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Negligent Pool Installation Leads to Criminal Prosecution

Given the Republican aversion to business regulation that has dominated government for so many years, it has become increasingly unusual to see civil penalties assessed against businesses that manufacture unsafe products, that install those products in an unsafe manner, or that provide an unsafe working environment for their employees. It is extraordinarily unusual to see criminal prosecutions of businesses when negligence leads to death. That's what makes the prosecution of David Lionetti both newsworthy and troublesome.

David Lionetti was arrested yesterday on a manslaughter charge in the death of Zachary Cohn. Six-year-old Cohn drowned last summer after becoming trapped by the suction of a drain in his family's pool in Greenwich, Conn. The pool had been installed by Lionetti's company Shoreline Pools. ... In issuing the warrant for Lionetti's arrest, law enforcement officials state that he failed to have his company install mandated safety devices in the Cohn family pool. As a result Zachary Cohn was able to remove the cover and was caught in the suction power of the drain. His parents were unable to free him before he drowned.

If the alleged facts are true, Lionetti's company was clearly negligent and civilly liable for damages. But if Lionetti is criminally responsible for negligence, why not also arrest the actual installers who failed to install the required safety devices? And why not arrest the parents who failed to supervise their child as he removed the drain cover? Should every act of negligence be treated as a crime? [more ...]

For that matter, why wasn't the president of Ford Motors prosecuted when Ford decided not to spend the additional $11 per car it would have taken to keep Ford Pintos from exploding in rear end collisions? Why not arrest the presidents of the tobacco companies who lied to the public and to Congress about the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke? Or the manufacturers and distributors of unsafe toys, unsafe food, unsafe car seats for children, or a variety of other products that have caused death due to corporate malfeasance?

True, if Lionetti made a deliberate decision not to comply with safety statutes in order to cut costs, he's in a much different position than individuals who are passively negligent. He arguably acted with a state of mind that was deliberately indifferent to a serious risk. But the same is certainly true of larger players like Ford or Phillip Morris.

Is Lionetti being prosecuted because he's a small potato who doesn't have the resources or political clout of a big business? Is it fair to prosecute Lionetti while giving a pass to corporations that have negligently caused the deaths of thousands?

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    Um, it's Greenwich, Connecticut. (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:25:28 PM EST
    It's the home of hedge funds and reaally annoying people with way too much money and time on their hands.

    Viz.:  (from the wiki article) in a town of 61,000 people, there are 2,337 cars worth more than $50,000 in town.

    The town's 2006 Grand List (tax rolls) includes more than $1 billion in assessed values for automobiles, which raised $5.5 million in revenue for the town. Overall, there were 2,337 cars worth more than $50,000 on the list, and there were 3,769 BMWs, 3,474 Mercedes-Benzes, 931 Porsches, 94 Ferraris, 90 Bentleys, 65 Aston Martins, 40 Maseratis, 39 Rolls-Royces, four registered Maybachs (a brand that can retail for up to $385,000), and one Lamborghini. Greenwich has the only authorized Aston Martin dealership in the state.[11]

    The median price for a single-family home in town was $1.7 million in 2006, when about 140 properties sold for $5 million or more, according to Prudential Connecticut Realty. In 2007, the highest asking prices for residential property in town were $39.5 million for the 76 acre estate of actor Mel Gibson on Old Mill Road, $19.7 million for a 13,000-square-foot (1,200 m²) mansion on 8.7 acres with a private lake, and $38 million for an estate with formal gardens and a greenhouse the size of a cottage.[12]

    Even if - big if - the pool installation company has a good Comprehensive General Liability policy ("CGL") with whatever rider it needs to have full coverage (typically considered to be in the $1 million to $3 million per person per incident range) the wonderful parents of the dead child will surely not be satisfied with merely exhausting the policy.  And, to be sure, the lowly pool installing company guy is certainly considered as some sort of servant by many of the customers, i.e., barely human.  But, the point is, Mummy and Daddy will not be able to recoup enough out of this guy's company, assets and everything, to compensate them for their poor dead child.

    I avoided speculating - and did a little research.  The poor dead child's father is the president of one of the largest hedge funds in the world.  From the article:

    Police are investigating how the 6-year-old son of the president of one of the world's largest hedge funds drowned in his family's pool.

    * * *

    As part of the investigation, police were checking the pool's drainage equipment, authorities told the Greenwich Time.

    * * *

    As president of SAC Capital, which is headed by billionaire Steven Cohen, Mr. Cohn assists in running one of the world's most successful hedge funds, with about $13 billion in assets.

    So, what's behind the prosecution?  A noble's son died.  Casting about for some cause other than their own negligence in leaving a six-year old alone in the pool long enough to drown - note how the newspaper article does not say whether the parents were home (The NYP does, but not how close to the pool they were) - the noble parents seize upon criminalizing a tragic accident which, among proles, would be handled by a lawsuit and transfer of money.  Because, of course, the rich are never penalized for their own negligence (like leaving their kid unattended long enough to drown), (see, e.g., Deadeye Dick Cheney and his shooting party), a suitable defendant had to be found.  Casting about for a theory, and seeking to mollify a family which could buy and sell their department, the police decided upon the pool guy.  I mean, what normal kid gets a column written in complete sentences in the NY Post?  Absent being the victim of child abuse?  

    And, just to make things a bit spicier, Distraught Dad is suing the local government over the death of the child and the government's having approved the installation.  He quit his job - as hedge fund manager - to work the lawsuit and militate for childrens' safety.  Ohh, boy.

    Thus, the town has every interest in laying the blame elsewhere.  Therefore, because the town needs an out, in the police's eyes the child was injured by a member of the servant class, the pool guy, therefore the servant must be sent to the dungeon.  That's what.

    Don't take this as saying I don't grieve for the parents' loss of a child - I do.  But the town and police are offering this pool guy up to save their own skins and the parents' wealth is getting a treatment out of all proportion.

    Good God, scribe. (none / 0) (#6)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:43:21 PM EST
    How so, suo? (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:50:28 PM EST
    A CHILD DIED. (none / 0) (#13)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:46:32 PM EST
    Do we only care about the deaths of poor children?

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    The point is, the town and police would not, (none / 0) (#17)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:04:22 PM EST
    in all likelihood, be prosecuting this contractor had the child not been the child of a very wealthy and powerful man (capable of buying and selling the whole police department), and had that very wealthy and powerful man not quit his exceedingly high-powered and high-paying job to spend all his time superintending a lawsuit against the town, over the town's alleged negligence, for the death of his child.

    I have no doubt that the dead child's parents and family loved him very much.  I have no doubt this child's death was absolutely tragic.  And I similarly have no doubt this prosecution would never have been brought had the dead child not been of the upper-class and had this child's father not gone after the town in the first place.  The town needed a fall guy to take the heat off the town, so they picked on the weakest guy in the room - the contractor.

    To my eyes, this prosecution is class warfare at its worst.

    This was a sad, tragic, and detestable accident.  But it was not a crime.

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    It's tragic.... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:32:50 PM EST
    I don't know what chaining and caging a plumber accomplishes though.

    I think scribe's onto something...if it was a child of the ghetto in a public pool no one would be going to jail...I think that is a safe assumption.  The city would get sued and the parent(s) would be awarded a civil settlement, the same should apply here if the plumber contractor did faulty work...a civil suit that bankrupts the contractor and puts him out of the pool installation business.

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    It would only bankrupt the contractor (none / 0) (#23)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:46:03 PM EST
    if he didn't carry insurance.  This civil exposire is likely (depending on which riders and coverages and exclusions he had) covered by his CGL.

    To be fair, most contractors working in the upscale neighborhoods (like this one) carry insurance.  The contractor whose company is a guy with a pickup, a wheelbarrow, two shovels and his ne'er-do-well brother-in-law doesn't get work in this sort of neighborhood.

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    It probably still works though.... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:53:27 PM EST
    after a multi-million dollar wrongful death suit I don't think this contractor will be able to get insurance ever again.

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    especially if the public pool was brand-new like this one was.

    fwiw, this "plumber" had a mysterious fire in his warehouse just 3 days before he was arrested in which, among many other things, 38 of his trucks were burned, so I'm not sure he's your average joe schmo plumber...

    And his employees are highly trained technicians, according to the co's website.

    And the drain safety valve that is alleged to have not been installed and caused the child's death is listed on the co's website as being required by law.

    To me this comes down to intent.

    If the owner had instructed or trained his guys to not install the required by law safety devices and the absence of which causes injury or death, then I think he should be eligible for criminal charges just like car repair shop guy who causes injury or death by instructing his mechanics not to install the required by law air-bags in the cars they repair.

    But if some "plumber" who worked for him made the decision not to install the safety devices, that's another thing altogether.

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    Well, (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by bocajeff on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:50:23 PM EST
    I think this hinges on why the safety devices that were mandated didn't get installed. If it was an oversight or was purposely not installed. If it was purposeful then I have no problem with this guy being held criminally - imagine a chef purposefully putting arsenic in your food. I can't imagine anyone building a pool or spa without the safety drains on them. It doesn't cost much relative to the rest of the job so what's the big deal?

    I guess I don't understand contract law (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:50:43 PM EST
    as it would seem to apply here.  They're going after this guy because he was the, well, contractor.  The shared root word of contractor and contract law would seem to be significant -- he's the guy who did the contract.  

    And if the contract was a standard one that says that work will be done to local standards, and as it seems that it was not, then he is liable.

    But then, I'm not a lawyer.  I guess I just read and sign contracts for my house with a lot of contractors who aren't liable for their contracts, while I am.  Interesting how that works.

    Civil v. Criminal (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by TChris on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:51:12 PM EST
    Nobody questions that the contractor is liable for breach of contract (which probably wouldn't lead to much in the way of civil damages) or for wrongful death based on negligence (which could lead to a whopping big award of civil damages depending upon whether state law limits or caps such damages, as many states do in the interest of protecting deep pockets).  The remedy for breach of contract or negligence is money.  Completely different from a criminal prosecution where the contractor doesn't just lose money but could go to prison.

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    Ah, thanks. Of course. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:17:13 PM EST
    So it will be interesting to see if there is evidence of intent, etc., I gather, to merit criminal charges.  Got it.

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    Probably not criminal (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by eric on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:09:50 PM EST
    I practice construction law and find this charge ridiculous.  Failing to install things that are "required" by code, by installation instructions, or by "construction standards" is not nearly as straight forward as it sounds.  I can tell you from personal experience that I can hire an expert that will give you a different version of what was "proper" or "required" in almost every circumstance.  This is in the context of civil lawsuits.  Contractors make lots of mistakes.  That is just the way it is.

    Furthermore, I think we all need a little primer on the difference between simple (civil) negligence and criminal negligence.  Criminal negligence is essentially "gross" negligence.  It's extreme negligence.  It isn't a mistake.  It's an action that is taken with conscious disregard of the rights or safety of others.

    The only Crim Jig that I could find to cut and paste, from Alaska, but it seems to be pretty standard:


    A person acts "with criminal negligence" with respect to a result or circumstance described by a provision of law defining an offense when the person fails to perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that the result will occur or that the circumstance exists. The risk must be of such a nature and degree that the failure to perceive it constitutes a gross deviation from the standard of care that a reasonable person would observe in the situation.

    Anyway, things that qualify as criminal negligence are things like driving while drunk, driving 100 MPH at night without headlights, etc.  Failing to follow installation instructions for a drain, for me, clearly don't qualify.  It would be different if you could show me a guy who told his men something like, "don't bother installing that safety device - who cares if someone gets sucked into it."

    BTW, last summer, here in Minneapolis a young girl had her intestines sucked out by a pool drain. She later died.  No charges here, though.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:31:38 PM EST
    Failing to follow installation instructions for a drain, for me, clearly don't qualify.
    if this were comparible to the issue in this thread, I would agree with you, but it's clearly not.

    It's not that they didn't follow a drain installation instructions correctly, it's that they completely failed to install:

    a) two drains instead of one and
    2) a safety valve in the drain they did install.

    Both of which are required by law and at least one of which is listed in the co's website.

    It would be different if you could show me a guy who told his men something like, "don't bother installing that safety device - who cares if someone gets sucked into it."
    That I agree with, although I would simplify it to "don't bother installing that safety device."

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    I couldn'tr agree with you more, Eric (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:39:17 PM EST
    I came up through construction litigation (contract claims) and later worked for a municipality where one of my bailiwicks was keeping an eye on the construction code office and official and another was checking their construction contracts and bidding.

    I've been on all sides of fights over code compliance - the government's, the contractor's, and the owner's.

    There are so many defenses - all of them valid - that there is no way this case should have been brought.  And, before someone says "well, maybe he bought off the city inspector or someone", if that's the case, where's the indictment/charge against the allegedly corrupted official?

    As to the conspiracy theorists pointing at the big fire in the shop, that happens for innocent reasons often enough that no clear conclusion can, or should, be drawn from it.

    And, as to the people pointing at the 38 trucks or whatever, showing this guy was no fly-by-night, that also tends to show that his company was so big that he, personally, had little or no involvement in the fine details of the job performance.  He was likely removed by two or three levels of supervision from the guys who actually did the work.  Where's the personal connection to the defendant's conduct which would be necessary to impose criminal responsibility on him for, at best, a negligent act?

    No, I keep coming back to what I said before here  

    So, what's behind the prosecution?  A noble's son died.  Casting about for some cause other than their own negligence in leaving a six-year old alone in the pool long enough to drown ... the noble parents seize upon criminalizing a tragic accident which, among proles, would be handled by a lawsuit and transfer of money.  Because, of course, the rich are never penalized for their own negligence ... a suitable defendant had to be found.  Casting about for a theory, and seeking to mollify a family which could buy and sell their department, the police decided upon the pool guy.  ...

    And, just to make things a bit spicier, Distraught Dad is suing the local government over the death of the child and the government's having approved the installation.  He quit his job - as hedge fund manager - to work the lawsuit and militate for childrens' safety.  

    * * *

    Thus, the town has every interest in laying the blame elsewhere.  ...  But the town and police are offering this pool guy up to save their own skins and the parents' wealth is getting a treatment out of all proportion.


    and here:

    in all likelihood, [no one would] be prosecuting this contractor had the child not been the child of a very wealthy and powerful man (capable of buying and selling the whole police department), and had that very wealthy and powerful man not quit his exceedingly high-powered and high-paying job to spend all his time superintending a lawsuit against the town, over the town's alleged negligence, for the death of his child. ...

     I similarly have no doubt this prosecution would never have been brought had the dead child not been of the upper-class and had this child's father not gone after the town in the first place.  The town needed a fall guy to take the heat off the town, so they picked on the weakest guy in the room - the contractor. ...

    This was a sad, tragic, and detestable accident.  But it was not a crime.




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    That girl's case was so awful. (none / 0) (#30)
    by Cream City on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:18:53 PM EST
    I thought of it, too.

    A question:  Weren't there, as I recall, some sort of criminal charges in the case of the Hyatt walkway that fell and killed more than 100?

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    The designers lost (none / 0) (#32)
    by eric on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:25:49 PM EST
    their licenses.

    LINK

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    Again, losing your license is civil (none / 0) (#40)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:20:29 PM EST
    not criminal.

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    john edwards (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by txpublicdefender on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:35:56 PM EST
    If I recall correctly, Rush Limbaugh or some other wingnut used to always refer to John Edwards as something like "a trial lawyer who specialized in hot tub cases" in reference to a large civil verdict he won against a pool contractor or manufacturer involving a young girl who was caught on one of those drains and had her intestines sucked out.

    This is exactly the type of case that should probably result in civil liability, but criminal prosecution is ludicrous.  

    It reminds me of cases where overzealous prosecutors have gone after doctors on murder or manslaughter charges for medical malpractice cases that resulted in death.  Those types of prosecutions are outrageous and scare the hell out of doctors.  Now, if a doctor is drunk or high while attending to a patient and that intoxication leads to a mistake that directly causes the patient's death, I could support a criminal prosecution.  But other than that, it is just outrageous.

    Human beings make mistakes.  Sometimes, those mistakes lead to someone's death.  Just because someone died, even when that someone is a small child, doesn't mean that it was a crime.  In all but the most extreme cases, civil liability is the appropriate remedy.

    Just to be clear, (none / 0) (#38)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:47:35 PM EST
    we're talking about a pool contractor with 40 years expereince who allegedly

    1. neglected to install two drains instead of just one (the idea, I suppose, is that the suction is 1/2 in each one) and

    2. neglected to install a safety valve in the drain he did install

    Both of which are required by law.

    Hard to find the "Oops, my bad." in that.


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    It probably comes (none / 0) (#39)
    by eric on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:57:20 PM EST
    from years working with contractors, but I can think of dozens of issues that would cloud what appears to be a straight-forward situation.

    -Two drains?  What for?  I've been doing this for 40 years and I always install only one.
    -Two drains?  I that wasn't in my contract.  If you want two drains, you have to pay for it.
    -Two drains?  That is only going to lead to bigger problems.
    -Two drains?  That wouldn't have worked with this pool.
    -Two drains?  The inspector told me one would be fine.

    On and on and on.

    This is not to excuse it.  But it is meant to show that this could be a tragic mistake that falls significantly short of criminal negligence.

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    I have a degree in Civil Engineering (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:23:14 PM EST
    and worked in construction for years.

    The "oops, my bad" defense to failing to comply with major safety laws passed that were assuredly well known by the contractor and discussed in every trade magazine, trade show, by every sub-contractor, and especially by the safety-valve vendors knocking the contractor's and pool designer's doors down (not only is their product now required by law, but each pool will require at least 2!), etc., is unacceptable, and almost assuredly, imo, from what we know now, not an oversight.

    Now if the law was passed at the time the pool was being built, or he subbed out the whole job from design to completion, I could see some grey area.

    Although, as his massive warehouse mysteriously burned to the ground 3 days before his arraignment, it doesn't sound like he felt he was in any grey area...

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    Anyway, like I said upthread, (none / 0) (#43)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 04:55:31 PM EST
    to me it boils down to the particulars - which we don't know at this point.

    If the required-by-law safety equipment was neglected to be installed by order of the co owner, I think it's completely understandable that he be brought up on criminal charges.

    If the equipment wasn't installed due to the decisions of his employees, that's a whole different ball of wax.

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    I am all for criminal prosections of (none / 0) (#1)
    by MarkL on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:02:03 PM EST
    heads of corporations who make decisions resulting in foreseeable deaths. Getting this one guy doesn't make much sense though, I agree.

    It's interesting you mention (none / 0) (#2)
    by Makarov on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:07:40 PM EST
    the case of the Ford Pinto.

    As a college student over 15 years ago, I took a course in Business Ethics. We had a special speaker for one class, then a professor/instructor at my university, who had been the head of Ford's recall department in the mid-late 70's.

    We'd been given a "case study" type of reading in advance, and after reviewing it was sure I would've supported a recall decision in the case of the Pinto. Then, I attended class and listened to the speaker. Though he deeply regretted his decision in hindsight, at the time he voted with everyone else at the meeting to not recommend a recall of the vehicle. What surprised me, a raging anti-corporate liberal, was that when he was done I could understand how he reached that decision, and was completely unsure of how I would've acted in his place with the information he had at the time.

    I learned well from that experience that not every decision is black and white.

    How funny (none / 0) (#3)
    by Steve M on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:22:57 PM EST
    I got assigned to debate the Pinto case in my Business Ethics class in the late 80s.  And I was assigned to the Ford side of the debate, which I thought I'd never be able to defend, but it actually turned out to be a pretty reasonable argument!

    I think if one ever aspires to be more than just an ideologue it's essential to understand the opposing argument in cases like this one, whether or not you ultimately subscribe to it.

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    Scary prosecution.... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 12:27:00 PM EST
    Ever give a friend a hand installing something?  I know have lots of times.  

    Now imagine going to jail if you make a mistake in the installation?  That's freakin' scary.

    Civil liability for willfull negligence is one thing...criminal prosecutions are quite another.  I don't think we wanna go there.

    Every tragedy isn't a crime...if anything, from the info provided, the parents are most to blame.  If you have a pool you need to teach your kids to respect it and watch 'em like a hawk 24/7.  Round my way they have all kinds of requirements...fences of a certain height, audible alarms, etc...and none of them can stop an unsupervised and/or uneducated kid from drowning.  

    This reminds me of the air bag scam (none / 0) (#10)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:02:14 PM EST
    where you get in a car accident and your airbags goes off, and the repair shop charges you/your ins. co. for replacing the airbags (~$1800/ea, iirc) but doesn't actually replace the bags so they pocket the money.

    So, next time you get in an accident you have no air bags which results in injury and perhaps death.

    I'd have no problem supporting criminal charges against the repair shop.

    This pool drain-guard issue is not quite the same thing, but if the pool co. was paid to install the guard and purposely neglected to do so, it's gotta be pretty darn close.

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    I guess I see... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:13:34 PM EST
    too easy a chance at innocent human error or oversight leading to a prison term.

    I've been on a few jobsites in my life...mistakes get made, sometimes big dangerous ones...with no ill intent.  

    I guess I see the inevitable railroad job where the 10 dollar an hour laborer ordered to do something he/she ain't trained to do ends up in jail because he/she installed something wrong.  

    Civil liability is enough of a deterrent, imo.

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    Maybe so. (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:39:15 PM EST
    fwiw, according to my googling,
    Under a state law adopted in 2004, new pools must have three or more anti-entrapment features included to ensure safety.

    One is an approved anti-vortex drain cover, another is the placement of two suction drains at least three feet apart to split the force of the suction, and a third is a vacuum release system that uses a sensor to cut off power to the drains when an object blocks the flow of water.

    It looks like the contractor "forgot" two of the requirments:
    There are basically two things they neglected to do," Cohen said. "There were supposed to be two drains a certain distance apart and a vacuum release system, which would have cut off the pump and is designed to prevent just this type of thing happening."
    That said, apparently the town may also have been negligent in it's responsibilites as well:
    Under state law, municipal building inspectors are responsible for ensuring pool plans are up to code and inspecting the finished pool before issuing a certificate of occupancy.

    The lawsuit contends the town issued the permits without inspecting the plans or conducting a final inspection before issuing the certificate.

    As an aside, let's all blindly embrace greater gvt regulation of business because the gvt will protect us from stuff like this from happening. Oops.

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    An aside.... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:57:44 PM EST
    I get pressured by plumbers to play engineer all the time on my job...sizing relief valves and regulators and such where if you make a mistake things can explode and people can die.  I always cover my arse and say "I think you need Valve Model X, but check with your sepcifying engineer and local codes to confirm".

    Maybe I should stop doing that, I could get locked up if the plumber ignores me.

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    I think you're covering your arse (none / 0) (#16)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:01:21 PM EST
    pretty well with that response.

    Aren't the plans and/or construction reviewed/inspected before a cert of occupancy is issued?

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    Not sure... (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:20:48 PM EST
    I'd imagine so.  I can't speak for building code so much as plumbing code.  In the case of backflow preventers to prevent water supply contamination, for example, a certified tester has to inspect and test the valve before the plumber can get off the job.

    If job specs are getting reviewed before a job starts the localities are doing a terrible job there...I've seen job specs where you wonder if the engineer finished high school, much less has an engineering degree.  I'm talking scary stuff.  

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    Yep, (none / 0) (#19)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:29:20 PM EST
    I'm sure we can pass a law that will make sure that never happens again. ;-)

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    Amen.... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:37:04 PM EST
    all the plumbing and building code in the world will not save a kid whose parents can't keep them from lifting off pool covers and taking unsupervised dips.

    I was out at my sisters pool this weekend, carrying my niece into the gated pool area when she starts screaming like mad.  I asked what's wrong and she screams "I need my life jacket to go in there!"  She turns 4 next week.

    My sister has 'em well trained on pool safety.

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    It's not nearly that simple (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 02:42:42 PM EST
    and the first thing that needs to be remembered is that building codes vary from state to state and, sometimes, within states.  

    As to plan review, some states require that the plans be reviewed and approved by the building department (and zoning, if applicable) prior to any work being done.  Some don't.

    What complies with code?  Some states adopt the BOCA code en toto, some adopt only part.  Some adopt their own code, which might or might not be the same as BOCA's.  Some (down South, IIRC) have no statewide building code.

    Some states allow localities to adopt their own building codes, and some preempt the localities from doing that.

    Then there is the mechanism for inspection.  Some states require municipalities to hire their own employee inspectors.  Some allow them to hire contract inspectors.  Some allow the contractor to hire the inspector.  And some states have the inspectors on the state payroll.  Some states allow more than one of these arrangements.

    And then there are the penalties for non-compliance.  Literally all over the universe of possible solutions.

    And, finally, we introduce the human element -  inspectors who're mad at every (or just one particular) contractor and shuts down job(s) at the slightest provocation and the inspector for whom knowledgeable contractors contribute to his tab at the local gin mill.

    And enforcement can take myriad forms - from "hey, fix that" to "what's the maximum dollar penalty I can squeeze out of you".

    I've known a couple lawyers who made their whole career on representing builders v. inspectors, inspectors v. government, government v. builders and inspectors.  Rare is the situation where anyone represented the homeowner (as opposed to the commercial property owner).

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    Tell me about it.... (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:04:12 PM EST
    my company covers half of NY and half of NJ for various manufacturers, what's up to code in one town is a violation a few miles over.  Bueracratic nightmare.

    So much of code is profit driven too....when I went to salesperson training for one manufacturer they encouraged the outside sales guys to buddy up to the code officials to get their products into the code, shutting out the competition and forcing the public to buy your sh*t or get fined, whether it's truly necessary for safety or not.

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    I don't understand your response, (none / 0) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:21:38 PM EST
    are you saying kdog's not covering his arse? If not, what should he be saying?

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    plan review (none / 0) (#44)
    by Joe Bob on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 06:33:41 PM EST
    Granted, I've only been in design/construction for 13 years, but I've never heard of a code official being held liable for code violations that they failed to note.

    Responsibility starts and ends with those who designed and installed the pool. This is why we have licenses for contractors of all sorts. Municipal building inspectors have neither the time nor the resources to verify that every aspect of every project subject to inspection is 100% code compliant. Contractors are licensed because the inspector needs to be able to start with the assumption the work is done properly.


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    Sounds reasonable to me. (none / 0) (#46)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:08:12 PM EST
    from a purely (none / 0) (#9)
    by cpinva on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 01:01:45 PM EST
    "risk analysis" standpoint, the ford pinto decision was a no-brainer. except (there's always an "except"!), what ford didn't (and probably had no way of), figuring on was the inordinate level of horrid publicity resulting from the case. it added to the already prevalent negative feelings about ford products in general (Fix Or Repair Daily), and trashed their earnings for several years.

    it did have some positive fallout though, resulting in the strengthening of the rules regarding mandatory notification of owners, for safety issues, and free repairs/modifications of said vehicles.

    in that regard, one could almost say the victims didn't die truly horrific deaths in complete vain. i'd still rather not be the test bunny.

    myself, i'm inclined to believe that gross, wilfull negligence, that can reasonably be known to potentialy lead to injury/death, is a criminal act. i believe the law labels it as such also.

    that the parents failed in their parental duty is irrelevant; had the proper safety equipment been installed, the child wouldn't have been able to open the cover to begin with.

    to me, that's like saying "if the parents hadn't filled the tank of that pinto, before allowing junior to drive it, the ensuing deadly explosion and fire wouldn't have been so huge.", it still doesn't relieve ford from responsibility for their knowing act.

    What is the penalty for negligent troop (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:38:16 PM EST
    installation in a foreign country?

    That's easy brother.... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 08:06:40 AM EST
    the penalty is re-election.

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    and negligent wiring in showers? (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:39:32 PM EST
    on military bases in Iraq?????

    good point (none / 0) (#37)
    by eric on Tue Jul 22, 2008 at 03:44:44 PM EST
    Additional info: (none / 0) (#47)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:24:59 PM EST
    Affidavit says pool president knew of safety lawBy JOHN CHRISTOFFERSEN | Associated Press Writer
    July 23, 2008
    NEW HAVEN, Conn. - A swimming pool company president charged with second-degree manslaughter in connection with the drowning of a 6-year-old boy had been told about a law requiring a safety device but failed to install it in the pool, according to an arrest affidavit. [...]

    The affidavit quotes Lionetti's attorney as saying Shoreline Pools was not aware that a state law passed in 2003 and effective in 2004 required the device.

    But John Romano, past president of the Northeast Pool and Spa Association and president of a pool company in Norwalk, said he told Lionetti about the new law as part of an awareness campaign the trade group conducted in October 2005.

    "We had a cordial conversation and he said he would check out and see what the new code was and that he thought that the pools he was building were safe in code compliance with the exception to the SVRS units," Romano said, according to the affidavit.

    A town permit was issued for the pool in June 2005 and a certificate of occupancy was issued in August 2006, the affidavit says.

    The trade group also sent alerts to Shoreline Pools about code changes, the affidavit said. Numerous employees of Shoreline Pools, including Lionetti, attended annual trade shows where the devices were displayed and marketed, according to the affidavit.

    Lionetti failed to attend any continuing education classes in 2006 and 2007 that were required for renewal of his state trade license and his license has lapsed, according to the affidavit. [...]

    By charging manslaughter, prosecutors have set a high bar in which they must prove Lionetti knew about the law mandating the safety device and consciously disregarded an unjustifiable risk, Meehan said.

    But Jeffrey Meyer, a Quinnipiac law professor and a former federal prosecutor, said prosecutors do not necessarily have to prove Lionetti knew about the law though that would help their case. He said authorities must show he consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk.

    "It seems to me the state's going to have a pretty strong case given the existence of a clear legal standard," Meyer said.

    There is also some info supporting Lionetti in that article.

    What is an SVRS? (none / 0) (#49)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:33:51 PM EST
    And, on the other hand... (none / 0) (#48)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jul 23, 2008 at 12:31:04 PM EST
    Charges may be difficult to prove
    By Martin B. Cassidy
    Staff Writer
    Article Launched: 07/23/2008 02:31:16 AM EDT

    A manslaughter charge such as that brought against the owner of a company which built a pool in which a 6-year-old died are not unknown, but they can be difficult prosecute successfully, lawyers and academics said yesterday.

    Even if Shoreline Pools failed to install safeguard devices required under the state building code, it will be difficult to prove that David Lionetti, its president, was directly responsible and recklessly caused Zachary Archer Cohn's drowning death, said Michael Sherman, a Stamford-based criminal attorney.[...]

    Prosecutors could convict Lionetti of manslaughter if they show he chose not to outfit the Cohn's pool with the devices despite knowing of the legal requirement to do so, said Jeffrey Meyer, a professor of criminal procedure at the Quinnipiac School of Law in Hamden.[...]

    If Lionetti maintains he was ignorant of the standards, prosecutors could counter with a "willful blindness" argument, that Lionetti deliberately overlooked learning about the building requirements, perhaps to avoid the expense or trouble of following them, Meyer said.

    "That can be hard to prove," Meyer said of willful blindness. "The prosecution is going to better off to the extent it can prove he knew the standards than that he should of known them."

    Yale Law School Professor Steven Duke said to obtain a conviction for manslaughter prosecutors will have to prove that Lionetti was aware of the serious risk of death posed by not installing the safety features and furthermore that he was aware that employees didn't install the devices in that specific pool.

    "I think it quite doubtful that the state can succeed in imposing criminal responsibility on the president of the company vicariously and hold him responsible for what an employee of his company did or failed to do with regard to the pool at issue," Duke said.

    Eugene Riccio, a Bridgeport-based criminal defense attorney, said while the case appears unusual, he could imagine a successful prosecution being made on the theory that the missing safety measures reflected a reckless level of disregard for safety.

    Under state law, one factor in a manslaughter charge is "recklessness," defined as performing an action with the knowledge of a significant and unjustifiable risk of death or injury to another.

    "Manslaughter is not just taking out a gun or a knife and taking somebody's life," Riccio said. "It is not unheard of for business owners to be arrested for something they do in the conduct of their businesses that is deemed illegal and results in death." [...]