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The Futile Fence

At $1 million a mile, you'd think it would take Spiderman or the Incredible Hulk to make it over Homeland Security's new border fence with Mexico. A terrorist job stealer should need the resources of the Impossible Mission Force to thwart such an expensive barrier.

Here's how "a group of ordinary Mexicans--one a grandmotherly woman, another a 10-year-old boy"--did it:

First they tossed their day packs over the 12-ft. (3.7 m) barrier of steel mesh. They had chosen to cross at a spot where the fence made a small right-angle jog, because there was a supporting post extending about halfway up the angle. This gave them a foothold, and from there, the strongest members of the group boosted the others to the top.

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The fence is pure politics, an expensive show for the hard-liners. Fences don't work.

At the Berlin Wall, guards fired live ammunition, and still an estimated 5,000 people managed to cross.

Where do we stop? Should we fence off the east and west coasts too? Canada?

Senators McCain and Obama joined 78 of their colleagues in voting for the Secure Fence Act. Both candidates have a comprehensive approach to immigration, and it's not likely that either seriously believes a fence to be the best (or even a necessary) approach.

But this is about politics, not sense, and like every other political project in the Bush administration, contractors suck up an endless supply of public dollars while the project looks like something thrown together by a kindergarten class.

No one seems able to keep track of it all. Even agents of the newly reorganized Customs and Border Protection (CBP) department find themselves coming upon sections they've never seen before. The work is less advanced in New Mexico and stalled in Texas, where fierce local opposition has delayed construction--a coalition of border-town mayors and chambers of commerce has sued DHS Secretary Michael Chertoff, alleging he is trying to seize land at inadequate prices. ...

It's a hodgepodge of designs. The best--sections of tall, concrete-filled steel poles deeply rooted, closely spaced and solidly linked at the top--are bluntly functional. The worst--rusting, graffiti-covered, Vietnam-era surplus--are just skeevy walls of welded junk.

The linked article makes the argument that "marking the border and aggressively patrolling it can reduce illegal activity," although only if resources are invested that the administration has not provided -- resources that might better be spent on more effective security measures.

The fence also carries a lesson about limits, for it is only as effective as the force that backs it up. Even the Great Wall of China was not impermeable. Osmosis explains why concentrations of water seek equilibrium across a barrier. Something similar applies to money. The difference in per capita income between the U.S. and Mexico is among the greatest cross-border contrasts in the world, according to David Kennedy, a noted historian at Stanford. As long as that remains true, the border fence will be under extreme pressure. People will climb over it; they'll tunnel under it; they'll hack through it; they'll float around it.

The fence doesn't work. It's also a bad symbol. Aren't we supposed to be in favor of tearing down the walls that separate us?

"We want to secure our borders, but we can't wall ourselves off from Mexico," says Representative Ciro Rodriguez ...
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    We need (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:01:20 PM EST
    incomers with initiative.

    Phwuup (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Lora on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:06:49 PM EST
    I am so utterly sick of these politics.

    That fence represents (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:08:12 PM EST
    a good bit of what I don't like about America.

    Flying over the Border (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:14:41 PM EST
    you can see wheel ruts from the wagons of the 1800s settlers along the trails....

    The deserts are beautiful in a raw and timeless way... Junked-up fences will make natural migration of wildlife very hard....

    Butterfiled stage route actually (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:16:15 PM EST
    Preferential Treatment (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:16:33 PM EST
    DHS has no problem pursuing elderly and struggling homeowners. In the small town of Granjeno (pop. 313), however, the border fence would, conveniently, "abruptly end" at the property owned by Dallas billionaire Ray L. Hunt.

    It's not surprising that the administration would be hesitant to upset Hunt, who was a Bush-Cheney campaign "Pioneer" in 2000. More recently, Hunt "donated $35 million to Southern Methodist University to help build Bush's presidential library." In 2001, Bush appointed Hunt to his Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, granting him "a security clearance and access to classified intelligence."

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    Daniel Garza, a 76-year old man who might lose his home to the border fence's intrusion, noted, "I don't see why they have to destroy my home, my land, and let the wall end there." Pointing across the street to Hunt's land, he added, "How will that stop illegal immigration?"

    Think Progress


    That just sickens me! (none / 0) (#19)
    by befuddledvoter on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:19:00 PM EST
    I Can Hear Bing Crosby (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:37:11 PM EST
    The way the country is headed a border fence begs the question as to the purpose. Is it trying to fence others out or fence me in?

    Okay the Bing Crosby reference will go over most everyone's head..lol

    GOod One! (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:43:26 PM EST
    Here is the youtube

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    Oh, the fence is (none / 0) (#14)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:40:10 PM EST
    just designed to stop those "Tumbling Tumbleweeds," don't you know!

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    I wouldn't doubt it. (none / 0) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 11:43:11 PM EST
    Tumbleweeds are "weeds" in name only, more like tumble trees.

    Santa Ana winds blew one into the front of my rig last fall and the dent in my hood and paint scratches live on...

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    Song by Sons of the (none / 0) (#29)
    by Molly Pitcher on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 06:33:12 AM EST
    Pioneers is on You Tube.  Do not know how to link to video.

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    I wonder how much it would cost (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:13:27 PM EST
    to give a living wage stipend to every Mexican family that stayed in Mexico.  I bet it would be less then building a fence and patrolling the border.

    Right on. (none / 0) (#24)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 11:41:06 PM EST
    Wonder how much it would cost to give a living wage stipend to every American who didn't steal, deal drugs, join a gang, etc. I bet it would be less than what we spend on law enforcement.

    Oh yeah, giving a living wage stipend has already been tried, problem is those dam sob human beings still wouldn't do what they were told to do...

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    Free will.... (none / 0) (#31)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 09:46:26 AM EST
    can't be sold.

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    Kind of sounds like Israel with their crazy wall (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Saul on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:37:18 PM EST
    Most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.  The bad thing about it is the tactics being used by our government on those u.s. citizen who sued the govt from building the fence on their property.  It was very much like the gestapo on how they over rode any dissent from these citizens.  

    What so ironical is we are suppose to be showing Iraq how to be a democracy.  They are probably saying that is not democracy that's just like the government we had under Hussein.  Yep your right.

    another example (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by DJ on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:56:58 PM EST
    of what our country has become

    nothing more to say

    There hasn't been a fence.... (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 09:38:17 AM EST
    or a wall in the history of mankind high enough or strong enough to contain the will of free peoples.  

    Sheeeet...I was climbing 12 footers with razor wire when I was 10....and that was just to play in construction sites.  Imagine what you could climb if you're hungry.

    12 Foot Wall (none / 0) (#2)
    by themomcat on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:05:32 PM EST
    Requires a 15 foot ladder.

    Not even (none / 0) (#6)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:14:38 PM EST
    When I was a kid, there was a chain link fence surrounding a vacant lot that represented a short cut to my school (it cut off a whole hundred yards of so). Even though I was not particularly athletic, I had no trouble climbing it, even with books. I'm betting that a solid fence would be trickier - but people climb Everest. I don't think a fence is going to slow them down much.

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    Easier solution (none / 0) (#5)
    by dianem on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:12:38 PM EST
    Give Mexicans immigrant visas and then hire them to build the fence. They'll do a terrific job for a lot less than a million a mile, and after the fence is built some of them can stay on to patrol the fence and make sure that no bad guys come in. They'll probably do that fairly cheaply, as well, since they'll be able to commute easily from home to do the work.

    on Frontline the border guards were getting (none / 0) (#8)
    by thereyougo on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:16:13 PM EST
    and are still getting bribed letting many many in comfortably through the front door without the expense of a fence.

    A fence was built b/c of pressure from the various militias who sat on their lawn chairs awaitin fer them messcans to cross, guns at the ready. Must've gotten pressure from the border guards to get them to leave and allow them to "do their job", so now the fence gets built. Whether the country survives all the political posturing brought by these actions, to appease a few remains to be seen. I'm looking into emigrating abroad. I've just about had it.

    I even read awhile back that they were hiring illegals TO BUILD the fence in San Diego. Funny isn't it?

    I'm looking into emigrating abroad. I've just about had it.


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    electrify it, (none / 0) (#11)
    by cpinva on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:31:07 PM EST
    concertina wire and shards of broken glass at the top. a moat 12 feet deep and 20 feet wide on this side, filled with water (also electrified), with a minefield 100 feet wide beyond that. guards posted every 100 feet, with orders to shoot to kill anyone attempting to cross. if you make it through alive, you get to stay, no questions asked.

    thats if they were really serious.

    and they can film (none / 0) (#20)
    by RJBOSTON on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:22:24 PM EST
    it and make a reality show. So if you make it you can be a star too. Ahh the American dream! ;)

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    More laughable (none / 0) (#12)
    by Alec82 on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 08:33:06 PM EST
    Washington waste on symbolic projects.  Of course it wasn't going to work.  If it doesn't work in war zones it isn't going to work in a neighboring friendly country with a free trade agreement in place.  

     There are developments in Mexico that do concern me. Their cartels are essentially mini armies and the federal government is inept.  But the obvious, inexpensive (and potentially revenue generationg) solution to that is the political equivalent of a hot potato.

     The immigration issue blew up after I moved from MI to CA.  There was a woman in AZ organizing "Mothers Against Illegal Immigration" because, inter alia, the prospect of having children on the street speaking Spanish terrified her.  Not one of our prouder moments as a country.

     

    Indeed. (none / 0) (#26)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 11:44:40 PM EST
    The entire group of those that don't support open borders for our country can be summed up by your example.

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    Lieberman voted NAY@!@ (none / 0) (#17)
    by StevenT on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 09:38:43 PM EST
    I can't believe that i could find something incommon with Lieberman.

    I completely and totally (none / 0) (#22)
    by A little night musing on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 10:45:50 PM EST
    don't understand how pols go against the will of the people on this.

    Nothing makes sense anymore. Less is more. Up is down.

    um, I think around 80% want the fence (none / 0) (#28)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 06:14:44 AM EST
    after being terrified by fear. So the will of the people is for it. That's why everyone is voting for it even though they know it's silly.

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    QUESTION 4 Jeralyn, BTD or TChris (none / 0) (#32)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Jun 20, 2008 at 11:55:44 AM EST
    Will we have an Open Thread before the end of the day today?