is totally ubiquitous.  Then remember you have keep flash player up to date for each browser.  McAfee caught the .exe file by guessing it was bad (no signature for it), so my advice to you is if you have a machine at home today, run a good antivirus program that can detect things heuristically, regardless of whether or not you need extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme speed on your home machine.  Gone are the days of avoiding warez and XXX sites and trusting everything you execute being enough to make sure you don't get a virus.
    So if you don't run something at home, you are really asking for trouble.  Some of the clever viruses out there today are making news, like the one that encrypts your files and asks you to pay money to get the decryption key :)  If that's not a motivation to write more viruses of that type, I don't know what is.
    Related, I blocked all http traffic going to .cn (china) domains until I hear there's an updated flash player.  This particular exploit went to china to get it's executable payload.  If you can't get to a site in china, this is why.

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