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News Reports: Obama And Clinton Meeting

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are meeting tonight according to news reports.

I have nothing to add to that. I will not pretend to know what is going on beyond that. If you want to see folks pretend to know, turn on the TV.

Oh, and the Lakers are going to beat the Celtics. Too athletic for them.

Funny how they got the story wrong. NOT at Hillary's house. I love how they pretend to know anything/

It's become sort of an Open Thread.

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    Hillary, just say NO !! (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by Mrwirez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:24:51 PM EST
    I hope she won't offer to be VP and she won't Change her mind.

    PS. new website up and running
    http://clintondems.com/

    Just say hell no (5.00 / 2) (#102)
    by reslez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:36 PM EST
    If she accepts it will just give the 'bots another thing to complain about.  Sit this one out, sister.  I'll catch you in 2012!

    And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down
    Gonna stand my ground

    In a world that keeps on pushin' me around
    But I'll stand my ground

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    magnanimous... (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:06 PM EST
    that's one word for it.

    "unitas" is a misnomer. (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:32:23 PM EST
    How about Dividus..... (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:23 PM EST
    Johhnu U? (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:33 PM EST
    Black hightops?

    Hmmmm. How many of you old people know what I am talking about.

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    My first thought, too (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:20 PM EST
    So I'm old.  So what?  Watch out, or I'll run over ya with my walker.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#41)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:34 PM EST
    Of course (none / 0) (#42)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:01 PM EST
    you are from TitleTown country.

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    Aha, I nearly wrote that (5.00 / 3) (#93)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:40 PM EST
    in Packerland, we learn the name of every football player before we drink our first sip of beer.  That, of course, is around the age of six.

    And I met many Packer greats.  My dad was a sportswriter for some years, a sibling was a waterboy, but still -- we all got to do so.  Pro players were regular people then, so we would see 'em at shopping malls, restaurants, etc.  And in those days, they loved to give autographs to kids.  For free, not like players on our pro teams do today.  Speaking of other sports' greats, we all also got to meet a lot of the '57 Braves, our World Series-winning team.  To suggest the difference from today, to show how they lived among us mere mortals then, one of my brothers had Warren Spahn for a Little League coach.  And Spahnie loved it.

    For a little trek down memory lane, here's a link to the state historical society's exhibit last year for the 50th anniversary of our World Series year.  

    Those were the days, my friend.  We thought they'd never end.

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    Have you, perchance read (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:33 PM EST
    John Irving's The Fourth Hand?

    Segue is the Packers.

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    Whaa? I missed a John Irving book?! (none / 0) (#139)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:09:43 PM EST
    It's going on my summer reading list right away.

    Clearly, I have spent 'way too much time worrying about politics and the reality of the state of the country.  It's to get back to some great fiction.

    And always fun to read fictionalized accounts of my corner of the country.  Some are horrendously off, giving us Fargo accents or something.  But Irving?  A flawless writer.  Thanks.

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    Its a good read, although somewhat (none / 0) (#145)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:05 PM EST
    weird.  

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    "Old" people? (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    BTW:  any prediction on Mets/Padres game tonight?   Pelfrey is pitching for the Mets.

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    Heh... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:13 PM EST
    I'm a Mariner fan, so cry me a freaking river.  LOL

    Jackson

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    Go Mariners :) (none / 0) (#108)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:57 PM EST
    I have not watched a baseball game this season (none / 0) (#45)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:38 PM EST
    My Yanks stink.

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    We can both agree on that. So sad. (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:04 PM EST
    Are they at 500? (none / 0) (#64)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:59 PM EST
    Obviously I haven't been paying enough attention either.

    Black high tops rock  ;)

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    Booo, hisss (none / 0) (#65)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:47:10 PM EST
    All I know about baseball is that I'm from a National League family.

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    My Cubbies are in rare good form. (none / 0) (#178)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:29:51 PM EST
    Maybe this year they'll go all the way. It's only ben 100 years.

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    I have great admiration for the Cubbies (none / 0) (#196)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:32 PM EST
    batting order.  Awesome.

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    Cubs so good this year (none / 0) (#207)
    by caseyOR on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:41 PM EST
    My guys are doing such a good job. I'll be holding my breath and hoping they get through August without collapsing. That is their traditional meltdown month.

    For now, though, Cubbies are the best team in the league. WooHoo!!

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    Go Cubs! (none / 0) (#217)
    by phat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:54:29 PM EST
    That is all.

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    Heh... (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:34 PM EST
    I was born in'70, and I know.  I loved how Sabol admitted on NFL films that they edited the highlights from that game in order to make it appear that it was closer than it was.

    I LOVE football, it's a good diversion from my usual reading of the "Communist Manifesto" by the light of burning US flags.  Hell, I am a Liberal after all.  SNARK

    Jackson

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    #19 (none / 0) (#119)
    by AmyinSC on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
    Back when the Colts were in BALTIMORE...

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    Yeah, baby - those were the days! (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:52 PM EST
    Still makes my heart hurt a little when I think about all the Colts history being hijacked to Indianapolis in the middle of the night...

    Yeah, I know Art Modell left Cleveland, but at least Cleveland still has the Browns name and the history.

    It was Colts football that I grew up on, watching on TV and going to the old Memorial Stadium with my dad; I think that's where I learned how to swear!

    When I met my husband, our second date was watching a Monday night game at this house - he had the idea that he was going to impress me with his football knowledge.  He confessed some months later that 5 minutes into the game he knew I knew more about football than he ever would - but it knocked his socks off that I did!

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    yeh think? ;-P (none / 0) (#19)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:07 PM EST
    I prefer (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by cawaltz on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:30 PM EST
    to leave the delusional pundits to those with stronger stomachs and evener dispositions. Watching the punditocracy just annoys me and the day wastoo pretty to end it by being aggravated. :)

    BTD thanks for keeping us up to date (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:28:14 PM EST
    It's too much for me to have to listen to even 3 seconds of their bloviating.

    I will say BTD (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Mrwirez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:30:46 PM EST
    is a very smart Obama supporter. He sees the light, the bashing of Hillary by the Obama surrogates is dumb-dumb-dumb. BTD you have often been critical of Obama's team when necessary also. Good man....

    nah (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:31:25 PM EST
    I think it's very generous of her to allow this meeting to take place. Like Jeralyn said ,(paraphrasing and correct me if I'm wrong), he will benefit her as a VP to help him get elected.

    I'm wondering what she'll offer Obama (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:04 PM EST
    to drink:  tea and cookies, beer, single malt?

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    Bourbon. ;) (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:09 PM EST
    spiking the drink (none / 0) (#47)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:42:42 PM EST
    I think she should spike his drink , Call Spitzer and get his high priced hooker over there and start the flikr.  :)  Sorry the Gamay (orange zesty flavor) is getting to me and I had a rough week along with you all.  

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    Major Garrett just reported that (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:31:37 PM EST
    they are meeting at Diane Feinstein's house which is just a couple of miles from Hillary's.

    Feinstein has a house in NY state? The CA senator? (none / 0) (#25)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:36:18 PM EST
    Huh?

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    Walking distance from where I sit (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:29 PM EST
    And to think, I didn't get an invite! Harrumph!

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    You could have been our live- (5.00 / 3) (#126)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:14 PM EST
    blogger hanging out in the street spongeing off someboday's unencripted wireless network.

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    DC. (none / 0) (#30)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:30 PM EST
    No - DC! (none / 0) (#32)
    by nulee on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:49 PM EST
    They are in DC (none / 0) (#33)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:53 PM EST
    They are talking about both Senator's DC homes.

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    Thanks--I hadn't looked at the TV, just heard he (none / 0) (#51)
    by jawbone on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:38 PM EST
    was going to her house.

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    Feinstein's house in SF (none / 0) (#120)
    by samtaylor2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:59:30 PM EST
    Is so beautiful.  Just thought I would add that.  

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    Who the heck is Major Garrett? (none / 0) (#150)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:16:06 PM EST
    Apparently the FOX congressional (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:21:27 PM EST
    reporter.

    News to me as well.  Guess I haven't been watching my FOX...

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    Never thought I'd be watching (5.00 / 2) (#175)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:27:46 PM EST
    Fox, but if I want almost fair and balanced, it gives me good information. Only watch Britt Hume, Greta, sometimes Billo. Who would have thought, certainly not me.

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    Consume it all, make your own choices... (none / 0) (#191)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:41:09 PM EST
    Nothing better than listening to all sides.  Your own side gets too self-reinforcing ("dittoheads", god save me...).  Hannity was great yesterday, couldn't finish a single Obama-slam without launching into a Woe Is Me the GOP Is Doomed rant...  :~)

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    Former CNN reporter, (none / 0) (#159)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:27 PM EST
    now with Fox.  Weird name.

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    Like those Bullwinkle names (none / 0) (#170)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:45 PM EST
    Major Minor, General Specific...

    or am I mixing my cartoon metaphors...?

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    Major Major was my favorite (5.00 / 2) (#197)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:32 PM EST
    from the novel Catch-22.

    But the squirrel and the moose, yeh, can't be beat.  I have several Rocky & Bullwinkle tapes.  Can't see those Fractured Fairy Tales too many times.

    Oops, I said "fairy tale."  I'm a racist.  Well, then, so were Rocky, Bullwinkle, Boris, and Natasha.

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    DiFi (none / 0) (#181)
    by dws3665 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:33:14 PM EST
    is playing the role of Penelope Pitstop, speaking of mixed cartoon metaphors.

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    This is fun! (none / 0) (#188)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:38:02 PM EST
    OK, then Cheney is Dick Dasterdly and Bush is Mutley.  McCain I picture as Barney Rubble a couple decades after the show got cancelled...

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    I had a boss who looked (5.00 / 4) (#201)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:47:18 PM EST
    exactly like Fred Flintstone right down to the hairdo. One day I had to get a hold of him at a restaurant. So I called and the person answering said the place was really busy and she couldn't guarantee finding him. I told her he looked like Ol' Fred and immediately she said, oh I see him. We never told him. I wonder if he knew.

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    Fox News reporter... (none / 0) (#161)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:20:15 PM EST
    If it's true they are meeting, well good!  I am a Hillary supporter.  Bill's enthusiasm lead me to register as a Dem when he first ran (was Indy before) and this campaign has lead me to change back to Indy as a form of protest.

    However, I will vote for Obama if he can convince me.  It won't be easy, but I am open to see how it goes.  This meeting would be a good first step - at least he is listening to her...

    Listening to her? (5.00 / 3) (#52)
    by A little night musing on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:07 PM EST
    I hope he is, and makes that evident.

    Listening hasn't seemed to be his strong suit.

    But evidence he was really taking her seriously would go a long way toward fixing what he's broken.

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    Listening (5.00 / 2) (#57)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:32 PM EST
    I think this is why Clinton won the coalition she did, she listened.  She is a great listener.  I hope he can take on that trait.

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    I bet (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:04 PM EST
    he will ask her to be at her event Saturday to curry grace with her supporters... Trying to bask on her glow won't be enough to erase I'm afraid....

    I don't want him (5.00 / 5) (#23)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:39 PM EST
    at that event. PERIOD.

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    Thought also crossed my mind. (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:40:10 PM EST
    I think it's a terrible idea (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by reynwrap582 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:07 PM EST
    for him to be at that event.  That would absolutely rub me the wrong way.  It needs to be an event for Hillary and her supporters.  Obama can steal Hillary's light in another event his campaign sets up on their own.

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    It occurred to me (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by sander60tx on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:32 PM EST
    that she already had an event for her supporters on Tues. evening.  It might be fitting for him to show up at that event at some point.  But maybe it's too soon for that.

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    He has no place intruding on her event (5.00 / 3) (#143)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:46 PM EST
    This is a gathering of her supporters. Tell me how he could possibly be a welcome face in that. All he would want to do is gloat.

    Besides, he has a family and close friends in Chicago he needs to be with on weekends.

    I'm loving how the pundits are all running at the mouth just speculating out loud over tonight's meeting. Geez, they got the location wrong, my guess is they aren't even close to right on their ideas for what was being discussed.

    Since it was on neutral ground, what if one or both sides was thinking it was not necessary going to be a friendly meeting?


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    I agree with all above (5.00 / 2) (#186)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:37:24 PM EST
    I don't want him there at all.

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    I don't think he should be there (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:34 PM EST
    But I think Gloria Steinem should be there.  She has good things to say about both and is the right kind of person to start the healing.

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    Healing? (5.00 / 8) (#132)
    by Davidson on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:22 PM EST
    Are you kidding me?  Bigotry, disenfranchisement, corruption, and vote theft are not something to ever be united with.

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    Ms. Steinem can get over it, and (none / 0) (#157)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:18:50 PM EST
    I know I can so I bet more people can as well.  Gloria knows a thing or two about misogyny, her opinion may be worth considering.

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    You combat it, not "get over it" (5.00 / 4) (#171)
    by Davidson on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:26:12 PM EST
    If you legitimize it, you entrench the hatred even further.  I will not.  You will (And yes, Steinem, would as well if she votes for Obama and his campaign of intolerance and hate).

    But it won't matter: Obama will lose--badly.  He's too weak of a candidate.

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    I have (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by Andy08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:38:58 PM EST
    the same position as you actually. It is a terrible precedent not to be rewarded, vindicated or forgotten.

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    You have to assume the Other is Evil (none / 0) (#195)
    by chrisblask on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:23 PM EST
    if you are to shun them for life.  I generally don't believe that.  Just the Christian upbringing, I guess (the only part that took).  Don't buy the idea that any Dem candidate is a sexist/racist anyway.

    Nerf guns, anyone?

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    Don't get all worked up...... (5.00 / 1) (#176)
    by HsLdyAngl on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:28:05 PM EST
    About Obama stealing Hillary's limelight on Saturday.  His campaign put out the notice that Obama is looking forward to going back to Chicago over the weekend to spend time with his family; to have a "date" with his wife; to do some bicyling with his daughters.

    Obama fully realizes that Saturday is for Hillary and her supporters.  

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    Great Line... (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:04 PM EST
    That was a greal line at the end BTD.

    I have a feeling Sat. will be a joint appearance now, and VP becomes an attainable goal for her should she want it.  If she is on, I'll vote for him, if not, the chances drop pretty quickly.

    I know Majority Leader has been deemed impossible, but if Barack and his Senate supporters want to win the GE (and I know they don't necessarily care about the GE, they just want to destroy the Clintons) they'll swallow their pride, just like her supporters have to do and do what's right.  If she becomes ML due to his help as a thank you for her support, he'll have my vote then too.

    If this defecation on HRC and on her supporters, then screw them in Hell.  My thoughts at least.

    Jackson

    I hope to god he doesn't (5.00 / 6) (#28)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:24 PM EST
    want to be at that event. He should not be there. But I will trust her to make the right decision.

    I have a feeling if he is there it will only serve to enrage her supporters even more, me included, because he will just once again be trying to share her moment, her spotlight.

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    Good point... (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:21 PM EST
    Good point AIC, I didn't consider it from that angle.  If it were to be the case, it would not be a surprise, they would leak it out to psychologically prepare us.

    I honestly don't think he can win, and maybe the Party should fall apart, but I know once someone says "We had to burn down the Village in order to save it" then we are FUBAR for sure.

    If the disrespect continues without him trying to stop it, then he is f*cked.  IMHO

    Jackson

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    The other thread was closed when you posted (5.00 / 3) (#79)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:20 PM EST
    about Anderson Cooper last night. I saw that..can you believe how dumb he came off? Does he not realize that winning the GE is different than the primary?

    For anyone who didn't see it, Anderson asked why the winner would need to care what the other person or her supporters would want. He said after someone wins the Presidency, they don't ask the loser what they and their supporters want.

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    you are kidding, right? (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:34 PM EST
    I thought he was smarter than that....

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    Eh, I've never found Cooper (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:55:32 PM EST
    to be a very bright guy.  Didn't he start off as the host of some reality show?  Am I crazy for thinking that?

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    When your mother is Gloria Vanderbilt (none / 0) (#214)
    by denise k on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:52:29 PM EST
    you don't have to be smart.

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    No... (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:57:16 PM EST
    he actually asked that, and I reamed him a little in an earlier post.  Thanks for noticing that, I should have waited for a more open thread.  LOL

    Jackson

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    Jeez (5.00 / 3) (#100)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM EST
    well unfortunately that's the state of political commentary in the US today.  These guys are clueless.

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    I nearly fell off the bed. You had to hear him (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:05:48 PM EST
    to know that he really was that clueless. Is this the first time some of these people have covered politics?

    Of course, on the same panel, a woman from The Center for Advancement of Women said the reason Hillary won South Dakota was it was the kind of demographics she wins! I thought, what about the rest of those states out there. Ever hear of a caucus vs a primary?

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    oops... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:45 PM EST
    put "continues" after supporters in the last paragraph.

    Jackson


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    Celtics will win. They are the team (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:55 PM EST
    we've been waiting for.  We believers here!

    I prefer So You Think you Can Dance (none / 0) (#36)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:12 PM EST
    I think that is how we should have decided the nomination, a dance contest! Barack probably still would have won, oh well.

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    Stanley Cup: Pens (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:03 PM EST
    I prefer to be anxious to see another game on Sat between my team (who lost) and the Deadwings.  Srry, it's a good nickname that really doesn't seem fitting but UGH, they always have to have their way.

    Sidney Crosby rocks!

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    OT (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM EST
    But I just saw the rerun of Top Chef from last night. (My power was out from a storm...trees down...the woiks)

    They sent Antonia home?!?!?! She's a far better cook than Lisa.

    And then Lisa goes into that whole "congratulate me" thing.

    That is ridiculous...

    Lisa is the real pissy one? (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:42 PM EST
    Yup (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:09 PM EST
    And she was really nasty when she came back from judges table.

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    That she's there... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:26 PM EST
    just reinforces the really bad attitude crap.

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    Yes... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:35 PM EST
    Can't tell you the number of times the words "Grow the F*$& Up" have whipped through my brain whenever she stands there with her crossed arms and her "I'm better than all y'all" attitude.

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    Those crossed arms is her (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:04 PM EST
    security blanket..she's very unsure of herself. I was rooting for Antonia also. I thought she should have stayed.She was always to consistent..but they judge on the current task.

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    Lisa: Poster child of the (none / 0) (#151)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:16:29 PM EST
    CREATIVE CLASS

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    To quote the littlest Who (none / 0) (#81)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:28 PM EST
    in Whoville, Yawp, Lisa is the pissy one.

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    Tell me. What don't you watch (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:41 PM EST
    on TV?

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#106)
    by cawaltz on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
    She almost got kicked off for her rice and said she was sabotaged. She also threw the guy who didn't use a grain under a bus. She's a real piece of work.

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    I know (none / 0) (#77)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:53 PM EST
    I was sad to see Antonia go.

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    She had a pretty great attitude... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:07 PM EST
    ME four. (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by liminal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:55 PM EST
    And of all the criticisms that the judges have offered, I found the "Why did you put all that food on that plate" to be a weird one, but it did strike me that the editors were telegraphing her exit with her numerous commentaries about how she couldn't go home.

    Sad, I wanted Steph, Antonia, and Richard in the finals.  I liked the challenge, though!

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    Her campaign financial team (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:50 PM EST
    He wants her fundraisers, and access to her big money contributors.

    He's not making any offers of VP, he just set up his team for vetting the people on his list.

    Remember the last time he called a "let's be nice" meeting, he got off easy on Rev Wright, and she got KO's big commentary on racism because of
    Geraldine Ferraro.

    And speaking of Rev. Wright, heeees (none / 0) (#127)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:22 PM EST
    baaaaak! He was supposed to be retired at 6/1. Apparently he doesn't think Rev. Moss is ready yet so he has decided to stay on for a while. HA!!

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    Omg, the memory of that "let's be nice" (none / 0) (#206)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:36 PM EST
    setup and what came next -- I had forgotten that switcheroo.

    I hope that Hillary is wearing a flakjacket for this meeting.  Incoming!

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    Which words? (5.00 / 11) (#86)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:51:24 PM EST
    defecation, screw or hell?

    lol (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:53:23 PM EST
    That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time. (5.00 / 2) (#113)
    by Teresa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:08 PM EST
    I might...one of these days... (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:55 PM EST
    right now I'm still trying to figure out what it is that this whole unity thing is supposed to look like.

    And frankly, watching the fanbase attack the heck out of any who disagreed with them, I'm still not completely sure that y'all understand the meaning of the word "unity."

    Since it's now an open thread... (5.00 / 5) (#144)
    by reynwrap582 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:14:47 PM EST
    Did anyone else get the "Major policy change" email from Dean?  It wasn't that part of the email that was really the last straw for me, it was this:

    "Will you join us and make a contribution right now to help us elect Barack Obama?"

    "This is an example of the kind of White House Barack Obama would run."

    "Help Elect Barack Obama!"

    This elicited my response:
    "Last I checked, Hillary Clinton is still a candidate until she suspends her campaign on Saturday.  She received over 18 million votes, more than ANY other primary candidate in history, including Barack Obama.  Show her the respect of witholding your Obama coronation emails UNTIL she has officially suspended her campaign and endorsed Obama."

    The media may be reading the campaign obituary but this is inappropriate language in an email from the leader of the party before Hillary has taken the official steps to stand down.  Dean was obviously chomping at the bit to say those things and couldn't restrain himself.  Needless to say I informed him the DNC won't be getting any more of my money (and I normally matched my DNC contributions to my candidate contributions.  That was good for $400 directly to the DNC in '04).

    Got myself off those mailing lists (5.00 / 0) (#153)
    by Stellaaa on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:35 PM EST
    long time ago.

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    DNC (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:22:31 PM EST
    is hurting for money.  They have way less than the RNC.

    I suspect the candidates were sucking up their cash.

    And BTW, Dean who? ;-).

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    Really should have Wexler (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:28:11 PM EST
    personning the phones.

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    And (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:33:37 PM EST
    when he yelled at people on the phone he could say he was speaking truth to power.

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    I suspect (5.00 / 1) (#211)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:51:32 PM EST
    Obama's 'base' doesn't have very deep pockets and they only want to donate to him.

    he is going to be a disaster for the DNC. Especially without the Clinton machine.

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    I got that email (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:46:38 PM EST
    because on Sunday I wrote to the DNC informing them that I was changing my registration from Democrat to Independent and telling them why. So, of course they put me on their mailing list--I know it's an automatic enrollment when you send an email through their website, but I also thought it was symbolic of a party that doesn't listen.


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    Calm down (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:49 PM EST
    Obama is the nominee.

    He is my guy.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#169)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:34 PM EST
    those of us he deemed racists for voting Hillary aren't going to get over it very quickly.

    Democratic loyalty oath (5.00 / 1) (#209)
    by FemB4dem on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:50:10 PM EST
    Since this is something of an open thread, I have a question I hope one of you can answer.  I am a longtime reader, but this is my first comment.

    I wanted to stand for election as a delegate for Hillary at my county caucus in Montana this evening, with the idea that maybe I could become a delegate to the Democratic National Convention in Denver and support Hillary through to the very end of what has been a truly eye-opening and disillusioning process.  So, I jumped through all the hoops to do so, and then gave up at the last one:  in order to stand for election I was required to sign what seems to me to be the kissing cousin of a loyalty oath.  Among other things, I had to "pledge that, if elected, I will not publicly support or campaign for any other candidate for President or Vice-President other than the nominess of the Democratic National Convention."

    Well, like many of you, I have decided I cannot support Senator Obama and may decide to publicly support Senator McCain or the candidate of another party (Bob Barr, for instance).  So, because I do not sign pledges lightly, I was prohibited from becoming a delegate for Hillary.  The more I thought about this, I realized I probably could not even have signed this if Hillary had prevailed.  Who can ever know for certain whether at some point their candidate might do something so awful they would feel duty bound to support another candidate?

    Anyway, I was wondering if any of you know whether this is a DNC requirement, or something that the Montana Democratic Party concocted? I am at heart a longtime ACLU Democrat wondering who hijacked my party.  Thanks for listening, and thanks to Jeralyn and BTD for such a great site -- it truly has been an oasis of sanity.  

    Maybe you should ask someone what their (5.00 / 1) (#210)
    by LeelaSavage on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:50:13 PM EST
    politics are before assuming anything.  You know what happens when you assume, right?  I'm a 53-year old, life-long progressive socialist who has spent my entire life fighting for progressive causes and donated a considerable amount of money and time doing so.  

    I demonstrated against the Vietnam War and was beaten many times by the police.  I have spent my own money and time in every election since 1972 - after my generation actually fought and won the right to vote for 18-year-olds in 1971 - going to places the Democrats needed help with to assist their candidate in winning elections.  I have spent countless thousands of hours on phone banks, on street corners - asking for signatures to get the ERA passed, for example, at malls, knocking on doors, bringing in voters to the polls - all in the name of advancing socially progressive issues and a sustainable earth policy in America.  

    What have you done?  

    Take that BTD (5.00 / 1) (#213)
    by GOPmurderedconscience on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:52:01 PM EST
    Go Celtics!

    Obama is not even as smart as I gave him (5.00 / 2) (#216)
    by americanincanada on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:54:17 PM EST
    limited credit for.

    Apparently he was not willing to meet with Hillary without preconditions...

    Fox News is reporting that she had to promise she wouldn't talk about the VP slot.

    But he'll meet with leaders of (5.00 / 1) (#221)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:59:59 PM EST
    foreign countries w/o conditions?

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    When worlds collide... (4.76 / 17) (#72)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:48:55 PM EST
    Would love to be a fly on the wall for that meeting...

    "Ahem.  Um.  Er.  Well..."

    "Barack.  Is there something you want to say?"

    "Mmmmm...damn!  Yes - no - I don't know..."

    "Uh. Barack, what are you looking for?"

    "Oh, nothing - I thought I saw a tele...a teleprom...damn! - a tel-e-prompter over in the corner."

    "No, Barack, those are lucite bookends - sorry.  Is there something you wanted to discuss, because I'd really like to get a nice hot shower and get into bed."

    "Oh...okay.  Well...I just wanted to say that I, I, uh, well, I don't think I can do this without you."

    "What - speak up, I can't hear you!"

    "Ahem...I. don't. think, I can, um, er, do this...without you."

    "What do you mean?  All this time, you've been carrying on about how "old politics" I am, and how I'm a '60's relic - what the heck do you need me for?"

    "Oh, Hillary - I can't say, 'me, too' anymore because you're not there to answer all the questions first and I don't know what to say!  I have a health plan, right?  Is it a good one - people keep wanting me to talk about it, and I don't know - someone on my staff wrote it and I just don't get it."

    "Well.  Interesting.  That's too...rich, I mean, too bad."

    "What do I do?  What do I say?"

    "Oh, Barack...just keep saying 'change' and 'hope' and 'unity,' - Howard Dean has my number - tell him to give me a tingle - I mean a jingle - in August; I might be able to help.  Run along now - I think Michelle wants to go to church."

    Classic! (5.00 / 2) (#101)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:29 PM EST
    I gave you a 5, which I hope is correct, but I don't know if they pop points mean anything here or if I can even give them to you.  Classic post.

    Jackson

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    Powerman 5000 (none / 0) (#107)
    by sociallybanned on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:56:44 PM EST
    Donna's on CNN (4.62 / 8) (#2)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:48 PM EST
    pontificating...and talking as though she never said any of the things she's said over the last several months.

    I have no use for her...

    Gosh, I hope he doesn't disappoint. (3.00 / 1) (#1)
    by masslib on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:23:37 PM EST
    I hope he picks her.  

    She ought to agree to be VP (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:51 PM EST
    with the first guy who said she was an inspiration to his daughters.

    That would be McCain.  He said it Tuesday night, two days before Obama managed to have one of his lackeys put those "just words" up on his teleprompter.

    Now, guess which guy I believed when he said it. . . .

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    You can imagine what his daughters (5.00 / 4) (#133)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:25 PM EST
    have heard at the dinner table about Hillary over the past 6 months, or more.

    I'm quite sure her campaign really has changed his daughters.

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    Yeah sure! (5.00 / 2) (#198)
    by ghost2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:45:08 PM EST
    Didn't Samantha call her a monster?

    When I read that quote, I thought just one word, G.F.Y.  

    I really don't know how Hillary does it.  Honestly, I don't.  I would yell, and just tell him where to go.  

    Now, my daughters... blah blah... what an a&^h&*e!  Remember, with all the compliments she gave him, he dissed Clinton's legacy, called her ambitious and divisive, and never once said anything good about her.

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    When McCain said, I believed he meant it. (5.00 / 3) (#134)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:31 PM EST
    Hillary VP of McCain? (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:12:24 PM EST
    Hillary in the GOP ticket? Er, what kind of a HRC supporter are you? Hillary and McCain are diametrically opposed policywise. Oh, and McCain is they guy that joked that Chelsea was so ugly because Janet Reno was the father. You forgot that?

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    Haven't forgotten it (5.00 / 0) (#146)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:20 PM EST
    but it was years ago and apologized.  Obama is current.

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    Years ago? (2.33 / 3) (#156)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:18:03 PM EST
    He managed to insult 3 women in just two sentences, including a child (at the time). What kind of a man does something like that? That's not politics, that just a disgusting human being. And McCain is a conservative who does not care about healthcare, is pro-life, and wants to stay in Iraq forever. How in the world can anyone think he and Hillary have anything in commmon policywise?

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    BS! (4.50 / 2) (#165)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:22:22 PM EST
    It was a joke and if you think Obama hasn't been insulting to some women, you're deaf.  Or didn't you think the the flick off the shoulder, scrape the sh!t off his shoe, and giving Hillary the bird was insulting.  

    If you want to convince someone Obama is the One, try it.  Bad mouthing McCain won't win you anything.  At least he has some character, unlike Obama.
     

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    i have zero interest (5.00 / 2) (#174)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:27:30 PM EST
    in convincing anyone about Obama. I don't much care one way or the other. But no one who undertsands what HRC stands for can think she'd have any interest in being McCain's VP. I mean, have you even listened to her speeches? Do you not know the HUGE difference in policy between them?

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    How effing stupid do (5.00 / 2) (#184)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:34:52 PM EST
    you think we are?  She's not going to run with McCain, she's a Dem.  However, I am not a Dem and think he will be a fine president with a Dem congress for checks and balances.  

    The dumb@ss outrage about every little snarky thing someone says is just too much.  You people really do have a problem with freedom of speech don't you?


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    Anyone who suggests (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:37:58 PM EST
    that HRC should join McCain has no clue what HRC stands for. You have let you anger with Obama cloud your judgement to the point that you are proposing ideas that make no sense at all. McCain will nominate SC judges like Alito and Scalia. You think that's what HRC has fought for?

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    Try reading my comment (5.00 / 0) (#199)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:46:19 PM EST
    before spewing more crap.  Of course she's not running with McCain.  Climb off your high horse before you fall and hurt yourself.

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    Try reading the thread (none / 0) (#208)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:49:53 PM EST
    before interjecting your own nonsense. I was responding to another poster that did recommend that HRC join McCain's ticket, a ridiculous notion that this particular poster has posted about before.

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    I've said they both could be on (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:20:59 PM EST
    the ticket. This country needs to heal and what better way then to put a dem & repub on the same ticket. There'd be problems, and many would object, but hey, isn't it a free country?

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    I'm now going for Clinton/Clinton '08 (5.00 / 1) (#173)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:27:18 PM EST
    myself.  What?  Bill can still be VP.

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    LOL... (5.00 / 0) (#183)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:34:19 PM EST
    Technically, he can't because he has already served two (successful) terms as Pres.  Now, if Obama chooses Hilary, Patterson can put him into the Senate, which would actually be cool.  It'll never happen, but i want the rebirth of JQ Adams!  (I know, I know, he actually served in the House, not the Senate, so sue me.)  LOL

    Jackson

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    No! (5.00 / 4) (#204)
    by ghost2 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:48:39 PM EST
    Why should he tarnish his legacy, and start dealing with idiots who want to undercut him, b/c they are jealous of him?

    Bill, Al, and Hillary.

    The Sun Rose in 1992.  Three magnificent people.  Three of my heros.

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    It's not a question of being a free country (none / 0) (#168)
    by Gabriel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:24:30 PM EST
    it's a question of completely different policy preferences.

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    Omg, I go away for a while (5.00 / 1) (#220)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:57:03 PM EST
    from a comment that seemed so obviously snarky, and I come back to this.

    Gabriel, Gabriel.  We're a little giddy here today.  It's post-campaign silly syndrome for us.  You're still all het up, I see, still riding adrenaline.  Stay cool.  Your letdown time will come. . . .

    But I still find it telling that McCain acknowledged Clinton's historic and inspirational accomplishment on Tuesday, and it took Obama until Thursday.  Must be the transition from taking from her speeches to now taking from McCain's speeches.  

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    Didn't Obama state that earlier also (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:12 PM EST
    though?  He and Michelle and their two daughters were all on stage--remember, a special treat for the kids to be stared at by 10s or thousands of screaming people?

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    I also have no idea what they're talking about (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:24:38 PM EST
    heh.

    Pure speculation, but suppose (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:29:46 PM EST
    Obama says, my campaign will pay off all of your campaign debts on condition I offer you the VP slot and you decline it.

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    There's a part of me... (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:32:08 PM EST
    that wants her to be the VP just to see how Matthews and Olbermann react.

    I'd love to see their faces.

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    Exploding Heads N/T (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by squeaky on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:35:39 PM EST
    No top

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    Not to mention (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:23 PM EST
    the horror of some Obama supporters.

    Oh, the humanity!

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    Seriously... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by kredwyn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:49 PM EST
    There are a few blogoblowhards who've bought their own spin and will be outraged...

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    Well, he can't pay off her debts (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:33:09 PM EST
    and frankly, I don't think Hillary is really hurting because of them.

    And if Obama is smart, he'll want her on the ticket anyway.

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    He can (none / 0) (#53)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:17 PM EST
    Paying off the opponent's debts is not uncommon, esp with close races.

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    I believe you are wrong (none / 0) (#75)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:49:21 PM EST
    It is not legal for his campaign to pay off her campaign's debts.

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    There seems to be some weird way (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:55:34 PM EST
    to do it, explained here earlier today.  You sure are correct that it can't be a direct deal.  But it was something like she contributes part of her general election fund to his, then he contributes to her debt fund?  Still sounds fishy to me, but for every law, there is a loophole -- and after all, they both are lawyers.  And he even teaches voting law.  That sure came in handy for the rules and bylaws committee strategy. . . .

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    Frankly, I think her debt isn't the #1 concern (none / 0) (#117)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:39 PM EST
    for her. She'll raise what she needs in the future. And most of the debt is to herself, anyway, if I understand correctly.

    It might be that there's some loophole, but it isn't going to be a big point of discussion tonight, I think.

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    I heard on NPR (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:03 PM EST
    there is a way for her to move the general election funds she raised to her senate campaign money ... I don't remember but it was some convuluted way she can actually pay off her own debt, so I think you are right.

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    You're right... (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:03:29 PM EST
    You're right Andgarden, that is just one published book for her, it's nothing.  That is one of the more tired insults of Hliary (I'm not saying anyone here in this thread was trying to insult her, I mean in general.)

    Jackson

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    Of course it's not her top concern (none / 0) (#147)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:15:24 PM EST
    (never said it was).  But I still want him to pay.  Even more than him, I want all those Attack Dogs of Misogyny's heads to explode at the thought of their money going to pay her debts.

    I figure it's the least I can wish for, in the interests of a return to reasonable public discourse.

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    She needs to tell him to stuff it.... (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:34:55 PM EST
    Take that job and shove it? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:37:27 PM EST
    In this instance, I was talking thedebt....but (none / 0) (#44)
    by PssttCmere08 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:41:29 PM EST
    the other is okay too.

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    No, that's Burton's job. (5.00 / 0) (#193)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:43:25 PM EST
    I don't really need to turn on the TV (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:26:08 PM EST
    with BTD on the story.

    2nd half starts (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:39:46 PM EST
    Pierce need to get off if the Celtics are gong to have  a chance and he is  . .

    you guys should watch this game (none / 0) (#49)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:43:11 PM EST
    I get the feeling it is going to have a great finish.

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    I'm so old... (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Dawn Davenport on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:18 PM EST
    I remember when the players wore hot pants. ;-)

    I also remember watching Phil Jackson, that ol' hippie, playing for the champion Knicks in the '70s.

    I <3 Phil Jackson.

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    what channel (none / 0) (#54)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:44:28 PM EST
    I can't find it

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    ABC (none / 0) (#59)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:46:12 PM EST
    thanks (none / 0) (#66)
    by bjorn on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:47:26 PM EST
    Not sure... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:47:30 PM EST
    ABC or ESPN, probably ABC.

    Jackson

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    yeah,and (none / 0) (#123)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:33 PM EST
    the basketball game is interesting too!

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    Her turf? (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:45:17 PM EST
    I would imagine her or Feinstein's places are more comfortable than his. Obama is going to need to bend some and I wouldn't call this bending backwards.

    You think maybe he's just trying to get her to (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:20 PM EST
    promise that she really will call him the winner this weekend, and not pull another fast one like she did Tuesday?

    I think that was a brilliant move on her part, and the media deserved it!

    He wants to have a say in what her Saturday announcement will sound like, and a plan for using both her and Bill to fix what he broke.

    I'm very glad Feinstein was there.

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    The incredible shrinking man (5.00 / 4) (#122)
    by Upstart Crow on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:00:27 PM EST
    Even in victory, he is looking weaker and weaker.

    He can't have a party and celebrate until she says she is defeated. So she is controlling his moods and his decisions, even in defeat.

    Even conceding, she's not defeated enough, so he ducks the press plane and goes off for a secret meeting.

    I suspect it is not a happy occasion. Weak men usually come into a room with a list of demands to prop themselves up.

    I really hope she doesn't want the VP slot.

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    open thread? (none / 0) (#78)
    by dmk47 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:14 PM EST
    Is this an open thread?

    It's a thread hijacking (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by Cream City on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:19 PM EST
    from BTD hisself.  We're practicing first on him --  'cause after that, our coup to retake control of the Dem party will come easy.  

    Bwwwaaahhhh.  Donna Brazile, yer days are numbered!

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    You did hear Obama is permitting (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:13 PM EST
    Dean to say but the DNC won't be accepting money from lobbyists (federal AND state???) or PACS.  The latter restriction is going to mightily piss off the unions.

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    I read it was only (5.00 / 0) (#172)
    by RalphB on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:26:44 PM EST
    federally registered lobbyists, like his campaign.  But the same huge loopholes apply to both his campaign and the DNC.  It's PR bullsh!t.


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    sort of became one. (none / 0) (#91)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:52:26 PM EST
    Just a courtesy call (none / 0) (#82)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:43 PM EST
    Since it's ay Fienstein's house, it probably a "lets bury the hachet team and play nice" session. I think he should offer her the VP but I wouldn't doubt for a minute that he'd be crossing his fingers hoping that she says no! She has nothing to gain by being on the ticket and everything to lose. She will be blamed if he loses with or without her.

    I envision Dianne Feinstein (none / 0) (#97)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:54:12 PM EST
    hovering over them, perhaps applying a little pressure.

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    As a Californian who has always voted for (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by LeelaSavage on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:04:14 PM EST
    Feinstein in the past, you can count me as one of the angry old biddies who will vote straight Republican ticket in protest of the way women have been treated - or should I say, mistreated - by the Democrats this year.  

    I only pray there are millions of us and we knock the little misogynists off their high horses and back to the ground with the rest of us.  

    Nothing anyone could say short of nominating Hillary at the convention will persuade this life-long progressive socialist to vote for another Democrat until they get right with women on the federal level.  

    I'm so mad, I could spit fire at every appeaser in the crowd.  

    I will never vote for Obama!   Ever!!!

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    Pressure? (5.00 / 0) (#164)
    by Emma on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:21:27 PM EST
    You mean to Obama's bleeding wounds?

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    If it goes as well (none / 0) (#152)
    by reslez on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:16:51 PM EST
    as Obama's initial meeting with Edwards, Obama might turn a "sure thing" endorsement into months of icy silence.

    Obama blew it. Speaking to Edwards on the day he exited the race, Obama came across as glib and aloof. His response to Edwards's imprecations that he make poverty a central part of his agenda was shallow, perfunctory, pat. Clinton, by contrast, engaged Edwards in a lengthy policy discussion. Her affect was solicitous and respectful. link

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    You do know how this ended, though, (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:48:44 PM EST
    right?

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    BTD - I don't think you and I will ever agree. You (none / 0) (#83)
    by carmel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:50:48 PM EST
    say Obama, I say Hillary. You say Lakers, and I say Celtics. Maybe Hillary is telling Obama that she's taking it to the convention. That would get Chris Matthews and blowhard Olbermann in a dither.

    Multiple meetings (none / 0) (#96)
    by waldenpond on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:53:28 PM EST
    I think they are discussing how annoying their spouses can be......

    They have Clinton's debt to discuss.  That's more than 1 meeting.  FL/MI that is probable more than 1 meeting to make that an event.  Her ideas for VP?  Seriously, what Bill would be doing if they were to consider Clinton as VP. Would he be busy with his foundation etc...

    I have no idea what they will discuss, but the media will be on every one of these meetings like they are covering Britney Spears.

    Hey, Obama in the front passenger (none / 0) (#103)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:55:25 PM EST
    seat was on the front cover of today's NYT above the fold.  Lets not make this a habit.

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    Well, Major Garrett also reported (none / 0) (#114)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:58:13 PM EST
    that the Obama camp was unhappy that on Tuesday, Hillary didn't say that Obama's win was an historic event and that we should all stand behind him.

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    Did he say her campaign (5.00 / 6) (#137)
    by waldenpond on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:08:21 PM EST
    was historic?  Maybe they shouldn't have pushed the media to say she was conceding when she wasn't and they could have shared speeches to make sure each got a little bit of history.

    Really, she should be more than an asterisk to history.

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    Obviously no, but since Tuesday, (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:17:39 PM EST
    he's been saying things like my daughters will benefit from Hillary and stuff like that. Pleeze!The DLCC called me tonight for money.The woman started her schtick, I started to say in the past I gave but, and the woman on the other end gave a little sigh. I knew she had heard this alot lately from voters she has called regarding women's issues. She laughed, I told her it was nothing personal against her, she said she'd take my name and phone # off her list. I shed tears.

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    Gives a bit of the lie (5.00 / 5) (#167)
    by Valhalla on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:23:52 PM EST
    to the whole thing about not needing to spend energy reaching out to Hillary's supporters, now doesn't it?


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    I thought it was very cold. We don't (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by zfran on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:32:49 PM EST
    want you, but give us your money anyway!!!

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    Act Blue (none / 0) (#179)
    by kmblue on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:30:56 PM EST
    solicited me recently.
    I sent them a polite, but negative, reply.
    You never know who has to read those things.

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    You're a better person than I (5.00 / 1) (#190)
    by A little night musing on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:40:49 PM EST
    I got an email from MoveOn yesterday asking for money (first line: "Last night Obama locked up the nomination") and I'm afraid it pushed me over the edge.

    I console myself with the thought that no one will ever actually read what I wrote.


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    Neutral ground (none / 0) (#121)
    by JavaCityPal on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 09:59:43 PM EST
    They met at Feinstein's house.

    lovely (none / 0) (#160)
    by dmk47 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:19:36 PM EST
    wimp in drag

    that oughta make Hillary --- and all feminists --- proud

    Yeah - That's when someone acts like (none / 0) (#219)
    by LeelaSavage on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:56:21 PM EST
    they're really in charge when actually they just go along with whatever the prevailing opinion is at the moment.  

    Remember the term, you're going to hear it a lot.  That is unless you spend your entire summer wrapped in the glowing light of Barack's burning effigy so long you don't come out long enough to see him losing the election.  

    And you might want to get accustomed to hearing the truth spoken in harsher terms, now, from everyone.  The Republicans aren't the only people who can't stand the sight of Obama!  

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    Looking good for Boston (none / 0) (#185)
    by dmk47 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:36:13 PM EST


    Yeah, (none / 0) (#194)
    by A little night musing on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:44:04 PM EST
    sweeping the Rays, back in first place...

    Oh, wait. You mean the basketball game? ;-)

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    I hope... (none / 0) (#203)
    by Jackson Hunter on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:48:35 PM EST
    Big Papi isn't that hurt, they are my default team, of course I rooted for them as the underdog, which they aren't anymore.

    Jackson

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    Maybe they are talking about the debt (none / 0) (#192)
    by BarnBabe on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:42:56 PM EST
    Tom Dashle said it was on the table for discussion. For them to pay hers off. She might as well get something at least.

    Very good for Boston (none / 0) (#212)
    by dmk47 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:51:41 PM EST
    Horrible clock management by LA. Phil Jackson = Mark Penn? (overrated, rode on talent from the 90s)

    (half-joking there)

    Nertz to the Lakers, BTD! n/t (none / 0) (#218)
    by zyx on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 10:55:14 PM EST


    Well, it's just the first game of the series BTD, (none / 0) (#222)
    by carmel on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:06:15 PM EST
    but what a come back for the Celtics! And the Red Sox won tonight too! And the Sox had a really big rumble on the field with the Devil Rays. Does this foreshadow things to come for the Hillary/Obama meeting tonight? Let me guess BTD, you probably like the Giants, and of course, I'm with the Patriots. That game didn't work out so well for the Pats this year.

    Just had to check TL before I turned in.. (none / 0) (#223)
    by BostonIndependent on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:12:51 PM EST
    And noticed your comment about the Celtics Lakers game. It was a good game that was going back and forth -- that I thought Celtics were going to lose until PhilJ and the Lakers kinda played into Boston's hands in the second half. Maybe it's just me, but the rivalry just doesn't seem the same as it was in the 80's.. O' well, I guess I'm showing my age.

    Sox won 7-1 and swept the Rays -- back up on top of the AL East.. and these wins make this week a bit more palatable. Don't know what I'd  do if I didn't have these teams :-)

    Here's NYT account of The Meeting: (none / 0) (#224)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:18:40 PM EST
    Lakers in 6 (none / 0) (#225)
    by MKS on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:44:47 PM EST
    But they'll have to get started soon.    

    AND (none / 0) (#226)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 11:53:47 PM EST
    "Oh, and the Lakers are going to beat the Celtics. Too athletic for them."

    The Detroit Red Wings brought the Stanley Cup back to Hockeytown.