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The New Politics

The good news about the house hunting story is Obama demonstrated that he is willing to use silly stuff to attack McCain. Yep, politics is stupid. The other good news is that we have a new definition of "the new politics":

The new politics is about competent governance, not getting elected, and taking accurate statements made by your opponent (in this case, their own admission they do not know how many houses they own) and highlighting them is not ceding the high ground. It is politics.

(Emphasis supplied.) Glad we finally got that straight. So much for the "say or do anything to win" attack line and the clinging to the attendant outrage about taking "accurate statements made by your opponent and highlighting them." That silly stuff really annoyed me. I am glad we are over that now.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    Heh (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:07:59 AM EST
    The "new politics" is about making political campaigns about something more meaningful than gaffes and trivia, except when it is not.

    The New Politics (5.00 / 8) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:09:01 AM EST
    is stupid, just like the Old Politics.

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    Why (none / 0) (#7)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:10:52 AM EST
    can't Obama make his points as clearly as you do? He ends up being confusing yet you can put things in one sentence and I can see what you are saying.

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    Once (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:09:13 AM EST
    again, Obama says something and it ends up being confusing as to the point he is making.

    The whole house attack was/is silly. Why bother with that stuff when you can use issues?

    Yesterday, my husband saw an Obama campaign ad on television. I use him as my own personal focus group. The ad was the one with Ralph Reed in it. My husbands response? That was completely stupid. No one cares about Ralph Reed anymore. That horse died in 2006.

    Obama didn't say it - it was (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:33:44 AM EST
    John Cole, writing in Balloon Juice.

    When I clicked on the link, I saw this (emphasis mine):

    The new politics is about competent governance and working with the opposition to gain consensus on worthwhile goals. The new politics requires getting elected, and taking accurate statements made by your opponent (in this case, their own admission they do not know how many houses they own) and highlighting them is not ceding the high ground. It is politics.

    This changes the interpretation I got from what  BTD highlights in his post, and makes a little more sense to me than what I first read.

    The problem is that Obama's "new" politics claimed to be above all that, and now that he is engaging in it (actually, he started well before this little brouhaha), we see that he is what all politicians are...a pol is a pol is a pol.

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    Try squaring (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:50:51 AM EST
    Bipartisanship with contrast.

    First you define yourself and your positions
    Then you reach out to the other side

    If you do it in the reverse order, then essentially the other side defines your positions.  Oops.

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    Then Cole changed his post (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:53:55 AM EST
    I copy/pasted.

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    I wondered about that myself, (none / 0) (#22)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:59:43 AM EST
    whether he had changed it, and wasn't accusing you of misrepresenting Cole's post!

    In a few of the comments I read - couldn't bear to read too far - there was mention of WordPress problems, so that also made me wonder if he had not had problems with his own post.

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    beyond silly (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:36:51 AM EST

    This house thing is way silly. McCain doesnt own any houses. And an elderly aunt lives in one of these places, so thats a really great scandal. Good grief.

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    you know i am afraid the obama (5.00 / 0) (#33)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:19:00 PM EST
    campaign is opening a can a worms with this house thing. some of mccain's relatives live in those condos, like his mother. we don't want mccain's bring up where some of the obama relatives live. that so needs not to be aired.

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    lol, love the new politics (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by DandyTIger on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:10:38 AM EST
    aren't pols amazingly silly. You know, they should really get some compensation from comedians since they're doing most of their work for them. :-)

    No, it is his age (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:12:32 AM EST
    he is acting his age trying to be cute and funny instead of matter of fact on the issue.  The sarcastic responses only play well to his most ardent supporters, to the masses they come across as snide and petty.  He is hoping for a bounce with his VP selection which he will sorely need to carry him through the debates which he will lose.  Were it not for the economy and 8 years of horrible decisions and one of the worst presidents all time, O might be an also ran at this point.....

    Yeah (2.50 / 2) (#28)
    by Jgarza on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:40:54 PM EST
    mature politicians run ads with Britney Spears and Paris Hilton.  Guess I should know better.

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    He's 48 years old (none / 0) (#14)
    by JavaCityPal on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:32:16 AM EST
    Granted, he's a late starter in many areas of life, but he is not acting his age.

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    ok, he is acting 15 years younger (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:40:15 AM EST
    it is more a maturity issue then...

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    That's sure how it looks, too often (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:03:58 PM EST
    to this ancient voter not even a decade older than him.

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    dissing your elders is well so (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:27:01 PM EST
    teen anguish!

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    What? The new politics is about (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:18:42 AM EST
    governance?  Really?  

    Is it me or did that "definition" not make any sense?

    And here I thought politics and governance didn't even live in the same zip code, only visited with each other when one was in trouble and needed the other.

    But what do I know?

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:21:00 AM EST
    don't ask for it to make sense.

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    Obama is overplaying his hand (5.00 / 7) (#11)
    by sammiemorris on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:19:16 AM EST
    There is a general sense of Obama fatigue amongst the public, at least where I work here in Northern Virginia, and I spoke with an undecided voter yesterday at the office about the housing gaffe and she said, "Why would you mock someone for being careful about disclosing information about his wife's investments.? Didn't Obama always used to criticize  the silly season of politics and  how people who take other people's words out of context and engage in demagougery and the politics of the past?" She laughed at his campaigning on the issue and said it made him seem like some sort of stand up comic rather than a commander in chief. She actually watched the Saddleback Forum (I didn't) and she said when McCain made the 5 million dollar comment, he paused and said I know this will be distorted and used against me. After seeing Obama on TV, she said "McCain was right, that comment is being distorted and used against him."

    She went further and said its ironic that Obama is doing this because she agreed with him  when he criticized other politicians for seizing on some of his "gaffes" and how the American people were tired of that sort of "silly season" stuff. She didn't understand why he would be doing some of the same stuff unless he was desperate.

    I guess when you try to pretend you are above politics, then start acting like a politician, you come across as desperate to the vast majority of the American public.

     It's interesting how the DC punditry and the chattering classes continue to fail to gauge the accurate reaction of the American public. If the Obama campaign tells them that this is like Bush I's grocery scanner gaffe, they run with it, even if the public at large doesn't seem to agree with that narrative.

    Is this "new politics"? (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by cmugirl on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:09:52 PM EST
    There is a story in the Washington Post today that says Steny Hoyer is advocating for a 4-day workweek for federal employees because of the high price of gas.

    LINK

    Great idea.  Except - isn't this something Obama should be pushing for all workplaces instead of running around screaming about John McCain and his houses?  

    Apparently, catching McCain in an answer to a stupid question is more important than dealing with issues that affect the American public.

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    in my view the last time the (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:24:27 PM EST
    "chattering" pundits, media, and politicos made as huge a mistake is the lewinsky bruahaha. the american public didn't buy the repub attack and clinton's poll numbers remained very good. these folks convince themselves whatever they want is reality versus being realistic and dealing with the issues.

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    So new politics doesn't include (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by rooge04 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:20:11 AM EST
    actually getting elected? Because I can tell you trying to make McCain out to be stupid because of his many houses will NOT help get Obama elected.

    Why bother with his incompetence on so many other issues when you can attack that he owns many homes. Because owning a large home in a ritzy suburb of Chicago is completely in touch with the working class.  Silly.

    Wow get your smears straight (2.33 / 3) (#27)
    by Jgarza on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:38:50 PM EST
    Obama lives in Chicago not a suburb.  There really is no retort for McCain on this.  He leads an extravagant life style.  

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    I hope they believe their own press. (5.00 / 5) (#15)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:32:27 AM EST
    Because I don't.  Does anyone else?

    I thought the whole "houses" thing was garbage.  Sounds more like avoiding important issues than addressing them.

    The exchange yields another important sign (4.00 / 1) (#31)
    by RonK Seattle on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:52:36 PM EST
    Which side will the media take between their two darlings, Obama or McCain?

    The answer so far is: Obama by a mile.

    Reporters and pundits have had time to do their homework by now. It turns out that McCain is on the "straight talk" side of the controversy; BO08 is stretching some, distorting some, and lying some; and big media is right there with Obama -- stretching, distorting, embellishing and lying.

    In plain talk, McCain has 3 or 4 homes ("home" being a residential space you can and do access at will where you keep some personal effects on an ongoing basis) -- a Phoenix condo, a Sedona ranch, a NoVa condo, and a Coronado beachfront condo ... the 4th being iffy in the count, as it's not clear McCain frequents it (but we'll include it to be comprehensive).

    Obama has 2 -- the Chicago house and the Capitol Hill rental (described variously as "apartment" or "condo"). It's a rental, but it's "home" -- even though he and Michelle hotel it when she's in town.

    A literal answer from McCain would have been misleading. Mike Allen's query specified "houses" (which would limit it to the Sedona ranch residence) and used the highly nonspecific verb "have", rather than "own" or occupy". McCain properly offered to have staff detail a precise answer.

    Needling McCain for "not being able to remember" is clearly in foul territory. There's no consensus on the number -- not by the press, not by the Obama campaign or allied organizations, not by the left blogosphere -- even with all the facts on the table. Even the number of "residences" at Sedona is pegged at 1, 3, 4, or 5 by reporters who have been entertained there.

    The two adjacent units combined into one before the McCains moved in? Double counting. The condo Cindy's aged aunt lives in? Not John's home. The one his daughter lived in (now on the market)? Staff quarters and guest bungalows on the ranch? Neither is the beachfront unit Cindy's relatives keep occupied? Those aren't "home" to John.

    Is this alliance permanent? Time will tell, but the signs favor Obama.

    Are we really over it? (none / 0) (#1)
    by vicndabx on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:02:12 AM EST
    or over it now that it's convenient?

    I find it hard to believe we are over it.... (none / 0) (#2)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:04:12 AM EST
    but feel that way if you must.

    LA Times & New York Times (none / 0) (#9)
    by Paladin on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:16:07 AM EST
    FYI - The house story was the lead story on the front page of the LA Times; and in the NYT, it was on the front page below the fold.  So the story got traction, at least in print.  I don't watch TV news, so not sure how it was covered on broadcast.

    Wow (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by swiss473 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:55:13 AM EST
    The NYT and LAT feature a front page story against the GOP nominee.

    Color me flabbergasted

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    Every (4.00 / 1) (#25)
    by JThomas on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:20:31 PM EST
    campaign needs a narrative. McCain's gaffe played right into Obama's theme of change.
    McCain wants to give a 22 trillion dollar tax cut to corporations. He wants to give the top 1% a tax cut. He is in that club. He wants to take care of his friends, the super wealthy.

    As much as some on here are mocking this..it will work well for the democrats nationwide.
    And getting elected is the object of the exercise.

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    American voters (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:41:03 PM EST
    have been electing wealthy Republicans who want to give tax cuts to their friends for decades.  Trying to pin it on Republican candidates as a personal character issue has never worked and isn't going to work this time, either.

    Attacking McCain on personal issues and character is a big mistake, IMHO.  The public knows him and basically likes him personally.  Democrats need to go after him hard on issues -- and not phony crap like "wanting" to stay in Iraq for 100 years, either.  His policy stands on most things are appalling and not in line with what the voting public thinks.

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    Actually (2.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Jgarza on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:46:26 PM EST
    the public knows very little about John McCain and polling refects that.  

    The media knows him well.  This is McCains first national campaign.  I hope his campaign actually buys the media meme, that voters know, because it just isn't true.

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    says desperation to me! are you (none / 0) (#36)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:28:43 PM EST
    even aware that those condos house mccain relatives like his mother. and obama's youngest brother lives in a hovel. so beware watch you get when you throw those verbal stones.

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    You know (2.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 02:31:06 PM EST
    if my father walked out on my mother and I basically never met the man, I'm pretty sure I would feel no obligation to take care of the members of his other families, even if I won the lottery.  Or am I missing something about the context?

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    His father may have walked out.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by Romberry on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:28:04 PM EST
    ...but his brother is hardly to blame for that.

    Where I come from, family matters. It would be one thing is Obama was unaware that this brother existed, but he is not only aware of it, he actually met him.

    I'm not saying that Obama should lavish his half brother with thousands of dollars, but the news says that the man is living on the equivalent of a dollar a month. People send 20 bucks a month to orphans they have never met. Obama couldn't send 20 bucks a month to his half brother?

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    Correction... (none / 0) (#41)
    by Romberry on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:31:00 PM EST
    Should say "it would be one thing if Obama was unaware that this brother existed", not "one thing is."

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    Shrug (none / 0) (#42)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 03:34:54 PM EST
    I guess we all define "family" differently.  To me, that half-brother is no more "family" to Obama than Dick Cheney is.

    So if my dad, who I met once in my life when I was a little kid, has a family with some woman other than my mom in a distant country, I ought to feel a moral obligation to take care of them?  That sounds truly, truly bizarre to me.

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    Yes, there is a moral obligation to family (none / 0) (#43)
    by Romberry on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:34:28 PM EST
    I gotta say that your attitude sounds as bizarre to me as mine does to you.

    People help strangers who are completely unrelated. The sign up to send money to orphans. They donate to charity. In light of that, what is so bizarre about the idea of sending a couple of sawbucks each month to a half brother living in abject poverty in a third world country half a world away?

    Is Obama going to miss twenty bucks? I bet he pays more than that for appetizers at dinner.

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    I saw this article in my local paper but could not (none / 0) (#55)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:35:09 AM EST
    find it on their site but googled it - it's very interesting:

    July 31, 2008
    Obama's Broken Promise to be redeemed by conservatives
    Rick Moran
    In August of 2006, Barack Obama journeyed to his ancestral village in Kenya in order to discover his roots and visit family members. He was received as a hero and feted by the town's folk who turned out en masse to welcome him.

    In his tour of the village, Obama walked through the secondary school that was in very bad repair. At that point, Obama made a promise:

    He told the assembled press, local politicians (who included current Kenyan Prime Minister Raila Odinga), and students: "Hopefully I can provide some assistance in the future to this school and all that it can be." He then turned to the school's principal, Yuanita Obiero, and assured her and her teachers: "I know you are working very hard and struggling to bring up this school, but I have said I will assist the school and I will do so."

    Obiero says that although Obama did not explicitly use the word "financial" to qualify the nature of the assistance he was offering, "there was no doubt among us [teachers] that is what he meant. We interpreted his words as meaning he would help fund the school, either personally or by raising sponsors or both, in order to give our school desperately-needed modern facilities and a facelift". She added that 10 of the school's 144 pupils are Obama's relatives. Obiero was not the only one to think that the US Senator from Illinois, who had recently acquired a $1.65 million house in Chicago, would cough up. Obama's own grandmother Sarah confidently told reporters before his visit: "When he comes down here, he will change the face of the school and, believe me, our poverty in Kogelo will be a thing of the past."

    But the Evening Standard has heard that the promises he made to help the school as well as a local orphanage appear to have been empty.

    more at: www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/07/obamas_broken_promise_to_be_re.html

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    shrug back at you! those (none / 0) (#45)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:47:46 PM EST
    middle class so called bitter americans don't take too well to dissing family members. personally i wouldn't want someone living in a hovel that was kin. i am not saying take care of hundreds of extended family either.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#46)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:04:33 PM EST
    I confess that my upbringing was as middle-class, Middle America as you can get, and yet I don't think most folks where I come from would consider the other kids of the father who walked out on your mom to be "kin."

    I think you know from my other posts on this site that I am no reflexive Obama defender.  I just totally don't get how anyone who understands Obama's family background would feel he is under a moral obligation to take care of that half-brother.

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    No moral obligation. But, good politics (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:13:17 PM EST
    to get there first, I suppose.

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    perception, perception, perception. (none / 0) (#49)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:25:57 PM EST
    the guy has nothing, nada, zip. not even a dollar! he is trying to get some training to get a job. so just how is going to break obama piggy back to help this guy while is doing all this stuff for cousin odinga? that just doesn't computer.

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    excuse the writing. i have now found (none / 0) (#53)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:38:29 PM EST
    i can't eat dinner and blog at the same time.

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    tell you what perception is very very (none / 0) (#44)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:45:45 PM EST
    important. it looks bad no matter what moral equivalency you desperately try and throw at the wall. folks don't like that type of thing. heck a few hundred dollars would make this guy's life so much better. no need to give your bank account away. no one suggest that till you implied it.

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    Lots of yak about it (none / 0) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:35:42 PM EST
    on the cable nets anyway.


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    Rasmussen shows some states that (none / 0) (#32)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:17:26 PM EST
    were likely dem, moving to leaning dem...obama continues to move down in the polls, McCain holding steady.  Is this all predicated on the house debate? :)

    i am beginning to think the (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:30:09 PM EST
    more the media has this faux adoration for obama, the lower his polls will go.

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    hellothere.....that could be part of it, but (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by PssttCmere08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 02:07:18 PM EST
    imo obama doesn't seem to know how to help himself....there is no Hillary to blame in the campaign for the GE.

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    I heard a clip of Obama on CNN (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:16:07 PM EST
    going on and on about McCain's houses.  Seemed quite silly in light of the issues most of us are more concerned over.

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    this house obsession says (none / 0) (#50)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:27:14 PM EST
    desperate and silly to me. what do i know, i am a hillary supporter. i am not a kool kid as it were.

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    He also pegged $250, 000 as "rich," (none / 0) (#51)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:29:38 PM EST
    but U.S. government says only 2% of people in U.S. make over $100,000 a year.  

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    so that makes obama rich by (none / 0) (#52)
    by hellothere on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 05:31:08 PM EST
    that standard.

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    Obama Blew It (none / 0) (#54)
    by kaleidescope on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 09:30:37 PM EST
    He won't be able to take advantage of any stupid statement McCain makes because Obama didn't sufficiently condemn sexism and misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton.  The campaign was over for Obama a long time ago.