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Michelle Obama's Big Night

Nancy Pelosi (booo! hisss!) comes on a few minutes. But the night belongs to Michelle Obama. She comes on at 10 after a biographical film and videotaped introduction from her mother. I hope she does great. I like her a lot.

This is a Convention Open Thread.

9:08 pm - Ted Kennedy is in the house reports CNN's John King. Maybe the first excitement of the night. David Gergen makes a good point, there has been absolutely nothing particularly interesting or effective so far in this night of the Convention, at least on television.

9:18 pm - Caroline Kennedy introducing the Ted Kennedy segment. To put it kindly, she is not a skilled speaker. On the other hand, loving the video, except too much John Kerry in it.

9:30 pm - Here's Senator Kennedy. Biggest roar of the night. Well deserved. He is a giant.

By Big Tent Democrat, speaking for me only

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    Wolf is very proud (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:10:47 PM EST
    that CNN is the only news org that's "anchoring from the floor." Is there anyone in the world who cares that he and Anderson have to wear silly headsets?

    Gotta tell ya (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:11:39 PM EST
    I have warmed up quite a bit to Michelle Obama since she stopped talking about the Clintons, which suggests to me that it was a politically wise move.

    Because I just can't resist, here is a reality-based assessment of Michelle Obama that I saw earlier today.

    I think you're missing Michelle's role and her uniqueness.  She is incredibly grounded.  Remarkably so.  She keeps Barack not just down to earth but down to the neighborhood so to speak.  Down to the everyday world that most of us live in.  Yes she is brilliant, yes she is accomplished, but she will also tell you she is nothing special and it is that realization that we need so deeply in our First Family.

    My, my.

    Not sure she's so grounded (5.00 / 3) (#116)
    by andrys on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:08:26 PM EST
    She's obviously a great mother though.  The daughters are just beautiful kids (expressions, demeanor, manner).

    However, Michelle - there's a side of her that's on Youtube
    that's all over Repub boards and is said will be emphasized in the post-convention time in clips if needed.

      The last one was a North Carolina talk to mostly women,
    in which she said that she understands, 'they keep raising the bar on you,' she told them.  Then she illustrated this with Obama raising a lot of money it had been thought to be too dificult.  Then he had to win this state.  That wasn't enough, she said, then he had to win South Carolina.  But that wasn't enough either. They keep raising the bar.  He had to win another state and another state.  (As if this were unusual for the usual candidates.) It's on youtube.

       The longer one is from UCLA in February.  McCain 527's will likely show videoclips of Michelle Obama's speech portions at UCLA (transcripts are all over the usual Republican sites).  I agree with some of her analysis but not with the solution she promises !

    Excerpts from her UCLA speech in 4 parts


      "Barack Will Never Allow You to Go Back to Your Lives as Usual."

        "In 2008, we are still a nation that is too divided. We
    live in isolation, and because of that isolation, we fear one another. We don't know our neighbors, we don't talk, we believe our pain is our own. We don't realize that the struggles and challenges of all of us are the same. We are too isolated. And we are still a nation that is still too cynical. We look at it as "them" and "they" as opposed to "us". We don't engage because we are still too cynical.

     ... Americans are not in debt because they live frivolously
    but because someone got sick.  ...

        And things have gotten progressively worse throughout my
    lifetime, through Democratic and Republican administrations, it hasn't gotten better for regular folks. ....

        [Note they always include Bill Clinton's administrations  
         in describing the horrors, and it's not true - stats    
         show things improved during his 8 years.]

        We have lost the understanding that in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another -- that we cannot measure the greatness of our society by the strongest and richest of us, but we have to measure our greatness by the least of these. That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done.

      That is why I am here, because Barack Obama is the only person in this who understands that. That before we can work on the problems, we have to fix our souls.
      Our souls are broken in this nation."

        "Barack Obama will require you to work. He is going to demand that you shed your cynicism. That you put down your divisions. That you come out of your isolation, that you move out of your comfort zones. That you push yourselves to be better. And that you engage.

        Barack will never allow you to go back to your lives as usual, uninvolved, uninformed."
        . . .

    (I don't think this kind of talk would help him.)

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    "Down to the neighborhood"? (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:13:30 PM EST
    So to speak! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:14:50 PM EST
    By the way, I am most certainly cherry-picking here, as this is a commentor who used to insist that David Shuster was exactly right about Chelsea.  So it is reasonable to inquire as to the flavor of the Kool-Aid.

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    I'm confused... (5.00 / 5) (#46)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:32:17 PM EST
    If they win, will they move the White House to Chicago too?  

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    Well (5.00 / 5) (#125)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:12:15 PM EST
    It would be more centrally located, which is a plus.  Also, there wouldn't be all those Washington politicians and Washington lobbyists and all those other people who make Washington uniquely icky.

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    Oh! And they could share space with the DNC! (none / 0) (#160)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:25:32 PM EST
    That'll help keep the costs down!  

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    Unlike (none / 0) (#161)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:25:33 PM EST
    Chicago politicians, who are always a delight and delightful!

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    It would be less embarrasing (none / 0) (#193)
    by samtaylor2 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:48:37 PM EST
    If your nations capital was not in a place of permanant disenfranchisement

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    Thanks for the open thread.... (5.00 / 7) (#3)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:12:12 PM EST
    ...let me know when Nancy is done so I can change the channel back to the convention.

    Yep...can't stand to look at Pelosi... (5.00 / 10) (#29)
    by Aqua Blue on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:24:18 PM EST
    I was so proud of her when she was first named speaker.  Not any more.

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    C-span (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:12:37 PM EST
    keeps my blood pressure in check.  

    Nice suit, Nancy. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:14:12 PM EST
    Yes, the dem party does want their (5.00 / 5) (#21)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:22:05 PM EST
    backstabbers well dressed...

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    Not watching works better. ;-) (5.00 / 3) (#15)
    by themomcat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:19:23 PM EST
    I just read that Nancy Pelosi (5.00 / 11) (#8)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:13:52 PM EST
    has advised Clinton supporters to "avoid victim politics."  
    LINK
    She and David Sirota must be on the same team, working madly to alienate every Clinton supporter on the planet.

    Hey Nancy (5.00 / 16) (#14)
    by hitchhiker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:17:33 PM EST
    My daughter's boyfriend is scheduled to leave for Iraq in 6 weeks.  How about you avoid doing anything else at all until you do what we made you speaker for?

    Yes, that would include offering patronizing advice to people who expected one heck of a lot more from you.

    Victim politics, my a$$

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    Not good (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:22:15 PM EST
    But I'll give her a pass because she can not speak English very well, witness her speech tonight.

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    You are merciless (5.00 / 4) (#30)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:24:25 PM EST
    But Nancy is the embodiment of the Peter Principle IMO.

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    Best laugh of the night (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by suki on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:25:15 PM EST
    It's that pasted on smile - in advance of any need (5.00 / 1) (#129)
    by andrys on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:14:03 PM EST
    And the eyes that don't cooperate in that smile...

    And the woodenness of it all!  Please, may we have another leader?  Any gender or variation thereof will be fine.

    She needs to encourage Barack to lead, instead of coddling him.  Clinton strengthened Barack and helped him build up structures in every state.  Nancy must treat him as a very capable adult and able to cope with dissent so that he can show he can handle it with aplomb.  

      No victim politics please, Nancy !

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    I'm going to take her advice (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:29:14 PM EST
    but I wish she would take it also.  She seems to think her "chosen candidate" is a victim too.  

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    Wouldn't that be better advice for the Obama (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by esmense on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:56 PM EST
    campaign?

    Lecturing potential voters about how they should conduct themselves doesn't earn you any votes. Its the vote seekers' conduct that she and her party need to be concerned with -- after all, it is their conduct that is going to win or lose votes and determine her party's success or failure.

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    Nancy Nepotism Pelosi lecuring on victimhood (5.00 / 1) (#140)
    by catfish on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:17:43 PM EST
    OK - she was born into the Mayor of Baltimore's family, met JFK as a teenager because of family connections, married a rich dude, didn't have to work, and then entered politics by hosting fundraisers at her San Francisco mansion.

    Oh and she doesn't notice sexism.

    Party of the people woohoo!

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    Compare and contrast... (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:14:40 PM EST
    Nancy and Hillary...( the winner is?)

    When Hillary spoke (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:20:50 PM EST
     she was the only Dem that did not make me nervous that they would be mumbling and making mistakes.  
    Nancy...stop, you are killing me.

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    Frankly, I don't care for either one of (5.00 / 5) (#12)
    by PssttCmere08 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:15:16 PM EST
    the obama's.  So far, they come off as just too opportunistic and self-absorbed for my taste.  And other than michelle worrying about how she is going to pay for her daughter's summer camp, swim lessons and dance lessons, do you think she has given much thought as to how she might have a positive impact on us....just saying.  

    I seem to remember her saying (5.00 / 9) (#19)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:20:52 PM EST
    something about Hillary and Bill and the fact that he cheated making Hillary unfit to occupy the WH. After that I decided that I didn't like Michelle very much. I greatly dislike people who feel they have all the answers about other people's relationships.

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    The quote was (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by janarchy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:29:24 PM EST
    "If you can't take care of your own house, you can't take care of the White House."

    Since we are not allowed to make personal comments about the Obamas here, I'll leave it at that.

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    The comment was disgusting (5.00 / 10) (#51)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:33:47 PM EST
    There I didn't personally insult the Obama family but I made myself completely clear about how I feel about Michelle. Here's to hoping someday she has to deal with public humiliation and does it with half as much grace as Senator Clinton did.

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    Oh I wasn't saying you were. (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by janarchy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:50:20 PM EST
    Hardly. Just censoring myself since I respect Jeralyn and want to abide by her rules. It's just difficult some times. I don't like Michelle Obama which surprises many friends of mine since they seem to think that as a feminist, I should. Unlike Hillary, of course since they all suffer from CDS.

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    Yes, I guess I don't (5.00 / 3) (#107)
    by frankly0 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:03:26 PM EST
    understand why so many people are now taking something of a shine to Michelle Obama, given some of her obviously unguarded comments.

    Look, don't people get that fundamentally Michelle is now being carefully prepared and her image very deliberately controlled and manipulated so that the average voter will respond to her in a specifically targeted way?

    That is always the problem with politicians, and the family of politicians, and celebrities more generally: all one is usually allowed to see is that which is permitted by their PR people. It may bear little or no resemblance to the actual person underneath.

    That is exactly why one looks very carefully at the moments that are unscripted.

    And I think it's worth bearing in mind that personality really doesn't change, especially at the age of 40 or more. The issue is: what is the underlying personality? One can of course be mistaken about what that personality really is, because of a too limited exposure to the person.

    Yet some individual instances of certain behaviors really do tell one very much about a personality. If someone engages in major zingers toward a competitor in a very public venue, that tells one something very definite and inherent about that personality.

    Why people might pay more attention to the scripted than the unscripted moments in evaluating the personality of a public figure is beyond my rational understanding.

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    Here's the full quote (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by CCinNC on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:04:55 PM EST
    Our view was that, if you can't run your own house, you certainly can't run the White House. So, so we've adjusted our schedules to make sure that our girls are first, so while he's traveling around, I do day trips. That means I get up in the morning, I get the girls ready, I get them off, I go and do trips, I'm home before bedtime.


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    NOPE. (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:09:51 PM EST
    In this video from here in Chicago she talks about role-modeling what good families look like and how if you can't run your own house you can't run the white house. Then she grins and the crowd goes wild.

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    Yes, at least two times she (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:16:05 PM EST
    made the crack. One time questionably about Hillary the second time definitely about Hillary.

    I know the last time I linked this video you didn't agree that it was about Hillary but I do and lets just leave it at that ;0)

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    Thanks for the vid LV... (5.00 / 0) (#138)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:16:28 PM EST
    Context is soooo important.

    In context, it's pretty clear: Michelle's comments were a dog whistle.

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    I do like Michelle (none / 0) (#187)
    by CCinNC on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39:52 PM EST
    I linked to a transcript from ABC News, the first thing a google search pulled up. Sorry, I had not seen the video.

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    I suggest you look at the video pointed to in the (5.00 / 3) (#131)
    by frankly0 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:14:48 PM EST
    nearby post of Michelle Obama's speech, in its context.

    I defy you to listen to that without concluding that she was taking a swipe at Hillary.

    I mean, she even pauses and repeats, "Can't do it" after she utters the swipe. Does any sentient being not realize what she's getting at?

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    In the video I linked (5.00 / 2) (#144)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:19:36 PM EST
    she's getting at Hillary. The person who was sentient enough to capture, record and upload the video got what she was saying. So did the news director who chose that SNIPPET of all that she could have possibly have said that day to air on the news.

    The only people who refuse to accept what everyone else can see are the Obama supporters. If that crack had not been about Hillary it would not have made the news broadcast and those women would not have been hooting and hollaring after the crack.

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    She didn't say that. (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by indy in sc on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 09:18:50 PM EST
    I've seen it debunked here before.  You're talking about the "if you can't run your home, you can't run the whitehouse" comment.  She was talking about her own home.  

    Indeed, as Media Matters has noted, after stating, "Our view is that if you can't run your own house, you certainly can't run the White House," Michelle Obama continued: "[S]o we've adjusted our schedules to make sure that our girls are first, so while he's [Barack Obama] traveling around, I do day trips" in order to be "home before bedtime."


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    I'm happy to say (5.00 / 13) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:19:51 PM EST
    Nancy Pelosi is absolutely atrocious.

    What a terrible speaker.

    It's embarrassing.

    I am enjoying how bad she is.

    She does appear to have a crush on (5.00 / 4) (#23)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:22:36 PM EST
    Obama.  

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    Or something. Not sure what. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:23:57 PM EST
    She's the original Obama Girl. (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:39:51 PM EST
    Perhaps they should have let her lipsync to her pretaped speech tonight?  

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    As a Buddhist... (none / 0) (#31)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:24:46 PM EST
    CNN is right to upstage her with (5.00 / 5) (#24)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:23:19 PM EST
    Carville and Kaine.

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    She is bad with interviews (none / 0) (#20)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:21:35 PM EST
    as well.  But she is a fund raiser.

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    Heh (5.00 / 8) (#25)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:23:39 PM EST
    I'm sure that's why we have that great FISA legislation and the craptacular AT&T gift bags.

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    Heh (none / 0) (#177)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:36:28 PM EST
    Wasn't going to watch her speech.  Now I kinda want to.

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    Barack Obama is right and John McCain (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:20:30 PM EST
    s wrong on Iraq War.  Where does this leave Joe Biden?

    I was wondering that also (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:23:41 PM EST
    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:36:27 PM EST
    Thanks goodness Biden is the scud missile destroying the I told you so-ness of the Democratic Party.

    Which I think is a good thing.

    Unfortunately, I just hope no one ever asks Biden if Obama thinks Biden has the judgment to be president?

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    Don't worry (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:43:26 PM EST
    the GOP will ask that question.

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    At this point (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by themomcat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:28:16 PM EST
    it really doesn't matter who was right or wrong. And by the way, I don't see where Obama was any more "right" on Iraq considering he voted in lock step with Bush's war funding. What I want to know is, since the Iraqi's want us out of their country by 2011, when are we going to start withdrawing out troops? Joe Biden is not going to be the President.

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    Joe Biden (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:42:15 PM EST
    was picked to "take one for the team".

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    An Obama attack dog (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:45:58 PM EST
    not the man with the policy we are voting for.

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    i know that's what they say (none / 0) (#93)
    by Edgar08 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:56:09 PM EST
    but if it's true and obama isn't really gonna listen to biden on foriegn policy, then I'm back to where I was a week or so ago as far as voting for Obama is concerned.


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    I kind of like Michelle. There, I said it. (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by Firewalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:23:56 PM EST


    I understand..... (5.00 / 9) (#36)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:25:59 PM EST
    ...apparently I was the only person who like Teresa Heinz Kerry. She made her husband more palatable to me.

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    I loved Teresa (5.00 / 6) (#38)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:28:53 PM EST
    You weren't alone. There is absolutely no reason the first lady should have to be some shrinking violet.

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    me too (5.00 / 1) (#156)
    by denise on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:24:24 PM EST
    I actually kind of liked THK too. (5.00 / 6) (#39)
    by Firewalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:29:02 PM EST
    No! I loved her too. I know many who did. (5.00 / 7) (#43)
    by Teresa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:31:00 PM EST
    We need more like her.

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    I adored Teresa! (5.00 / 5) (#54)
    by kempis on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:35:26 PM EST
    And she's actually well-respected in Western PA. She and the Heinz Foundation have done remarkable things for the communities here. She may be richer than sin, but she shares and she works hard to give everyone around her a hand up. Great lady.

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    No (5.00 / 3) (#64)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:45:06 PM EST
    you weren't. I loved her too. I thought she was a breath of fresh air. I thought it was especially nice the way she helped Laura Bush after she was upset after the first presidential debate.

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    I like her too (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:00 PM EST
    She's got an attitude, no question. Indeed, she's a bit of a diva. A friend who worked for Senator Heinz in the 1980s says that TH was very particular about the office decoration. . .

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    Nancy gaffed on Obama's name... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:25:01 PM EST
    She meant to say "John McCain" but said "Barack Obama" instead.

    The context: "The Republicans say that Barack Obama...Republicans say that John McCain has experience".

    Very telling, how so many of Obama's supporters can't get his name right when they're extolling his virtues. i.e. Biden thinks he's "Barack Amer[ica]".

    Was funny when Obama introduced (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Aqua Blue on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:33:11 PM EST
    Biden as the next President ...freudian slip.

    Biden would make a better President.  

    BUT, I am voting Democrat...no matter what.

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    As long as nobody accidentally calls him, you know (none / 0) (#47)
    by Firewalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:32:21 PM EST
    We will leave the convention (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:25:13 PM EST
    unified and ORGANIZED.  Virgos all.

    Speak for yourself, kimosabe (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by janarchy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:31:45 PM EST
    I'm a Pisces. We're never organized and Virgos drive us nuts.

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    Libras are into justice (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by cawaltz on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:35:19 PM EST
    and I'm thinking unity ain't justice for what occured this primary cycle. ;)

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    Libras are my bestest friends (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:59:43 PM EST
    we just feed on each other, if a Leo shows up the three of us will eventually end up in jail and ticked about it because we were completely undeserving.  The judge usually believes us too because the Libra lines it all out, the Leo looks terrific and I just want everyone to get along so we can have a great party......we were obviously wrongly accused.

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    I'm a Virgo, married to a Libra, (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:10:28 PM EST
    with one Libra daughter and one Gemini daughter...it's an interesting mix, for sure.

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    I wish that I had had such a sister (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:12:41 PM EST
    You must be tired though :)

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    cawaltz (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Bluesage on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:02:07 PM EST
    I think all Libras agree with you there.  Justice is a big deal. We don't mind that justice is blind, just concerned that all the guide dogs are lawyers.  In this case justice was blind, deaf and dumb.

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    Oops! (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Bluesage on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:03:17 PM EST
    Should have given credit to the saying.  Frank & Ernest from the funnies.  lol

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    I'm a disorganized Virgo, obviously (5.00 / 2) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:35:51 PM EST
    babies switched at birth.

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    Oh, you poor thing... I'm a Virgo (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:18 PM EST
    who gets a little nutsy when things are not organized.  It's a curse sometimes, ya know?

    We like to be in control at all times; it's a hard thing to let go of.

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    I'm a Gemini (5.00 / 3) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:13 PM EST
    I follow Virgos around to know who I'm supposed to be today.

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    Well, neener neener (none / 0) (#206)
    by Lou Grinzo on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 09:13:03 PM EST
    On my birthday--today--I give myself permission to drive people nuts.

    So there.

    By the way, other people born on this date include Elvis Costello, Sean Connery, Gene Simmons, and Tom Skerrit.  Tell me that's not a group you'd want to do flaming shots with.


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    I'm a Gemini (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Radiowalla on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:14 PM EST
    and I think we will be divided.

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    I'm a Scorpio (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by dissenter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:51:57 PM EST
    I don't forget lol

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    I'm a Virgo (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by themomcat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:05:39 PM EST
    with Scorpio rising. That makes me very well organized with a stinger. ;-)
    ....

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    Like Never (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:27 PM EST
    an elephant with a stinger.

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    Hmm (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by zyx on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:29:52 PM EST
    I am apparently missing something.

    I think Michelle Obama is obnoxious.

    I like Teresa Heinz Kerry. I don't get it with Michelle.

    I'm voting Dem--never was going to do anything but, no matter who the nominee. But I'm unimpressed with him and I don't care anything about her.

    I don't know which Michelle (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by sleepwalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:36:18 PM EST
    I like least. The angry Michelle who thinks America is mean, the thoughtless Michelle who talks about $10,000 ballet lessons with women who can't afford sneakers, or the Michelle who tries to be "demure" like Laura Bush but channels Jackie O. It's like watching "Sybil".

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    Jim Clyburn continues to be a lying @ss (5.00 / 6) (#44)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:31:26 PM EST
    More Pollitico . . .:
    On Monday, Clyburn said he conducted himself "in a way that I am very proud of," throughout the primary season. The congressman said he never took sides and no one -- including his wife -- knew how he voted.

    "I never took a position in the primary, even in the South Carolina primary, I never took a position. ... I made no commitments to anybody," he said. "So if anybody got a problem with that, tough. This 68-year-old could care less about how anybody feels how I conducted myself, because I did it in an honorable way and I am proud of it."



    And that, as they say, is that! (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:33:37 PM EST
    I wonder (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by janarchy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:52:42 PM EST
    do people like Clyburn and Donna Brazile honestly believe the drivel they dish out to the masses, or do they just think everyone else is so stupid that they'll believe anything they're told?

    Clyburn is so full of horsesh!t, it's pouring out of every orifice.

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    I doubt anyone ever calls them on anything.... (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:55:33 PM EST
    ...to their faces so they think they are always right.

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    Not to mention (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by janarchy on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:56:37 PM EST
    what their questioners will be accused of if they dare raise the issue?

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    A little defensive ay? (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:56 PM EST
    Clyburn's reputation is in tatters now.

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    Ugh. (none / 0) (#49)
    by Firewalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:33:28 PM EST
    Did He (none / 0) (#178)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:37:09 PM EST
    just call his wife a moron?

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    She's grown some on me, too, I usually cut (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Teresa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:35:04 PM EST
    the families some slack because it is so personal for them. I'm still mad at her brother, though.

    Jesse Jackson Jr. gets a primetime speaking slot (5.00 / 7) (#65)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:45:16 PM EST
    but Charlie Rangel doesn't?

    Seriously, what's the matter with these people?

    I'm just sitting here hoping he doesn't (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Teresa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:48:27 PM EST
    tear up! :)

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    I really despise JJJr (5.00 / 5) (#70)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:10 PM EST
    So do I (5.00 / 2) (#96)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:57:47 PM EST
    He probably will be in the cabinet or head of some Dept too. Just can't stand him due to his mean rhetoric.

    And I hate the way he talked to his father,  And he's a Chicago politician.

    All the above

     

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    I suspect Powers will be showing back (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:01:06 PM EST
    up also. I'm sure Obama will surround himself with everyone who really p!ssed me of during the primaries. Jr seems to be a nasty piece of work.

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    I doubt (none / 0) (#188)
    by ccpup on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:40:59 PM EST
    a Junior Senator returning to work in the Senate in January 2009 will have much need for a Powers or a Jesse Jackson Jr.

    :-)

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    I just turned to it for a second and saw him (5.00 / 4) (#74)
    by bjorn on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:49 PM EST
    I can't believe it!  For me he is one of the most polarizing figures from the primary season.

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    My son (5.00 / 3) (#75)
    by zyx on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:50 PM EST
    who is young, but is a part-time intern for our Dem senator's local field office (and he's learning a lot) keeps shaking his head and saying "it's Amateur Hour".

    He cracks me up, my son--but this campaign (Amateur Hour) does not.

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    My gosh (5.00 / 4) (#168)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:28:26 PM EST
    Bill Schneider from CNN says:

    It's interesting -- this is Jesse Jackson Jr., who famously split with his father over Obama. Jesse Jackson Jr., like Obama, represents a new generation of African-American politicians. In many ways, this is his national debut. We are witnessing the passage of leadership to a new generation of American-Americans. This is a turning point in black politics.

    He is stressing the theme of unity. This new generation -- represented by Obama and Jesse Jackson Jr. -- they don't speak the language of racial grievances like Jesse Jackson Sr. and Al Sharpton. They speak a language of unity.

    Can you even believe that?  Look, I like Obama just fine, but if Jesse Jackson Jr. is the torchbearer for a new generation, he really needs to give it back.  "A language of unity"?

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    But Steve You Miss the Point (none / 0) (#194)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:48:53 PM EST
    Schneider is praising Jr. and Obama for not speaking the language of black grievances.  Misogyny is perfectly okay.  The important part is not challenging the white men's privilege.   Now, I don't know if this describes Jr., but I'm not surprised to see a bunch of white men characterize and praise the new generation of black leadership as getting over racial grievances.  It's in their best interests to encourage this.  If African Americans will be polite enough not to mention racial inequality, we can all go about our business.  At least until the next Katrina hits and we all wring our hands over racial inequality and poverty for ten minutes before we move on to what country we need to bomb next.


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    The new politics (none / 0) (#67)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:46:53 PM EST
    I was hoping the story would be put aside and the party would be first.  Contrast.  

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    What's funny is . . . . (none / 0) (#78)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:50:01 PM EST
    I think he's a better speaker than Obama, lol!~ he's more real.

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    But he doesn't hold a candle to his dad. (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:53:55 PM EST
    Who also doesn't have a speaking spot (5.00 / 2) (#89)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:55:22 PM EST
    {sigh}

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    Smoother and more practiced (none / 0) (#81)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:51:30 PM EST
    I do not think he would be mistaken for a law professor.

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    and he doesn't do that pitchy thing (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:57:57 PM EST
    Obama does. That drives me bonkers. I also think JJJr has more conviction than Obama.I've gotten really good at tuning out the President. Guess I'll have to continue for another 4  :(

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    Not to be nit-picky, but... (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by bdub on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:48:40 PM EST
    I hate to get nit-picky... I really, really do. But I was just driving from my house to a library listening to NPR and I heard Ms. Pelosi's speech. Since this is a Colorado-based blog, I decided it would be worth posting here, because she got a pretty basic fact wrong. Yes, Katharine Lee Bates climbed Pikes Peak and was so inspired that she wrote America the Beautiful. But, Pikes Peak is one hour south of Denver in Colorado Springs... This wasn't really implied in her speech and I don't want her to feed the flames of the goon-fact checkers News Corp and Republican strategists tend to employ.  

    The only thing I really want to see (5.00 / 5) (#73)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:49:36 PM EST
    tonight is Ted Kennedy.  I for sure was not interested in Pelosi, and I could live a long time without listening to Jesse Jackson, Jr.  Clyburn is up tonight, too - and I can't go there.

    As for Michelle, bleah.  Just...bleah.

    Tonight I heard someone say about her that she actually likes to snuggle with her children...as opposed to what? Eating them?  She's a mother, for crying out loud - that's what mothers do.  There was just something about the breathlessness of that little tidbit that made me wonder if people have just taken leave of their senses altogether.

    PBS showed a couple of minutes of a town hall being led by Sherrod Brown on the economy.  It was so bad and boring that even PBS had to cut it short - to go to the dynamic duo of Shields and Brooks.

    I miss the Olympics.

    lool (none / 0) (#114)
    by Monda on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:06:22 PM EST
    I miss the Olympics too ...

    I'm laughing at that comment about the children.  
    Last night Fox news had one hour special on Obama.  (My husband is a republican, although registered independent,  so sometime I bump into fox) Anyway, they showed Michelle in an event introducing her husband.  And she said: Here is my man, here is my babies daddy, here is Barack Obama :D :D :D.  
    I couldn't help laughing ... a big change from recoiling everytime I hear them speak.

    Not PUMA here, but free minded, maybe hold my nose and vote ... or maybe not.  

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    Jesse Jackson Jr. (5.00 / 6) (#80)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:50:31 PM EST
    He's "sure Dr. King is looking down on us here in Denver".

    "On the day President Johnson submitted the Voting Rights Act to Congress...".

    Is he slighting Dr. King by mentioning Johnson's enacting of the legislation? Or does it only work that way when Hillary says it.

    Again, he's with Barack Obama having a "funny name". What is up with that?

    Good Lord. (5.00 / 3) (#105)
    by miguelito on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:02:53 PM EST
    The only people I ever hear talking about Obama's "funny" name is Obama and his top surrogates. News for you boys: NO ONE CARES.  You are the only ones that think anyone cares that he has a "funny" name. And he doesn't, btw. I've seen much "funnier" names in just one semester with a bunch of American kids in college.

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    In the David Maraniss WaPo piece on Obama's (5.00 / 1) (#199)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:52:02 PM EST
    childhood and the influence of HA on him, Mariness said that Barack Obama's friends at the U of HA said that Obama Sr. pronounced his first name with stress on the first syllable and that was pronounced "Bear-ick."  Just an intersting tidbit.

    Jr. decided to change the pronounciation, but Maraniss gives no reason for the change.

    The pronounciations as used by Jr's family and his father does explain why he got the nickname "Barry" as it comes directly out of the father's pronounciation.

    This blog has three links for bio info on Obama, with the first one going to the Maraniss piece (where you find a link for Maraniss's Q&A with readers), a detailed piece on his grandmother and her strong influence on his character, and a brief article about his youngest half-brother (pretty tragic).


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    I must say both Obama's mother and grandmother (none / 0) (#203)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:55:12 PM EST
    are shown in the two articles to be both strong, resilient women. Both did things which were unusual for women of their backgrounds and times.

    Very sad his mother died so young. Her cancer was misdiagnosed in Indonesia, alas.

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    They (none / 0) (#101)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:00:33 PM EST
    are extremely defensive about this stuff. We are going to have a night explaining how "Obama is just like you." I guess the polling tells them that this is a problem and I'm sure it is.

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    This is pathetic. (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:05:13 PM EST
    I think we know who he is. Half of us like him and half don't. It's not like the guy hasn't been bombarding us for the past year.

    What a mess.

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    the same story...over and over (none / 0) (#123)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:11:20 PM EST
    they just don't get it, the story is getting boring.  

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    It's horrible (none / 0) (#134)
    by dissenter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:15:49 PM EST
    Where is Michael Phelps! I want to be uplifted. I guess I will have to move on to Burn Notice reruns. This fiasco is really embarrassing. Can you imagine what the rest of the world thinks watching this on CNN International.

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    How sad is it to watch (5.00 / 2) (#99)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:59:57 PM EST
    Jimmy Carter on PBS having to offer up "community organizing" as a qualifier for being Prez?

    Just wait... (5.00 / 2) (#155)
    by Grace on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:24:11 PM EST
    It's that classic dumbing down of values.  

    A few years from now, it will be "block captain" and in 30 years, it will be "head of household."  

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    Thank for the LOL opportunity! n/t (none / 0) (#190)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:43:33 PM EST
    That was a sticky moment--then he had to say that (none / 0) (#189)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:42:42 PM EST
    he and Clinton had only been governors!

    I cringed. That was embarrassing for him and for the people he talked about. Even throwing BushBoy into the mix of governors was kind of sad.

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    I tuned him out after that. (none / 0) (#191)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:45:28 PM EST
    Did he really throw himself under the bus?

    Wow.

    I'm glad I missed it.

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    I wish they would (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:02:10 PM EST
    stop this and sit down and get on with it.

    David Gergen: This is boring (5.00 / 4) (#113)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:06:21 PM EST
    I agree.

    So I take it the early reviews aren't good. I (5.00 / 4) (#117)
    by Firewalker on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:09:45 PM EST
    still think that stage looks like it belongs on the set of a game show.

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    It's like a concert for squares (5.00 / 1) (#130)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:14:47 PM EST
    with no one in particular performing.

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    Ooh, and a countdown clock (5.00 / 2) (#135)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:15:54 PM EST
    "The convention continues"

    So, um, WTF were we just watching? They were saying that they didn't have enough time for Rangel????

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    I keep expecting to hear the announcer (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:16:16 PM EST
    say, "Michelle Obama...come ooooon dooowwwnnn!"

    The good thing about C-Span is no commentators to blather on, but the down side is - and thank God for the mute button - the music courtesy of the house band.

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    one Dollar Bob! (5.00 / 1) (#142)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:18:31 PM EST
    Fortunately...... (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:07:02 PM EST
    ...Project Runway is doing a drag queen fashion show. I may have trouble tearing myself away for Michelle's speech. Oh well, there's always YouTube.

    Stellaaa: he "organized tenants" !!!! (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:11:07 PM EST


    Yeah...right (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:15:09 PM EST
    no one has done more for housing ....

    (I am a disorganized Leo)

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    Opps: CNN shows video of David Gregory (NBC) (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:13:28 PM EST
    ON THE FLOOR. heh.

    Uh, *oops* (none / 0) (#128)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:13:52 PM EST
    Still Funny! (5.00 / 1) (#172)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:32:14 PM EST
    Stories..stories... (5.00 / 1) (#139)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:16:52 PM EST
    what am I , a toddler.  I am sick of stories.  This is looking like a Republican convention.  

    I have a bad feeling (5.00 / 1) (#143)
    by themomcat on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:19:33 PM EST
    that the Republican Convention might actually look better. ;-)

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    Or the Olympics (none / 0) (#197)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:50:48 PM EST
    Forget performance, it's all about narrative!

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    Obama changed Caroline's life?! (5.00 / 3) (#141)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:18:05 PM EST
    Give. Me. A. Break.

    Yeah...she got to give a speech (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM EST
    and she is boring.

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    She sounds like she's announcing the train times (5.00 / 2) (#151)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:21:41 PM EST
    Sort of a 5th grade (none / 0) (#171)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:31:14 PM EST
    speech style.  
    (did you start law school? )

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    Yup (none / 0) (#176)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:35:39 PM EST
    that was a bit overboard wasn't it? (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Teresa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:21:20 PM EST
    Just a tad . . . lol!~ (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:22:24 PM EST
    I'm Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by dissenter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:24:41 PM EST
    But I am literally laughing my a$$ off. That was just so bad. The man doesn't have one accomplishment but he has changed her life.

    Ok, I'm choking now.

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    C-Span (5.00 / 3) (#150)
    by Bluesage on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:21:38 PM EST
    Is helping somewhat but I can't take much more.  Nancy Pelosi is such a disappointment and I think Michelle Obama is possibly the most tactless woman in the public spotlight so I guess it's time to tune this out.  And I think it's possible that Caroline Kennedy has lost her mind.  I can't believe that she sees any positive comparison with Obama and her father who was a great man. It's really very sad for me to see and hear this.  

    Listening to Caroline is like (5.00 / 2) (#153)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:22:25 PM EST
    listening to a eulogy.

    I still wish I knew what Ted Kennedy sees in Obama.

    A Chance To Further Build (5.00 / 1) (#174)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:34:53 PM EST
    on the Kennedy/Camelot BS.  

    I like Ted Kennedy, but JFK was a middling President (maybe he would've been great had he lived, but that's an awful big maybe).

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    Are these people stupid? (5.00 / 2) (#154)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:23:24 PM EST
    Teddy and JOHN KERRY close in video to a SAILBOAT.

    A really, really big sailboat. (5.00 / 1) (#162)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:26:29 PM EST
    With one of the Kennedy's wearing (5.00 / 2) (#166)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:27:55 PM EST
    a big hope t-shirt.

    Stupid, Stupid, Stupid.

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    Wasn't that created by Ken Burns? (5.00 / 1) (#192)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:48:28 PM EST
    He's very provincial so I'm sure he thought it was great optics.

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    Yup, that's what they said (none / 0) (#201)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:52:34 PM EST
    Simple Answer to Simple Question (5.00 / 1) (#198)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:51:44 PM EST
    Yes.

    How else to explain they lost to George W. Bush - twice.

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    I'm not a big fan ... (5.00 / 3) (#157)
    by OrangeFur on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:24:41 PM EST
    ... of Michelle Obama. She's definitely said some things about Hillary Clinton that I don't appreciate, and a few other things that make me uneasy as well.

    Having said that, I do like that she's smart and speaks her mind, and I hope she keeps doing that. The attempted makeover earlier this summer when she talked about how it was fun to feel pretty was awful. Let the woman, and all women, be who they are, not who we think they should be.

    Yeah (5.00 / 1) (#204)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:58:45 PM EST
    that makeover was a dud. I guess they figured out that it didn't work because she disappeared soon.

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    It's all about the Kennedy's! (5.00 / 3) (#159)
    by OxyCon on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:25:25 PM EST
    Those Kennedy's sure are a bunch of egomaniacs! Why does it always have to be all about them?
    They are taking up all Of Barack's time. This is Barack's coronation! How dare them!
    /snark

    Health care is how I think of Ted Kennedy. (5.00 / 1) (#165)
    by Teresa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:27:28 PM EST
    Why did he choose the wrong plan to get behind?

    Also, is John Kerry lined up to speak yet? Thursday?

    When I think about Kerry reportedly (5.00 / 6) (#175)
    by Anne on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:35:12 PM EST
    saying of Hillary's health care plan that it was "Dead on Arrival," and then hear him talk about Kennedy and "President" Obama getting health care done, I could just cry.

    Oh, Teddy - if you wanted America to have health care, you bet on the wrong horse.

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    What great agenda does Obama have? (none / 0) (#182)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:38:01 PM EST
    That's the question Teddy is raising for me.

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    Don't ask cause he won't tell. (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39:03 PM EST
    Aw! (5.00 / 3) (#170)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:31:07 PM EST
    My little daughter started applauding when Ted Kennedy came on stage.  She's such a good little Democrat!

    And now (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by Steve M on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39:10 PM EST
    she is pointing out that Sen. Kennedy is wearing glasses, just like her daddy.  Well, she says something like "sass-sass."

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    Ted looks good, sounds really strong. (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:37:15 PM EST
    Why does he support Obama and not Clinton?

    Perhaps he's got some ego investment in retaining the KENNEDY family as America's great political dynasty.

    It was sad to see Teddy (5.00 / 2) (#195)
    by Coldblue on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:48:58 PM EST
    read a teleprompter.

    I guess his best times will remain a fond memory.

    Ted Kennedy (5.00 / 4) (#196)
    by Nan on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:49:36 PM EST
    It never ceased to amuse me that Obama supporters who trash Hillary Clinton for "destroying the party" praise Ted Kennedy as a loyal Democrat.

    Were these people around in 1980? Have they read history books?

    Ted Kennedy challenged the incumbent president of his own party. Received half the deleages as the incumbent president. Refused to concede. Took the fight to the convention. Had a floor fight, fully televised. Gave a tepid endorsement, if you can call it an endorsement. Refused to campaign for him.

    And yet Kennedy is treated as Democratic party royalty and Hillary is trashed non stop.

    Hillary came much closer to winning than Kennedy. Conceded four days after the primaries ended. Endorsed her opponent. Raised money for him. Campaigned for him.

    There is a sexist double standard.

    On PBS (5.00 / 3) (#200)
    by LatinoVoter on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:52:29 PM EST
    when Ted said that Obama would not commit our sons to dumb wars or something like that there was a quick shot to Biden looking like he was going to cry and I laughed out loud.

    And why are these clowns on PBS talking so much about Ted running and none of them are making the obvious comparisons to THIS primary and the treatment he got that Hillary did not.

    Kennedy (5.00 / 3) (#205)
    by Nan on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:59:31 PM EST
    For the same reason they put JFK on a pedestal while trashing Bill Clinton for womanizing.

    I mean JFK had hookers visiting him in the White House. He was sleeping with girlfriends of mob bosses. He slept with Marilyn Monroe.

    The double standard is unbelievable.

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    I Hope She Does Well, Too (3.00 / 2) (#4)
    by BDB on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:12:16 PM EST
    Don't care much for her husband, but the media coverage of her has been sexist, racist, and just plain awful.  She deserves an opportunity to speak directly to the American public without having to go through our so-called liberal media.

    Cheers for Hillary (none / 0) (#7)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:13:42 PM EST
    And Nancy does dress well.  

    Yes... (5.00 / 1) (#167)
    by weltec2 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:27:55 PM EST
    I wish they had handed out rotten tomatoes at the door... ANYthing rather than let her get away with standing up there complicitous as h31l in Whitehouse crimes and give a speech. It's a mockery of the Democratic Party.

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    Tim Kaine being interviewed on CNN (none / 0) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:17:31 PM EST
    he actually impresses me.

    Doesn't Jimmy Carter (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:37:13 PM EST
    rate prime time?

    Is this the Democratic Convention? (5.00 / 3) (#60)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:40:18 PM EST
    Certainly (none / 0) (#169)
    by weltec2 on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:29:06 PM EST
    I would think so.

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    Are there more (none / 0) (#90)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:55:26 PM EST
    AAs than usual in the audience? I don't recall it looking this diverse before.

    No the DNC delegates have..... (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Maria Garcia on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 07:56:48 PM EST
    ...been diverse for many, many years.

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    Where are the young people? (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:00:09 PM EST


    Remember (none / 0) (#109)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:04:49 PM EST
    they did not pick them as delegates, remember the county selections here in CA where they did not pick the kids?

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    Who was that woman who stood at the (none / 0) (#120)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:10:07 PM EST
    podium while the man spoke (I think he was from Indiana) and then they both exited stage left?  Weird.  

    Obama' communications rep (none / 0) (#133)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:15:30 PM EST
    can't say enough about Bill Clinton and Hillary.  Glowing comments.

    Are you kidding? (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by Nan on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:53:55 PM EST
    Who do you think fed the "Clintons are racist" talking points to the media?

    It was the Obama communications rep.

    They know they are losing Hillary supporters so now they pretend they didn't use the race card against a president of their own party.

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    Caroline Kennedy (none / 0) (#146)
    by MichaelGale on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:20:46 PM EST
    and more JFK comparisons.

    "He came along just as we needed.

    I never had anyone inspire me like people told me my father inspired them

    WEll someone has now! and his name is Barack Obama.

    Ok...I'm done."

    New Video from Hillary (none / 0) (#147)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:20:47 PM EST
    Behind the Scenes with Hillary in Denver, Day 1.

    I haven't watched, but it just showed up in my reader.

    Thanks :) (none / 0) (#164)
    by nycstray on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:26:58 PM EST
    Just watched a bit. All Obama.

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    Uncle Teddy for President. (none / 0) (#148)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:20:51 PM EST


    Heh, Poster boy for hard living (none / 0) (#173)
    by Stellaaa on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:34:14 PM EST
    Ted.  Takes a licking and keeps ticking.  

    Honestly, the sailboat.  Lets see if he mentions the Democratic Party.  

    The hall seems to swallow all the energy, stifling (none / 0) (#180)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:37:17 PM EST
    the crowd reactions and even the main speakers seem kind of distant.

    Or is it just PBS's feed?? Strange.

    Ah, C-Span seems like better sound, more depth, clearer.

    He looks pretty good (none / 0) (#181)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:37:20 PM EST
    I hope this doesn't cause a setback for his condition, though.

    And Joe Biden gives a good shot (none / 0) (#186)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39:46 PM EST
    of following the music.

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    I could care less about tonight's crew. (none / 0) (#184)
    by WillBFair on Mon Aug 25, 2008 at 08:39:10 PM EST
    Michelle Obama? Please. Has she ever done anything worth a glance?
    I'm just thrilled that the party is running with the Clinton policy agenda: middle class tax cuts, strategic investment, fiscal responsibility, health care, green energy, etc...
    Obama swipted it from day one. But it looks like the dem brass recognize it as the standard by which they should govern. Yahoo!
    Can't wait to hear my sweet Hillary tomorrow, and then Bill, the greatest orator of our time. It'll be the last chance to hear their plain, clear, and elegant speech, as opposed to Obama's shallow cliches and canned rhetoric.
    I'll vote for him in a N.Y. minute. I just can't listen to him.