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Jack Johnson - Sitting, Waiting, Wishing

Unless the Obama campaign intends to send a text at bar time (when I will be soundly sleeping), the suspense will build until morning. I'm guessing 10:00 EST. It'll happen when it happens, it'll be who it will be, but you can make your guesses here. Or you can find something else to discuss.

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    Just a quick note about Chet Edwards (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by ran scot on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:18:02 PM EST

    I saw his name in various trial balloons, I am here to quickly and politely shoot them down.


    Chet Edwards's brother-in-law killed a gay prostitute in his backyard and through religious and political influence got probation.


    This is not a swiftboat, this is a story of privilege in a Texas court.


    From Privilege in America:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcJ8ib8U3zk

    I just bring this up to help Senator Obama vet Representative Chet Edwards in the arena of "privilege", since that is the theme this year.


    Thank you for your time.



    o.my.g-d. (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:24:29 PM EST
    being a gay man here in texas,  i will go absolultely apesh1t ballistic on this.

    if he picks him i will make this my #1 battlecry for all self-respecting GLBT'ers to know the truth.  Chet Edwards is as about as progessive as Ronald Reagan.

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    Ill be right there with you, but with another (none / 0) (#34)
    by ran scot on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:34:36 PM EST
    issue.

    There is more.

    Being a good Brazoria boy, I hear what's shaking along the Brazos River.

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    Proud Cowtowner here (none / 0) (#38)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:38:09 PM EST
    Fort Worth.  Welcome Brazoria!

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    Huh? (none / 0) (#103)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:49:10 PM EST
    Nobody's talking about nominating his brother-in-law.  He's not even a blood relative.  Why do you assume Edwards had anything to do with it?

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    The big question is.. (none / 0) (#78)
    by rjarnold on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:57:35 PM EST
    why is Nancy Pelosi pushing this guy so hard? He's also for offshore drilling.

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    I still say Hillary. (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by masslib on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:18:33 PM EST
    But I still can not figure out how to properly link here, so I'll just say I just posted about this at alegre's corner.

    Home Alone (5.00 / 5) (#3)
    by Athena on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:19:40 PM EST
    Obama isn't picking a VP; he's picking a chaperone.

    CNN Ticker Reports Clinton Not Pick (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by tnjen on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:21:07 PM EST
    "Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama has ruled out Senator Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, a senior Democratic official told CNN on Friday night."

    We already knew but still...

    Live Action (none / 0) (#85)
    by Athena on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:01:54 PM EST
    Larry King going live now at midnight in the east.  Geez, CNN is panting like a dog over this.

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    I wish it were Hillary (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:21:25 PM EST
    The United States Secret Service has dispatched a protective detail to assume the immediate protection of Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., a source tells ABC News, indicating in all likelihood that Biden has been officially notified that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, has selected him to be his running mate.

    If it's Biden, Obama could be down 10 (none / 0) (#16)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:27:50 PM EST
    by the end of next week.
    What a horrid choice. Biden appeals to nobody who might actually vote for Obama, and  turns off plenty    of potential votes, IMO.

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    Well, at least the ageism will end (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:51:56 PM EST
    since Biden is only a few years younger than McCain.

    It will end, right?  The young'uns will start to see that it's really not the way to win votes and influence people?

    Of course, that's if that's what they really want.  Talking to some in the family, they seem most concerned about being cool.  And they still seem to have that mindset that you're not cool if you're in the majority.  One actually followed events closely enough to know that Obama did not win the most votes -- so she thinks that's why's he's really cool.

    That's not a winning political mindset.

    And when I mentioned the ages of some of the Obama shortlisters for VP, they were stunned that Obama would even consider someone almost as old as, and they could quote Paris Hilton, the "wrinkly old white-haired dude."

    These are your New Dem voters, 'Murika.  Enjoy.

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    How old is Biden - 68? (none / 0) (#79)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:57:39 PM EST
    That makes him a lame duck VP, if by some chance Obama is elected.

    Seems like poor planning for the future, if you ask me.  I suppose Biden could go 2 terms, but then what?

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    Biden is 65. But 66 just after the election. (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:16:25 PM EST
    And thus, going on McCain's age four years from now.

    Hmmm.  Tell me that didn't factor into it.  

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    I don't agree (none / 0) (#23)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:29:50 PM EST
    Like it or not, Biden will help Obama out with a lot of older Dem-leaning voters.

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    Not as much as dissing Hillary (5.00 / 6) (#29)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:30:59 PM EST
    will hurt him with those same voters.

    If Biden was so influencital with those voters he wouldbe the nominee.

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    Biden and Anita Hill (none / 0) (#101)
    by Athena on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:29:22 PM EST
    Some of us remember Biden's awful chairing of the Clarence Thomas hearings when Anita Hill testified. How he piled on against Hill along with the Republicans.  That will only add to the reasons that many women will find no comfort in this choice.

    I'll ask again here - is it possible that no woman will be on a major party ticket in 21st century America - representing the largest demographic group in the country?

    I'll answer my own question.  Yes.

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    Biden=Lieberman as a choice. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:31:58 PM EST
    Biden will help Obama as much as Lieberman helped Gore.
    Well, less actually, because they clash  horribly. I can tell you why Biden got the nod tho.
    He kissed a$$ best in the audition. He is good at that.

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:34:18 PM EST
    It does not follow that because Hillary is the best choice, everyone else must be sickeningly bad.

    Given the demographics of the voters that Obama has yet to close the deal with, I'd say Biden was pretty much his #2 option, out of the reasonable contenders.

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    Well, Biden is clean and articulate. (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:35:32 PM EST
    Problem. (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Landulph on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:43:25 PM EST
    The GOP will be able to use Biden's own statements from the primary about Obama's experience and readiness to be POTUS against the Dem ticket. And it's not as though Biden has proven a dynamic vote-getter on the national stage. That's not even going into his own long history of gaffes and off-color comments, together with the plagarism incident that got him bounced from the '88 race.

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    Absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Eleanor A on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:44:53 PM EST
    a terrible decision.  Worse than I expected.  

    They strung people along all week for this?

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    I bet Biden snowed Obama in their (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46:06 PM EST
    private meetings. Just like Bush, Obama loves to have his ego stroked.

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    Well, I think his odd comments about (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:44:59 PM EST
    representing a slave state are memorable.

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    I disagree (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by MichaelGale on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:00:21 PM EST
    He can be a seen as some what of a clown, talking forever and he can't contain when someone disagrees with him. Plus this is the picture of Obama and inexperience. A Bush/Cheney do-over.

    It will also be interesting to see how Biden adjusts
    to all the Obama glitz, screaming youth and flowery rhetoric. I think he is going to be very uncomfortable in his new scene.

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    I just did a 180 on Biden (none / 0) (#68)
    by zyx on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:51:09 PM EST
    My husband (who probably won't vote at all for president in this election, the old cynic) asked me a poser a couple of hours ago. He said something like, a nuclear bomb goes off in Tel Aviv, many many thousands killed, (more horrors detailed)...who do I want to be president?

    I gaped like a goldfish for a few moments, and said "None of the above", and he nodded.

    But I thought, well, heck, I guess I'd as soon Biden were vice president after all.

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    Clinton has been told she's not the VP pick (5.00 / 7) (#8)
    by Firewalker on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:22:29 PM EST
    Posted: 11:01 PM ET

    Clinton has been informed she will not be Obama's VP.

    (CNN) - Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama has ruled out Senator Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, a senior Democratic official told CNN on Friday night.

    Clinton -- Obama's main rival during the primary season -- has been informed by Obama's campaign that she is not his choice to be his vice presidential candidate, the source said.

    Well, Obama has lost my vote.

    Good one (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by lambert on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:25:56 PM EST
    Because otherwise she'd have to defend this.

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    He lost my vote (5.00 / 3) (#32)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:32:08 PM EST
    a long time ago, but this still makes me nauseous.  Who is he to think Hillary shouldn't be his nominee?  Who is he, the rookie senator who has done little else but run for office for most of his life?

    I can't imagine how people who were hanging their votes on the nomination of Hillary as VP are feeling right now.

    What a sickening, awful, thing.  No wonder they had to wait until Friday night to announce it.  And what a cowardly thing it was to wait.  Is he not brave enough to make his choices known in the light of day on a Monday? Instead has to release it as a news dump.

    What have the Democrats done.  What crazy thing have the Democrats done.

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    Best news I've heard since this (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:41:31 PM EST
    mess started.  Hillary can do her spiel @ the convention and watch the Obama train go off the rails with Biden and derail the Dem party for the next 4 years.

    Obama + Biden....don't think that some enterprising conservative printer doesn't come up with something along the lines of Osama Bin Laden and makes some creepy anagram out of it.

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    They are saying that Secret Service agents (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Rhouse on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:22:45 PM EST
    have been sent to take over the security detail for Joe Biden.  6abc (Philadelphia ) is reporting that they have an  "excellent source" which has informed them of this.  They are also reporting movement(?) at his house, so who knows ?

    Nothing up at their web site yet.

    Further update - (none / 0) (#50)
    by Rhouse on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:43:22 PM EST
    ABC is now saying a private jet has been dispatched to NJ for Biden ,on Nightline. However it is still all unofficial right now.

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    So that's it...via CNN/Jessica Yellin (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:22:55 PM EST
    Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Senator Barack Obama has ruled out Senator Hillary Clinton as his vice presidential running mate, a senior Democratic official told CNN on Friday night.

    Clinton -- Obama's main rival during the primary season -- has been informed by Obama's campaign that she is not his choice to be his vice presidential candidate, the source said.

    Isn't it nice they waited until late Friday night to drop this?


    They didn't think they had to tell her (5.00 / 5) (#25)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:30:03 PM EST
    it only became an issue because they didn't vet her and never spoke to her about it. Too little too late Obama at it again.

    I don't know why I'm upset. I didn't want her harming herself by being on the ticket and I know she'll have our backs in the Senate. I guess it's just the sheer audacity of Obama and the d@mn waste of a good candidate.

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    Appears (none / 0) (#14)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:25:39 PM EST
    they didn't want anyone to know....

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    I think he is (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:28:34 PM EST
    hoping for very little time to show a drop in the polls before convention time to prevent the role-call from becoming a little too real.

    he lost two points in the polls today.

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    which polls? (none / 0) (#21)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:29:47 PM EST
    Not directly related to the election but (5.00 / 7) (#12)
    by Molly Bloom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:24:32 PM EST
    worthy of bringing attention to on a blog devoted to legal issues:

    Mississippi State Supreme Court vote bans one of its own from dissent

    It may be the first time a majority of the justices voted to prohibit a colleague from publishing a dissent in a case.

    In other words, Presiding Justice Oliver Diaz of Ocean Springs disagreed with a court decision and wanted to write about it. His fellow judges said, no, he couldn�t and they apparently stopped the court clerk from filing Diaz�s statement into the record.

    Diaz's document also wasn�t made available to the public, as every other order and dissent are.

    "My job as a Supreme Court justice is to write opinions and dissents, when necessary," Diaz said later Thursday. "I was prevented from doing so by a majority of the court."

    I went to law school with Justice Diaz so his case interests me.

    See also

    The other reason Diaz may face an uphill battle for reelection is because several years ago, he was indicted by the Bush Justice Department on public corruption charges. Diaz, a former Republican now backed by Democrats, maintained his innocence throughout the ordeal, refused to plea or resign his seat on the court, and was eventually acquitted on all charges. The Bush Justice Department then indicted him again. And he was acquitted again. His case is now being investigated by Congress to see if it was one of a series of overtly political and questionably meritorious prosecutions of Democratic public officials led by Bush-appointed U.S. attorneys (other prosecutions under investigation include those against former Alabama Gov. Don Siegelman and Pennsylvania medical examiner Cyril Wecht).



    WTF? (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:43:09 PM EST
    THIS should be BIG news, not some silly cat-and-mouse VP slot pick.

    Infreakingcredible.

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    You may be (5.00 / 7) (#13)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:25:28 PM EST
    a teenager in good standing, by the sound of it.  Get to bed.

    Well, I'm taking your advice, Steve (none / 0) (#22)
    by Xanthe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:29:48 PM EST
    as a senior in good standing - good night all.

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    freaking hilarious (none / 0) (#28)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:30:29 PM EST
    good one!  by the looks of the way it was typed, it does look rather juvenile (pun intended)

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    If it's Biden, BTD will be putting (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:28:57 PM EST
    "speaking for myself only" after every post.
    TL could get fun!

    I predicted Jeralyn would come around (none / 0) (#94)
    by waldenpond on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:20:34 PM EST
    to even Biden.   Is it evil of me to be waiting for Biden's first gaffe?

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    I'm not on the edge of my seat (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by dianem on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:29:59 PM EST
    I'm only even vaguely curious. I think Obama pushed this a bit too far. People are bored with the issue and sick of his grandstanding on it.

    What if there were a scintilla of evidence (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:30:23 PM EST
    that Obama had made an offer?

    Exactly. That's where the Obama campaign (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by Firewalker on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:41:06 PM EST
    really screwed up. They didn't vet her even for the optics of it and to be able to say they actually seriously considered her. It's just insult upon and insult. I'm not surprised by what's gone down. I've expected it. Even so, I feel real sad tonight not just over Hillary not being picked for VP but also over the way she wasn't picked. And then I read these comments by Obama supporters in the comments section accompanying the article "Source: Clinton has been told she's not the VP pick" and now my blood is boiling:

    "Thank goodness. Now let's see if she is willing and able to rally her supporters behind the only pro-choice candidate on the ballot."

    "Yeah! He's done enough for her already."

    "now comes the hard work keeping the party together hope she can do it obama 2008"

    Can you imagine?!? "Now comes the hard work keeping the part together hope SHE can do it"?!? Yep, insult upon insult. And Obama supporters like this think all the work is up to Hillary. Ugh.

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    I dunno (5.00 / 7) (#27)
    by Steve M on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:30:26 PM EST
    Are you going to hold on to your nastiness, or are you going to learn to talk to people with a little respect?

    Well, many of us are not voting for (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:34:49 PM EST
    Obama for reasons BEYOND Hillary. I think Obama supporters should really try and understand that it's NOT all about her. And sometimes it's ALL about Obama, and not in a good way.

    I might have (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by Eleanor A on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:41:49 PM EST
    voted against him even with Hillary on the ticket.  Now I'm glad I won't have to make that decision.

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    I had reservations about Obama (none / 0) (#44)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:41:07 PM EST
    long before now. Just because my candidate is no longer in the race doesn't mean those reservations disappeared.

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    An unambiguous hero (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:38:44 PM EST
    Link

    Makes me cry.

    The amazing (none / 0) (#61)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46:24 PM EST
    spirit of motherhood, regardless of species.  That dog and its pups should be treated like royalty.

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    Hopefully She is Getting Drunk:) (5.00 / 6) (#52)
    by dissenter on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:43:52 PM EST
    There is one funny aspect to all of this. Think of all the Obama supporters clinging to their cell phones for a week as the obamadrama has played out. Aren't they gonna be disappointed when they find out the media got the story first.

    Unfortunately the joke is on the millions of people that gave Obama their cell number. They will be plagued with phone calls and text messages for the next three months. By December their numbers will be sold to Zogby for polling.

    People are so naive. Did people not suspect the media would be hanging around outside the houses of every potential VEEP nominee waiting for the secret service to show up? I mean really. That is the story every four years. HELLO

    Sure, it's the story every four years (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:56:34 PM EST
    but a lot of these followers were fourteen then.

    As one greeted me just today:  Yo.

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    Obama (5.00 / 9) (#53)
    by Buckeye on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:44:00 PM EST
    did not even call Hillary himself.  One of his staff members called Hillary and told her she was not selected.  He should have called her himself.

    That is beyond rude (5.00 / 2) (#65)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:47:15 PM EST
    and I truly believe that any unity that might be had in Denver is now long gone. I am glad I won'tbe there, it won't be pretty.

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    That would take (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by suki on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:55:31 PM EST
    the character of graciousness, which he obviously does not have.
    I'm now repulsed.

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    We busunderers feel it only fair (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:59:36 PM EST
    to warn you that Biden, with his mouth, will be under the bus, too, in no time at all.

    Have that cocktail.  And place your bet on when Biden gets tire treads on his back, too.  'Cause won't it be fun to see how he takes it?

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    Oops, this jumped up (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:01:27 PM EST
    from the thread below and belongs to k's comment.

    I was not going to comment on this thread.  But the blogremlins are making me come here.  So what can I say about a junior senator's and younger man's discourtesies but @#$%^@%#@%@$#^^!$@~!~@~@!#!!!

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    Joe Biden? (5.00 / 8) (#54)
    by k on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:44:10 PM EST
    This is the change we've been waiting for? Huh...who knew.

    Move over everyone...I'm throwing myself under the bus.

    {moves over and makes room} (5.00 / 6) (#63)
    by nycstray on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:47:03 PM EST
    Howdy! Can I interest you in a cocktail? All kinds of wonderful people in busunder land  :)

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    Here, have a pillow n/t (5.00 / 5) (#66)
    by Eleanor A on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:48:26 PM EST
    Obama (5.00 / 2) (#67)
    by Buckeye on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:51:05 PM EST
    did not even call Hillary himself.  A staff member told Hillary.  He should have called her himself.

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    Partty under the bus! (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by Fabian on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:56:43 AM EST
    My husband brought me back some Camembert from France - I'll share!

    (Unfortunately it was a business trip.  Fortunately it lasted six days.)

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    I'm so lucky to live in Illinois (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by mmc9431 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:47:05 PM EST
    I won't be forced to vote for a candidate that I feel will destroy the party I have supported for over 40 yrs.

    I don't want more God in government. I want less.

    I don't want to see the public school system destroyed with school vouchers.

    I don't want my civil liberties sold to the highest bidder.

    I don't want to see the last remnants of the New Deal destroyed under the guise of personal responsibility.

    I don't want to swap one war for another.

    I can't believe the party leaders would allow anyone who has never shown the ability to win in a national election to redefine the party.

    I am still laughing at the text message thing (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:57:14 PM EST
    Yeah, the ones who were going to be notified first. I think the message should have gone out this morning if he was keeping his word. And speaking of word, what about the It's not me guys. Right. Then he went off in his car and must have gotten the phone call. Hush, it is too you.

    train wreck (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by AlSmith on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:59:45 PM EST

    Look I am have a Biden guy all along but this thing was handled like a train wreck.

    He tells the press "I'm not the guy"  which means the press wants to take off and get some rest and instead their editors make them stay there watching him make dump runs. All the while the reports and crews are steaming. These are the guys who are going to be reporting on your campaign and you are pissing them off. Maybe they like to get the story and get home for their kids Little League game.

    And if it was Biden this should have been announced on Tuesday or Wednesday. Waiting until Saturday means that you have
      - blunted your coverage of a positive event
      - made it look like your campaign was wracked with indecision and waiting until the last possible minute bickering back and forth

    At this point all McCain has to do is have an orderly announcement of Romney and he has one this round. All the reports will mention how composed he is verses how the Obama was disorganized and chaotic.

    Hell if McCain gets the jump and announced tomorrow, the Obama is screwed and will have to wait another day. Then his signage is in danger for the convention. Why do you let the other guy put you in a bad spot?


    Yep. McCain already announced when (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:13:13 PM EST
    he is going to announce, so I read some days ago.  So all will proceed in an orderly manner as befits a process that is to pick the president of this great land and the leader of the free world.

    That's how it's done by grownups. Oh, and it will be  the day after the Dem convention to ratchet any bounce right back down.  That's how it's done by the politically astute.

    And that's also why the media like McCain.  He's not jerking them around, either.  I caught some of Dodds and Wolfie today, and they were exasperated by it all.  By today, it just got silly.  And undignified.  And not an orderly manner as befits a process that is to pick, etc. . . .

    Dignity.  The American public, at least those over 30, know the importance of dignity.  Now more than ever, after what Bush has done to our reputation.

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    I'm not following you (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Nadai on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:05:12 PM EST
    I'm still angry because my original reasons for being angry are still valid.  I'm still not voting for Obama because my original reasons for not voting for him are still valid.

    I didn't want Clinton as the VP because I didn't want her tainted with what I see as a losing ticket.  Her not being VP has nothing to do with either my anger or my refusal to vote for Obama.

    Hon, I'm going to withhold my vote (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:07:01 PM EST
    AND hold on to my anger at the DNC.

    Love those li'l falst dichotomies from the simplistic thinkers of the world.

    NYT just announced Biden chosen (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by MichaelGale on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:24:44 AM EST
    for VP on their front page.  Turn off the cell phones and sleep in tomorrow.

    I'm still floored by this (4.33 / 3) (#4)
    by Upstart Crow on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:20:16 PM EST
    So I'll post it again from another thread.

    Are the Obama people really going to write to all the newspapers about this? Will we be reading about this again and again for weeks to come?

    From the National Review:

    Grass Roots for Barack   [Byron York]

    Hey! Guess what? I just got my email from Barack!

    But it wasn't about that. Instead, the Obama campaign wants to remind me that -- guess what -- John McCain doesn't know how many houses he owns. From campaign manager David Plouffe:

    If somebody asked you, you probably wouldn't have to think about it.

    But when a reporter asked John McCain how many houses he owns, he stumbled and said, "I think -- I'll have my staff get to you."

    If you're like the millions of people who are struggling to keep up with their mortgage, you might have a different perspective.

    Not only does John McCain have trouble keeping track of all his houses, he looks at record gas prices and a crippling foreclosure crisis and thinks the economy is fundamentally "strong." And last weekend he said anyone making less than $5 million a year isn't rich.

    This is the side of John McCain his campaign wants to hide.

    So yesterday, we launched a TV ad to show everyone how out-of-touch John McCain is with the economic realities of regular Americans.

    But if we're going to get the truth out, it's going to take all of us working together to make it happen.

    Watch the ad and write a letter to your local newspaper exposing the real John McCain:

    But what if I'm no good at writing letters to my local newspaper? Well, just click here:

    Our online tool will help you reach out to your local community and share your views with your friends and neighbors. To begin, just enter your zip code in the box above -- then click Participate. We'll provide you with talking points on how out-of-touch McCain is to help you write your letter and guide you through the process.

    And guess what? They're really helpful. Just look at these talking points:

    John McCain defines rich as making $5 million or more. By McCain's logic, you're middle class if you're making $3 million per year. Do you think that's middle class?

    John McCain thinks "the fundamentals of our economy are strong." For who? With the mortgage crisis taking people's houses and gas prices rising, just who is McCain talking about?

    Now, the campaign advises you to "use your own words" in writing these letters to the editor. But with such great talking points, don't you think some of them might show up in this latest expression of true grass-roots enthusiasm for Obama?


    That's pure astroturfing, (5.00 / 3) (#92)
    by rjarnold on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:14:38 PM EST
    which happens to be Axelrod's specialty.


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    This is a non-issue for me - I have a friend who's (none / 0) (#105)
    by suzieg on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:06:16 AM EST
    62, a part-time marriage counselor, and lives very comfortably off her revenue from rents on her 3 properties in Palo Alto, CA.

    This will not have an impact as he's hoping - anyone who has to move to stay employed, such as engineers, mostly own multiple dwellings.

    He's grasping, especially when the properties are owned by his wife as investment - I smell Kerry behind this attack because the same was done to him with Theresa's properties... it was a loser then, as it is now!

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    Secret Service Dispatched (3.00 / 1) (#17)
    by byteb on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:28:10 PM EST
    to Biden's house according to ABC's Jake Tapper.

    Looks like Joe is the VP pick.

    LInked at RD (none / 0) (#30)
    by Eleanor A on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:31:23 PM EST
    The Dem Convention podium.

    Jesus.  Those delegates better pack platform shoes.

    http://www.denverpost.com/crime/ci_10270047


    Good God (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by suki on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:39:05 PM EST
    The dems have lost their minds.

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    Crikey, (5.00 / 2) (#69)
    by Landulph on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:51:20 PM EST
    Are ABBA going to perform? Pink Floyd? No, wait, don't tell me . . . Xanadu?

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    wow (none / 0) (#106)
    by CHDmom on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 12:07:35 AM EST
    well it is fit for a Rock star. (and wasn't someone just talking about being dignified?) I hope it doesn't give people migraines watching on big TVs

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    From the looks of it, I think the plan (5.00 / 3) (#72)
    by Anne on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:53:00 PM EST
    might be for Obama to descend to the podium on an invisible harness, accompanied by heavenly light and a choir of angels...

    This is going to be some circus.

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    Yep (none / 0) (#83)
    by suki on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:01:17 PM EST
    Complete with lots of clowns.

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    Great description (none / 0) (#91)
    by MichaelGale on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:13:33 PM EST
    Circus

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    Yikes (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Lahdee on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:06:36 PM EST
    Deney Terrio would be proud.
    Disco music and tight pants for everyone!

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    That's pathetic (none / 0) (#75)
    by zyx on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:55:36 PM EST
    NPR had a segment this afternoon on All Things Considered about how orchestrated the conventions are--that they are nothing by "Infomercials". They said a big new guy--Ted Koppel, was it?--walked out of one back when that was starting to happen.

    If only the 1500 or so "journalists" that are going to be at the conventions this time had the same wisdom.

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    The critics who bashed Mama Mia! (none / 0) (#95)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:21:30 PM EST
    now can conclude that it actually was understated.

    My eyes hurt just looking at that photo.  And if they start zapping around with the laser lights and the fast edits and the like . . . no thanks.  I'll be checking TCM for some old Gregory Peck or Cary Grant movies.

    Just so I can see, again, the guys who had class.

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    The secret service detail (none / 0) (#37)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:36:52 PM EST
    is a good harbinger.

    i will be GLUED to TL this weekend if it is Biden to read Jeralyn's reaction.

    they didn't even call her directly per CNN. (none / 0) (#42)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:40:46 PM EST
    She just knew because they never asked her about it. Creeps.

    Are you serious? (none / 0) (#47)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:42:26 PM EST
    Their website says she was informed. Did she really just figure it out? They didn't even contact her directly?

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    Well, that's what they said if I heard right. (none / 0) (#57)
    by Teresa on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:45:07 PM EST
    Whose site? CNN?

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    Have you ever known their website (none / 0) (#104)
    by Amiss on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:52:22 PM EST
    TO TELL A LIE? /S

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    There's going to be hell to pay for this. (none / 0) (#48)
    by Eleanor A on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:42:53 PM EST
    And in no small measure.

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    "Hell hath no fury.... (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by txpolitico67 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:52:57 PM EST
    Obama and the Dem "leadership" (excuse me while I GAG) will find out that revenge is best served
    COLD

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    Bush's Cheney (none / 0) (#59)
    by BarnBabe on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46:00 PM EST
    When the Supreme Court in 2000 gave the Presidency to Bush I said to my friend. Well, at least he has Cheney there to run things behind the scene. Hopefully they will not do too much damage. Ha. Was I ever wrong. A terrible twosome who left us all in a deep pile of Bandini. BTW,

    It would have been better had Cheney (5.00 / 2) (#62)
    by MarkL on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:46:58 PM EST
    been President. He could not have accomplished half as much.

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    Biden is a terrible pick (none / 0) (#73)
    by Buckeye on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 10:55:16 PM EST


    TL;DR (none / 0) (#97)
    by eleanora on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:22:46 PM EST


    1068! So much for the lasting impact (none / 0) (#98)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:23:47 PM EST
    of the Battle of Hastings.  Just another example of a flash in the pan, that William.

    actually (none / 0) (#99)
    by Edgar08 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:23:49 PM EST
    it was wrong not to do anything about rwanda.

    have a nice evening.


    Ummm.... (none / 0) (#100)
    by americanincanada on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:24:57 PM EST
    huh?

    documentary (none / 0) (#102)
    by CHDmom on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 11:33:25 PM EST
    have you seen the preview of the documentary about the caucuses and some primary problems? http://wewillnotbesilenced2008.com/video/index.htm
    I wonder if it will make any of the 24 hour news channels.