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I just captioned it with the notation that conventions actually were unscripted then, so they were far more fun to watch. The first reality TV!
And then I take a break and turn to TL, open this thread first, and find this comment first. :-) Parent
We'll be watching Michelle Obama tomorrow night; I'm crossing my fingers she gives a great speech. I like her and hate when the press goes after her for being a strong woman. And of course, we've got a big family dinner planned for Hillary's speech on Tuesday night. Not sure if I can stand to watch President Clinton on Weds, he must be so angry. Parent
That one is my all-time favorite.
I really want to see this mean-spirited woman fall on her fanny. Parent
I loved the fashions in this year's campaigns, from Hillary's practical and colorful pantsuits to Michelle's retro Jackie-O look. And Elizabeth Edwards always looked like, "Yeah, I wear what I feel like; bite me." ♥ Parent
I also like both Michelle's and Cindy's clothes. They both dress really well. Hillary also looked good this entire campaign season. Can't really say anything bad about how any of the women looked. (That must have bored fashion editors to death!) Parent
If John McCain can provide some lightheartedness the following week, it will do him a lot of good. Parent
Me neither.
The whole thing is a big yawn. We're going to watch movies this week. Parent
An all out brawl would liven up the convention... you know it livens up ice hockey matches :) Parent
One flashpoint is the assigned speech topic for former president Bill Clinton, who is scheduled to speak Wednesday night, when the convention theme is "Securing America's Future." The night's speakers will argue that Obama would be a more effective commander in chief than his Republican rival, Sen. John McCain (Ariz.). The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas -- emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s. This is an especially sore point for Bill Clinton, people close to him say, because among many grievances he has about the campaign Obama waged against his wife is a belief that the candidate poor-mouthed the political and policy successes of his two terms. [. . .] While Bill Clinton remains angry about how he and his wife were treated by both Obama backers and the news media -- and he is particularly resentful at what he sees as unfair allegations that he tried to exploit racial divisions for political advantage -- he has made the decision that he will put forward a positive face for Obama's benefit at Denver. It is harder to do that when the topic is foreign policy and national security, which lends itself to restrained, rather than boisterous, partisan rhetoric. "That puts him in a terrible bind, because you can't give a ringing endorsement when you're talking about foreign policy," a longtime Clinton adviser said. "Obviously, the hard thing to talk about with Obama is commander in chief, of all his many talents. "You don't rah-rah about commander in chief. You rah-rah about hope and change and a new party and all that. So no matter what he does, somebody will find fault with it."
The former president is disappointed, associates said, because he is eager to speak about the economy and more broadly about Democratic ideas -- emphasizing the contrast between the Bush years and his own record in the 1990s.
This is an especially sore point for Bill Clinton, people close to him say, because among many grievances he has about the campaign Obama waged against his wife is a belief that the candidate poor-mouthed the political and policy successes of his two terms.
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While Bill Clinton remains angry about how he and his wife were treated by both Obama backers and the news media -- and he is particularly resentful at what he sees as unfair allegations that he tried to exploit racial divisions for political advantage -- he has made the decision that he will put forward a positive face for Obama's benefit at Denver.
It is harder to do that when the topic is foreign policy and national security, which lends itself to restrained, rather than boisterous, partisan rhetoric.
"That puts him in a terrible bind, because you can't give a ringing endorsement when you're talking about foreign policy," a longtime Clinton adviser said. "Obviously, the hard thing to talk about with Obama is commander in chief, of all his many talents.
"You don't rah-rah about commander in chief. You rah-rah about hope and change and a new party and all that. So no matter what he does, somebody will find fault with it."
Great.
Having Bill Clinton sell Democrats would have been a wonderful thing. Having him give a sober speech about how Obama can be commander in chief? What a waste of talent. Too bad they threw Wes Clark under the bus. He would have been the right person to make this case.
Paging BTD, Paging BTD: The Obama campaign wants to lose or they are so utterly inept they should all be run back to Chicago never to be seen again. Parent
Hell, FDR would assigned to talking about the environment or something.
NEW! CHANGE!
Let's face it, the Obama campaign is blowing this thing. Parent
I trust and respect her judgement, but I wonder if she's pouring water in a wicker basket with these people! Parent
And this crew in charge now would have ER give her recipe for chocolate-chip cookies. . . .
(And she was, as she said herself, a terrible cook.) Parent
The positive feelings from Biden as VP (as opposed to the others who were on the short list) have now been outweighed by this latest insult to Bill Clinton. Parent
Have Biden talk about foreign policy or something. Sheesh. Parent
Could you imagine how funny that would be? While these people speak, the TV cameras pan the audience at the appropriate applause points and you see the whole crowd, slumped in their seats, snoring loudly. Parent
Meanwhile: Some Dems close to Obama say they're equally irked at the Clintons for continuing to act like they hold leverage. Parent
But now I can't even look at their mail with all the rah-rah blather. They're enabling the party, so I won't enable them. Parent
What a fairy-tale world it is.
Oh, oops, how racist of me to say so, just like Bill. Btw, ever since that crap, I work the words fairy tale into conversation with Obama backers, every chance I get. Parent
You know those commentors who blithely proclaim that the biggest reason not to have Hillary as VP is that Bill Clinton would be around the White House? People like that apparently call the shots within Camp Obama.
Keep your seatbelt buckled, I'd say. Parent
I. Just. Don't. Get. It.
I really wish the Green Party wasn't so Animal Rights. If they went more Animal Welfare, they'd prob do ok going forward. At least they stand for some things that resemble what I can relate to. The Working Families party also is something that I need to check out more. I noticed when I voted in the past, they had some of the major Dems here under their banner also. I voted under their party if it was a Dem I was going to vote for anyway. I think the 2 party system that's looking like one, needs to die at this point. Parent
Maxine Waters was a Hillary supporter up until the very dying end. Feinstein was too. (I'm not sure about Boxer.) Hillary got a lot of support from Latino and Asian leaders.
Anyway, lots of Dems though they are primarily near the coasts and the big cities. It's probably going to seem a lot like NY in a lot of ways. Parent
If he treats both states as fall in line states, well, some of us know how that feels. I'm a native CA gal, so I'm basically moving back from a similar mindset, statewide. I'll be going from Brooklyn to a small mountain town, but I'm used to different environments. It's my history. I think that's why I find it interesting watching Obama and his disconnects.
I liked Jay's interview with Hil. You could see they had a connect on the working class. Waters and Feinstein were great. And iirc, Boxer didn't flip until it was over. Only thing I'm really embarrassed about as a CA gal now is Nancy. I voted for her back in the day. Luckily, I won't be moving back to SF as I originally thought. I'm over the pet limit, lol!~ ;) Parent
One I thought that was really funny showed Hillary joining the "common folk" by robbing a liquor store with a gun. Another one had either her or him calling the other one at 3 a.m.
He had one on almost every night. They were all cute and they showed Hillary as someone with a sense of humor, similar to her SNL appearances. Since she was out of money at that point in the campaign, I'm sure she enjoyed the free publicity. And Leno is a liberal.
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I'm not so sure he'll do well here in November, despite what the polls say. I don't see signs for him or much support for him. In fact, this past Saturday we drove through an area where we should have seen some Obama support but the only signs I saw were for Open Houses.
He didn't carry any of the areas around here with the "movie star elite." Hillary carried those, for some reason.
People were actually kind of quiet on their Hillary support. Some of the bigger power brokers in the entertainment industry went for Obama, so that probably had something to do with it. (Everybody still needs to have a job after the elections! :) ) Parent
there was a discussion of the total outing of the Clintons from the party.
The DNC and other party leaders began the outing campaign in 2004 (Obama gave the keynote speech) because they knew Hillary would run in 2008. So the leadership think that with the nomination of Obama, the outing of the Clintons is fait accompli. Not.
Hillary and Bill are working diligently to ensure they come on top. Only fools don't see it. Parent
"Please get away from the blast zone. Remove to Bunkers #2 and #4." Parent
The party must want to lose, there can be no other excuse for this kind of stupidity. Parent
Yes, President Clinton had a great economic record. But he also was successful at foreign policy after a rough start. Far more successful than the administration of the past eight years. Let him have his chance to trumpet it, and pass the baton to Obama to carry on the Clinton approach to foreign policy that was abandoned since the millenium to the great harm of this country.
It's not a slight, its an incredible opportunity to remind people that its not just about today's economic dip, which will probably find some temporary relief before election day just like the gas prices dropped just before election in 2004. A crucial message of the Democratic party is that Republicans have fundamentally undermined our military power and the crucial moral authority that supports it in the occupation of Iraq. Parent
But there is a plus. Look at what Bill accomplished for his charity after he quit stumping for Hil. And then there was his Africa trip. And Hil's been bustin' butt since she suspended also. Busy on a few issues that concern us all. So maybe we should let little league continue while the adults get some work done ;) Parent
So I'm still left not able to trust Obama, after how he has voted and what he has said on other issues that matter to me.
But the economy matters a lot to me in my struggling state. Ah well, my vote won't matter here, anyway. Parent
Other than that, I have only the polls you have.
Of course, I also have a lifetime raised and spent in politics here that tells me that if the polls are correct, a spaceship has come down and replaced all of the non-Milwaukeeans and especially the Waukeshans with pod people who now have no qualms about black and brown people whatsoever, not that any of them actually are allowed to live anywhere else in Wisconsin. And therefore, all of my city's problems will be solved as generosity replaces racist mean-spiritedness and funding flows to our schools and other badly slashed-back social services.
But whadda I know. Hope. Change. Here? Sure. Parent
The decision has been made. Damon's batting clean-up. The slot is taken. Parent
PS: And that was Chicago too! I just realized that! Hmm . . . Parent
CNN assures that instead of on Wednesday, Hillary will release her delegates tomorrow! I guess they are really getting nervous. They probably have had to face facts: many of us are not drinking the Kool-aid, nor are going to get on that pony ride. NO WAY, NO HOW!!!
I think they saw Obama as some kind of savior, a very liberal messiah. Plus they have to support anyone who is black, so no one can accuse them of being racist, or some such silly thing. Also, they liked his elitism. They aspire to be snooty Harvard graduates who sound sooooo smart.
They simply fell in love with him, and can't bring themselves to face the fact that they fell in love with someone they didn't really know. Don't we all hate when that happens?
Now they must continue to defend their choice, or look like the fools that they are. Parent
That's all. No journalistic integrity involved. I think the last shreds of journalistic integrity at just about any of the msm were boxed up and sent off to archives years ago, for media scholars of the future to unravel the reasons for the demise of decency and even a half-decent job of reporting sometime in the late 20th century.
Let that be known as the Jurassic Age of Journalism. Parent
Full disclosure: my politics are not what you would call left-wing or pro-Dem. Based on what I have seen, though, I know you'll welcome me just the same.
Kudos, for putting together (and contributing to) a site that both encourages and challenges.
Welcome. Parent
Personally, it does look like a move of desperation after seeing that there was no Bounce for Biden (that sounds like a carnival ride...ew!). Too little too late, I'm thinking.
The more the media and the Obama camp push people to drop everyone and everything to worship at the altar of the One for no reason other than the fact that he's Barack Obama, the less we're likely to do it. They just don't get it. Parent
Well, it could have been worse...he could have texted them. Parent
Axelrod also said that Obama respects Clinton and will listen to her advice during the campaign. "He has a high regard for Senator Clinton . She's going to be an important voice in this campaign. She's going to be an important voice in moving this country forward in the next administration."
"He has a high regard for Senator Clinton . She's going to be an important voice in this campaign. She's going to be an important voice in moving this country forward in the next administration."
We've seen that high regard so often in the last 9 months, haven't we? Parent
What a crock.
Finally, Obama attended a Lutheran church in Eau Claire today. Not exactly evangelical, but probably qualifies as middle class. Parent
And a lot of 'em won't talk (aka witness at) a lot of the other kinds of Lut'rans. (that's the Up Nort' pronunciation.) So, frankly, there's not a lot of other choices in churches to go to dere, ain'a.
If in Eau Claire proper, probably middle-class. College town. If outside it, some pockets of desperate poverty amid semi-Twin Cities spillover prosperity -- but iffy these days, as the second-home boom that made Up Nort' prosper is now as passe as a Favre jersey.
I'm betting he stayed in town. Hope he got the full treatment and had to head down to the basement to partake in "a dish to pass." Parent
Yum. Parent
Or, in that corner of northwestern Wisconsin, shredded baggies. That's rutabaga to the rest of you. The rutabaga capital of the world is there.
And, of course, the annual baggie parade culminates in the crowning of the fortunate young thing picked for her pulchitrude to be Miss Baggy.
I do not make this up. I could not make this up. Parent
Obama's appearance there is the third story. It was beat out by the big news of the day there -- stuff about district schools and something else that did not even lodge in my memory bank.
That's about how much it mattered in northwestern Wisconsin. But the Lut'rans thought he was real nice. And he knew better than to sit in the front row, which would be so untoward and not at all the Lut'ran, self-effacing thing to do. He sat in the fourth-row pew.
You now are entirely up-to-date on the news of the day in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Parent
This is the blurb:
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Claire McCaskill will speak about the values of the Democratic Party and the efforts to take America in a New Direction and to reach out to all voters, in particular new voters, independents and Republicans to get the country moving in the right direction again at this critical time; nightly theme will be "One Nation." (Source DNC)
What I make out of that is the non partisan rhetoric, the change message, the compromise, the no Democrat/no Republican party. I am not sure I agree with that. I like being a partisan Democrat but I admit I am the "old" Democratic party.
What the heck is wrong with these people?!! Republicans aren't going to help them win, but democrats might, if they appeal them. They need to convince US, the democrats, to vote for them, before they even think about recruiting republicans and independents.
Did ANY of these dopes take the basic Politics 101 class? There sure isn't any evidence of that. Parent
What's wrong with the Democrat Party??!! They have freakin' flipped their lid this year!!!!! Parent
He has high hope. He has high hope, high apple pie in the sky hope. Parent
Remember when Brazill said that the Party wants to rid: " the old coalition. A new Democratic coalition is younger. It is more urban, as well as suburban, and we don't have to just rely on white blue collar voters and Hispanics. We need to look at the Democratic Party, expand the party, expand the base and not throw out the baby with the bathwater."
Maybe she wrote the speech. Parent
Feels like a game of hot potato, where no one wants to clean up BushCo's mess. Except Hillary, bless her heart. Parent
The book to be written on this campaign is welcome to a title never used by myself and a friend about an institution where we both worked that has a record of more than a century of never quite closing but never quite making it past the second tier, either.
The title: Struggling Toward Mediocrity. Parent
Or, as BTD suggested a while back:
Playing to Lose Parent
Is that what this skewer is for? ;-) Parent
Not only that, I'm really bad with names so I hardly ever know who anyone is unless they are a huge, huge name like Brad Pitt or Ray Charles or Bob Eubanks. :)
I live in LA and used to work in the entertainment industry so this has proven to be quite funny at times. Parent
Most of the top men in the campaign, except for Dean, in my opinion) seem to like and respect the women they are married to and seem to be fine fathers. Clinton was a cad but they seemed to have worked it out and they raised an exceptional daughter; Obamas seems to have a partnership and he seems like a great dad; Biden seems to be a decent father and is proud of his children and grandchildren. Dean, well he left his wife in Vermont to practice medicine and I haven't heard about her since. Parent
This the the 2nd time you've posted this, so it appears that you are trying to make it an issue. It's not. It is a personal attack, plain and simple. Parent
as for bill, without drawing too too many corollaries and false analogies, because it is something i watched recently, i think about this movie called "The Piano" and I consider the possibility that there are many ways to disrespect a woman and that a man who holds true to the letter of his marriage vows and respects his wife that way may still find other ways to keep a woman boarded up inside the house and clip her wings.
but yes. he was a cad. Parent
He spoke of what he called "the moral and spiritual pain" felt by many people because of what he termed "disregard for the lives of the unborn."
And this is the party that's trying to use Roe as a scare tactic?
May it rest in peace. But somehow, I doubt it. Parent
Life imitates art, yet again. Parent
I'm guessing the Clinton's are amazingly frustrated right now. Thinking hey, we can help you get elected. Let us talk about the economy. Listen to our ideas about campaigning. Etc. But noooo.
Oh well. Hopefully the dem congress will get a spine and block some of McCain's crazier ideas.
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I think that Obama won't have to do a thing like that to create a thud like that. From the photo I saw of the stage, that will do it all by itself.
I give it a point that will disappear fast, because McCain makes his VP pick the next day. If it's an interesting one, the heavens will open in hallelujahs for something to enliven September.
And then we can hope for gaffes, any gaffes, to get us through what has become quite a slog to get to election day and get this awful year behind us. Parent
Of course, water is wet! Is this another position he plans to waffle on? What does he mean by "Believes water is wet"? Because, you know, the next time around he will say "As I have always said, water is NOT wet!" Parent
Keith Olbermann will make Hillary Clinton the worst person of the week for saying 3 words and he'll belch out another Special Comment invoking poor Edward R. Murrow again. Someone on the usual blogs will invoke "Whitewater" and someone else will make this her "Water-gate."
Meanwhile, Fox News will reveal that Ronald Reagan was in fact the first politician to wisely proclaim that water is wet and that the Democrats have always been anti-water.
John McCain's campaign will insist that he's always known that water is wet, especially since he had to endure the Chinese water torture when he was a POW.
The Obama campaign, when not floating the idea of a major speech on wetness, either in front of the Reflecting Pool at the Washington Monument, or at the White Water Amusement Park in Branson, MS, will counter the McCain campaign by insisting that McCain doesn't know that water is wet because he doesn't know how many pools he has anymore than he knows how many houses he has. The usual suspects will think this is a brilliant attack on McCain.
Those of us at TL will be laughing it up, after knocking ourselves silly hitting our heads against the wall. Parent
It became the lead story on all the news channels and cause for him to be denounced as a racist by Prima Donna B., who muttered about "blood in the water in the streets of Denver." And Eugene Robinson could only agree that Bill was a racist, because of the Bradley effect, which he thinks was named for Bill Bradley, who also has the name Bill.
And Jesse Jackson the Junior noted that Hillary Clinton didn't cry for the water over the levees, and she's a racist anyway because she has hewn to Bill Clinton as a woman ought to do and all.
And Howard Dean would have wrung his hands about it, but he didn't know it was happening, because he never watches tv. Not for years now. He is stunned to hear that it's in new-fangled color and will have to see that, as soon as he is done doing a heckuva job, Howie, in running this party.
Btw, I do kudo you for capturing so well, though, the thoughts from Teh One on the need for a national discourse on water. I take this as his support for the new Great Lakes Compact, which will preserve the wetness of the five lakes bordering eight states of the fifty-eight plus Canada -- unless it has anything to do with NAFTA, which is going to change or not be changed, depending.
As he has repeatedly said, because no one has done more for water than Obama. No one. Parent
Once again, Charleton Heston will part the Red Sea, then Obama will proclaim "Water is wet."
Nancy Pelosi will be shown stating "No one knows more about wetness than Barrack!"
Joe Biden will say "Water? You mean that stuff they put on the golf courses at night?"
And the three Obama supporters will say:
Supporter 1: I get wet when Obama talks about wetness. I can feel what he's saying...
Supperter 2: His eyes are amazing, like cool pools of deep water...
Supporter 3: He makes me want to take a shower, which is what water is all about.
Cut to Barack Obama: I've always believed, even as a young child living with my Kansas-born mother in Hawaii, that water was wet.
Voiceover: Water is wet, but is Barack Obama ready to lead? Parent
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I need to get to Denver. After the convention that is. Parent
Will Obama praise the Clinton economy? Will Obama himself praise Hillary Clinton - one sentence? Two? A paragraph? A minute? More? What will be the most over used phrase of the convention? The most clueless? Will Obama praise Reagan? Will Al Gore be there? Speak? Will there be rioting in the streets? Who? Which bloggers will provide the best coverage? Will any speaker will get booed?
Drinking game: One sip every time Obama mentions a family member.
I also believe we'll be hearing "Scranton" and "Catholic" quite often, along with "Kansas," "heartland of America," "strong women."
The code words: "Hope, unity, change" have all been used to death but I'm sure they'll add some new ones. I think "Trust" might be among them.
Anybody got a copy of all of Deval Patrick's speeches? I'm sure we'd find some clues in those... Parent
At least that's some of what I hope.... Parent
Senator Clinton will speak of her causes, and agree with Obama about the importance of the federal government being balanced across the three (not four!) branches of government, and will stake her claim to contribute all she can in the Senate (without outright indicating that she wishes to become Senate leader). She will say that, despite the difficulties that have existed within the Democratic party this year, and the mistakes that were made in the contest for nomination, she is a Democrat and bears no ill feelings about the highly competitive and sometimes cutthroat game that is politics. She will reveal that she did not seek the VP position and asked not to be vetted unless the Obama camp felt that it was essential to winning that she be asked to take on that role, a role that provides her less opportunity to contribute than the possible role ahead of her in the Senate. She will encourage her supporters to make their own decisions of conscience, reminding them of some of the differences between Democrats and Republicans on the crucial issues facing the country.
Vice-President and Senator Al Gore will speak and say that although he minimized his connection with President Clinton during his own campaign, it was a mistake to have done so, and would have been a mistake to have made any other decisions that did not honor the whole of the Democratic Party.
President Clinton will identify the great Democratic themes related to foreign policy and defense, tying the issue of making wise decisions in these areas to regaining a strong economy. Biden will remind us that he wishes to serve in this role, but has no interest or intention in attempting to pursue the Presidency in eight years, and that he hopes that Senator Clinton will be willing to take that role in 2016.
Obama will eventually name several individuals to the key roles that they will play in the administration - including Clark as Secretary of Defense, etc. etc.
Thanks for playing along in advance.
sentence a few years out in six to twelve months. Parent
Landolph, you missed my point. I was already aware that someone who served in the military during Vietnam probably was familiar with a gun. My point was the DNC dressed him up in duck hunting garb and THAT made the hunting set here in SW Va laugh themselves silly at the smell of pander(and lordy can they sniff out some pander).
McCain camp lashes 'outrageous' Madonna Sun Aug 24, 8:44 PM ET McCain campaign spokesman Tucker Bounds angrily condemned the segment of Madonna's concert in Cardiff on Saturday that appeared to draw a comparison between McCain, Hitler and Zimbabwean strongman Robert Mugabe. "The comparisons are outrageous, unacceptable and crudely divisive all at the same time," Bounds said in a statement reported by Fox News. "It clearly shows that when it comes to supporting Barack Obama, his fellow worldwide celebrities refuse to consider any smear or attack off limits."