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Your turn to ponder the fact that the Yankees lead the Red Sox 7-3 in the bottom of the 6th inning at Fenway, threatening to move one game back of the Sox for the wild card (the Rays lead the division by 1 over the Sox and 3 over the Yanks.) If the Yanks hold on, it will be their 8th straight win.

Oh by the way, just 35 days until the Rainbows of Hawaii visit the Florida Gators to kick off (well, it kicks it off for me) the 2008 college football season. Go Gators!!

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    Saw that widest lead yet on Gallup (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:33:08 PM EST
    tracking poll -- another is a bit different but not much.  

    At the same time, the realpolitics.com tracking of the crucial Electoral College count has gone down for Obama, oddly.  The result, apparently, of the tightening of the vote even to ties in some swing states.  

    In sum, you're right that it's early days yet.  (Your preemptive attack, though, is not nice.  That's what Bush did in Iraq, after all.  Not the best role model to emulate.)

    Agreed (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:41:23 PM EST
    Enough with the attacks, in both directions.

    I am on record saying this election is over - and Obama will win.

    It is an opinion. Nothing more.

    Everyone remember that please.

    Everyone can write what they think. and we can civilly discuss the positions taken.

    Let's all be nice.

    Besides, Yanks lead 7-3 in the 8th.

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    Wait, no love out there for (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by TheJoker on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:59:46 PM EST
    my Cubbies? The 100 year drought ends this year baby!   :D

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    And it seems the Mets are also doing (none / 0) (#4)
    by nycstray on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:51:33 PM EST
    well these days  :) I love it when I have back2back games and the teams aren't sucking!

    Just got my yearly invites to my Fantasy Football leagues. I love this time over year when we start getting the overlap. Sends a tingle up my leg, lol!~  ;)

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    Heh (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:54:16 PM EST
    But I hate the Mets. I hope they lose every game.

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    They're my background music (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by nycstray on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:09:48 PM EST
    as I get ready to spend a few hours in the kitchen. Mainly a Yank fan, but have Met fan friends. I like some of the younger players and the spark the team can show. But I don't lose any sleep if they tank  ;) Hopefully it will be a good game tonight, just for the sake of having it on.

    Here's hopin' for a Yankee sweep!

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    Well you don't have to be a NY Yankees (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Rhouse on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:13:06 PM EST
    fan not to be in love with them Amazin' Mets.  I'm  here watching my beloved Phillies try to blow a game to Atlanta while getting a late dinner ready for my sick wife.  Football starts with Joe Pa and Happy Valley,  oh and let's not forget Arena Bowl #? tomorrow in New Orleans.  Hey, the PHILLIES just won, now the Mets need to lose.  
    A question for BTD - How do you feel about the new Yankee stadium?

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    When I see it I will tell you (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:02:25 PM EST
    But the old Yankee Stadium was something to behold for watching a ball game.

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    Make that 10-3 (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:53:40 PM EST
    Yeh, well, watch out for the Brewers! (none / 0) (#11)
    by Cream City on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:02:28 PM EST
    Going to the game tomorrow -- another sell-out, and we may be heading for a record with such a winning team.  We got our Prince Fielder (was ever a man more destined by his game to play the game?:-) and new nobility on the diamond with Carpathia.

    Yeh, so the 8-0 streak was broken last night -- but the Cubbies lost, too, so all is well.

    And it's something else to talk about tomorrow besides the first day of Packer camp and the ongoing Favre debacle.  Will he or won't he be there?

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    Great Obama Berlin visit pics (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by bridget on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:59:38 PM EST
    The Berliner Morgenpost published the following article and a series of really great pictures right after the speech yesterday.

    To view the pics - Bild 1 von 77 - click on "Weiter" = next.

    Sorry, the article is in German but the pictures really are worth checking out.

    Caption under Pic 43 - Obama and Merkel (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by bridget on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:15:25 PM EST
    "Wenn Obama nicht Präsident wird, düfte dies sein letztes Bild vor dieser Kulisse und in dieser Begleitung sein."

    Transl.: If Obama doesn't become president, this should be his last picture in front of this type of background and company.

    Thought that was funny :-)


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    Pic 17 - Rival McCain and Sen Graham listen (none / 0) (#20)
    by bridget on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:40:42 PM EST
    to Obama's Berlin speech in Schmidt's Fudge House, Columbus ;-)

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    True Patriots (5.00 / 0) (#10)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:59:39 PM EST
    Four Iowans were arrested today while attempting to make a Citizens' Arrest of Karl Rove in Des Moines, Iowa. Citing Iowa Code provisions for making Citizen's Arrests as well as citing Federal Statute violations they claimed Rove had violated, the four were stopped at the gate of the Wakonda Country Club in Des Moines where Rove was scheduled to speak at a Republican Fundraiser.

    The four arrested were retired Methodist minister and Peace and Justice Advocate, Rev. Chet Guinn, 80, as well as three Des Moines Catholic Workers, Edward Bloomer, 61, Kirk Brown, 25, and Mona Shaw, 57. All four were cited for trespassing and released.

    The four maintained that they were acting within the guidelines of Iowa Code that obligate private citizens to make such an arrest if they believe a felony has been committed and turn Rove over to police officials to bring Rove before a judge for formal indictment. By law, a federal judge should consider the charges and determine if an indictment should be made.

    link

    Looks like we will have to wait until he leaves the country.

    That is odd- as CNN's (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by kenosharick on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:19:38 PM EST
    "poll of polls" shows the Obama lead down to 3, within the MOE. mccain is also now leading in three states that we were told would be sure Obama blowouts- Colo,Minn, and Mich. Wisconsin has closed a bit as well; it will be a deadheat in Nov., I know my homestate. BTW- I would not be surprised if obama's dissing of the wounded troops in Europe hurts him a bit.

    I thought the (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by Jane in CA on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:16:30 PM EST
    McCain ad was surprisingly effective, particularly since I originally assumed the Obama oversight wouldn't get any traction.

    I am constantly surprised at what gets ignored, and what gets played up in this campaign.

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    Been To Target Lately? (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by JimWash08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 08:21:17 PM EST
    So, I was at a Target store in Arlington, Va. today and I was looking for a greeting card for a colleague ... when I chanced upon ... wait for it ...

    Election Greeting Cards with McCain's and Obama's mugs on them. LOL!

    I could be wrong, but this might be a first-ever, but who's bright idea was it to make greeting cards with politicians' faces on them?

    I didn't dare open them, and judging from the fact that the shelf still looked full and no one else around the cards section was looking at them, I trust most others think it's a silly idea too.

    Not sure if they're linked with the campaigns as there were no visible campaign logos, or it's some lame Target GOTV effort or just a poor burst of imagination by someone at Hallmark etc.


    They should put some Bill and Hillary cards out (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by bridget on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:35:31 PM EST
    they would sell like hot cakes

    I would buy them, too

    ;-)

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    Explanation for the Yankees' streak (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by rilkefan on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:02:19 PM EST
    This future fan can now read the standings and the team doesn't want to disappoint him.  He's part of the reason I haven't been around here and won't be for a while.

    Hey, congrats! (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jane in CA on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:10:53 PM EST
    Beautiful baby.

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    What a cutie. Congratulations! (none / 0) (#40)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:12:24 PM EST
    Absolutely adorable baby :-) (none / 0) (#42)
    by bridget on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:25:46 PM EST
    Congratulations!

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    Gorgeous...Congrats. (none / 0) (#63)
    by zfran on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:14:54 AM EST
    Chomp (none / 0) (#7)
    by CoralGables on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:55:06 PM EST
    The once upon a time Rainbows (now Warriors?) won't find the Swamp as likable to them as playing on the Island.

    As with me, the football season is only played on Saturdays and it begins in 35 days and ends with the Gator's Bowl Game.

    Once the Georgia Bulldogs take the field next (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:07:32 PM EST
    month, the season will already be over for everyone else! Lol

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    Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by cmugirl on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:33:18 PM EST
    I think my Central Michigan Chippewas are going to upset the Bulldogs in Athens - Sept 6.  

    You heard it here first.

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    Boooo....Go Vols! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:56:00 PM EST
    Rainbow Warriors (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 05:59:18 PM EST
    My dropping of the Warriors part of the name was a deliberate insult intended to provoke Donald from Hawaii.

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    Go Phillies! (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:11:24 PM EST
    (Hey, home team. So sue me!)

    Well they won today, (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Rhouse on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:15:16 PM EST
    though God knows they tried to blow it.  Let's hope the Mets can get back some suckatude.

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    Criticism of Obama on black radio? (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:37:34 PM EST
    not so much:

    Whatever criticism the black media has of the Obama campaign, it has generally not shown up heavily on the air or in print. Earlier this year, the PBS and public radio host Tavis Smiley, one of the best known black radio and television voices, resigned as a regular commentator on Mr. Joyner's show after receiving a hail of angry e-mail messages and phone calls for questioning Mr. Obama's commitment to black issues.

    One caller to Mr. Ballentine's show last week laid out some boundaries for him, as well: "All of us coming down on him and criticizing him before we give him a chance, you know, that might hurt his campaign -- let's get him in there first," the caller said. Mr. Ballentine responded, "Brother, I would never criticize him -- until he's in the White House."



    And As For Jews (none / 0) (#21)
    by squeaky on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:41:27 PM EST
    No problem with Obama although Lieberman is another story.
    If Barack Obama has a problem among Jewish voters, then Sen. Joseph Lieberman is in monumental trouble.

    Among the most high-profile Jews in Congress, Lieberman is viewed far more unfavorably than the presumptive Democratic nominee, according to a new poll. Only 37 percent of Jews view the Connecticut Independent in a favorable light compared to 48 percent who have a negative perception. As for Obama, 60 percent of Jews view him favorably while 34 percent view him unfavorably.

    C&L

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    Jews will vote for Obama (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:44:13 PM EST
    It's just a question of whether he gets 70% of the Jewish vote in 85-90%. That could make a difference in states like Florida and Pennsylvania.

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    As everyone on here knows, (none / 0) (#23)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 06:55:36 PM EST
    the media loves to race-bait. (Obama-Jews, Obama-Hispanics, Obama-whites). Obama is underperforming in one major catagory: Catholics. I think he might lose them badly, if McCain has Irish roots.

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    The "Catholic vote" is now meaningless (none / 0) (#27)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:08:21 PM EST
    You do know, for example, that many blacks are Catholics, right?

    Obama underperforms with white ethnics other than Jews.

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    I hear you andgarden. (none / 0) (#28)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:22:45 PM EST
    I hear the same conflicting reports about Obama's white support that everyone else does. Some say he is underperforming, some say he is gaining ground since about early June, some say he has roughly the same amount (40%) that most Dems get. I don't know. What I do know is I'm in the white (but growing) minority in Miss.

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    Oh, the white southern vote (none / 0) (#29)
    by andgarden on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:32:26 PM EST
    is a complete lost cause. Especially in the deep south. If Obama gets more than a handful of white votes from anyone over 30 there I will be amazed.

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    Yeah that's what my daughter (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by CaptainAmerica08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 07:58:01 PM EST
    and I think. I supported Hillary in part for that reason as well as her being the safest bet for turning the economy around. My daughter voted for Obama. She convinced me to back Obama now, but he could lose my vote with one more FISA-level screwup.

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    Just spent the evening with an Israeli (none / 0) (#61)
    by Cream City on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:02:40 AM EST
    immigrant, 30 years ago -- but still with family in Israel, often over there.  A guy raised in a Golan Heights kibbutz, so he sure had stories.

    He shared a lot of concerns about Obama.  And as we have Jewish folk in the family and many friends, too, I have to say that I don't think there is "a Jewish vote" anymore.  It's not predictable.

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    The American Jewish community (none / 0) (#66)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:42:35 AM EST
    is not really represented by an israeli immigrant. And really, when a group of people vote 70-90% for one party over the years--as Jews have--it's probably fair to generalize a little bit about them. These are my people, and I know a little bit about the community.

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    I wouldn't mind so much, except the Agonist is the first blog I ever visited in my life.

    The right link is http://www.agonist.org

    Did anyone see the headline (none / 0) (#37)
    by americanincanada on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 09:37:04 PM EST
    and article from tomorrow's Times with Obama talking about how he doesn't believe his own hype and giving pundit style campaign analysis?

    I need advice... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:33:46 PM EST
    My sixteen year old step-daughter came home last night from her part-time job at a restaurant. This restaurant is part of a chain so I'm sure they take things like this seriously (it's a franchise if that matters).

    I could tell she had been crying and I asked her what was wrong. She told me that two of the older men who work on the line where they prepare the food were "bothering" her. I asked for specifics and she said when she walks past one of them, he hits her on the butt with his hand and the other one rubs his elbow across her chest area. She said she knows they think it's funny but that she told them it was nasty and to please quit.

    She's not a bit shy but she was scared to tell her manager. She's not the crying type and it upset me. I called her manager at home last night and he assured me it would be taken care of.

    He called here just before she left for work today and asked me to come to work with her. His manager and the franchise owner were there and wanted to talk about this with me and my daughter. They told me that they would talk to these men and that it would never happen again. They called the two men to come to where we were sitting and had a long conversation in Spanish. I couldn't understand a word they said but after it was over, the owner told me that they said my daughter clowns around with them and "flips them off" with her finger so they just assumed she would know they didn't mean any harm to her.

    He told us that she was their best employee but that she had to take some of the responsibility if she was "flipping them off". I told him that I didn't think that flipping a bird at someone was quite the same as grabbing a young girl's butt. One of these men is in his 30's and the other one has grandchildren! He did tell me that he told them if they ever touched her again or if they were mean to her for telling, he would fire them on the spot.

    Would you guys let her stay there? She loves this job and they are great to work around her school hours. My other problem is, I didn't tell her dad. I'm afraid if I tell him, he will go over there and end up in jail for assault, or worse.

    I guess I'm just aggravated that the owner holds a 16 year old to the same level of accountability as two grown men.

    It is up to your daughter it seems to me (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 09:30:26 AM EST
    because it seems clear that by NOT firing the men, the restaurant is countenancing a hostile work environment at the least.

    There is NOTHING, I mean NOTHING, a woman can do that can ever be perceived as permitting touching her in the workplace other than her express agreement to it.

    It is clear that she did not consent. The men knew it. The restaurant knows it. You know it. Your daughter knows it.

    The question is what does your daughter want to do about it.

    I think you should put the question to her. And support her decision.

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    Step-daughter has the makings of (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by oculus on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 06:16:47 PM EST
    a strong lawsuit and should take copious notes if she remains at this job.

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    Crap..I didn't mean to write a novel. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:34:17 PM EST
    Teresa....to give the complete picture, it (5.00 / 0) (#45)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:58:37 PM EST
    had to be a novel :)  First of all, I think it might be prudent for your stepdaughter to possibly start looking for another job.  In my experience, these things usually don't get better. And, at her next job, she should tone down the bird flipping and joking around (if this is, in fact, true) just to avoid these kinds of things.  She should NOT have to go find another job, but it just might be the best thing she can do imo.

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    P.S. If these guys continue to harrass her, (5.00 / 0) (#46)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 10:59:44 PM EST
    she may have a case for the labor board against the two men and the company they work for.

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    Although I agree with you in principle, (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:06:01 PM EST
    having any formal employment claim in one's past can cause a lot of angst for years to come. I've known several people who lived in horrible fear that a new employer would discover they had taken action against a former employer. It isn't fair, or reasonable, of course, but it can scare people into not acting on injustices in the workplace.


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    Yup (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:08:28 PM EST
    Chain restaurant; classic sexual harassment; a minor....

    .....It had better stop or the chain will be in big trouble.

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    If it were my daughter, I wouldn't (none / 0) (#51)
    by MKS on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:13:01 PM EST
    go down there....I'd send them a demand letter for 20k, cced to the General Counsel....Watch 'em scramble....

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    The age difference is what really gets me. (none / 0) (#52)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:16:21 PM EST
    She's just a kid. She is not at all timid and is actually pretty outspoken about things like this. She said these same two workers stare at all the young girls who hang out there. I think when she leaves, I may call their corporate office because this really isn't right. I don't want to get the manager in any trouble because he is great to those kids but the chain should probably be aware of what they are doing.

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    Any good manager will make sure the (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:31:02 PM EST
    schedules fit the teen's school and activity requirements, but to be "great" to the kids, he needs to protect them from things that are permanently harmful.

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    I agree. It wasn't her manager that decided she (none / 0) (#55)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:39:04 PM EST
    was at least partially responsible though...it was the owner! The more I think about it, the angrier I get. She hadn't told the manager but she had asked both of them not to touch her. They even admitted that what she said is true (per the owner...I don't understand Spanish) but that she led them to believe in some way that it was ok because she clowns around with them.

    Her dad is asleep and I just talked to her again. She said she'd rather stay there than find another job but I think she should leave. My husband loves this restaurant so I'm trying to figure out how to get her to find another job without him asking why.

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    Glad it's not me having to deal with this (none / 0) (#59)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:48:44 PM EST
    The owner must have really good insurance.

    If you were to present the situation to your husband the way you told us, he could actually be a terrific help. The owner is a woman, right?

    So, if your husband were to be able to go in there and have a serious talk about the liability that comes with allowing sexual harrassment in her workplace, it might be enough to guarantee no other girls experience this at that establishment.

    I guess the most important question is, though, what outcome are you hoping for? If it is a safe work environment for your step-daughter, then I'd see how it plays out from here before taking any future steps. It does sound like it is still bothering you. Are you skeptical about the sincerity of those involved saying it won't happen again?

     

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    No, they are all men. She's the only female (none / 0) (#62)
    by Teresa on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:07:06 AM EST
    period. It is bothering me, maybe more than it is her. She doesn't work tomorrow so I told her to think about how she feels and talk to me tomorrow.

    I trust the owners that they really would fire them if it happens again but I'm still not real comfortable with the idea. They seemed really scared of being fired so they probably won't come near her. JCP, if you knew my husband, you'd know why I can't tell him. He has had sole custody of her since she was 2 1/2 years old (she was five when we got married) and he would probably truly end up in jail if he knew someone hurt his daughter in any way.

    Thank you so much for the advice and shoulder to lean on. It makes me angry that she has been put in this position. From what I could gather from their body language, they seemed confused that she would even be upset.  I thought the owner handled it ok until he decided that she had to take part of the responsiblity because she clowned around with them before this happened.

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    So, these guys are getting away with the (none / 0) (#47)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:01:16 PM EST
    behavior. How much longer do you think she will love it there?

    If it were me, my daughter would be looking for a new job. There are enough franchises out there providing nearly the same opportunities as one another that there is no reason she should treat them to her hard work.

    Again, if my daughter, I would encourage her to make the change normally...find a new position, give 2 weeks notice in writing thanking them for all she learned there, ask for a letter of recommendation from the manager to take with her, and go on good terms.

    If she makes a big deal of it, the manager could be less than a good reference. He's already proven he doesn't see the seriousness of the offenses the two males committed.


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    That's what I think too. At first, he did seem to (none / 0) (#50)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:09:15 PM EST
    see the seriousness of it until she admitted she flipped them off. The rest of the workers are just kids and they all clown around but she is the only girl. They said they were just treating her as "one of the guys". Sure...

    They really don't want her to leave. We live near a new shopping development that has jobs everywhere for teenagers. She won't have any trouble with another job but I don't know what to tell her dad. He would go nuts.

    I think I'm just going to have her find another one and turn in her notice even though she has been happy there until now. I guess this is her first experience with what many of us have had to deal with.

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    I was particularly concerned that the (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by JavaCityPal on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:36:20 PM EST
    manager allowed the men to converse in Spanish knowing you wouldn't understand what was being said. Even if English is a second language, they can speak it, right?

    That move told me the manager was not your advocate. And, flipping a finger is not an invitation to be touched.


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    Totally agree with JCP (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Amiss on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:45:09 PM EST
    BTW, are there cameras in the establishment? My husband is in management for a major retail chain and they recently had a similar incident with an asistant manager, he was given his walking papers then and there after they reviewed the tapes.

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    It's pretty small so I doubt they have (none / 0) (#60)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:54:21 PM EST
    cameras. It's a large chain (national) but each restaurant is a franchise so I don't know what kind of policies they have. The men did admit to grabbing at her (as far as I was told since I couldn't understand them).

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    Especially when you are 16 and the man arguing (none / 0) (#56)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:41:42 PM EST
    with the owner was in his fifies.

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    Sorry for the spelling...yes they do speak (none / 0) (#57)
    by Teresa on Sat Jul 26, 2008 at 11:43:04 PM EST
    English but they didn't in front of me.

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    Teresa...best of luck to you and your (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by PssttCmere08 on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 01:26:05 AM EST
    step-daughter....it seems you are headed in the right direction by her changing jobs.  It's a tough spot for you both, and I hope she knows how fortunate she is to have you in her corner...And, while it seems trite, this has been a learning experience for her and will help her in the future.

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    David Horovitz Gets Obamarized Too (none / 0) (#67)
    by squeaky on Sun Jul 27, 2008 at 12:41:01 PM EST
    Must be contagious:
    In March, on his whirlwind visit to Israel, Republican presidential nominee John McCain, one of whose primary strengths is said to be his intimate grasp of foreign affairs, chose to bring along Sen. Joe Lieberman to the interview our diplomatic correspondent Herb Keinon and I conducted with him, looked to Lieberman several times for reassurance on his answers and seemed a little flummoxed by a question relating to the nuances of settlement construction.

    On Wednesday evening, toward the end of his packed one-day visit here, Barack Obama, the Democratic senator who is leading the race for the White House and who lacks long years of foreign policy involvement, spoke to The Jerusalem Post with only a single aide in his King David Hotel room, and that aide's sole contribution to the conversation was to suggest that the candidate and I switch seats so that our photographer would get better lighting for his pictures.

    Several of Obama's Middle East advisers - including former Clinton special envoy Dennis Ross and ex-ambassador to Israel Daniel Kurtzer - were hovering in the vicinity. But Obama, who was making only his second visit to Israel, knew precisely what he wanted to say about the most intricate issues confronting and concerning Israel, and expressed himself clearly, even stridently on key subjects.

    Jerusalem Post via war & piece

    Sounds like the McSame has learned less from his experience and long years than the Obama who has learned much more from his experience even though he is 26 years younger than McSame.