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The U.S. Senate Committee on Finance (or, less formally, Senate Finance Committee) is a standing committee of the United States Senate. It concerns itself with matters relating to the bonded debt of the United States; customs, collection districts, and ports of entry and delivery; deposit of public moneys; general revenue sharing; health programs under the Social Security Act (notably Medicare and Medicaid) and health programs financed by a specific tax or trust fund; national social security; reciprocal trade agreements; revenue measures generally and those relating to the insular possessions; tariff and import quotas, and related matters thereto; and the transportation of dutiable goods.
In short, virtually everything that has a revenue impact has to go through Finance. Baucus is at least as powerful as the chairman of Appropriations.
Noticed a comment on another blog that said the same day they were approved on Lambert's Corrente, they were banned for making a pro-Clinton comment.
I finally stopped reading there since it was impossible to comment. Parent
Not sure why, but I didn't have much trouble getting registered at Corrente, though it may have required a quick email to lambert at some point. Parent
DC Blogger, here (link) has a contrary statement to your Baucus & Finance Committee hold-up as a comment to his own entry, which also contains a bracketed [] reference to the Baucus chairmanship in the body of the post, etc. Parent
The bracketed comment you point out is on a quote that DCBlogger says s/he doesn't understand. As to the comment:
I will have to reread HR 676 again, but if the funding mechanism is in the bill, I am not sure it would have to go through finance. And even if it does, it may be that Baucus would be content to vote against it rather than stop it.
I can guarantee DCBlogger that HR 676 has to go through Finance. Parent
Years ago, my roommate and I worked in retail advertising and he was on the copy end. He got a weekend assignment to come up with new ideas for White Sale and Baby Sale. I was very happy I worked on the art end of things, lol!~ Parent
This bill never became law. This bill was proposed in a previous session of Congress. Sessions of Congress last two years, and at the end of each session all proposed bills and resolutions that haven't passed are cleared from the books.
Your comment is absolutely correct: the bill is/was designed to be funded through Medicare, so Baucus & the Finance Committee would have been involved, but it never got there.
It has been "re-introduced" to the 110th congress. Here's a list of where HR 676 had to "clear" in order to get out on the floor of the HOUSE (not the senate!).
This bill is in the first stage of the legislative process where the bill is considered in committee and may undergo significant changes in markup sessions. The bill has been referred to the following committees: House Energy and Commerce House Energy and Commerce, Subcommittee on Health House Ways and Means House Ways and Means, Subcommittee on Health House Natural Resources
Thomas Pynchon, Gravity's Rainbow, "Proverbs for Paranoids: if you've got them asking the wrong questions, you don't have to worry about the answers."
Klein is one up. Pointing out to netrootzers that their questions don't get to the issue(s) is not an effective way to gain entrance to their clubhouses. Parent
I found this kind of interesting.
Congressional Republicans were protesting Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling yesterday, by staying on the floor and speaking after Pelosi adjourned the House for a 5 week recess. The light were shut off, the mikes killed, but they stayed there and talked. It wouldn't have been a big deal, because C-Span's cameras were shut off, and very few people were there, but tourists were then allowed to come in and reporters were still there trying to cover the speeches, while trying not to get kicked out.
"Right at the stroke of five Georgia Rep. Tom Price announced that House Republicans were ending their impromptu protest on the floor of the chamber, ending a five-plus hour rebellion with a round of "God Bless America." The assembled tourists, aides and members in the chamber gave Price and his compatriots a standing ovation. They left the chamber to shouts of "USA! USA! USA!"
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It doesn't matter if you agree with offshore drilling or not, if this little story makes into the MSM, the highlight and spin of the message would be that the Dems voted to break for 5 weeks instead of discussing gas prices.
Interesting... Parent
If the repulblicans are able to simulate these sorts of battles, casting themselves as the little guys who're in the right and keep a'comin', I'm not sure what sort of legacy the democrats will have by the end of this election. Parent
House conservatives engaged in political theater today, storming the floor after Congress was adjourned "to attack Democrats for leaving town without doing something to lower gas prices." Politico reports, "At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark." "Bring the Congress back. Let's have a real up or down vote," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) proclaimed. In fact, there was a real up or down vote on gas prices just two days before. And Boehner is well aware of it because he was responsible for ensuring it didn't pass. Dan Weiss explains on the Wonk Room what occurred this week: During yesterday's vote on the Commodity Markets and Transparency Act (H.R. 6604) to rein in oil profiteers, House Republican leaders pressured 13 of their members to switch their vote from "yes" to "no." Thanks to these strong arm tactics and weak members, the bill to lower gasoline prices by controlling profiteers failed by a vote of 276-151, falling ten votes shy of the two-thirds majority required for passage under the suspension of the House rules. Once again, the GOP leadership used their power to help keep oil prices and profits high, while hurting the average driver. Boehner strong-armed his own conservative members to ensure a bill didn't pass because he wanted to engage in today's political theatrics. After killing a bill that would have addressed gas prices, House conservatives have decided they want to blow hot air in the dark.
"Bring the Congress back. Let's have a real up or down vote," House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) proclaimed. In fact, there was a real up or down vote on gas prices just two days before. And Boehner is well aware of it because he was responsible for ensuring it didn't pass. Dan Weiss explains on the Wonk Room what occurred this week:
During yesterday's vote on the Commodity Markets and Transparency Act (H.R. 6604) to rein in oil profiteers, House Republican leaders pressured 13 of their members to switch their vote from "yes" to "no." Thanks to these strong arm tactics and weak members, the bill to lower gasoline prices by controlling profiteers failed by a vote of 276-151, falling ten votes shy of the two-thirds majority required for passage under the suspension of the House rules. Once again, the GOP leadership used their power to help keep oil prices and profits high, while hurting the average driver.
Boehner strong-armed his own conservative members to ensure a bill didn't pass because he wanted to engage in today's political theatrics. After killing a bill that would have addressed gas prices, House conservatives have decided they want to blow hot air in the dark.
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Yeah, the GOP really, really cares about the consumer...
Meanwhile, Barack Obama, in another show of compromising when he doesn't have to, "nuances" his stance on offshore oil drilling.
Is it any wonder that on issue after issue, so many of us have no confidence that whatever stand he has "always" been for or against will actually survive as actual policy in an Obama administration?
As I said last night in the Dem Party platform thread, this will be the "Hokey-Pokey, Okey-Dokey Democratic Platform;" it's in, it's out, it's in...okey-dokey?
Argh. Parent
cmugirl was pointing out that it would look bad for the House to adjourn for vacation instead of addressing a major issue of concern for most Americans.
Whether offshore drilling would affect prices tomorrow or not for 10 years is irrelevant. It's the idea that the House is running off to frolick on vacation while doing nothing to address a key concern that's problematic. Parent
People are getting desperate with gas prices so high. Republicans have put forth a proposal. Democrats have put forth nothing. Their response to the (R)s proposal is to run off on vacation.
Now, keep in mind many, many people are either cutting out or limiting their own vacations this year because of the expense of gas.
So, how do you think Pelosi's move will look to them? Like the Dems are deeply caring and compassionate about the 'common' person's concerns?
It doesn't matter that offshore drilling won't yield results for 10 years.
This is exactly the mistake Dems make over and over, and which the Republicans never make. Dems lecture about how supremely right they are on policy minutiae while ignoring the fact that people are hurting. Republicans do stuff. Anyone not in the high income brackets and who has had to fill their gas tank in the last 8 months want to see something done.
Republicans are able to tap into the attraction Americans have for fighting spirit while Dems lecture and moralize (it's your own fault for not inflating your tires properly!). Sheesh. Parent
New moniker - WCRM (what cmugirl really meant). Parent
I will check back with you when you are bashing Obama for equivocating on offshore drilling. Parent
Al Gore made this point very well in his movie. Of course we should all do what we can to try and conserve, but individual commitments to conservation are not the answer. There has to be a political solution.
Opening up offshore drilling is a stupid idea, but at least it's something the government can actually DO. The government cannot wave a magic wand and mandate properly inflated tires. Parent
Again, you miss the point of the story, but I'm not surprised. The point was that it looks bad to take a 5 week vacation when the economy (and yes, that includes the price of gas and oil) is out of control, and most other people in the country are not getting the same vacation. In fact, many are working 2 or 3 jobs (if they can) to make ends meet, and Congress couldn't be bothered to work until noon on Friday. Parent
Even people who aren't aware of the sad history of the Carter Era Windfall Profits Tax can smell a scam. They know you can't encourage production - the only short- to mid-term answer to dependency on foreign oil - by reducing incentives. The public supports increasing domestic supply, and, even if there wasn't plenty to say against the notion that the supply and the benefits must all be deferred ten years, they'd still support it. Attacking "speculators" is another phony approach to a real problem from a bygone era.
The Republicans favor the kitchen sink approach. Going back to the DR NO ad and consistently since, they've successfully branded the Democrats as favoring "one armed tied behind the back." That's not where the voters are in August 2008 with gas hovering ca. $4.00/gallon. Given the state of polling (and in my opinion the real state of the problem, btw), barring a collapse in the oil market, I think the only question is how quickly the Dems will cave in, and whether they'll do so in time to convince voters that they can lead rather than having to be dragged kicking and screaming about "saving the planet" and oil "making us sick."
Many of us have expected Obama to try to find the spot 1 millimeter to McCain's left on energy, but being in favor of 44 1/2 nuclear power plants and drilling everywhere except off the coast of Marin County won't be a winning position. If y'all don't get a filibuster-proof Senate, big gains in the House, and control of the White House, this issue in combination with the hubristic overreach of the Obama candidacy will be the reason.
If McCain starts turning up green in a multiple polls (still a big if), I really wonder what desperate measures Obama will try. There seems little prospect for reviving the charisma campaign. Iraq seems unlikely to do it. He can't run on race - that's a loser for him. What exactly does he stand for other than soak the rich at this point? He can wait for McCain to slip badly - but McCain's been at this for a lot longer than he has. Who's more likely to make a real slip (or even a minor verbal slip)?
I'm really curious about what you thoughtful, un-blinkered lefties think a) Obama can do to try to re-gain the initiative, and b) what at this point he has to offer voters? Think he might shoot his wad on a VP choice just to change the discussion? Parent
As for making slips, perhaps McCain should take a group of Shunni's on a fact-finding trip to Czechoslovakia to investigate.
Surely you're kidding, right? McCain is a malaprop machine!
As for the questions at the bottom of your post, i will leave it to another poster who is more enthusiastic about Obama to respond. Parent
Two can play at that trivial stupid game. As for increasing domestic supply, I disagree strongly with your assessment, but I'll leave arguing about that to a different day. For political purposes, the fact that the public favors the kitchen sink and is likely to do so until and unless THEY declare the crisis over, is enough. Parent
And as for two playing the "trivial stupid" game, you brought it up, so clearly you thought it was a strength for your most awesome candidate.
Ask Sam Nunn all you want. I'll be sure to let you know when he is the candidate running for office as the standard bearer for his party.
Feel free to disagree with me about domestic supply. I will have the pleasure of enjoying the company of pretty much every analyst who has written about the oil supply problem, but you go right on living in a world where John McCain is someone we should want to be President. Parent
If in your world your candidate rarely if ever makes verbal slips; rarely if ever needs to revisit and re-explain controversial comments, rarely if ever contradicts himself; rarely if ever needs to apologize after offending constituents or potential constituents; rarely if ever gets basic facts absurdly wrong; and is a smooth, engaging, interesting, and informative off-the-cuff extemporaneous speaker then I wouldn't be suprised if near perfect unanimity on oil supply and every other significant issue is also to be found there. I would, however, be surprised if you or any other denizen was capable of assessing the state of the presidential race (or anything else) with interesting objectivity. Parent
In case you missed the nuance, I'm not saying Obama is any of those things. As if there is a politician who NEVER misspoke. Nice straw man, dude. Obama is, however, far more intelligent and right-thinking than McCain. Or is it a badge of honor for you that your guy would have flunked out of college if it weren't for his dad?
The evidence of McCain's midget intellect is everywhere - McCain just can't stop saying the same, dumb, wrong things over and over, and listening to you attempt your false equivalencies is freaking hilarious. Parent
No, I don't think he'll bring out VP yet. This campaign is still about him, too distracting. Parent
In short, if undecided, people are likely to end up believing what they want to believe (how do you think Obama ever got nominated?), especially if it seems unlikely to cost them anything.
I also don't think you want to bring up corn ethanol, as few who examine the issue in any detail end up on side of the corn-centered subsidies + import restrictions favored by Obama and opposed by McCain. Parent
ROFL. Yeah, that's the worst thing that could possibly happen. No wonder you support McSame. Parent
While Washington dithers over exploiting oil and gas reserves off the coast of Florida, China has seized the opportunity to gobble up these deposits, which run throughout Latin America, the Caribbean and along the U.S. Gulf coast. The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West, Florida.
The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West, Florida.
I guess in typical Rep fashion they would call taking away a loophole "raising taxes", but I don't care. If we can't even defend that stance, we are in serious trouble. Parent
No wonder the Republicans were singing. They have taken the measure of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid triumvirate that the Democratio Party laughingly refers to as "leadership," and they are not impressed in the slightest. Parent
I'm sure it's probably been discussed here but I can't find the thread.
Anyway, if anything, I think it shows that McCain still has a sense of humor.
But also, with this phenom of comedians not being able to joke about Obama, humor could be a welcome relief of tension. Parent
Well, actually they said "We're waiting for Barack Obama who will address the crowd in just a few minutes."
;-) Parent
Although I thought 'Celeb' was even better, but maybe that's just because it was mocking the media lovefest and that offends me more than the O camp's arrogance undertones. Parent
The Celebs ad was good for McCain because it provoked a lot of commentary.
I don't believe the Obama campaign has had a quick response to the "The One" commercial. Guess that one caught them off guard? ;-) Parent
It will be hard to refute attacks when they won't even admit Obama is being attacked. Parent
Still thought Hillary mocking Obama (you know, "the sky will open up, the light will come down, heavenly choirs will sing..") was the funniest moment of the entire primary.
Obama's campaign seems to have a big weakness of being unable to truly laugh at themselves, or to brush off criticism. Don't know about you guys but around some of my friends, "arugula" might as well be a four-letter word these days. It's absurd. Parent
I didn't realize so many others got a kick out of it too. Parent
Re the comments below, c'mon -- even the more manic of the Obama backers can't see that and think this makes them look good? If so, they really are blinded by the light. Parent
I don't know if you listen to Cenk Uygar on 'The Young Turks', but he loves these McCain ads. Thinks Obama looks great, the humor is lame and people don't get it, so they help Obama.
All I heard for 4 years is how the liberal radio and blogosphere was not going to stand by and let the next Dem candidate get attacked. Here is an attack right under their nose and they can't see it. Hopeless cases. Parent
A supporter was just asked about McCain's chances of winning (or something like that) and he said it would be awfully hard to beat Obama because Obama is a celebrity now, etc. etc. etc.
This is incredibly funny! What a wild campaign this is going to be now that I see what they have planned! There is no way McCain can beat Obama because Obama is like Britney Spears now! <snicker> ;-) Parent
The people he's (you should excuse the expression) preaching to with this ad are people who are already his own supporters or already Obama detractors.
Otherwise, the ad reads as kind of silly and beside the point.
There are smart content (policy contrasting) ads out there waiting to be made where he could really wound Obama. Clinton made such ads in the primaries and I think some gained traction.
But this kind of thing doesn't worry me, particularly. Parent
They are not wasting even a second worrying about whether the literal minded among Obamas supporters who really do believe he's The One think it helps him.
The 3 ads so far that have come into my sphere of noticeability (which generally doesn't include McCain), Love, Celeb and The One, have all gotten pretty good playage numbers on YouTube.
It is remarkable to me that a group that collectively has so little sympathy, compassion or empathy for people generally is still much, much sharper at exploiting preexisting emotions of the general population while the Dems continue to fall down on it. Parent
"If you change your mind, I'm the first in line, honey I'm still free, take a chance on me."
Now if McCain pranced around like Frida or Agnetha in those platforms and gold lame shorts he would FO SHO get my vote! Parent
Should Obama beat John McCain to the White House in November, it will be liberalism's last fling. In the United States and Britain, liberalism as a war-making, divisive ideology is once again being used to destroy liberalism as a reality. ... On the war in Iraq, Obama the dove and McCain the hawk are almost united. McCain now says he wants US troops to leave in five years (instead of "100 years", his earlier option). Obama has now "reserved the right" to change his pledge to get troops out next year. "I will listen to our commanders on the ground," he now says, echoing Bush. His adviser on Iraq, Colin Kahl, says the US should maintain up to 80,000 troops in Iraq until 2010. Like McCain, Obama has voted repeatedly in the Senate to support Bush's demands for funding of the occupation of Iraq; and he has called for more troops to be sent to Afghanistan. His senior advisers embrace McCain's proposal for an aggressive "league of democracies", led by the United States, to circumvent the United Nations. ... The objects of these uncontrollable passions are as one in their support for America's true deity, its corporate oligarchs. Despite claiming that his campaign wealth comes from small individual donors, Obama is backed by the biggest Wall Street firms: Goldman Sachs, UBS AG, Lehman Brothers, J P Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Credit Suisse, as well as the huge hedge fund Citadel Investment Group. "Seven of the Obama campaign's top 14 donors," wrote the investigator Pam Martens, "consisted of officers and employees of the same Wall Street firms charged time and again with looting the public and newly implicated in originating and/or bundling fraudulently made mortgages." A report by United for a Fair Economy, a non-profit group, estimates the total loss to poor Americans of colour who took out sub-prime loans as being between $164bn and $213bn: the greatest loss of wealth ever recorded for people of colour in the United States. "Washington lobbyists haven't funded my campaign," said Obama in January, "they won't run my White House and they will not drown out the voices of working Americans when I am president." According to files held by the Centre for Responsive Politics, the top five contributors to the Obama campaign are registered corporate lobbyists. What is Obama's attraction to big business? Precisely the same as Robert Kennedy's. By offering a "new", young and apparently progressive face of the Democratic Party - with the bonus of being a member of the black elite - he can blunt and divert real opposition. That was Colin Powell's role as Bush's secretary of state. An Obama victory will bring intense pressure on the US anti-war and social justice movements to accept a Democratic administration for all its faults. If that happens, domestic resistance to rapacious America will fall silent.
What is Obama's attraction to big business? Precisely the same as Robert Kennedy's. By offering a "new", young and apparently progressive face of the Democratic Party - with the bonus of being a member of the black elite - he can blunt and divert real opposition. That was Colin Powell's role as Bush's secretary of state. An Obama victory will bring intense pressure on the US anti-war and social justice movements to accept a Democratic administration for all its faults. If that happens, domestic resistance to rapacious America will fall silent.
P.S. Good to see you here. Parent
From the beginning of his political career (in the Illinois legislature in 1996) through his historic presidential campaign, Obama has been a dedicated centrist. He has shown himself (for those willing and able to see) to be deeply respectful to - and invested in - dominant hierarchies and doctrines of class, race, nationality, religion, gender, and global power. A close and careful analysis of his record shows that he is man from whom the lords of capital and the masters of empire have nothing to fear. Many progressive Obamanists have been woefully derelict when it comes to investigating the historical record that shows this to be true. Some of them have gone to remarkable lengths to advance the silly idea that the real Obama beneath that record is a stealth "true progressive" - a Manchurian leftist doing "what he has to in order to win the presidency." Many of them have a painfully pale and partial sense of what they mean when they call themselves "progressives." And many have fallen prey to the illusion that Obama must be a left-leaning progressive because of the color of his skin. Still, I do not entirely blame many progressive Obamanists for becoming excessively invested in "their" corporate candidate. Obama likes to complain that voters see him as a blank sheet on to which they project their own particular world view and aspirations. But he knows very well that he and his corporate image and marketing consultants have done their best to sell Obama as a man for all moral and ideological seasons (as well they "should" given the ideology-blurring logic of the American "winner-take-all" "two party" and candidate-centered elections system). And Obama knows very well that his campaign has responded to widespread progressive sentiments and anger (fed by eight incredibly reactionary and plutocratic years under George W. Bush) by working to create the false impression among certain targeted audiences that he is a progressive, populist, and peace-oriented opponent of Empire and Inequality, Inc.
Many progressive Obamanists have been woefully derelict when it comes to investigating the historical record that shows this to be true. Some of them have gone to remarkable lengths to advance the silly idea that the real Obama beneath that record is a stealth "true progressive" - a Manchurian leftist doing "what he has to in order to win the presidency." Many of them have a painfully pale and partial sense of what they mean when they call themselves "progressives." And many have fallen prey to the illusion that Obama must be a left-leaning progressive because of the color of his skin.
Still, I do not entirely blame many progressive Obamanists for becoming excessively invested in "their" corporate candidate. Obama likes to complain that voters see him as a blank sheet on to which they project their own particular world view and aspirations. But he knows very well that he and his corporate image and marketing consultants have done their best to sell Obama as a man for all moral and ideological seasons (as well they "should" given the ideology-blurring logic of the American "winner-take-all" "two party" and candidate-centered elections system). And Obama knows very well that his campaign has responded to widespread progressive sentiments and anger (fed by eight incredibly reactionary and plutocratic years under George W. Bush) by working to create the false impression among certain targeted audiences that he is a progressive, populist, and peace-oriented opponent of Empire and Inequality, Inc.
...Obama talked about his Kenyan father, who "got a scholarship to study in a magical place, America, that shone as a beacon of freedom and opportunity to so many who had come before." To Smiley, this sounded dangerously naive. "I love America," he said, "but this ain't Disneyland. There's nothing 'magical' about America." In quieter moments, Smiley often strikes a note of concern about whether, after the campaign, Obama's "soul will be intact." One night, driving through Los Angeles with a friend, the actor Wren T. Brown, SMiley said, in a soft voice, "We are going to have to keep that brother at the top of our prayer list..."
In a new poll released by the Florida Chamber of Commerce, 45 percent of Florida voters said they would vote for Sen. John McCain if the presidential election were held today. Forty percent said they would vote for Sen. Barack Obama. Fifteen percent were undecided.
Happy now BTD :)
Happy now Pelosi, Dean and Brazile? One less pesky downmarket gay Latino to worry about. Parent
A person's ideological bent is important to consider , but the arguments a person makes can and should be evaluated independently.
If McCain says eg, 'budget deficits are bad', his statement is correct regardless of his motivation for making it. (I'm stealing Cream's example from a slightly different topic).
Otherwise, it's just condemnation by association, which is intellectually shabby at best.
EVEN on NPR...NPR!!!!!!!! When Obama FIRST made the comment about him being black raised eyebrows there. The commenter said something to the effect that Obama needed to be very careful about lobbing the race card.
When NPR is even lecturing about Obama using the race card you KNOW he's in trouble.
And on another note: him accepting the nomination at that football stadium will play RIGHT INTO the narrative that the GOP is successfully using right now about him being a lightweight sellebrity.
him accepting the nomination at that football stadium will play RIGHT INTO the narrative that the GOP is successfully using right now about him being a lightweight sellebrity.
That's the whole point of the ads. He's "The One," the biggest celebrity in the world! The football stadium completely makes the point.
McCain is taking an interesting tack when you think about it. He's selling himself by overselling Obama. No wonder the Obama campaign is confused by this. Parent
If Obama actually had an issue-based message, then he could hold the spotlight and remain interesting for the next three months. But he doesn't.
His entire message- literally- is that he can succeed where King Canute supposedly failed. "This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow..." from McCain's The One ad.
I'm waiting for the Most Awesome And Healing Concession Speech EVAH! in 94 days. Parent
(Standard tabloid fare: Babies, breakups, affairs, adoptions, health crises.) Parent
It provides the McCain camp great fodder to mock the media. I'm waiting for a McCain montage of Obama with all of the halos around his head and the lights around him. Those photos and magazine covers were over the top. Mock the over-exposure. Start with one clip at a time, slowly and then speed up this they are flashing by. The photos could be shrinking to the back ground and make a collage of Obama forming a star. "He's a star but is he a leader?"
or......Show a multitude of picture of Obama with the media. 'he's their (media) star but America needs a leader' Mock the media presentation of Obama.
I think the McCain gets some hits in by focusing on the media. Parent
He [McCain]'s selling himself by overselling Obama.
In a nutshell. Well-done. Parent
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Obama, on the other hand, attacked Hillary's strengths among AA's in a way that made him vulnerable in the GE. His strategy was too clever by half. Parent
From St. Petersburg Times newspaper:
In a new poll released by the Florida Chamber of Commerce, 45 percent of Florida voters said they would vote for Sen. John McCain if the presidential election were held today. Forty percent said they would vote for Sen. Barack Obama. Fifteen percent were undecided. ...
So, what do guys think of Obama's flip-flop on off-shore drilling? Funny it happened in FL; isn't it?
Florida: The land of the 1/2 vote in the 2008 Dem primary. Parent
The flippity-floppity on offshore drilling being the most recent head-slapping example.
If you want the Democratic Party to move as far to the right as Obama is dragging it ... fine.
But please respect people who choose to complain about it.
And there are plenty of places online where unquestioning Obama adulation is the order of the day. You can always visit them if this place gets you down.
Spoke out about Energy? Spoke out about infra-structure investment? Spoke out about Bush's attempt to classify certain birth control as abortion and limit access? Holding fundraisers for Obama? Campaigning for Obama? Voted no on FISA? Etc? Parent
I've always suspected that given the chance, she would be less of a centrist. She may just have that chance now, one way or another. Parent
And again your assumptions are downright hilarious -- that no one who now criticizes Obama ever criticized Hillary. When you don't know the truth, or the truth might upset your imaginary life, make stuff up!
Are you sure you're not really a Republican? (/snark) Parent
Instead, why don't you point to something that Obama's done recently that's worthy of praise? Parent
Yeah, I thought she would be better in the GE as well, but now that is irrelevant, ancient history. Parent
R: Can't find anything.
S: Blah, blah, blah ... Clinton.
R: What nice things should I say about Obama?
S: Beats me. Parent
But you knew that. Parent
Quite frankly, he's frustrating as all heck. His lack of experience was my concern when this all started. I could have gotten past that if he brought other solid 'stuff' with him. Right now, he's a major disconnect.
Thankfully, I live in a blue state and I'm moving to a blue state!
For more than a year I've been trying to make clear that I think nothing is going to change in terms of US foreign policy until enough people use the leverage they already have, and withhold support of and votes for democrats until they do what people want them to do.
They are politicians. They will do what people want them to do to earn the votes they need to remain in or gain power. But as long as they have the confidence that they will have the votes they need in spite of the fact that they continue to enable bush and the imperialist foreign policies of the past 60 odd years, then they will continue to treat people as suckers.
I disagree with Pilger that the end is near and if Obama wins liberalism, progressivism will also die with it.
What are you suggesting that we do, at this point in time? Boycott Obama as the democratic nominee? I do not see how that serves us. And who to replace him? Feingold. Yes I would love that, but he will never be elected. Parent
There has to be some kind of credible threat that his supporters won't support him -- at least not unconditionally -- for it to influence his behavior.
I understand that campaign season is a dicey time to be complaining too loudly about a candidate, but really there is no better opportunity. If, as some here have argued, Obama wins on a campaing that consists of little more than "not McCain/Hopey-Changey," than there will be very little to demand from him (except that he not be an ill-tempered social conservative who doesn't understand the economy). Parent
The whole situation right now is utterly stupid, imo.
Once people vote their leverage evaporates.
Maybe enough people will smarten up in time for 2012, but I doubt it. Parent
If Finegold had run his numbers would have been as low as Kucinich's.
I will be happy to see the GOP out of the WH. The fight continues after that, regardless of what Pilger says. Parent
Hold their feet to the fire with what leverage? Parent
But in all seriousness, if my position were the majority, I am sure Obama and Hillary would have pandered to me, much more than they have already done. The way I see it is that Obama, Hillary and McSame are representative of where America is today, to varying degrees. THey all have adjusted their positions based on their polling of where most Americans are. Parent
To force them to do the things I outlined above to earn the votes, which they would have done had they been scared enough, and then sweep them in to office with a landslide.
For too many years the bush republicans ruled with fear of terrorism and f*cked up the whole country, and now Democrats enable bush all the way and try to rule with fear of republicans.
It's time for voters to start ruling the democrats with fear and force them to do the things that need to be done.
Enough of buying fear from anyone. Parent
Pols are very difficult to fire once elected, for reasons that have nothing to do with actual job performance.
Anyone who has ever been in a position to hire or fire other people at work knows it's much easier to not hire a risky candidate in the first place than fire them once they're on the job. Parent
Obama gives good speech. He's ambitious. He's great at gaming the system. Parent
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I've got dozens of gripes with Obama, including him confusing "gaming the system" with "campaign strategy". Parent
Where did the comment go that I replied to? And why are so many comments deleted? Parent
Also, there is a commenter now who was appointed comment moderator by Jeralyn. Parent
For the record, I don't hate Obama.
I will most likely vote for him.
I disagree with him on policies and strategy. I think what angers many Obama supporters is that those of us who were critical of him from the beginning were right.
Or maybe it's just that when you're in love everything critical looks like hate.
I'd rather be wrong than right if it meant having a candidate I could support and support with enthusiasm. Parent
Obama's either a good candidate or a bad candidate, regardless of what I, Robot Porter, or any other commenter on TL says. It really doesn't matter what someone's motivations are, their praise or criticism is either valid or invalid.
But rather than respond to what people are stating, your standard response to any criticism of Obama is 'basher!' 'hater!' and other variations.
Not to mention, it conflates two very different states of mind. I don't criticize Obama because I'm a Hillary supporter; rather I support Hillary because I find too many things about Obama worthy of criticism.
Never happened. They kept at it.
What goes around, comes around.
Too bad for Obama. Parent
And if you (or others) honestly care about the ratings system here, that's also your right. But forgive me if I don't share that particular pain.
I have no problem criticizing any dem, and have done my share of it without ever falling in love, unlike the Hillary and Obama cultists that have been locked in mortal combat for the last six to eight months. Parent
I did, however, wail tears of sorrow that squeaky had not noticed me before. (/snark) Parent
What's more likely is you just don't like it for the Dem candidate to be criticized.
Nonsense. I have made myself clear, and have criticized all dems. I voted for Hillary and criticized her as well as Obama. Never been a groupie though.
In response to someone in the last thread.
Ras has an analysis disputing the day of the week bias.
I just configured and ordered a touchscreen tablet notebook computer from Costco.com -- an HP TX2500Z. For a ridiculously low price, I got lots of memory, 320 Gig hard disk, plus icky Vista. Of course, I had to get Vista, because its tablet functionality is supposedly better.
I'm a student, a 45 year old working on a second undergrad degree in Biology (first degree was PolSci). I take a class every quarter. With about 4 classes to go, I finally decided I needed a note-taking PC -- one where you can draw pictures with a stylus and not just type. The nice side benefit is I can install my GPS software on it and use the computer as a big-screened touchscreen GPS.
And of course, Costco's liberal 3-month return policy makes it a risk-free buy.
So it will be fun. Anybody have a tablet PC and like it? Hate it?
I beam notes from my ancient PDA/stylus and/or a separate hard tablet when drawing on copies of the graphics.
Otherwise I find that "attaching" sound with a headset and mic (relative to drawn-on quadrants I've numbered or lettered) is efficient too. (Bonus: I get the VOX transcriptions this way too.) Parent
I hope in practice that it works as well as in theory. Link Parent
If that's any indication of anything... Parent
Now there's a record from his own side detailing his backtrack. If MoveOn had just stuck to exalting him, they'd not be in this embarrassing position. oops. Parent
What were all those `strong' criticisms Obama had about HRC ideas of using a windfall profit tax on oil companies to pay for a gas tax holiday ??
Is there anything at all that Obama really, I mean really, believes in?
Obama: the master of the I was against it before I was for it technique.... Parent
"I was in Union, Mo., which is 98 percent white, a rural conservative, and what I said was what I think everyone knows, which is that I don't look like I came out of central casting when it comes to presidential candidates," he told The St. Petersburg Times. "There was nobody there who thought at all that I was trying to inject race in this."
Umm, so he concedes he is a celebrity?
Seriously, does he really not see the difference between just commenting that way and saying that McCain is telling people not to vote for him because of his race? I just don't believe it. Parent
Sweet thirsty Jeebus in search of a muthaf*ckin ice tea! How does letting Obama get away with this crap improve a dire situation, and why is anyone letting this pass?
And as for his funny sounding name, good grief tell it to Dikembe Motumbo.
There are several million people with "funny sounding" names from all different traditions and backgrounds that -- :: shockers :: -- have managed to engage in democracy and, and, EVERYTHING.
And people wonder why I've tuned out a "brilliant" campaign that's continually lowered the debate even from what the Repugs established this young century. Parent
"I am somewhat mystified that he isn't attacking much harder on the policy front," said Ronald Walters, a political scientist at the University of Maryland. "He needs to rev up his attacks, and his proposals."
Poetry, no prose, baby! Same article. Parent
new] On the fairy tale? (none / 0) (#12) by Big Tent Democrat on Sat Aug 02, 2008 at 09:07:25 AM EST Never. I disagree with Wilentz that Bill Clinton's mention of Jesse Jackson was not racial. He was attempting to diminish Obama's win in South Carolina and used Jackson as the comparison. It was very wrong of Clinton to do that.
Never. I disagree with Wilentz that Bill Clinton's mention of Jesse Jackson was not racial. He was attempting to diminish Obama's win in South Carolina and used Jackson as the comparison. It was very wrong of Clinton to do that.
I must remind myself that it's OK on this blog to provide conjecture on what everyone else is trying to do and that that includes commenting on the bloggers on this site themselves.
Yes. That's what BTD THINKS Bill was trying to do.
And BTD was WRONG.
Just like he was wrong when he thought Hillary was trying to say something menacing when talking about RFK.
What a pathetic comment.
It deserves to be removed from a forum that tries to rise above conjecture, slander and divisive rhetoric.
That comment is clearly beneath BTD and he should stop.
No surprise there. People find their ego gratification in the strangest places - entertainers, sports teams, politicians. Parent
From AP (25 min. ago) Obama backs away from McCain's debate challenge
It's going to be an interesting September/ October for Obama... the same way that the Titanic had an interesting evening on its maiden voyage. Parent
Your article left out this little section
"Advisers to the Illinois senator, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss strategy, say Obama is reluctant to take chances or give McCain a high-profile stage now that Obama's the front-runner."
Wisely, I think. Looking at how close the race is, while "frontrunner" is literally true, it's a very fragile claim. And while I don't discount the statement that they are not authorizied to discuss strategy, I doubt that the statement itself was unauthorized. Parent
Many here are seem to be PUMA, profess to be PUMA, or as is was resolved, PUMA lite, because of the site rules that do not allow calling Obama names.
Perhaps in an effort not to have TL show up when people google "the cousin of the cougar." Parent
I don't know where you live, but I've been surprised at the number of Canadians that have involved themselves in this election across the blogosphere, especially the peaceniks.
Interesting. Parent
... not to mention the capriciously draconian rules BTD enforces in his threads. If this is a BTD post (which I can't tell by looking at the comment I'm replying to), I should be banned for life ... but you wouldn't know his rules without accidentally discovering them one at a time, deep in BTD comment threads.
If this is not a BTD thread, I'm not sure whether or not I've committed a capital offense under an eliminationist regime ... and I've only been absent a few days. Parent
Criticizing Obama, otoh, has become a personal insult to some posters here.
/shrug Parent