Obama-Biden Springfield Appearance Thread

By Big Tent Democrat, Section Elections 2008
Posted on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 01:59:37 PM EST
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I am not going to live blog it but I may add some thoughts if something interesting happens. Here is a thread for you to share your thoughts on the Springfield appearance.

This is a thread about the Springfield appearance only so keep it on topic please.

3:10 pm EDT -Pretty typical event. Not particularly interesting or exciting. The event seems flat to me. Obama's intro is kind of weak to boot. Not great so far. Maybe when Biden gets his chance to praise Obama the excitement level will go up.

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3:18 pm EDT - Obama picks up the energy level when he goes back into campaign rhetoric. Introduces Joe Biden.

3:22 pm EDT - Biden looks good and seems full of energy. His speech's theme is NO Bush's Third Term. That is excellent. IF that will be Biden's theme, then should have had him out on the stump a few weeks ago. Gets off a good zinger on McCain's "7 kitchen tables."

3:28 pm EDT - "Literally?" Enough with the literally. It is simply bad usage and annoying.

3:35 pm EDT - A good VP speech, some of the annoying Biden tics show, but all in all, he'll do, so long as the McCain = Bush's Third Term is his theme. Sounds like it will be. The event was a little rough but it was fine. Nothing special, but good enough I think. Too bad it was on a Saturday instead of last Tuesday.

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Obama-Biden Springfield Appearance Thread | 165 comments (165 topical)

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Biden (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Dave B on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:05:34 PM EST

Appeals to the working class guy.

Him and his buddies at MBNA.

I used to like Biden. Then he helped push through the bankruptcy bill.

In a YouTube - (5.00 / 1) (#82)
by Josey on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:56 PM EST

Biden praised McCain and said he would be willing to campaign WITH or against McCain.
So - it appears Biden was willing to be the Veep -on a Dem or Repub ticket. lol

Biden is in bed with the credit card industry and Obama voted AGAINST capping credit card interest rates!
Hmmm....

And Biden just railed against Cheney's energy bill that gave huge tax cuts to the oil companies - which Obama supported.

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Home state industry. Can't blame JB for that ... (5.00 / 4) (#126)
by RonK Seattle on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:09:05 PM EST

... any more than you can blame Vitter for supporting prositution. :)

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: Hah!!! (5.00 / 1) (#128)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:10:54 PM EST

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Obama thinks Biden is a Leader who (5.00 / 1) (#7)
by Rhouse on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:58 PM EST

shares all of his visions and the crowd goes wild.

: I laughed at that too (5.00 / 1) (#166)
by Makarov on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 07:20:49 PM EST

Overall, I was underwhelmed. Part 1: Obama singing Biden's praises. Part 2A: Biden singing Obama's praises. Part 2B: why this election is so important.
Not much to see here.
It will be interesting to see how Biden is used, what his stump speech is like, and where Biden goes; possibly, where Obama doesn't go.
I'm looking forward to hearing Obama's answer to the question, "Why not Hillary?", as well. Sooner or later, he'll have to take and answer that question, unless everyone in the media tanks for him through November.

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CNN said before the speech (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:11:26 PM EST

that Biden plans to not only say that he feels Obama is now ready, due to seeing him working with international leaders on the public stage over the last months (LMAO), but also intends to explain what he meant when he said what he did before.

This should be good.

: Oooh, new acronym! (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by Landulph on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:13:43 PM EST

WBRM
(What Biden Really Meant)
Given our lad's track record, methink we'll be using these letters quite a lot in coming weeks.

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No one can say Biden has had an easy life. (5.00 / 7) (#10)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:11:53 PM EST

Obama seems to be playing it down (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:12:27 PM EST

for the Biden intro.

The crowd is quiet, so I think maybe they were told to be quiet. The "celebrity" attack is being dealt with (or conceded to).

Obama calls Amtrak "lonely." As a frequent rider of that Amtrak route, I'll have everyone know that Amtrak is NOT lonely.

Find me a lonely commuter train (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:14:35 PM EST

I dare ya! Even on a reverse commute, you have plenty of company.

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: One Biden son was on Amtrak board. (none / 0) (#21)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:17:26 PM EST

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Yeah, I found that (5.00 / 1) (#52)
by Andy08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:17 PM EST

reference to riding the Amtrak train being lonely as quite demeaning frankly...

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: Demeaning? (5.00 / 2) (#145)
by robrecht on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:00:55 PM EST

Amazing the silly negative connotations some people will read into a single word of an Obama speech. Biden commutes 2-hours each way by train, twice a day in order to be with his family every night. That's all he meant, he's not demeaning Amtrak or anyone for that matter.

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Working class, working class. Obama better (none / 0) (#15)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:14:31 PM EST

not say that other word or he'll be under the bus with us.

Are those signs just Obama? No Obama/Biden ready yet?

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They say Biden in light blue (none / 0) (#18)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:15:52 PM EST

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oops. I knew my Lasik was wearing out. (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:17:35 PM EST

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: Ok. I found my glasses...could they have made (5.00 / 1) (#53)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:23 PM EST

that light blue any harder to see?

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oops, he almost said next President (5.00 / 1) (#13)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:12:50 PM EST

That is the core of who Biden is..and I am (none / 0) (#30)
by catfish on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:37 PM EST

introducing the next president ... the next VICE president

Oh that one will get replayed.

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: Ok, I did hear that right? (none / 0) (#32)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:21:29 PM EST

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: You'd think...... (none / 0) (#34)
by Maria Garcia on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:22:06 PM EST

...but it won't be. Except maybe on Fox.

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Freudian slip or wishful thinking? (none / 0) (#139)
by prittfumes on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:42:13 PM EST

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: Shades of Cheney. (none / 0) (#169)
by alexei on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 10:35:24 PM EST

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Oh - Obama just touted the Crime Bill (5.00 / 3) (#17)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:15:06 PM EST

That's not going to make Jeralyn very happy.

They have to make a positive (none / 0) (#19)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:16:44 PM EST

out of a package that included the assault weapons ban (IIRC).

Anyway, it was popular during the Clinton administration.

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: I remember that time well. (5.00 / 2) (#115)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:53:25 PM EST

Honestly, I don't entirely get supporting Clinton if that bill is a deal breaker for someone. I did not get the sense that she was much more progressive than either of these guys on the crime front.

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The secret Energy bill that you went ahead (5.00 / 3) (#23)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:17:42 PM EST

and voted yes for? That one Obama?

That scrappy kid from Scranton (5.00 / 1) (#24)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:18:09 PM EST

I like it. Kid Biden, that's how you bridge the age gap.

: One of the words that can't be used in reverse. . (5.00 / 1) (#27)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:11 PM EST

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: Until they stand next to each other (none / 0) (#25)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:18:57 PM EST

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Biden was just introduced as the next President. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
by lansing quaker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:19 PM EST

Oh God, here we go w/the single (5.00 / 1) (#35)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:22:14 PM EST

mom meme again. Good thing Jeralyn is out.

Don't watch the first night of (none / 0) (#41)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:45 PM EST

the convention. They're going to be spending time telling us Obama stories {gag} The Barack Obama I know . . .

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: I don't plan to. (none / 0) (#129)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:12:29 PM EST

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Obama gave a good (5.00 / 1) (#37)
by Andy08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:08 PM EST

speech (well he usually does) but I have one question:

Why is he look so angry? He really should learn to relax and smile a bit more when speaking. He comes across as too tight and kind of pissed off...

Look at Biden: he smiles and looks relax.

It goes along with the influctions (5.00 / 1) (#93)
by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:41:17 PM EST

he uses. That trained going down and loud at the end of his sentences. I managed to resist the remote control until he started the story of Biden's first wife. A compassionate story told in that speaking style lost me.

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: Too affected (5.00 / 1) (#125)
by Andy08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:08:20 PM EST

it doesn't accross as very "empathic" ...
He should stop looking so angry; it is not appealing ... I guiess it also goes with his compolete lack of self-deprecating -and other-- sense of humor ...

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po'd (5.00 / 3) (#142)
by jedimom on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:53:09 PM EST

oh I think Obama is probably mad he couldnt have Kaine. I think that was the delay, he was all set with Kaine when the polling started tanking alarmingly after Georgia and the waffling Obama did in that three day window.

Look Biden was in Georgia! Hey how about Biden? Poll that!

and here we are.

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: Exactly (5.00 / 3) (#147)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:02:24 PM EST

Biden is clearly NOT who he wanted and it shows.

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Probably a mistake to echo (5.00 / 3) (#38)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:19 PM EST

Hillary's battle cry.

This is really falling falling flat for me. Biden just mistook the numbers of years he meant to say.

Biden is saying what BTD wishes (5.00 / 1) (#43)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:36 PM EST

Obama would say. Well, except for the McCain kitchen tables joke.

Obama (5.00 / 3) (#59)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:30:49 PM EST

could definitely push the content in Biden's speech more. I think Biden being white allows him to pull off righteous anger more easily though. Maybe I'm wrong though, because Obama does it pretty well on Iraq.

I'm not trying to stir up anything - but the questions about Obama and racial stereotypes do interest me. Seeing Biden brings these things to mind.

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: No, you are right (5.00 / 3) (#157)
by Claw on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:57:27 PM EST

White guys can get angry...black men not so much. He'll be a good attack dog as long as he doesn't say anything crazy. That's a big, big IF.

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Biden speaking from notes (5.00 / 1) (#45)
by stxabuela on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:46 PM EST

not a teleprompter--good remark, McCain not knowing which kitchen table to sit at.

Hmm (5.00 / 4) (#48)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:26:17 PM EST

if Biden doesn't say something too ridiculous, and sticks to the economy, I think he will be a pretty good partner. He is doing a good job of firebreathing. He hits similar notes to Hillary.

Maybe it's just me (none / 0) (#50)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST

but I feel he's hitting the same notes as Hillary and I wish he would have come up with someone a little more original.

I am waiting for something to inspire me...still waiting....

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It's kind of amusing (5.00 / 2) (#66)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:32:59 PM EST

that he's sort of like a Hillary clone right now. If I was Hillary I might throw something at the TV watching this...but imitation is the best form of flattery, I suppose. Maybe the Obama camp has learned something from Clinton...sort of.

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I hope so (5.00 / 2) (#70)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:34:53 PM EST

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Then again, their next campaign stop (none / 0) (#78)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:30 PM EST

could be Macon, Georgia...

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: The next stop is Eau Claire, Wisconsin (none / 0) (#136)
by Cream City on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:35:28 PM EST

according to my local media. College town surrounded by Northern redneck country. Is that the nearly Canadian equivalent of Georgia?:-)
The college town has been going more and more Dem. And there are Minnesota workers increasingly coming across the river to live in quaint Wisconsin. (I also know Eau Claire faculty who live in the Twin Cities.)
But it's surrounded by major gun country, where they won't like Obama and Biden for that alone. Just know that when you see the just words rolling on your just tv screens.
Oh, and it's also a hotbed of nativism, more against Asians (Minnesota and Wisconsin have the most Hmong in the country) because of some awful hunting incidents such as a massacre of good ol' Wisconsin boys and girls at a hunting camp.
Could be interesting.

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Well, the passion that Biden is showing (5.00 / 9) (#51)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:27:50 PM EST

it is great and much needed in my estimation.

It comes through (5.00 / 2) (#55)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:53 PM EST

on radio also

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: Makes me wish I voted for him. (5.00 / 1) (#58)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:30:19 PM EST

I love a great old-fashioned passionate stump speech.

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I think I'd rather have Biden! (5.00 / 3) (#61)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:06 PM EST

I do like a fighter even when he isn't perfect.

Barack Omarack (5.00 / 2) (#71)
by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:34:58 PM EST

is what Biden called him during his speech. There were some other funny misspeaks too. So who's the dottering old guy again?

He comes off a bit like John Murtha (5.00 / 3) (#85)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:35 PM EST

Believe me, it's a small flaw that's endearing.

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I suspect not to everyone (5.00 / 0) (#90)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:41 PM EST

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: Anyway, John King makes a good point: (none / 0) (#97)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:38 PM EST

Joe Biden's job is to "superglue" John McCain to George Bush.

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I sure hope that was snark, 'cause it was (none / 0) (#100)
by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:43 PM EST

one of the funniest things said in the thread! You get a '5' from me on that one, andgarden :)

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Biden has always muddled his (5.00 / 3) (#116)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:55:14 PM EST

words - until today I did not know that as a kid he had a stutter - sort of explains many, many years of mis-speaks.

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: Or (none / 0) (#123)
by tek on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:04:02 PM EST

it's just good PR.

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They said on Fox that (5.00 / 2) (#154)
by prittfumes on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:38:27 PM EST

Biden said Barack "America". That's what I thought I heard too.

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: could be.. that's even funnier though :-) n/t (none / 0) (#158)
by DandyTIger on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:13:24 PM EST

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LOL!~ YO BIDEN! He divided the party! (5.00 / 1) (#72)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:35:03 PM EST

OK...now it's just getting creepy (5.00 / 2) (#75)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:36:30 PM EST

Yikes...how much kool-aide did they give Biden before he came out? In all his years in the senate Obama is the best he's seen?!?!?

& he's drop-dead gorgeous. Did I hear that? (5.00 / 1) (#81)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:43 PM EST

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Oh, he meant Michelle. (none / 0) (#86)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:41 PM EST

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No (5.00 / 1) (#89)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:40 PM EST

Biden was talking about Jill...

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: I think I need to start all over! She is pretty. (5.00 / 1) (#94)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:41:27 PM EST

I can't read and listen at the same time, obviously.

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He was talking about Jill. (5.00 / 1) (#91)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:51 PM EST

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: Now, if a Clinton had said (5.00 / 1) (#137)
by Cream City on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:37:03 PM EST

that someone was drop-dead gorgeous, it would be called a callout for assassination.

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Is 'Ladies and Gentlemen' (5.00 / 0) (#80)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:43 PM EST

going to be the Obama campaign's "My friends'?

Stem winder (5.00 / 0) (#84)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:24 PM EST

nicely done.

I thought it was a fantastic speech. (5.00 / 4) (#87)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:59 PM EST

That was a level of energy not to mention humor that I think Obama's campaign always lacked.

It was an ok speech (5.00 / 1) (#96)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:26 PM EST

to some at our house here watching, Canadians with no dog in the hunt, Biden didn't seem to believe what he was saying. They said he seemed to be struggling to make what he said about Barack believable while they believed me meant what he said for himself. (shrugs)

I somewhat agree.

Oh Sh!t (5.00 / 1) (#99)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:45:32 PM EST

McCain is turning "say anything do anything" on Biden.

And already talking about the "next (5.00 / 2) (#105)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:14 PM EST

President" line. I think this may be nastier than I imagined. Both camps respond really fast. I wish Kerry had done that.

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McCain has been on top of this (5.00 / 2) (#112)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:52:15 PM EST

since last night. They were ready and waiting.

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Another tactical mistake by Obama (none / 0) (#140)
by Cream City on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:42:31 PM EST

The McCain camp has had a lot of time to get ready. Probably has been ready for a week for this.

And the leftover oppo research on Kaine, Sebelius, et al.? It already has been faxed to their local GOPs to use when the wannabes want to get re-elected.

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: Not to be rude (5.00 / 1) (#159)
by mbuchel on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:13:43 PM EST

but are you really naive enough to think that the repug hacks didn't have oppo attacks prepared for weeks for anyone the dems would choose? Whether it came today, yesterday, last week or last month, it would have been the same.

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How so? (none / 0) (#102)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:47:07 PM EST

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: They took what he said about Obama (none / 0) (#108)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:50:30 PM EST

and sorta squished it and said that Biden would say anything do anything. I'm sure it will get repeated as it was a statement from the McCain camp. Kinda sounded like it came from the Obama camp ;)

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My reactions since last night. (5.00 / 3) (#101)
by Faust on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:46:31 PM EST

Annoyed that Hillary wasn't picked even though I knew she wasn't going to be.
Very pleased that Biden is clearly going to be the attack dog. Obama needed an attack dog to push the Bush/McCain meme.
Literally annoyed with Bidens literal literality with his literal use of the word literally.

: Let's give Obama credit for not (5.00 / 0) (#120)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:00:31 PM EST

placing a qualifying adjective in front of "unique."

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msnbc (5.00 / 2) (#104)
by daria g on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:47:33 PM EST

Matthews has that tingle going up his leg again, apparently. Keith Obamaman asking more leading questions to everyone he interviews to make sure they praise Obama effusively.

Oh, Matthews is totally going to be in the tank (5.00 / 4) (#109)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:50:32 PM EST

for this ticket now. He LOVES Biden. Plus, now he has a hometown angle.

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: Yes he does. (5.00 / 2) (#114)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:53:03 PM EST

I hate it when he drools like that.

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I know I reallly hate that Olberman does that. (5.00 / 3) (#113)
by Maria Garcia on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:52:57 PM EST

...one of the many things about him I can't stand.

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I agree with BTD. If this was on (5.00 / 1) (#106)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:20 PM EST

Tuesday night I think this would've generated more excitement. Biden seems energetic enough that he shouldn't be shown off, but let out to run around and make noise. This speech may get lost in the leadup to the convention now, which is a shame.

Either way Biden looks like he will be a shot in the arm for Obama's campaign. Hopefully we'll hear more from him and less from Plouffe, say, who I dislike....a lot.

: Yes and (5.00 / 1) (#111)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:52:15 PM EST

we'll get some mileage on the Sunday yakathons. The kitchen table line, the economic populist stuff, the I'm from a different background stuff will keep them talking.
It's a good rehearsal for his VP acceptance speech.

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: If McCain had had a good week maybe (none / 0) (#160)
by mbuchel on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:16:34 PM EST

BTD would be right. But if he'd announced last Tuesday we may very well not have gotten the gift from heaven that was McCain's housing problem.

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Joe's (5.00 / 2) (#117)
by glennmcgahee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:56:10 PM EST

son apparently got him the gig by keeping Larry Sinclair jailed and away from the press. Didn't Joe author the bankruptcy bill that has stymied Americans and made them slaves to the credit card companies that are all based in Delaware. Isn't Joe the author of the bill that made drug paraphenalia against the law so you can get jailed for having rolling papers, etc. Yea, he's progressive alright. But Chris Mathews other leg will sure get a tingle.

: Hey it's an Obamathing (5.00 / 2) (#119)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:58:54 PM EST

There is only goodness in Obama and badness with McCain.
Good Obama, bad McCain, there is no yesterday.

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And the latest headline is . . . . (5.00 / 1) (#122)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:03:21 PM EST

you guessed it!

: Okay, (5.00 / 1) (#130)
by ccpup on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:19:44 PM EST

I know what Obama means when he says Biden "is ready to be President". But with his Is He Experienced numbers plummeting, he may want to find a better way to say it or just stay away from it altogether.
My partner did burst out laughing when he saw that headline, though.
:-)

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: Both that gaffe... (5.00 / 1) (#131)
by lansing quaker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:23:14 PM EST

as well as Biden's "Barack America!" are already on youtube. Sheeeez!

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Hope...Change... (5.00 / 2) (#124)
by kredwyn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:08:06 PM EST

and Joe Biden.

::head shake::

Yeah, well (none / 0) (#127)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:10:30 PM EST

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: Suffice it to say... (5.00 / 2) (#135)
by kredwyn on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:32:54 PM EST

I am underwhelmed.

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Aww, aww. C-Span is playing (5.00 / 1) (#133)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:26:33 PM EST

video of Biden's claims about his class position in law school and full scholarship claims.

I was in the car, on the way to the (5.00 / 5) (#152)
by Anne on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:13:18 PM EST

grocery store, and was only able to hear Obama up to the point where he got ready to launch into Biden's bio.

Is there anyone - okay, there are probably some - who listened to him say:

I searched for a leader who understands the rising costs confronting working people, and who will always put their dreams first. A leader who sees clearly the challenges facing America in a changing world, with our security and standing set back by eight years of a failed foreign policy. A leader who shares my vision of an open government that calls all citizens - Democrats, Republicans and Independents - to a common purpose. Above all, I searched for a leader who is ready to step in and be President.

who didn't want to scream: "SHE WAS RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR NOSE, YOU *%@#!!"

And when he said:

Joe Biden is that rare mix - for decades, he has brought change to Washington, but Washington hasn't changed him.

was your reaction the same as mine? Huh? Biden has been bringing change to Washington? Biden?

This is going to be really interesting...

It was (1.00 / 1) (#156)
by JThomas on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:56:44 PM EST

a very good start of this general election today. Biden is salt of the earth and will help Obama.

Michelle signing autographs with Jill Biden (none / 0) (#1)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:00:21 PM EST

in the crowd.

Oh, and Carl Bernstein took one last chance (5.00 / 2) (#2)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:00:56 PM EST

to take a shot at Hillary.

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: Oh, I doubt (5.00 / 9) (#4)
by nemo52 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:02:06 PM EST

if this is Bernstein's last chance to take a shot at Hillary -- it's insider Washington's favorite parlor game.

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I don't remember (5.00 / 2) (#6)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:08:55 PM EST

if I have ever seen a potential first lady ever sign autographs. Just me.

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: There is so much about the democratic (5.00 / 1) (#68)
by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:34:36 PM EST

party's side of this election I've never seen before that I'm feeling like a newbie to the process, and I've been voting since 1972.
Haka

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Dick Durbin there too. (none / 0) (#3)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:01:10 PM EST

: Oh (5.00 / 1) (#103)
by tek on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:47:25 PM EST

big surprise. Durbin. He has his hand in Obama's candidacy as much as anyone but he's keeping a low profile in case Obama bombs.

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Oh and Washington hasn't changed (none / 0) (#8)
by Rhouse on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:11:20 PM EST

him from a working class hero. (Obama speaking of Biden and mentions Scranton and working class in one sentence.)

: How are your heartstrings doing? lol!~ (none / 0) (#12)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:12:44 PM EST

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I think he could have given Biden a great (none / 0) (#20)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:16:56 PM EST

nominating speech!

He did it (none / 0) (#26)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:07 PM EST

The next President, oops
The next Vice President.

LMAO (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:49 PM EST

That was too funny!

the repubs will use that to say that even Obama knows he shouldn't be at the top of the ticket.

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: And he made that mistake (5.00 / 2) (#33)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:22:01 PM EST

while using teleprompters.

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Really diminishes the impact of the (5.00 / 1) (#83)
by JavaCityPal on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:38:14 PM EST

Obama camp trying to say McCain's confusion over which country borders which in parts of the Middle East is a drawback. That's something most can relate to.

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Bad visuals. Why not put the the (none / 0) (#29)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:20:24 PM EST

podium in front of the columns?

I'm not used to seeing Joe have to look at (none / 0) (#36)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:23:54 PM EST

a teleprompter.

: he's never seen a mike (5.00 / 1) (#76)
by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:14 PM EST

he couldn't talk to, lol.

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Come on Joe (none / 0) (#39)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:21 PM EST

Inspire me.

The crowd is almost sedate (none / 0) (#40)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:24:32 PM EST

That's a problem.

I think it's the hot outdoors. Maybe an arena (5.00 / 3) (#49)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:26:37 PM EST

would have been a better choice. It holds the noise in.

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Gets off another good line (5.00 / 3) (#56)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:29:02 PM EST

we need "more than a good soldier, we need a wise leader."

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: Who might this wise leader (5.00 / 2) (#62)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:49 PM EST

be though? Biden himself? Surely not Obama if he needed to select Biden.

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: Wise leader = Obama? (none / 0) (#60)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:30:58 PM EST

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I don't think the crowd (none / 0) (#47)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:26:00 PM EST

is all that enthused about Biden. They are there for Obama. It seems very....flat...uninspired.

OH MY GOD...let the housing thing go!!

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: Let the housing thing go? (none / 0) (#161)
by mbuchel on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 05:20:46 PM EST

Are you serious? This should used in every Democratic speech at the convention, on the stump, in the debates, commercials, everywhere.

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A smart move (none / 0) (#42)
by Demi Moaned on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:32 PM EST

I disagree with BTD. I think it was a smart move to bury this on Saturday. The convention starts Monday and there'll be lots of opportunity to roll out the Biden propaganda with little interference.

zing (none / 0) (#44)
by Lahdee on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:37 PM EST

Kitchen tables. Good one!

For Jeralyn: a request/question (none / 0) (#46)
by Andy08 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:25:52 PM EST

could you expand what Obama said about Biden being responsible for passing the the bill/act to protect women from violence?

I am interested in what the bill was, when was that passed (and why not before) and Biden and other's role.

Wiki has info. SCOTUS struck (none / 0) (#54)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:28:52 PM EST

down a portion of the legislation on grounds Congress had exceeded it's jurisdiction.

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: Thanks oculus (none / 0) (#172)
by Andy08 on Sat Aug 30, 2008 at 03:38:05 PM EST

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What's with the boos? Cheerleaders? (none / 0) (#57)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:29:58 PM EST

They were booing Bush and McCain (none / 0) (#64)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:53 PM EST

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: Got that. Just sounds like a sitcom. (none / 0) (#74)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:35:17 PM EST

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I saw (none / 0) (#63)
by tek on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:31:52 PM EST

the intro on Headline News. Some young woman reporter just gushed that Obama's supporters ADORE him!

Steel in his Spine?!?! (none / 0) (#65)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:32:33 PM EST

What has Obama accomplished (5.00 / 1) (#67)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:33:30 PM EST

in the last 18 months that shows steel?

And who is Barack America?

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I thought that's what he said! Maybe he (5.00 / 4) (#73)
by Teresa on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:35:06 PM EST

meant CaptainAmerica. Doesn't he post here?

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He didn't 'beat the pants' (5.00 / 7) (#151)
by americanincanada on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:10:21 PM EST

off anyone. He li,ped across the finish line carried. He was on a losing streak and was also losing steam. Not to mention the margin of victory was slim and hardly a mandate from the party.

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: and dont forget (5.00 / 5) (#155)
by sarahfdavis on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:38:38 PM EST

the race baiting. the trashing of the clinton legacy. the misogyny. the witch hunt by the media. the caucus thuggery. god i despise this candidate.

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: The Two Aren't Mutually Exclusive (none / 0) (#170)
by daring grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:47:19 AM EST

Whether you argue that Clinton finally got the better managed campaign later that she should have had from the start, or that her later momentum came in states where she was heavily favored and should have won, it's true Obama faltered later when faced with her strengths.
But that he was able to win so decisively before that against a brand name Democrat whose husband is a popular two term president did show impressive campaigning ability. Surprised the heck out of a lot of us.
His mandate from the party was in winning more pledged delegates, popular vote and SDs--that's the system that was in place for the primaries. It can be argued it was very close--and it was--but pretending he has no party mandate is silly.

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lol (none / 0) (#143)
by jedimom on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:54:35 PM EST

okay cmon! BWAAAAHAAA!!!

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Uh (none / 0) (#69)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:34:40 PM EST

now we've got some Proud Papa weirdness going on...and ps, he is The One.

Will the Delaware voters (none / 0) (#77)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:20 PM EST

take umbrage at all this Scranton, PA stuff?

No (5.00 / 1) (#88)
by andgarden on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:20 PM EST

And if they do, they'll still vote for him.

Scranton is more important to talk about.

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: Plus Irish. (5.00 / 0) (#98)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:44:32 PM EST

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He just needs to cry now. (none / 0) (#79)
by nycstray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:37:38 PM EST

What's the post-Biden music? (none / 0) (#92)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:39:52 PM EST

Beautiful Day - U2 (none / 0) (#95)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:42:19 PM EST

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Wasn't that... (none / 0) (#107)
by DET103 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:48:28 PM EST

...the Kerry song?

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Yup. Brit pols use it too tho. (none / 0) (#110)
by lilburro on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:52:01 PM EST

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Everybody uses it all the time. (5.00 / 0) (#118)
by inclusiveheart on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 02:57:04 PM EST

Sprngsteen's music opened the event.

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: No, that was U2 to. (5.00 / 1) (#132)
by lansing quaker on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:25:53 PM EST

"City of Blinding Lights" I think. I remember it from The Devil Wears Prada soundtrack.

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Politico exec. editor is doing review (none / 0) (#121)
by oculus on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:03:00 PM EST

of the post-Biden speech music. Cool. BTD?

Meanwhile (none / 0) (#141)
by Pianobuff on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 03:52:27 PM EST

Some people are getting upset.

This spin is classic: "Meanwhile, two sources familiar with Obama's VP search tell CNN's Roland Martin 'Clinton was very much under consideration, and it's wrong for anyone to suggest that she wasn't.'"

: do not understand why they handled it like this... (5.00 / 5) (#149)
by jedimom on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:05:07 PM EST

Well that CNN piece is prescient, LOL, apparently only the Obama campaign didnt care that this backlash would come going into the convention. The Roland Martin spin wont cut it frankly..
I am upset over it, I am a blue collar middle class, BA holding, 39, Irish and Italian, Catholic with two kids, two dogs and one house. I always liked Joe and I am done getting the cold shoulder from Obama campaign.
Not going to be able to do it this year. 20 year downticket Dem since I turned 18 and send money to the DNC DCCC DSCC and Kerry, maxed out to Hillary for primary funds, way out of my budget but I know she will fight for what we need.
Now I am tired and sick of being brushed off and ignored and all the way downt he line, disrespected.
Sorry for word fog. I don't buy the BS spin that she was vetted. They kept pushing that library donor, foundation donor meme to make excuses and it is clear they didnt even care to pretend to consider the winner of the popular vote.
I can feel the Scahdenfraude, I am fired up and no longer bitter but pixxed. Bet I'm not the only one. You know how the talking heads kept comparing Hillary to their ex wives throughout the primary? I feel like I did about my ex husband for a while years ago. Just done. Disgusted, pixxed and just..done. Wouldnt lift a finger to help if their hair were on fire.
Okay maybe still bitter, LOL.

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: Roland Martin was the one who insisted on CNN's (5.00 / 1) (#163)
by andrys on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:12:26 PM EST

360, to a puzzled Anderson Cooper, that he had talked with the senior staff and in NO WAY was Clinton being considered for the job. He was very adamant about this and very happy about this information which he wanted everyone to know so they'd stop even thinking about it.
It definitely pleased him to say all this. Now they realize that being so openly disdainful of Clinton among themselves (including ultra-aligned pundits like Martin) may not play well with the electorate. So Martin is apparently given the task of spinning it the other way now.

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LOL, (none / 0) (#153)
by eleanora on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 04:16:44 PM EST

your talking points are showing.

Trying again (none / 0) (#164)
by Realleft on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:21:35 PM EST

It appears that my earlier comments were deleted for no good reason that I can determine. I'll try again.

I really do not understand why there is gnashing of teeth and anger here. Two politicians went head to head for the Democratic nomination and one won.

I supported Obama, and still do even though I do not like everything that he has chosen to do.

Had Clinton won, I wouldn't have expected her to pick Obama for VP - it would have been great, but I wouldn't have expected it.

Senator Clinton probably did not really want the VP slot. If she had, she wouldn't have used a kitchen sink strategy when she had already lost mathematically (which she had before her campaign started trying to change the required number of delegates in order to try to get her back into it).

: You missed a couple of standard talking points (5.00 / 1) (#167)
by Marvin42 on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:17:35 PM EST

From the Obama campaign in that post, you may want to cross check with the list next time.
And may I suggest if you comment was deleted there was probably a good reason.

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: You could google P. Cronin's (5.00 / 1) (#168)
by hairspray on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 08:46:05 PM EST

analysis of "Caucuses and Primaries" to understand the dynamics of this election. The evidence of her work shows that Obama won in caucuses primarily and particularly in states that he won't win in November. It also demonstrates the fraud associated with these caucuses. Now his polling is showing how that relationship is coming home to roost. Instead of picking Hillary to bring in those voters he finds a poor substitute totally destroying his "reason d'etre" As for Hillary picking Obama, I really do think she would have.

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: I'm An Obama Supporter Too (none / 0) (#171)
by daring grace on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:52:13 AM EST

It's not surprising in such a close contest that some (many?) Clinton supporters would feel she had earned the VP post.
If she had won, do you really doubt that many (most?) of us Obama supporters wouldn't have been clamoring for him to be her VP too?

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Home run (none / 0) (#165)
by lentinel on Sat Aug 23, 2008 at 06:27:55 PM EST

The last time I hear a speech referred to as a "home run", it was when Colin Powell was shoveling all that horse manure at the United Nations.

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