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ABC Says Biden Backtracking on Denial

By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:54:28 PM EST
Tags: Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Tim Kaine, 2008 (all tags)
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ABC says Biden backtracked a little on his denial that he is Obama's Veep pick. My response:

And a shout-out to Jerome at MyDD.

It's also looking less likely Hillary or Kathleen Sebelius will be the choice. ABC News says Obama's been using the "he" pronoun today rather than his customary "he or she."

I still say it's more likely Kaine than Biden.

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    I disagree (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:55:46 PM EST
    Biden had to backtrack because he is the choice. But it is pretty funny that the pitfalls of Biden are demonstrated before he is even chosen.

    Yeah pretty funny.... (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Maria Garcia on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 07:58:46 PM EST
    ....tragedy tomorrow, comedy tonight.

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    SOMEWHERE (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:17:04 PM EST
    Jeralyn called Biden 'your father's Oldsmobile', hence the graphic.  That is so original.  Gotta love it!

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    He may longer be the guy (2.00 / 0) (#3)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:00:23 PM EST
    because he said he wasn't the guy.

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    But, but Biden is being articulate (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:13:57 PM EST
    and clean.  Real clean, since he just had his mouth washed out with soap.

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    It would be pretty ironic (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:04:38 PM EST
    if that were the case.

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    Do they think this coy act is cute? (5.00 / 3) (#5)
    by rooge04 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:01:22 PM EST
    So the veep is already out and out LYING before he's even announced.  Should be good. And some of that oily sheen a politician like Biden is best at showing the world.

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    I do not think it is Biden (none / 0) (#87)
    by Politalkix on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:32:48 PM EST
    just started getting a feeling that it maybe Sam Nunn.  

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    well, if it is Biden (5.00 / 0) (#4)
    by ccpup on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:01:07 PM EST
    all the Republicans need to do is highlight Biden's many gaffes and keep Obama on the defensive, which is where he seems to prefer being, imo.

    I had (5.00 / 4) (#6)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:02:35 PM EST
    to laugh at some of those posters at MYDD. They are so sure that it's going to be Hillary and I remember some of these posters as having serious cases of CDS. Instead of thrashing BTD, they really should come here and read him. I guess they can't deal with someone who has a serious case of "reality".

    All in all, I would probably say that Biden would be a very slight net positive for Obama. However, it also amplifies his lack of qualifications. Obama/Biden reminds me of Dukakis/Bentsen with the fighter on the bottom of the ticket and the talking in circles intellectual on top.

    true that (5.00 / 0) (#14)
    by jb64 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:12:19 PM EST


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    To be honest (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Steve M on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:17:09 PM EST
    Obama's experience is what it is.  I never bought the argument that picking someone more experienced than him would suddenly make people realize he has an experience deficit.  It's kind like the people who said shame on Hillary for suggesting Obama lacks experience - as though no one would have ever thought of that otherwise!

    It's not like if Obama picks a rookie like Kaine he'll start to look more experienced by comparison.

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    Obama says he's all about "change" - but (5.00 / 0) (#57)
    by Josey on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:50:26 PM EST
    Biden has been in Washington longer than Hillary who Obama said represented the "old politics."
    And apparently Biden is supposed to lure the old fogies who supported
    "old" Hillary.


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    I can see why he would be reluctant to choose (none / 0) (#112)
    by suzieg on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:01:54 AM EST
    Hillary apart from the fact that she would eclipse him, but because it might just be too much of a change for the country in a time of war on two fronts. If this was 2000, I would be hopeful, not today, because that would be fighting too many fronts, one which would not vote for an AA, another which would not vote for a woman and lastly one which would not vote for a Clinton.

    He's going to play it safe and choose a man but I doubt it would be Biden, he's too much of a self-centered blowhard.

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    Very true (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:20:28 PM EST
    about experience. But I still think it will highlight it more than you think because they'll be side by side a lot and there will be mental comparisons made by some voters like "Why is the more qualified candidate the VP?"

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#34)
    by Steve M on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:25:24 PM EST
    I think that will happen.  But I think the downside of that scenario is not nearly as bad as the downside of the scenario where people feel like the whole ticket just lacks experience altogether.

    It's sorta like saying I shouldn't have married such a beautiful woman because it just highlights the fact that I'm a little more average myself.  You know what, maybe it does, but I'm fine with that!

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    I think it reassures (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:27:34 PM EST
    the steady hand will be there too.

    I think more than that, it is a PLAUSIBLE basis for picking someone not Hillary without further weakening Obama.

    Biden is really the only viable non-Hillary choice now.

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    Yeah (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:29:56 PM EST
    I do agree that it is a positive in the sense that people will see that there's a least one qualfied person on the ticket even if it is the VP.

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    Well (none / 0) (#42)
    by jb64 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:31:25 PM EST
    It worked for Bush

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    too bad it didn't (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:54:06 PM EST
    work for the American people

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    because it was 2000, we were at peace and (none / 0) (#113)
    by suzieg on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:04:50 AM EST
    economically bloated! It's not going to happen this time around - the american people will take their time and study these two candidates which probably explains why the percentage of undecided is so high!

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    And Obama MUST reassure (none / 0) (#95)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:49:27 PM EST
    He doesn't have a Change agenda, a Change attitude or a Change Agent track record. To win, he's gotta be political comfort food for an age of anxiety.

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    Picking an inexperienced running mate (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:26:22 PM EST
    reinforces that Obama is inexperienced.

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    And insecure about it (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:34:47 PM EST
    at least politically insecure.  Seems to have plenty of confidence otherwise.

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    A fair amount of comments (none / 0) (#63)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:06:06 PM EST
    at ABC had Hillary as the pick. Either they thought she was the pick or that he had to pic her. Biden also seemed a popular choice. You know, that experience/FP cred. Clark also mentioned. Seems Obama needs some experience on the ticket. DUH!

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    Pointed out by a friend: (none / 0) (#85)
    by Eleanor A on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:31:54 PM EST
    You don't have to squint too hard for Obama/Biden to look like "Osama bin Laden" in print.

    Might be enough to zero him out.  For real.

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    ouch, good point there (none / 0) (#91)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:37:05 PM EST
    though of course sad that something as silly as that could be a branding/marketing issue. But I think it actually could.

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    Jerome at MyDD (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by Andy08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:06:52 PM EST
    quotes CBS saying teh announcement will come Friday afternoon: wow...aren't Friday afternoons famous for being when bad news are dumped by pols??

    .....ummm....

    That's when the FDA does recalls ;) (none / 0) (#65)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:09:43 PM EST
    For pet food, it was Fridays after the stock market closed.

    Maybe he's hoping to dominate the weekend news? When are closing ceremonies? That would be a clue.  But then again, his first appearance will be Sat. so it kinda makes sense?

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    A Friday in August? (none / 0) (#107)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 12:26:56 AM EST
    After everyone has left town for the beach?  

    He waited until the last minute because he's embarrassed?  Doesn't want to hear any negative comments?  

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    I'm firmly in the (5.00 / 7) (#10)
    by Little Fish on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:08:34 PM EST
    "just name the !!@#$ VP and get it over with" camp.

    is there anyone other than Obama (5.00 / 8) (#15)
    by cawaltz on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:13:17 PM EST
    NOT in that camp. I think the guy could say he's running with Jesus and the only thing people will be thinking is "Thank God, he finally named the VP so we can get on with life."

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    I;m in that camp (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:20:20 PM EST
    Hell, I said name Hillary in mid-June and Obama would kicking McCain six ways to Sunday right now.

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    Too bad (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:22:33 PM EST
    the Obama campaign didn't listen to you. If it's true that they're going to announce during a Friday afternoon news dump, well, what do you think of that?

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    I do not think it is true (none / 0) (#35)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:25:36 PM EST
    Thursday afternoon will be the time. Kaine will introduce Obama and Biden together.

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    How do you (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:28:39 PM EST
    feel about Biden other than he's "awful"? Or is "awful" the word that sums everything up about him?

    If it is Biden, it'll certainly be interesting around here with Jeralyn withdrawing support for the ticket.

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    I do not mind Biden (none / 0) (#56)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:49:54 PM EST
    as much as Jeralyn.

    Typical hack Dem pol. Nothing especially bad or good.

    I do not like any of them really.

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    That's (none / 0) (#60)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:55:50 PM EST
    pretty much what I think about him. However, imo, he's better than Kaine or Sebelius.

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    i kind of like Biden (none / 0) (#69)
    by kenosharick on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:17:41 PM EST
    he has a bit of a mouth and sometimes speaks before he thinks- just like me!

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    Fess up. (none / 0) (#76)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:24:21 PM EST
    That is not true.  This time I could put the quote marks around your statements re your affection for Teddy and for Charlie Rangel (to name just two), if I used the search engine!

    Don't make me call your mom.

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    Sure (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:28:42 PM EST
    There are some, including the old Big Dog, who I have affection for, but they are all hacks aren;t they?

    Well, not Feingold, but everyone else.

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    Yes. They're all hacks. (none / 0) (#90)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:36:06 PM EST
    So what?  There are good hacks and bad hacks and inconsequential hacks.

    I like good hacks.  Always have.

    You, too, I bet.

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    you assume, BTD, that (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by cpinva on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:39:14 PM EST
    sen. clinton would lower herself to be sen. obama's vp. why should she? exactly what's in it for her? not a thing that i can see.

    Hell, I said name Hillary in mid-June and Obama would kicking McCain six ways to Sunday right now.

    let's not forget, to do so would pretty much destroy his whole "i am the new politics of change." theme. granted, no one (including sen. obama) has a clue what that means, but it (and some chicanery) was sufficient to get him the nomination.

    as well, a side-by-side comparison with sen. clinton would highlight, in bold relief, just how totally unqualified sen. obama is to be president. probably not good for marketing purposes.

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    Well, let's see...we've gone from (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by zfran on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:09:16 PM EST
    Obama watch to see if he's announcing his pick on Tuesday, wait, it will be Wednesday, wait, it will be sometime this weekend. P-l-e-a-s-e. When does this man grow-up. He has also said it may not be someone obvious. Let's look at all he's thrown under the bus and calculate who's left from there!

    Kaine is speaking on Thurs. night (none / 0) (#58)
    by Josey on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:51:18 PM EST


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    Yes, and the very best part is how (none / 0) (#103)
    by JavaCityPal on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:40:21 PM EST
    those easily manipulated supporters who readily handed over their cell phone numbers will most likely hear the announcement via some media before they read their text messages. Those cell towers can only handle so much, and he better not interrupt service to people who did not opt in.

    They shouldn't worry, though, they will be getting many, many text messages between now and election day from Obama.


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    My condolences (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by cawaltz on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:09:32 PM EST
    if he is the choice Jeralyn. Hey, the upside to our really crappy choices is that it's a great chance to catch up on a hobby other than politics though. Sigh.

    HA! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Eleanor A on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:34:59 PM EST
    Yeah, I've been telling everyone that for the first time in my life I'll get to go to a Halloween party during a Presidential year.

    Usually I'm up to my navel in yard signs & voter reg forms that week...

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    I am laughing SOOOOO hard (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:10:20 PM EST
    right now!  I KNOW that Jeralyn is getting bummed because she even has a typo in her paragraph (choide s/b choice).

    Don't worry Jeralyn.  You have SUCH a fanbase of your own that if Biden is the VP selection, and you have to reconsider your backing, you have A LOT of people who will support you.

    AWESOMEST graphic ever.  BUT be careful.  Obama being in the driver's seat and Biden just riding along could invite some knucklehead racist junk.

    Nah, no worries - (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:15:59 PM EST
    what you can't see is the large "Rookie Driver" magnet on the back of the car...then it makes perfect sense.

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    Ha, he needs the little "student driver" (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by cawaltz on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:30:38 PM EST
    thing on the top of the roof.

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    uh oh (none / 0) (#18)
    by Edgar08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:16:46 PM EST
    But like I said, no one is safe.


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    thanks, fixed the typo (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:17:44 PM EST
    I'm on my laptop and I tend towards more typos on it.

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    Me 2 (none / 0) (#28)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:20:38 PM EST
    pesky laptops.  I also tend to think faster than I can type.

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    Have you forgoten the primaries (none / 0) (#82)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:28:51 PM EST
    it's doesn't have to make sense to be "racist" when it comes to this campaign.

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    Scroll down (none / 0) (#94)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:45:10 PM EST
    on MyDD.  There were a few slams against TL already.

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    It might be a foreign car (none / 0) (#97)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:57:56 PM EST
    where the driver's wheel is on the left.

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    Ha ha (none / 0) (#98)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:58:37 PM EST
    I mean "right"!

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    it's an Oldsmobile (none / 0) (#101)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:14:39 PM EST
    that's the point..."My father's oldsmobile"

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    If there were a chance... (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by OrangeFur on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:17:00 PM EST
    ... that it would be someone exciting, then maybe it'd be more interesting. But given the names floated, it seems like waiting to find out if your new office will be painted tan or beige.

    lol!~ (none / 0) (#70)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:18:04 PM EST
    I've actually been through that {grin} And since I'm always in the creative dept, they tend to ask our input, lol!~

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    In case you care, I just heard Karl Rove (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by athyrio on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:19:52 PM EST
    say that Obama's best choice would be Hillary because people will have to be able to see whomever it is as able to be a president and some of the others like Kaine people don't really know who he is on a national level...

    Driving (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Kefa on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:31:55 PM EST
    Mr Biden.

    greatest show on earth (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:55:18 PM EST
    I think all of this is orchestrated to keep people from talking about the forum the other night. And it's working. I don't think he's going to pick until Saturday at the earliest. And then because of this show, it will be anti-climatic. Well, unless it's someone interesting that will catch the headlines -- i.e., not one of the boys mentioned most. If it's any of them, Obama's in trouble. Though I agree with BTD that the only reasonable non Hillary choice in this set is Biden. For me, I have a small wager on the most outlandish but media catching choice of them all. Caroline Bouvier Kennedy.

    I cruise right leaning blogs (none / 0) (#67)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:14:10 PM EST
    and PUMA sites.  Obama's pay grade comment ALONE has been the red meat they have been waiting for.   If they want to distract people about that Sat forum, perhaps they should go all wonky and talk about ISSUES instead of "McCain doesn't know what he's getting himself into."  I would bet that the McCain campaign will call their bluff

    Threats?  Come on Obama.  Grow up.

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    I expect the paygrade (none / 0) (#78)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:25:38 PM EST
    comment to be in a Repub commercial during the Dem convention.  If Biden's the VP, they can add a couple of his comments too.  Biden's good for some friendly ribbing by McCain's commercial production team.

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    The Repubs have the video (none / 0) (#79)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:25:51 PM EST
    from the forum. That's all they need. Obama can't bury it.

    I think there's an outside chance for Caroline.

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    Save the speculating folks....it's a losing (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by PssttCmere08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:57:17 PM EST
    ticket whomever obama picks.  He already passed up his best chance and really, she should be on the top of the ticket, not VP.

    Obama: VP does not need to help win votes (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Prabhata on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:04:55 PM EST
    Barack Obama said he'll give his vice president substantive work and will choose his running mate based on ability to govern, not to help win a state in November -- Mike Allen (Politico) Jul 27 2008

    Don't need no stinking badges.

    I am nearly as sick of Biden (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 12:28:18 AM EST
    As I am of Obama's indecision.  

    the whole VP Wait (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:31:06 AM EST
    was intended to amp up interest and have us all waiting on the edge of our seats, but, instead, has tried our patience and started a whole Obama's Indecisive theme.

    I'm beginning to wonder if Team Obama can do ANYTHING right!

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    Their timing on this issue has been terrible! (none / 0) (#118)
    by SueBonnetSue on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 10:03:11 PM EST


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    Biden's statement wasn't a backtrack (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by p lukasiak on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 05:05:14 AM EST
    rather, it was an explanation for why he knew he wasn't 'the guy'.  He hadn't heard from the Obama campaign -- and at this late date, the decision should have been made -- or at least narrowed down to one or two people who would be told to make sure that their schedule was clear.

    Biden "knows" it won't be him because he "knows" that if there was a possibility it might be him, he'd know about it.  

    It sounds to me like Biden got a call from Team Obama -- they were displeased because they'd leaked that it was 'down to three' including Biden, and here was Biden announcing that he wasn't going to be the VP nominee.  Biden went 'off-message' by not following the Team Obama narrative to the letter -- and to Team Obama, the narrative is everything.

    Love that cartoon !! (none / 0) (#7)
    by Andy08 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:03:41 PM EST
    I know Jeralyn you do not like Biden but all things considered Obama-Biden looks like a stronger ticket than Obama-Kaine (or is it O..Makaine?).

    Biden will reassure a lot of donors who like Obama but also know Obama is inexperienced.... And money? Money talks.

    Shouldn't Biden (none / 0) (#27)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:20:31 PM EST
    be in the driver's seat? He'll be the Cheney VP, right?

    Nader Predicts Hillary for VP (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:22:28 PM EST
    So says John Harris this evening at Politico. Read it here.

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    I'm certain (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:24:28 PM EST
    that Nader has the inside scoop

    /snark ;-).

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    Is Nader really the only person out there (none / 0) (#51)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:42:09 PM EST
    who thinks Obama has been planning this for awhile? i.e., let Clinton supporters think she doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of being VP, then after the convention roll call, pull her out of the flames and 18 million people will rise along with her.

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    If it is... (none / 0) (#110)
    by decih on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 12:56:02 AM EST
    I think that if it is Hillary, he's trying to wait until the last minute to minimize the time that the Clintons have to overshadow him.

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    Also, to maximize the (none / 0) (#117)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:54:15 PM EST
    surprise element and the post-announcement/post-convention bounce.

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    Michelle (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:26:05 PM EST
    Obama says no so it won't happen. She hates Hillary and Bill.

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    Even if we assume Michelle doesn't care much (none / 0) (#44)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:33:42 PM EST
    for Hillary: would she want to totally blow her husband's last best chance to become President?

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    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:34:49 PM EST
    I'm sure of it.

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    How? (none / 0) (#48)
    by Brillo on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:38:28 PM EST
    A couple 3 second soundbites from the media?  Some blogger speculation?  What makes you sure?

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    They've (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:40:34 PM EST
    already said they don't need or want her voters. It would seem rational to come to the conclusion that they don't see it as blowing the election, right?

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    Who? When? (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Brillo on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:43:00 PM EST
    When exactly was this said?  Or is it just one of those general impressions things?

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    No (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:45:59 PM EST
    Donna Brazille stated in after the NC primary. Michelle Obama said "she'd like to scratch Bill's eyes out". Axelrod has said on morning Joe that they plan to win without "working class voters" who were Hillary's base.

    Is that enough examples for you? Obama's campaign has been rife with these kind of statements.

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    Yes? (1.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Brillo on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:06:17 PM EST
    Brazille and Axelrod were talking about the primary.  And what exactly does Michelle's (quite obviously snarky) comment when asked about Bill's insult towards her husband have to do with the campaign saying it didn't want working class voters?

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    No they (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:14:29 PM EST
    were talking about the party and the general election. Brazille said they were building a "new democratic party" that didn't need women latinos etc. Axelrod said that weren't interested in working class voters.

    Obama himself dissed voters with his bitter clingy comments.

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    Ridiculous. (1.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Brillo on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:20:39 PM EST
    They were talking about the primary.  There's absolutely no way to win the election without women, latinos, and working class voters, and every single person (including them) knows it.  It should also be pointed out that Obama is in fact winning those groups, and by larger margins than our past couple nominees.  

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    No, they (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:31:45 PM EST
    were talking about the general election. These were the same people who said that Obama had already won the primary right?

    Obama is not doing better than Kerry with those groups except for latinos hence his poor poll numbers. He's not doing as well overall right now than Kerry was doing 4 years ago.

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    i don't want 4 years of what obama (none / 0) (#80)
    by hellothere on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:26:47 PM EST
    really meant. look most of us are fairly intelligent and we can understand english just as well as you. we know what brazile and obama meant. we know what dean meant. that is one of the reasons why your candidate is in trouble.

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    Dude (none / 0) (#66)
    by dissenter on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:10:36 PM EST
    Do you watch the news? It was all over the news during the primaries.

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    10 comments per day (none / 0) (#71)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:20:13 PM EST
    New commenters are limited to 10 comments per day for 30 days.  Today is your first day and you are at 19.  Thanks.

    The search tool is very useful for looking up previous posts and discussions.

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    Ok... (none / 0) (#83)
    by Brillo on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:29:28 PM EST
    Sorry, I read the site policy link and didn't see anything like that.  It's nearly time to get the kids ready for bed anyways.  :)

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    Unless Obama has been doing a schtick. (none / 0) (#53)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:44:22 PM EST


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    Sadly (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by txpolitico67 on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:45:00 PM EST
    I saw on a number of pro-Obama sites slogans that read, "We'd rather lose with Obama than win with Hillary."

    THAAAT'S progressive.

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    Perhaps that slogan applies to the (none / 0) (#62)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:01:53 PM EST
    prospect of Clinton at the top of the ticket. Would Obama supporters wish for him to lose if Clinton is in the VP slot?

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    She would undermine him (none / 0) (#73)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:21:44 PM EST
    and then there's the Bill "issue" yadayadayada. . . .  {rolls eyes}

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    Why in the world would anyone care (none / 0) (#77)
    by kenosharick on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:24:45 PM EST
    what that selfish egotist nader, who helped bring us 8 years of bush/cheney thinks?

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    I didn't vote for Nader but.. (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:13:18 PM EST
    I thank him whenever I buckle my seat belt, drink a glass of clean water, take a breath of fresh air, read something acquired through the Freedom of Information Act, also whenever a defective/dangerous consumer product is barred from the marketplace. There's more, but enough said.

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    Terriffic- he should have stayed (none / 0) (#116)
    by kenosharick on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 01:12:23 PM EST
    doing what he does best. His giant ego got in the way of sound judgement.

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    Kaine speaks Tuesday (none / 0) (#32)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:24:24 PM EST
    WaPo writes: [If Kaine were chosen as Obama's running mate, two Virginians would have back-to-back prime-time speaking slots, a scenario that party officials regard as unlikely.]

    [Kaine is slated to speak Tuesday, a day devoted to the economy and the environment. Democratic consultant Jenny Backus, a convention organizer, said most of the presumed vice presidential finalists have been booked for speaking slots other than the running mate's.]  Most?  Other than?  whatever that means.

    So it's Wes Clark (5.00 / 5) (#47)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 08:37:16 PM EST
    or Charlie Rangel.

    Works for me. :-)

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    Why is Gore on Thursday (none / 0) (#74)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:23:12 PM EST
    if the environment is Tuesday?

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    Today both Bill Maher (none / 0) (#86)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:32:31 PM EST
    and David Gergen said he needs Hillary on the ticket.

    Maher, on Larry King, was especially critical of Obama tonight, having 'hoped' for more from the candidate.

    sigh... what to think of two of the biggest (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by DandyTIger on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:41:47 PM EST
    Clinton haters when they come back and say Clinton needs to save them. Pity I guess.

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    I thought Maher (none / 0) (#93)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 09:42:24 PM EST
    Gergen goes back and forth so he's not a surprise, but I thought Maher hated Clinton?  What happened?  

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    Reality bites (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:55:44 PM EST
    and Bill Mahr does not live in Neverland.

    He let his personal perferences interfere with his judgment, evidently, but now can no longer ignore the writing on the wall.

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    I was surprised to hear Maher say that (none / 0) (#114)
    by suzieg on Wed Aug 20, 2008 at 08:13:25 AM EST
    Obama tests his patience....

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    It's a good thing Biden (none / 0) (#102)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 10:22:14 PM EST
    is being clear on this.   Wouldn't want anyone to think he is gaffe prone.  hahaha!

    Let me say again, Biden would be a hysterical (absolutely LMAO) choice.

    Well if Kerry, Kennedy (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 19, 2008 at 11:00:51 PM EST
    and Daschle think they can corral Joe Biden, I'd say they've lost their collective memories or their minds.

    Not. Gonna. Happen.

    Daschle may end up as chief of staff if Obama wins, but nobody tells Biden what to do.  If there's a camera or a mic in the room, look out.

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