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Now that a couple of ex-sex offenders have won the lottery -- not a very newsworthy event, despite this coverage -- expect "outraged" legislators to pursue laws prohibiting ex-sex offenders from buying lottery tickets.

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    I wouldn't wager against it.... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:23:52 PM EST
    and don't be surprised if there is a provivion in the fine print of the new legislation that makes it illegal for registered sex offenders to breath and drink water too.

    politically (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
    you cant go wrong bashing a sex offender

    Not just mean, but strange (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by roy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:43:52 PM EST
    If you buy a lottery ticket, you'll probably lose money.  That's the point.  To punish sex offenders, require them to buy lottery tickets.  Make them print their yard signs on the backs of lottery tickets.

    Ban them from buying stock in technology companies.

    they should actually thank them (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:01:12 PM EST
    I always considered Lotterys a stupidity tax.

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    It is the worst bet there is.... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:30:15 PM EST
    I'm a degenerate gambler and I hardly ever play the lottery...that's saying something:)

    Then again, it's the only game offering 50 million to one (more or less) on a dollar wager.

    I don't care if you're Charles Manson, Stalin or Hitler...if you put down your dollar and win you earned it.

     

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    massachusetts (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jlvngstn on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 05:37:06 PM EST
    Timothy Elliott - the lucky buyer of a $1 million scratch ticket in the $800 Million Spectacular game - is a two-time bank robber whose lottery ticket purchase last week violated the terms of his probation. Last year, when he pleaded guilty to unarmed robbery, the 55-year-old Hyannis man was ordered "to not gamble, purchase lottery tickets, or visit establishments where gaming is conducted, including restaurants where Keno may be played," according to his probation from Barnstable Superior Court.....


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    Well (none / 0) (#8)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 06:01:53 PM EST
    He should get a hundred dollar fine for breaking that rule.

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    lol (none / 0) (#14)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 09:11:56 AM EST
    of course they will fine him but not let him keep the winnings, why let a felon have cash, that is just dangerous.  It is better to keep them poor so they can rob and end up back in the prison system where they belong.....Not that the winnings would influence his desire to commit crimes one way or the other as lots of folks with money are stupid, but sheeshus, let the man keep his money and have a shot at a better life. Imagine the bitterness one would hold and the potential consequences of that bitterness....

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    Speaking of stupid.... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 01:18:32 PM EST
    he doesn't know any non-felons who could cash it for him for a slice of the pie?  Unless he didn't know the terms of his probation included a ban on legal gambling.

    At the track there are seniors who stand by the IRS window to cash your big winners for a fee so you can dodge the taxes....they should advertise this service for ex-con lottery winners:)

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    The odds are terrible (none / 0) (#10)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 06:18:09 PM EST
    I have some background in statistics, and as much as I sometimes want to buy into the "You have to play to win" philosophy, I can't make myself do it. The odds are ridiculous. But I figure it isn't any more of a waste than buying a gallong of premium ice cream, and it's probably healthier. It makes people happy. I love Disneyland, which a lot of people consider a waste of money.

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    the same chance of wining as not buying tickets (none / 0) (#11)
    by DandyTIger on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 07:40:06 PM EST
    statistically speaking. So save those pennies. Imagine if a kid started putting in a dollar or so every day into say a couple of ETF's like QQQ and SPY instead of buying lottery tickets. He's be a millionaire, and the risk is very low.

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    Can they do that? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 06:15:59 PM EST
    Seriously, I've seen some laws in California that are a big amazing. The recent "sex offenders can't live anywhere" laws are surreal. I'm beginning to feel sympathy for sex offenders, which doesn't seem possible. Well, except for those weird cases wher a barely 18 yo boy is charge for having sex with an almost 16 year old girl.

    I actually had a friend who was charged with statuatory rape, because he dated a girl and it turned out she was under 18. Her father reported it. I'll grant that a 30 year old man dataing a young girl is acting immature, but he didn't deserve to go to jail for it. Given the standards set by the media, men are expected to seek out younger women - especially barely adult women (see any commercial for "Girls Gone Wild" for proof). People forget that sex criminals aren't necessarily all rapists or old men who molest children. They include many who either committed crimes which hurt nobody, or who made a foolish mistake and have reformed.

    I've defended any number of civil cases (none / 0) (#5)
    by scribe on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:04:21 PM EST
    for personal injuries of one sort or another - car accidents, fall-downs, etc. - where the plaintiff's attorney was asked by the judge:  "Counselor, this defendant has neither insurance beyond a minimum policy, nor education, nor assets, nor the likelihood of ever getting any.  Why are you continuing to pursue this case?"  

    The answer was uniformly:  "He might hit the lottery."

    And, FWIW, that was enough - by itself - to resist summary judgment.

    Thinking back, one of those cases was against some schlub who'd taken a teenager captive, then tortured and sexually abused him during the course of a day or so.  I'd come into the case after the schlub had been convicted and was serving time (or maybe had completed his sentence - it was over 15 yr ago, after all), and was on the side trying to collect on the judgment (for a change).

    I used the lottery excuse for litigating that case, and it worked for me, too.

    For most people who are uninsured or have no real net worth (at best, they and the bank own their house) - i.e., the vast majority of people - the lottery is the only way, and only hope, of getting serious coin.  Which says an awful lot about our "opportunity society", and about the way things are.

    So, the legislators will doubtless decide, why not take away hope some more?

    What was the crime? (none / 0) (#12)
    by Niffari on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 05:21:46 AM EST
    Anyone know the case? I didn't read what he was exactly convicted of in the story.

    The Guy is a Level 3 Sex Offender People (none / 0) (#13)
    by Niffari on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 05:25:55 AM EST
    This guy should have his money taken by the victims. His convictions were for crimes against children under the age of 14. He also appears to have violated his probation for years.

    Here's the story:

    "BOSTON --  A man listed as one of the state's most dangerous sex offenders has won $10 million in the Massachusetts lottery, but the attention may have landed him in new trouble.

    Daniel Snay had been living and working in Massachusetts since 2004. In January, he paid $20 for a "Billion Dollar Blockbuster" scratch ticket at a suburban convenience store and hit the jackpot.

    He picked up the first of 20 annual checks for $500,000 on Jan. 30. And the Massachusetts Lottery Commission said he gambled legally. But his story caught the attention of police in neighboring Connecticut, where Snay had lived for several years and where, officials said, he never informed authorities he was moving out of state.

    Connecticut Trooper William Tate said Snay could face up to five years in prison if convicted of failing to notify authorities of his change of address, a felony. He said Snay hadn't confirmed his address for the Connecticut sex offender registry since May 2004, though that state requires address verification every 90 days.

    "We're trying to determine when he moved, why he didn't register with us and whether any charges are warranted," Tate said.

    Snay, 56, a divorced father of five, was convicted several times of indecent assault and battery from 1974 to 1987. Two of the assaults were on a child under the age of 14.

    Snay's lawyer, Joseph Fabbricotti, said that when Snay moved from Connecticut, he believed he had to register only in the state where he was moving.

    "If that is incorrect, we'll have to fix it," Fabbricotti said. "He wasn't running. He's been living here for four years."

    He is classified in Massachusetts as a Level 3 offender, people deemed most dangerous or most likely to re-offend.

    Uxbridge Police Chief Scott Freitas said Snay's lottery winnings have caused some "conversations" in town, but not an uproar. "In this particular case, he isn't forbidden from gambling," Freitas said."

    Just another dumb law (none / 0) (#16)
    by common sence Doooyyyyyy on Tue Jul 15, 2008 at 01:41:30 PM EST
    Every chance congress gets to make dumb laws that do no good there all over it.  So what if they pass a law that a convicted sex offender or felon period can not pay the lottery.  What are they going to do make everyone show Id's when you buy a lottery ticket then or maybee they will have thumb prints so they can check your criminal record to see if your allowed to buy a lottery ticket.  

    Even if they make this dumb, dumb waist of time law what's to prevent a sex offender from giving the ticket to his wife or girlfriend or mom or dad and he will end up with the money anyways.  what can congress realy do the answer is nothing.  All they could realy do is say hey if you have a sex offender in your family you cant play the lottery that way we can insure no sex offender can get there hands on big bucks.  Now your punishing people who have not done a dam thing wrong.  

    The law is dumb, it will never hold up and even if it does it will not stop sex offenders from buying lottery tickets and just letting there family cash in the winnings for them.  Give me a break get some common sence.