Oh the irony of it all! The candidate that was supposed to have a movement really doesn't have one while the other one does. All the Hillary hating blogs and media have done is make her more powerful.

Their sexism is endemic. No matter what lip service Hillary and Steinem might be forced to pay, I don't have to, and I won't.

Hillary owns the middle. She can win, Obama can't.

Superdelegates were created to save the party from a candidate who tanks late. The last primaries show that he's already nosedived. If they realize their hubris and switch their support to Hillary  before Denver, the Democrats will win the White House.

If they don't, they'ss lose like 1972. And they deserve to, having rejected and reviled the superbly qualified first woman president.

I keep hearing about all these women whose rationalization for not supporting Hillary is that "she didn't leave Bill".  

I think we're gonna see a lot of women 'leaving' the Obamacrat party this november -- at least Bill didn't plan on publicly humiliating Hillary, but Team Obama has consistently treated Clinton supporters deliberately badly.

Wow, it's hard to be more disgusted with the Dems than I already am but I keep wondering where they were during the height of the smearing.

Where have they been, united in outrage, for a year and a half.

While TeamObama's astro-turfing campaign pretends that their candidate was subject to "equal" racism in an effort to "disappear" the dismay of Sen Clinton's 18 million supporters, that is the wrong tone and wrong solution. I know I wouldn't be behaving that way towards any of Sen. Obama's supporters, and don't (as he has voters within my immediate family.)

Dean's mushy message won't accomplish anything but exemplify what is wrong with today's NuDemocratic Party. I'm only one of Sen Clinton's supporters and I certainly didn't imagine what I saw and heard.

It wasn't Obama but Sen Clinton that mass media portrayed as a pimp and pimping her family simply because she was running for office with them at her side.

It wasn't Obama subject to mass media overtly laughing at sexist equivalents of egregiously bigoted materials like souvenir campaign nutcrackers -- feminism's own lawn jockey -- one among many many shameful moments over which Dean's outrage was barely present.

Howard Dean needs to do way better than this.

As leader of the Democratic National Committee  
he needs to explain his absence to 18 million supporters of Sen Clinton, of wich I am one.

He needs to tell us why he and every single Democrat in leadership positions weren't united in a media appearance decrying the bigotry, sexism and misogyny against Senator Clinton.

She is a historical candidate, a Democratic who will continue to keep the party strong into this century, and an example of courage, leadership and class that other Dems need to learn from.

I will vote for McCain this fall.

Why? because of the ugliness and the nastiness of the Obama supporters both online and offline.

I am a minority myself in this country. Yet, in many online discussions I was called a racist by clueless Obama supporters for merely questioning Obama's qualificatiosn to be president.

I am also a man and I supported Hillary because she was the best qualified candidate for president.

I agree with some of the earlier writers. Claire McCaskill, Michelle Obama and people like them would be terrible ambassadors to Hillary voters.

They are now trying to patronize us after having insulted us and ignored us all this time.

This primary experience has been very revealing for me. Issues are important but ultimately being respected is more important. I can make peace with a candidate with whom I may not agree on many issues as long as I feel that candidate is not being supercilious towards me. Obama is arrogant, supercilious, and exudes a sense of entitlement. So, do his supporters.

I would love for him to just admit that some of his supporters have crossed the line whether they were online or in the press.  Have some courage and go after them.  When Bill tried he was deemed a whiner, so maybe Howard Dean or Obama himself could get away with it.  It would be nice if he at least acknowledged that sexism occurred during this primary.  Isn't sexism a social ill that needs to be fought back?  Why isn't anyone trying?  I really don't want to hear a speech from Obama on this, not unless who goes all the way and apologises for his own sexist remarks.  I would much prefer Hillary to make one.

"The wounds of sexism need to be the subject of a national discussion," the chairman, Howard Dean, said in an interview. "Many of the most prominent people on TV behaved like middle schoolers" toward Mrs. Clinton.

Wow.

I guess that means Dr. Dean behaved like a middle school principal who stood by and did nothing while his favorite pupil bullied the girls on the playground.

How about Howard Dean taking Donna Brazile into a room and only him coming out? Her comments are being circulated hither, tither and yon about the rural-white vote and Hispanic vote not being needed for the general election.  She has become a cause-celebre among the Clinton voters/supporters.

Knock them down, insult them, abuse them, and then later, much later, when you've had time to sober up, apologize and talk about how it's gonna be different now sweetie. I don't know how any woman could fall for this bilge.

Ms. Steinem advised that Mr. Obama deliver the same sort of ambitious speech about sex that he did on race. An aide said the campaign was considering such an address.

The damage is done.  Do not compound it. They knew the risks while it was going on.  They know what percentage of the voting population is female.  They know that more women vote Democratic than Republican.  Demographics and polls and 'messaging' to slices of the electorate is their lifesblood.

They knew they were gambling and they did it anyway.  Now they're looking at the blackjack dealer and saying "Did I say hit me?  No I meant hold, I meant hold, I meant hold!"  Won't work in Vegas, won't work with me.

If you're going to adopt a 'bold' strategy, then by golly stick with it.  Don't come over all mealy-mouthed and wishy-washy when it didn't work out.

I think their most basic mistake was thinking that because women weren't threatening to riot in Denver that we didn't care and wouldn't act.  Well, kids, someone has said it better than I:

Well, if you told me you were drowning,
I would not lend a hand
I've seen your face before my friend,
But I don't know if you know who I am
Well, I was there and saw what you did,
Saw it with my own two eyes
So you can wipe off that grin, I know where you've been
It's all been a pack of lies

Anyone think they have even a clue that that's what all this lip-service sounds like, how offensive it is and how unlikely it is to work?

I don't want a speech from Obama.  I don't want to hear Michelle talk about how deeply - deeply - her husband cares about women - or about how important these issues are because they have daughters.

I don't want all the fingers pointing at the media - yes there was plenty of sexism there, but how much would there have been if the candidate himself, and his campaign and his surrogates had made it clear from the get-go that it would not be tolerated?

Aside from the fact that the rampant sexism was allowed and encouraged, I'm finding it hugely offensive that the powers-that-be in the party think women are so stupid that all we need is an "I'm sorry, honey, it won't happen again" and a dozen roses in order for us to just let it all go for the sake of winning the White House.

I am not a Hillary worshiper.  I am not entirely an Obama disenchanted.  But I refuse to accept the treatment that a woman received by the entire national media including women and kiss and makeup with a few cooing words.

Dean can know that because he did not advocate for one of his own for nine months+ that I think him a first class jerk and a pandering a--. Really, he might as well sit back and shut up about this.

And for McCaskill, I can only show reverence to the karma universe in that she disappears into the former elected.

Why did he choose not to?  Occam's Razor says he was perfectly happy with sexism playing a role in this race.   If he wasn't, then he should've said something.

Same thing for Pelosi and Reid.

They want unity, they should've thought of that two months ago and helped ensure they got a nominee people felt they could unify around instead of ensuring they got a particular nominee.

All of the calls for her to stand aside, which would have been unheard of if she was a male, reminds me that women were told to stand aside to allow black men the right to vote back in the 1800's. It took another fifty years for women to get the right to vote.

Young women who support Obama, naively see a post-feminist society. Not knowing history and being blind to the raging sexism that occurred this primary season will, I fear, be a lesson in self-defeatism.

Come on and "woo" me Mr. Dean and Mr. Obama.  I'll watch the  to see if you give Hillary some plum that will help her with her dream toward universal health care.  Guess I shouldn't hold my breath, but if things change I will do something for the cause. I might start a list first. 1) stop caucuses, 2) hold all primaries at the same time, and 3) remove this  super delegate mess.

I'll vote Obama, but  I'm going to stay silent. I'll say nothing to encourage, no calling, no working, no lawn sign, no bumper sticker, no money, nothing but a vote void of encouragement.

I think that organizing, and then throwing some weight around, for women's issue within the party structure more forthrightly might one good way to go.

I know there are plenty of groups out there...(NOW etc) but I'm talking about taking over these branches of the party.

But I think the question should be: what can or should believers in equality ask for, beyond a speech?  

Obama is flawed, the party is flawed.  But if you think McCain is the same or just as bad, please look again.  Forget about Roe, which has been waved in peoples' faces too many times already.  Let's look at a bill now in Congress to overturn the disastrous Supreme Court decision in Ledbetter - a case in which the Court severely restricted women's right to sue for discrimination in employment.  The plaintiff in Ledbetter was a woman who was passed over for promotion who discovered her situation years later.  She argued that she should be able to bring suit because she was affected by discrimination every single pay period.  Not so, said the Court.  They decided she had to file suit at the time of the first discriminatory employment decision and then they threw out her case.  Because the Court's decision was based on its reading of the law, Congress drafted a bill to change the law, to give plaintiffs like Ledbetter a right to sue.  

Obama and Clinton both strongly support the bill.  McCain was against it.  

For what he is,  I do respect McCain and he will do what is right when a crisis hits.  I trust he is going to the right to win this election and he will be back where he was when he ran in 2000.

The media gave us Bush, the Iraq war, and now Obama.  I don't want any of these three.

If Obama wins the Whitehouse, this type of behavior would have been endorsed.  It is meaningless to see that tool Howard Dean come out now.  Where was he in March?

"Clinton may have lost this fight as early as Feb. '05 with the election of Howard Dean as chairman of the Democratic National Committee.  Dean's election was a clear break from the past, and from the Clinton way of running the DNC."

http://www.openleft.com/quickHits.do
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=5637

as this site becomes more and more supportive of Obama's campaign, are the comments section simply going to be in defiance of that support? or will most just leave?

That's a question, all right, but since the topic of this thread is the lateness of the Democratic establishment to take heed of the virulent mysogyny directed at Senator Clinton, it's a stupid question.  Or, at the least, an inappropriate one.

But that's no suprise, is it Boris?  After all, stupid or inappropriate questions--or remarks--are one of the specialties of the mosquito-like Obama trolls who buzz around here hourly simply to try to plant their stingers.  

On the other hand, perhaps I'm wrong.  Perhaps you understand the subject of the thread all too well, but you're so indifferent to BTD's point--and to the corruscating effect of the msyogyny on both Senator Clinton (& Chelsea) and the Democratic Party--that you deliberately asked an off-topic question to show your contempt.

Well, why not?  Most of your posts reek of that contempt.  Though you don't seem to know that.  Odd, or maybe not so odd.  Nobody's ever accused Obama's admirers of an excess of self-awareness.  Self-infatuation, yes.  Self-righeousness, you bet.  Self-pity, in spades.

And if I might rephrase your question (off-topic, that it is)....as this site becomes more and more supportive of Obama's campaign--and thus cripples your motive for nasty needling--will you just leave?