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    I didn't think the NY Post had it in them (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by cmugirl on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:05:18 AM EST

    Someone in the media who finally gets it.

    LINK

    Trouble is for those who just out and out (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:09:43 AM EST
    hate Hillary, informative articles like these will not be given any notice or credence, sorry to say.  Those of us who are really paying attention know what has gone on, but it hasn't changed the outcomes.  For this supposedly being the year of the dems, you wouldn't know it.  

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    Tijeanie.....1's for no reason is against (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:27:13 AM EST
    site rules....get a grip

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    Ehhhh. (5.00 / 0) (#87)
    by Eleanor A on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:36:13 AM EST
    Blaming Hillary for not getting herself selected as VP is more of the same bashing we've seen for months.  I almost hit the button myself, but the mention of debt retirement stayed my hand.

    https://contribute.hillarycampaign2008.com


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    And as an Obama supporter I (2.00 / 1) (#33)
    by TheJoker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:32 AM EST
    would like some damn respect for Obama's many gifts. As I watched Hill's speech, I admit I was surprised and saddened. My Obama friends and I thought "why didn't we hear this from these two during the primaries and the last few months? She definitely would have been on the ticket either on top or #2. Instead we got divisive politics from both sides, and supporters calling each other slurs and treating each other like enemies. I almost cried thinking what could have been with these two on ticket. Oh btw, I'm donating now to retire her debt and I'm encouraging any Obama supporters in my circle to bury the hatchet and do the same. And if B. Obama gets elected, I will then give more to her.

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    Thanks, but then you weren't listening (5.00 / 8) (#52)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26:45 AM EST
    becaise this is exactly the Hillary Clinton that 18 million saw and heard ever since Iowa.

    You could look it up.

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    Look I'll admit I had a blind spot (none / 0) (#103)
    by TheJoker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:40:18 AM EST
    but that Obama is ALSO a good person who had many strengths. I wasn't a Hillary hater, I just liked what Obama had to say, alright? I would've voted for her had she got the nomination because she is a progressive. The CDS/ODS got WAY out of hand and I did my best to resist it. I never lied about either of the candidates' progressive stances, or slandered their spouses, and most Obama supporters would have voted for Hill according the polls after the primaries.

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    I don't think you get to tell us what trolling is. (5.00 / 2) (#182)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:14:24 PM EST
    I could be wrong, of course, but I think that's up to the site owner.

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    Since you agree that "it was just (5.00 / 2) (#185)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:15:43 PM EST
    a blind spot" is a salutary justification, maybe it's just more "blind spots."  So you are saying that some blind spots are okay.  But not others.

    Best you backtrack to that, before the logical next step in such a discussion.  Best leave it alone.

    As for your misstatements of what the blog hosts say, I'll leave that to moderators.

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    Okay (none / 0) (#201)
    by standingup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:33:31 PM EST
    I'll bite.  Please explain the difference between critique and libel to me.  

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    Well Joker, as it has been said time and (5.00 / 4) (#58)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28:41 AM EST
    time again, you have to give respect to get respect....

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    You are hurting (5.00 / 6) (#121)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:46:57 AM EST
    Obama with your comment. You can not "demand" respect from people. It's one of the many problems Obama has. You have to "earn" respect. He will have a chance to make or break it on Thursday.

    Why do you think Hillary won all those swing state primaries? The person you saw last night is the person she's been campaigning as for months.

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    Sorry... (5.00 / 3) (#129)
    by kredwyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:49:24 AM EST
    You earn respect...it is not due...nor can it be demanded.

    Actually, when you demand respect, you look kinda whiney.

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    It (5.00 / 6) (#160)
    by tek on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:02:12 PM EST
    infuriates me to read that "we didn't hear this from Hillary before."  Hillary hasn't changed, she's as dynamic as she always has been.  But during the primaries Obama people were to busy repeating Republican hate speak to hear what she was saying or see how presidential she is.  Not Hillary's fault.  you need to open your eyes and your ears.  And y'know, maybe a lot of you people just need to admit you were wrong, including Obama.

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    THAT is a great article (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:13:38 AM EST
    thanks :-)

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    No progressive paper could print that (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by dianem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:44:38 AM EST
    They would instantly be marked as anti-Democrat by the authoritarian left who currently control the debate and would be relegated to the margins of the political influence spectrum.

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    Bill Clinton left out of pack of Dem playing cards (none / 0) (#108)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:41:57 AM EST
    Your link lead me to this link and this astonishing tidbit. Petty seems to apply to something like this, no?

    Bill Clinton got dealt out.

    The 42nd president wasn't included in Democratic picture playing cards on sale at the convention.

    Obama's face appears on all the kings and aces. The queens include Oprah Winfrey (hearts), Hillary Clinton (diamonds), Michelle Obama (spades) and Nancy Pelosi (clubs).

    (My emphasis)

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    I think that's right (5.00 / 1) (#163)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:02:34 PM EST
    Bill Clinton doesn't see this process as a game. I think he would have been insulted more being included. I'm sorry they included Hillary. It reminds me of those horrible decks of cards created for the Iraq war. That, also, was not a game!


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    and why would they want to make Michelle (none / 0) (#159)
    by Lil on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:02:07 PM EST
    queen of spades. A deck of cards is dumb, but if they're gonna do it....

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    new CNN poll (none / 0) (#136)
    by Josey on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:50:44 AM EST
    >>>A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll out Wednesday indicates that the American public considers presumed Republican presidential nominee John McCain better than Obama on terrorism and Iraq, and voters consider McCain a stronger leader who would have better judgment in an international crisis.

    Fifty-eight percent of those questioned think Obama can handle the responsibilities of commander-in-chief, but that pales in comparison to the 78 percent who feel that way about McCain.

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    I question any candidate that risk winning the GE (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Saul on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10:06 AM EST
     
    Obama IMO is taking a risk with Biden when there was no need to take this risk. He's irresponsibly  betting the farm  with his choice   Hilary had to speak last night solely to convince her supporters to vote for Obama.  This was not a speech that would have been necessary had he picked Hilary.   So not only did Hilary lose the nomination, she also had to go out of her way so Obama does not lose the GE.

    What does this say about Obama.  

    He didn't look that happy last night (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:27:58 AM EST
    He was not all the smiles we usually see from him. He smiled especially when Hillary mentioned his wife. Now that was a real smile from within and not one just pasted on his face.

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    The Ayers thing is starting to heat up... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by cosbo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10:16 AM EST
    it seems. Looks like Obama is trying to squash the ads. Sigh.

    For those obama followers who swear (5.00 / 4) (#7)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:12:01 AM EST
    he didn't/doesn't have any baggage and Hillary would weigh him down.....I say bwaaahahahahaha.
    Seems they have been bamboozled. :)

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    I heard a bit about it. (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:18:01 AM EST
    Obama best tread carefully lest his Media Darling status begin to slip.  If the Media goes to town on Obama like they did on the Clintons, we'll find out whether Obama can take it.

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    team Obama got caught (5.00 / 7) (#61)
    by TimNCGuy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:22 AM EST
    Team Obama sent a letter to all media stations that might carry a 527 ad about the Ayers connection.  The ad claims Obama referred to Ayers as "respectable" and "mainstream".  Team Obama claims those words were NEVER used.

    The 527 sent out a response with the direct quotes from the Obama campaign using those exact terms.  Some from his campaign website.

    The Obama camps response, ...  just wait for this cause you know what it's going to be.

    But, Barack Obama never personally used those words.

    So, the new claim now is that Obama isn't even responsible for the statements on his own campaign website.

    LOL

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    Angels dancing on the head of a pin... (5.00 / 3) (#68)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:31:39 AM EST
    ...I tell you. Betcha MSNBC buys it though.

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    angels on the head of a pin (none / 0) (#128)
    by marian evans on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:49:24 AM EST
    Ah, campaign strategy brought to you by...Duns Scotus.

    Duns puns, here please.

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    It was Teh Staff! (5.00 / 3) (#78)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:47 AM EST
    Teh Staff In the database, With a mouse....

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    There was a guy on Greta last (5.00 / 3) (#67)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30:34 AM EST
    night talking about Obama's relationship with Ayers and what info he's found. So it might really get ugly with it again.

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    Yeah, I always thought the Ayers stuff (none / 0) (#192)
    by Valhalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:22:08 PM EST
    would get ugly eventually, new revelations or no.

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    This Is a Mistake... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by bmc on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:10:38 AM EST
    Grandiosity much?

    Okay, trying to be fair, but this just seems so patently over-the-top, and sure to be used against them...

    http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=5660266

    I don't care. (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:17 AM EST
    Obama could give his speech in a subway station for all I care.

    It's what he says that matters.  It's not the man, it's the message.

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    thats just it (5.00 / 4) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:15:01 AM EST
    all people are going to see is the spectacle.


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    It matters (5.00 / 7) (#19)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17:07 AM EST
    He is willfully playing into the celebrity theme and making it worse. I blew this off until I saw the pic of it under construction.

    Yikes...are they this tone deaf?!

    Picture of set under construction

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    Obviously, they are... (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:18:41 AM EST
    can't say we didn't try to tell them.

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    Yes, they are. (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:19:58 AM EST
    Some of us have known this for months and have thought that maybe, when they pivoted into the GE, this self aggrandizement would be squelched.

    Obama is consistent.  I can say that much for him.

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    ZOMG, what's with the columns? (5.00 / 5) (#30)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:16 AM EST
    Is this, like, a subliminal Lincoln Memorial reference? Or is he running for Caesar?

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    I assume they are going to say (5.00 / 6) (#40)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:05 AM EST
    Lincoln Memorial but the Lincoln columns are not curved. I don't know, I only know the McCain camp today asked if that pic was from The Onion.

    It is obvious where they are going with this.

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    Expect plenty of "Spinal Tap" (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by Landulph on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:32:35 AM EST
    references from the GOP in coming days. Yeesh.

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    I'm just praying (5.00 / 1) (#145)
    by Nadai on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:54:25 AM EST
    he doesn't wear a purple toga.

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    I hope he does! (5.00 / 1) (#151)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:57:28 AM EST
    I got (none / 0) (#51)
    by magisterludi on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26:28 AM EST
    Greek pantheon, by Zeus!

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    Please, please tell me (5.00 / 3) (#41)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:05 AM EST
    that is not a faux presidential seal on the podium that I see -- the seal with the web address and Vera Possum on it.  Ooops, I mean Vero Possumus!

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    really? (none / 0) (#173)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:07:07 PM EST
    I'm not seeing the podium yet.  Is there a second picture you're looking at which shows what could be that dreaded Seal?

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    Reminder of the Seal (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37:34 AM EST
    I see where they are going with this, but I do think it is over the top. I mean, Hillary spoke at a Roger Rabbit Toon Town set and yet people heard her speech. They heard every word of it. It is probably only me who thought the idea was a bit arrogant in the first place. Seeing the set I am thinking Walt's half time show. I am sure it will be beautiful with the right lighting and night time and all but I would prefer something more normal. But then again, Obama and the DNC are going for change and THIS is change for sure.

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    Evidently they learned nothing from the (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by Valhalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47:30 AM EST
    possum seal.

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    OMG (5.00 / 1) (#146)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55:11 AM EST
    Looks like the set of The West Wing with the portico.  Nothing presumptuous about that, no not at all.

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    Celebrity? Try the godhead! (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:00:19 PM EST
    Webster 1913 (print)      

    God"head (?), n. [OE. godhed. See -head, and cf. Godhood.]

    1. Godship; deity; divinity; divine nature or essence; godhood.

    Or Change tranforms American Idol into American God! Like something out of the Greek myths.

    Oh my.

    Note: I have not "seen the light."

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    Some here last night..... (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:20:22 AM EST
    ...likened it to the Stonehenge set in This is Spinal Tape. So now I can't get that silly song out of my head.

    And oh how they danced
    The little children of Stonehenge
    Beneath the haunted moon
    For fear that daybreak might come too soon


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    yeah (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:27 AM EST
    this is not going to go over well.  it is another big mistake along the lines of the Berlin rally.

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    I think he shouyld parachute in (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:16:22 AM EST
    I think (5.00 / 3) (#31)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:18 AM EST
    he should be flown in on a cloud, supported by winged cherubs.

    Why not go for the max?

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    not cherubs (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:22:34 AM EST
    women

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    Naw, the women (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28:34 AM EST
    will follow the chariots in the triumphal procession, bearing baskets of tribute.

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    All hail barackules!! (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:30 AM EST
    Talk about delusions of grandeur.

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    Where's Russell Crowe (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by Landulph on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:38:37 AM EST
    when you need him?

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    Obama's torchbearers (5.00 / 2) (#168)
    by marian evans on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:05:22 PM EST
    Maybe that is what the Obama "torchbearers" (as per Senator Obama's website; and no, I couldn't believe it either) are going to be used for - i.e. the group of under 35 year old women the Obama campaign is recruiting.

    Great message - the first serious woman candidate for US president has the door slammed shut in her face, and as a consolation prize women get to "hold a torch for Obama".

    Nice touch.

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    Vestal Verae Possumae. :-) (5.00 / 2) (#189)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:20:18 PM EST
    This is why (5.00 / 2) (#206)
    by Redshoes on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:42:27 PM EST
    you have to focus on policy and not personality. Focus people, focus.   But he and his minions sure make it hard.


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    Vestal Verae Possumae. :-) (5.00 / 1) (#207)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:43:18 PM EST
    Yes it is (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17:44 AM EST
    these great ideas...the international tour, this thing - they really don't work.  

    Will someone please listen to me!  They don't work.

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    and then light a torch (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:22:51 AM EST
    like that guy at the Olympics!

    heh

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    Here's to hoping the DNC (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by cawaltz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:09 AM EST
    has enough sense not to use a banner saying mission accomplished.

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    This is making me look forward to his speech... (5.00 / 3) (#90)
    by Firewalker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:36:52 AM EST
    for all the wrong reasons.

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    and look at the descriptive words!! (5.00 / 1) (#133)
    by befuddledvoter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:50:04 AM EST
    He will stride out to a raised platform to a podium that can be raised from beneath the floor.

    The show should provide a striking image for the millions of Americans watching on television as Obama delivers a speech accepting the Democratic presidential nomination.

    THIS IS AN AWFUL IDEA!!  THEATRICS, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. OH MY GOD!!  HE WILL UNDO ALL THE GOOD HILLARY ACCOMPLISHED IN HER SPEECH!!


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    I was sure he would rise (5.00 / 2) (#152)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:58:33 AM EST
    through the floor-not the podium.  A missed opportunity.

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    Stride? Really? Not bestride? (5.00 / 2) (#177)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:08:07 PM EST
    Reminds me of this from Shakespeare's JULIUS CAESAR.

    Cassius to Brutus, speaking of Caesar:

    Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world
    Like a Colossus; and we petty men
    Walk under his huge legs, and peep about
    To find ourselves dishonourable graves.
    Men at some time are masters of their fates:
    The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars,
    But in ourselves, that we are underlings.


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    Bravo! (5.00 / 1) (#197)
    by miriam on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:25:13 PM EST
    No one, buy NO ONE, does it better than WS.  Timeless..he could see this as inevitable when men get drunk with power.

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    KISS! (5.00 / 1) (#180)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:13:54 PM EST
    Yeah, baby, Yeah!

    I want smoke and fireworks pyrotechnics!

    I want the flying drum solo!

    I want...

    hmmm...a political speech?

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    I agree (none / 0) (#142)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:52:53 AM EST
    ROTFLMAO! (5.00 / 2) (#172)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:07:02 PM EST
    Or maybe he can wear winged shoes and float into the arena.LOL.

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    Oh, my god! (5.00 / 1) (#187)
    by miriam on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:18:49 PM EST
    They can't be serious about this tasteless spectacle...can they?  For anyone over the age of 40 it's going to remind us of nothing so much as an exact replica of Adolph Hitler's staging with the pillars, raised platform, etc.  Do these people EVER pick up a history book?  Are they utterly clueless?  This is more than a mistake.  It's hubris to the extreme and an example of "Pride Goeth Before A Fall."  No, it's worse...it's a sure fire way to invite ridicule.

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    history (none / 0) (#208)
    by marian evans on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:48:54 PM EST
    Actually, Washington is a reflection of the second Augustan Age - it is an Enlightenment paean to the Classical era.

    A post-modern mash-up of a cultural reference seems the closest the designers of this little spectacle get to the Enlightenment ideals that really do form the bedrock of American "virtue" (in Virgil's sense of civic duty).

    Less pseudo-Classical architecture, more authentic "virtue', thanks very much.

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    Obama seems to have penchant for columns-- (none / 0) (#138)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:51:47 AM EST
    he's chosen several buildings where columns were prominent. I never gave it much thought until they actually decided to add them to a football stadium venue, which makes it look as if they sought out those locations for his appearances.

    IIRC, he gave  non-victory victory speech at one such location after, what, NH? Not totally sure. But, lots of columns in my memory.

    I'm willing to stand corrected.

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    I think this part of your (5.00 / 1) (#154)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:00:12 PM EST
    statement says a lot!

    "he's chosen several buildings where columns were prominent"

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    Wasn't the VP announcement bldg one w/ columns? (none / 0) (#166)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:04:33 PM EST
    Seem to recall someone pointed out the columns got in the way of the audience seeing the principals on the "stage."

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    Too bad your boss was so late to the (5.00 / 4) (#9)
    by PssttCmere08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:12:53 AM EST
    party...

    Who was Media Darling? (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:24:51 AM EST
    Who got his appearances carried live?

    It's not much of a surprise that people don't know Hillary.  Super Tuesday was ages ago, and that was the last time I remember Hillary getting as much air time.

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    I was still breathless this morning, (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Lil on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:22 AM EST
    over that speech last night. Unfortunately work meetings took some wind out of the room, but thanks for the open thread. You guys/gals, send Hillary some money.

    the funny thing is (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17:20 AM EST
    I think maybe it was supposed to look like the white house.
    surely they didnt want it to look like a temple.
    surely.

    I thought so... (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by kredwyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:31 AM EST
    but it comes off as a cross between the two of them...and kinda odd.

    And frankly, there's something odd about the presence of a WH front...and adds that say "Obama. President."

    There's an absence of this: "I'm Barack Obama. And I'm running for President."

    It's almost like they're trying to advertise it as a done deal rather than what he is doing...applying for the job.

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    yeah (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:35:40 AM EST
    I guess the replica of the oval office idea was rejected

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    I guess... (none / 0) (#109)
    by kredwyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:42:28 AM EST
    who knows. Hot Air's post about the other O seal was interesting.

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    exactly (5.00 / 2) (#105)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:41:09 AM EST
    it's a bit like the person who comes to interview for a job with you and starts off asking when does he start and how large are the bonuses.

    Of course, as he's discussing what office furniture he's going to need, you're finally realizing that it's not that he forgot to bring the rest of his resume.  The one page -- with his name and contact info in bold, fancy scrip taking up a generous 1/4 of it -- you're holding in your hand is it!

    That's kind of how Obama is feeling to me ... and probably most Americans.  And I don't think his speech in front of his pretend White House on Thursday is gonna help.

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    I am starting to think (5.00 / 3) (#122)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47:13 AM EST
    the believe their own spin.  very stupid and dangerous.  but honestly, what else explains this?

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    Because McCain and even Clinton (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55:39 AM EST
    are so oooooold to a certain age group.  I teach them.  I've got one foot in the retirement home, in their eyes.  Fortunately for me, it works when teaching history.  But it is still a shocker when they think that I must have been old enough to vote for FDR.  Or even for JFK.

    By the time I was old enough to vote . . . well, I voted for McGovern.  But as you may recall, I was one of too few who remembered to register and then show up.  Of course, I had grown up a lot in the three years since I was 18, as that was before we amended the Constitution to lower the age req.

    So let us do remember that a lot of these voters are teenagers.  (And as one who fought for the right to vote if my classmates were old enough to go to war and die for the country, I'm all for it.  But that doesn't change the fact that they're teenagers.  And it is their future that we all are voting about, after all.)

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    Awww, the sublimial message (none / 0) (#165)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:04:17 PM EST
    Buy Popcorn. You are hungry. Buy Hot Dogs. You are thirsty. Buy Soda, etc.

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    So Over The Top (none / 0) (#199)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:27:34 PM EST
    and that's a pattern. How can anyone possibly think he has a grasp on the economic struggles of the average americans with this kind of OTT spending. All just to strike the imagination.

    This money he is blowing right and left is coming from small donations from his new democrats? College students? And, when he runs out of money, he just broadcast emails for more.

    Sheesh.


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    It will have hundreds of flags (none / 0) (#63)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:26 AM EST
    in front of it anyway. No one will be sure what the heck it is. Gotta look Presidential, you know.

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    Man, I hope (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by magisterludi on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:32:36 AM EST
    they're US state flags.

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    HA (5.00 / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:34:44 AM EST
    youre bad

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    All 57 of them! (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:36:51 AM EST
    About that Invesco extravaganza, (5.00 / 3) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:17:37 AM EST
    ThinkProgress has this:

    Reuters reports that Barack Obama will deliver his Thursday night acceptance speech before an "elaborate columned stage resembling a miniature Greek temple"

    Conservatives are mocking the stage as a "temple of Obama." Ed Morrissey writes, "That this scales heights of presumptuousness can hardly be refuted." One anonymous McCain adviser quipped, "Is this from the Onion?" No, but it may be inspired by the stage at the 2008 Virginia Republican Convention.

    Victor Davis Hanson chimes in with his criticism, calling the Greek columns "blind hubris."

    ThinkProgress has pictures.

    Can we have Hillary back now? (5.00 / 5) (#35)
    by nycstray on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:41 AM EST
    Please? (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:48 AM EST
    Looks Roman (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by eric on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:39:47 AM EST
    to me.  You know, like almost every government building in Washington, D.C.?  Oh, oh, what a terrible idea.  The real question is: Are those columns Doric, Ionic or Tuscan?

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    that's what I thought (5.00 / 0) (#137)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:50:48 AM EST
    Sounds more like the Lincoln Memorial. Maybe he'll deliver the speech seated in a big chair.

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    Like in Laugh In (none / 0) (#174)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:07:13 PM EST
    With Lily Tomlin sitting in the big rocking chair.  I had to look up the name but it is Edith Ann.

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    Uhm, Corinthian not Tuscan unless (none / 0) (#167)
    by santarita on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:04:50 PM EST
    Tuscan is the name of Post-Partisan columns.

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    They're (5.00 / 1) (#181)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:14:19 PM EST
    already defensive about this over a TP talking about how the VA GOP used a smiliar background. Well, I seem to remember that the VA GOP has been a loser in state elections for 7 years. Why would anyone want to emulate that?

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    VA columns (none / 0) (#209)
    by pukemoana on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 01:20:51 PM EST
    the VA Gop might have used a similar background, but aren't columns part of Virginian architectural history?  and so using them would be about referencing location?  

    when I first arrived in the usa, living in upstate ny, one of the things i found hilarious was the greek revival houses--these giant columns on nondescript houses

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    Who cares what Hanson thinks! (3.00 / 0) (#42)
    by irishdem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:29 AM EST
    Certainly no one agreeing with Victor Hanson would consider voting for a democrat? Is that not what this convention is about electing a democrat!!

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    We need to care what the pubs think (5.00 / 3) (#48)
    by americanincanada on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25:35 AM EST
    because democrats are not the only ones voting in this election and Obama is going to need far more than just the convention delegates to vote for him in order to win.

    How the republicans frame this speech matters, whether we like it or not. The celebrity theme has stuck and Obama and his campaign are now feeding it.

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    Everybody is a pundit (5.00 / 4) (#32)
    by Emma on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:24 AM EST
    For YEARS the Dem party has been asking its members to play Jr. Political Pundit about its candidates.  For years the Dems have asked their constituencies - women, gays, African Americans -- to put aside their personal concerns in service of the greater good.  Forget about gay rights, for now.  Forget about equal pay, for now.  Forget about universal health care (or insurance), for now.  Look at the bigger picture!  

    Look at Bob Casey as one illustrative example:  Dems said "We need a Dem Congress, women, forget that he's anti-choice, focus on the BIG PICTURE!!"  Obama's courting of evangelicals is the exact same thing and requires the exact same thing from us:  forget about choice "for now".

    Well, now the Dems are hoist on their own petard.  PUMAs, McCain Democrats, those who can't vote for Obama, those who won't blindly follow Hillary, are doing exactly what the Dems have required of us for years.  We are putting aside our short-term goals (e.g., Dem President) in favor of looking at the BIG PICTURE (e.g., hunker down for 4 years of McCain and get Hillary in 2012).

    We might be wrong about the big picture, true. And certainly the Dems "big picture" differs significantly from mine. But nobody can complain about the process:  we're doing what the Dems have required us to do for decades, we're engaging in Jr. Political Punditry before we cast our votes.  

    Hey, you hold your nose to vote for one, you hold your nose to vote for the other.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    and if the Dems (5.00 / 4) (#69)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:31:48 AM EST
    would just occasionally deliver on some of these promises, it might be easier to vote and look at "the Big Picture".

    But now it's a bit like that employee you have who isn't pulling his weight.  He promises he'll get to X, Y and Z and then, the next day, it's not done.  So, you let him off the hook as he promises, yet again, that he'll get to X, Y and Z and, again, he doesn't.  Time and time again, promises are broken while he gets a paycheck and reaps the benefits of his non-action.

    At some point you just gotta let him go, deal with the short term ramifications to the department as you seek to find someone new and look at the "Big Picture".

    Obama doesn't seem to share the same views I do of the Democratic Party.  I'm guessing, though, as I'm not quite sure WHAT, exactly, he believes in as the specifics often get lost in the Hopey, Changey, post-Partisan mumbo-jumbo.

    If a Democratic Majority in both the House and Senate can't protect us from the worst effects of a McCain Presidency, why should we vote for them?  

    I mean, that IS their job, right?

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    add to that (none / 0) (#194)
    by Monda on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:23:15 PM EST
    Bob Casey's answer last night after his speech.  It made me so angry.  When asked what difference was now from 16 years ago when his father was not allowed to speak at the Democratic Convention, he said: this is an example of Barack Obama reaching out to people with different opinions and bla bla bla.  
    You moron, you and the CNN (who knew the answer very well.) The difference was his father refused to endorse the clear nominee that year, Bill Clinton.  And furthermore, or more importantly his father wanted to make a 30 minute speech against abortion at the convention. Reaching out my foot ...

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    dont blame us (5.00 / 6) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:53 AM EST
    we wanted the candidate who could win

    KO is a joke ... (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:22:08 AM EST
    it's like he watched the movie NETWORK, and took it as a career counseling video.

    Peter Finch, btw, did angry prophet act much more effectively.  Of course, he knew he was in a satirical work of fiction.

    And Peter Finch (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:34:58 AM EST
    died right after he made that movie; received Academy Award for Network the only actor to have received and academy award posthumously.

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    Love all the unity!!! (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:38 AM EST


    ditto (2.00 / 0) (#93)
    by irishdem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37:22 AM EST
    cutting off our noses to spite our face!

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    10 comments irishdem (none / 0) (#203)
    by waldenpond on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:34:45 PM EST
    Reminder... new commenters (those less than 30 days) are limited to 10 comments.  If you haven't yet, take some time to check out the comment rules.  Thanks.

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    What it means to be a Democrat (5.00 / 5) (#49)
    by kredwyn on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25:54 AM EST
    BTD...what I just read in that post is exactly why I think that Michelle was watching it with a pursed mouth.

    Hillary explained vividly what it means to be a Dem. However, that's not what the Obama campaign is going for...not when they put two life-long Republicans on stage for speeches.

    It may be what you want. It may be what I want. But I don't think that's what the campaign's interested in.

    And while her speech may fire up the base...it's the candidate's substance and actions that keeps that fire going...

    Were she the candidate, I have no doubt that the base would stay burning. But I'm not sure that it'll be the same with Obama.

    Indeed, I half expect someone to come out and say "What Hillary really meant was..." in order to appease some wounded ego or other.

    Why, yes, I was in it for her (5.00 / 2) (#83)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:35:15 AM EST
    and her ideals. If his ideals are the same, now would be a good time to make that clear.

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    I will, thanks... (5.00 / 4) (#59)
    by pmj6 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:28:43 AM EST
    ...at the very least with McCain as President we can expect to build the Democratic majority in Congress and hope the Dem Party establishment abandons the "post-partisanship" insanity and returns to its senses. With President Obama, who knows what's he going to do in the name of post-partisan Unity...

    With McCain, I know what I am getting (and no, it's not Bush's third term). With Obama, I have no clue, nothing to base any predictions on.

    With McCain you know what you're getting? (none / 0) (#176)
    by steviez314 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:07:44 PM EST
    You have no idea how much of a hot-tempered warmonger he will turn out to be.  He has surrounded himself with the vile neo-cons whose first thought is always more bluster and more threats.

    Sorry, I don't think you have a real clue about the "new" McCain and his gang of advisors, and how truly dangerous he will be.

    Sure, we can postpone health care for 4 years.  Yes, we can turn down Supreme Court nominees.  But this cannot be fixed later:

    "My friends, we will have more wars."

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    LOL, you're talking to the wrong dude... (5.00 / 4) (#64)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:49 AM EST
    Captain Howdy owns his negativity with a vengeance and a smile. That's why he's one of my favorite posters.

    ha (5.00 / 2) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:18 AM EST
    could be said I wallow in the stuff

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    I conceed she impressed me with (5.00 / 3) (#65)
    by TheJoker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30:27 AM EST
    the respect she showed to the Obamas and then appealing to my progressive ideals instead of my loyalty to a particular person. As a 25 year old woman, my whole focus has been on the future, but she made me think about the struggles of the country's past. She earned my respect last night. She may be more than what the CDS pundits say. Now it's time for Obama to do the same. The stage and the future of the Dem party is in his court now.

    Whaaaat? (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by Eleanor A on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:38:49 AM EST
    I'm no Obama fan - I'm planning to write in Hillary - but there are plenty of reasons women support candidates other than appearance.

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    Heh (5.00 / 3) (#104)
    by cawaltz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:40:38 AM EST
    Yeah, in this case, there is the hope and the change. Hopey change how wonderous.

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    Why? (5.00 / 1) (#134)
    by cawaltz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:50:35 AM EST
    Just because there are empty headed folks who appear to believe our best bet is vague blurriness doesn't mean that you shouldn't respect those women who continue day after day to press for addressing the issues that effect women on a day to day basis. I continue to respect Clinton and women like her. Women, who day in and day out go toe to toe on issues like poverty and reproductive choice, and refuse to compromise their principles, even if those very principles mean they get called ugly things.

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    For all the "shenanigans" (5.00 / 2) (#164)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:04:14 PM EST
    during the primary, are you really so sure we didn't elect the woman? She may not have gotten credit for the win, but I'm pretty sure she won.


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    I really can't tell you, hon.... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:41:36 AM EST
    ...even when I was a young woman, I always liked younger men. Now that I'm an older woman, he's not really my type. But then neither was Bill Clinton, much as I adored him I never got the sex appeal.

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    BUt, oh! That MIND! That got me. (none / 0) (#112)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:43:36 AM EST
    For Hillary... (none / 0) (#196)
    by Lou Grinzo on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:23:51 PM EST
    ...it was his hands.  Seriously.  I remember hearing not to long ago that she said the first thing that she noticed about Bill when they first met (in a university library, I think) was his hands.

    The first thing my wife noticed about me on our first day of college classes was my big mouth, and she instantly hated me.  She was a hard sell, and it took years, but it was definitely worth it.


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    Fawning over Obama? Where do you (5.00 / 1) (#126)
    by TheJoker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:48:31 AM EST
    get off? He's not my type, thank you very much. I and millions of women stood for him on the issues and his progressive stances. We also liked his message and his skill for inspiration through words. It had nothing to do with looks. My mom was for Hillary, so I know not to hold Mrs. Clinton responsible for every sick and twisted thing her supporters say. Who do you think you are?!!

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    I'm sorry, what progressive stances? (5.00 / 4) (#144)
    by cmugirl on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:54:10 AM EST
    His reluctance on reproductive rights?  His stance on NAFTA?  His wanting to vote to confirm Roberts?  His FISA vote?  His voting to fund the Iraq war? His ability to always blame someone else and not take responsibility for anything?

    Those progressive stances?

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    His (5.00 / 2) (#171)
    by tek on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:06:46 PM EST
    ability to always blame someone else and never take responsibility.  i think we have a match--to the college youth.

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    No 'Reluctance' On Reproductive Rights (none / 0) (#200)
    by daring grace on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:30:38 PM EST
    NARAL endorsed him in May

    Planned Parenthood endorsed Obama on July 8

    "The Planned Parenthood Action Fund is proud to endorse Barack Obama for president of the United States," said Action Fund president Cecile Richards in a press release. "He is a passionate advocate for women's rights, and has a long and consistent record of standing up for women's health care. As president, he will improve access to quality health care for women, support and protect a woman's right to choose, support comprehensive sex education to keep our young people healthy and safe, and invest in prevention programs, including family planning services and breast cancer screenings."

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    Heh (5.00 / 1) (#150)
    by cawaltz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:56:35 AM EST
    How bout that progressive stance on FISA, his love of the Cheney energy policy(and ties to exelon), his Harry and Louise ads and insistance that providing health care to everyone means FORCING them to choose between rent and health care, his love of the free market and scorn for regulation(even as our economy tanks due to irresponsible lending). He's quite the progressive(tongue firmly in cheek).  

    Oh wait I forgot the rousing speech on Iraq. At least that much was good as long as we ignore his continued funding.

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    Really? (5.00 / 1) (#158)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:01:55 PM EST
    So why single out women??? If you have a problem with our support of Obama why even bother to mention women?  It's okay for men to love his message and inspiration but not women?  Or do you just assume they had better reasons?  I'm sorry but this just sounds like sexist b.s. to me. The fact it, younger voters of BOTH GENDERS voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

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    Ugh (none / 0) (#118)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:45:32 AM EST
    Maybe for the same reasons young men did.  I'll give you a hint, it's not cause of a crush.

    I saw more "fawning" out of Chris Matthews than I did on anyone under the age of 30.

    I am not sure why you presume to know why young women might vote for him and attribute it all to his looks.  Maybe because you never had any respect to begin with.

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    No you can't guess (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by CST on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55:36 AM EST
    Even close to that high.  It just proves you don't know any young women.  I have heard many reasons for liking the man, but his "sex appeal" was never, not even once, one of them.  I'll give you 1% MAYBE.

    And thank you very much, I've got plenty of self-respect which is why I won't take this cr@p from you about young women.

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    Ah well. My generation swooned (none / 0) (#123)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47:23 AM EST
    for Mick Jagger.  Go figure.  Obama -- and just about anybody -- is better looking than that!

    Or, actually, some swooned for him -- including a lot of guys, in their equivalent way.  I didn't, though.  So in every generation, there are swooners and non-swooners.  And psychologists who have a lot of fun with the former.

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    Mine was JFK (none / 0) (#204)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:35:31 PM EST
    and I was only 10!  I thought he was the best looking man ever. He looked much like my Irish grandfather, I was a PA kid and couldn't understand why he had a funny accent.

    This Hillary supporter thinks Obama is a very attractive man btw.

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    If Obama's smart ... (5.00 / 0) (#97)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:38:36 AM EST
    he will do something to play against the ridiculous pomposity of the Invesco event.

    Pick a moment, go off the teleprompter, and speak from the heart in simple language about why he's running and what he's going to do.

    It could be very powerful and surprising, and it would counter the effective attacks from McCain.

    I don't think he will do this.  But he should.

    I think that's what the Monday night... (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:44:48 AM EST
    ...moment with the family was supposed to be.

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    Maybe ... (none / 0) (#140)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:52:39 AM EST
    but I think it would be better in a venue like Invesco.  Everyone will be expecting "teh awesomeness," and he gives them something real.

    He won't do it.  But that would be my advice to him.

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    IMO this would be risky... (5.00 / 2) (#141)
    by skuld1 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:52:41 AM EST
    "Pick a moment, go off the teleprompter, and speak from the heart in simple language about why he's running and what he's going to do."

    I don't think he'll do it, it's a pretty risky move.  IMO he's not a particularly moving speaker (without teleprompter).

    The convention is the worst possible place to have a big gaffe.

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    Fortune favors the brave (none / 0) (#157)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:00:38 PM EST
    Of course it would be risky.  But we already know he can do the teleprompter, faux Kennedy thing.  We need to see he isn't afraid to let the mask slip.

    But he's not gonna do it.  So you needn't worry.

    He will play "teh awesome" candidate.  The media will swoon.  The public will yawn.  And he won't get the bounce from this convention that he needed.

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    No--he's really bad extemporaneously. Not a good (5.00 / 1) (#183)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:15:00 PM EST
    idea.

    He made his reputation with Axelrod's speeches; not a time to introduce the real human without the puppet masterly words.

    He give good teleprompter speeches, for the most part. Not good speaking off the cuff. Or even planned things without the teleprompter.

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    Whatever ... (5.00 / 1) (#202)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:33:40 PM EST
    but if can't do it here, he must do it somewhere.

    His candidacy is doomed if he continues to cling to the mask.

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    Blah (5.00 / 3) (#130)
    by nell on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:49:30 AM EST
    All I can think about today is that I wish Hillary were the nominee. I know, she told us not to go there, no coulda-woulda-shouldas but, that is what is on my mind.

    It should have been her.

    same here, nell (5.00 / 1) (#195)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:23:31 PM EST
    But I'm planning to get over it the only way I know how - yup, by watching the republican convention.

    The only thing that makes me want to vote for Obama is watching McCain and his brethren. It's the cure for what ails me. So I plan to punish myself with non-stop speeches by republicans in order to drum up the will to keep supporting NotMcCain.

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    this kind of makes (5.00 / 1) (#147)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:55:35 AM EST
    me think of the place where the President is usually Inaugurated at.

    Oh, I got it.  They're amateurishly attempting to bash us over the heads with the imagery of him being Inaugurated in January.

    Perhaps he forgot there's an Election he needs to win and millions and millions of votes he still needs to get ... many of them from Democrats?

    Page 6? (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:14:31 AM EST
    I have a bridge to sell you. . .

    Page 6 has a long-running vendetta (none / 0) (#120)
    by scribe on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:46:21 AM EST
    against Olbermann, doing stuff like outing his having received a powder-laced letter at home after he started going after Bush, putting in print false stories about him, etc.

    So I wouldn't feel really comfortable about citing Page 6 as authority re Olbermann (or much else, for that matter).

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    Maybe not fact, but (none / 0) (#188)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:20:09 PM EST
    Olbermann has certainly set himself up to be just crazy enough that a story like this is quite believable.

    Scarborough declined to talk to Page Six, but sources say he and NBC anchor Tom Brokaw disagree with MSNBC's decision to position itself as the channel for George W. Bush-haters.

    I liked that admission. It explains one big reason for how they keep any ratings, at all. Considering the 70% anti-Bush ratings in the country, they certainly broaden their demographic for viewers.

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    Maybe it's just me (none / 0) (#34)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:21:37 AM EST
    but I didn't even recognize Barbara Boxer yesterday!  She looked great.  Did anyone else see her?

    I didn't see her yesterday (5.00 / 0) (#81)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:35:02 AM EST
    But let me tell you, she is short in person. I still love her.

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    Picture? (none / 0) (#43)
    by MichaelGale on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:23:31 AM EST
    I like to look for the face lifts.

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    I saw her briefly and she did (none / 0) (#50)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:26:27 AM EST
    look great.

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    Ditto. Long hair, good color job. (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:06 AM EST
    Kind of breezy style of speaking.  The Rose Bird of the CA delegation.

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    She was so funny on (none / 0) (#161)
    by lilburro on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:02:13 PM EST
    Curb Your Enthusiasm...

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    I saw a funny picture over at the (none / 0) (#47)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:25:18 AM EST
    Confluence. It was of stagehands holding up 4 pantsuit jackets on the stage, under the lights. 2 shades of blue, one red and the eventual winner- ORANGE!

    smart woman (none / 0) (#84)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:35:40 AM EST
    the friends I have who go to Award shows and red carpet events will always, ALWAYS videotape themselves from all angles wearing the dress under lighting that approximates what it'll be like at the event.

    A good picture or appearance can make a career in the public eye as easily as a bad appearance can completely obliterate it.

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    Indeed, she is. (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:41:22 AM EST
    I just thought it was cute because the jackets were identical except for the color. I imagined her closet with pantsuits hanging in an orderly row. Loved her "Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuits" line.

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    heh (5.00 / 2) (#124)
    by ccpup on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:47:26 AM EST
    I think most people would agree that if you find a style that works for you, you keep it!

    :-)

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    Main stream Republicans yes not extremists (none / 0) (#60)
    by irishdem on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:04 AM EST


    The Post is a Murdoch rag. (none / 0) (#62)
    by magisterludi on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:24 AM EST
    Outside agitators extraordinaire.

    Joshua Green at theAtlantic.com still has a raging (none / 0) (#77)
    by Firewalker on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:33:45 AM EST
    case of CDS:
    "Clinton didn't seem angry or betrayed or entitled or any of the things that critics have attributed to her--she seemed merely unenthused, and so did the audience."
    Ugh. Did we watch the same speech?!? Remember, this is the same guy who got a hold of the Clinton campaign emails. There's more at the link, but I wouldn't bother. LINK

    He's just an ass.... (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by Maria Garcia on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37:00 AM EST
    I won't read anything he writes again. To paraphrase Barbara Bush: "So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?"

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    Unenthused? (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:39:35 AM EST
    I guess he wanted her to sing "Yankee Doodle Dandy" while doing the splits.

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    Twirling a baton on fire! (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:43:46 AM EST
    And in heels and dancing backwards (5.00 / 1) (#153)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:59:39 AM EST
    of course.  It's what good partners do.  Just ask Ginger Rogers.*

    *I know she didn't say it first.  But she made it famous.

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    Unenthisiastic??? The audience? Give me a break. (5.00 / 1) (#179)
    by jawbone on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:12:16 PM EST
    Joshua Green attacked Gore relentlessly (see Somerby's DailyHowler.com) and now is suffering from (hopefully terminal) CDS.

    He was on CBS w/ Couric "diss-cussing" Hillary. It was awful--and still hasn't read the entire Mark Penn memo.

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    Gotta link? (none / 0) (#91)
    by Radiowalla on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:36:54 AM EST


    Query: did Michelle Obama call (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:37:56 AM EST
    Hillary Clinton after the latter's speach?

    Gallup is still showing McCain 46% (none / 0) (#110)
    by zfran on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:42:39 AM EST
    Obama 44% and says the "change" from last week is conservative voters peeling away from Obama.

    My boy Alex Jones.... (none / 0) (#114)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:44:24 AM EST
    is out in Denver mixing it up...sun god bless him.  Had a run-in with Michelle Malkin...link.

    I'm starting to wonder about Recreate 68...one of their bigwigs calling Malkin a true patriot?  WTF?  I take anything from Mr. Jones with a grain of salt (as much as I dig him, I know he's crazy, but so am I:)...but who knows, they could have members on the CIA payroll, cointelpro 2008 style.

    WTF? is right. Malkin? Really? (none / 0) (#175)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:07:33 PM EST
    Question.... (none / 0) (#119)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:45:37 AM EST
    any DNC speakers talk about the war on drugs yet?  How about prison population?  

    I assume not, but would love to be proven wrong.

    Nah (none / 0) (#169)
    by cawaltz on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:05:40 PM EST
    Why clog up all the adoration for the One with a silly thing like issues? From what I have seen the DNC convention is reminiscent of a high school pep rally. Just a whole lotta "we're gonna beat the other team right after we hug them" cr*p.

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    yeah.... (5.00 / 1) (#205)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:36:01 PM EST
    just like the convention before this, and the convention before that, and the convention before that.

    High school pep rally...nail on the head.  I always skipped the pep rallys in high school, explains why I have a hard time tuning in to the convention.  The conventioners I've seen dancing to the music without a sliver of rhythym doesn't help either...we should call it the Stepford convention...very creepily robotic.  Maybe the cameramen just pick out the worst dancers...I domn't know.

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    Obama's fundraising (none / 0) (#132)
    by cmugirl on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:49:58 AM EST
    Still having trouble convincing some of HRC's big donors

    When Mr. Obama decided in June to bypass the $84 million in public financing for the general election, campaign officials calculated that to make it worth the additional time he would need to devote off the campaign trail to fund-raising, they needed to raise two to three times the $84 million.

    They set out a goal of raising $300 million for the campaign and $180 million for the Democratic Party, several fund-raisers said, or about $100 million a month.

    The targets hewed closely with what Obama advisers also cited in interviews as their anticipated budget for the general election, but a spokesman for the campaign insisted on Tuesday that its fund-raising was on target and denied that $100 million a month was ever a real goal, or that the campaign was having problems recruiting Clinton donors.

    In July, Mr. Obama and the Democratic National Committee took in about $77 million. That swamped the $53 million Mr. McCain and the Republican National Committee collected. But it was for a second straight month significantly off the pace Obama officials had set.

    In June, when Mrs. Clinton suspended her campaign, Clinton and Obama officials estimated they might be able to collect $50 million to $75 million or more from Clinton donors. They appear to be nowhere near that.

    Link

    If I was (none / 0) (#210)
    by Carolyn in Baltimore on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 01:38:23 PM EST
    a big Clinton donor - I think any money budgeted for politicians would be going directly to down ticket democrats and to issues.

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    John McCain (none / 0) (#143)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 11:54:10 AM EST
    loves all your unhelpful, nasty, baiting comments.  He wants you to keep it up.

    Joe Scarborough is a Hot Head (none / 0) (#162)
    by Desired User Name on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:02:23 PM EST
    Remember when he got steamed at Rachel Maddow and walked off the set of "Race for the White House with David Gregory"? I was watching!

    I have to admit though, if I had to be anywhere near Maddow, I'd act the same! All that crap she spewed last night about WHAT HILLARY HAS TO DO.
    That Maddow woman makes my stomach turn.

    Either way, it's horrible how disgusting MSNBC has become. Wowzers, what will they do if Obama loses? Will they simply go back to bashing Hillary in preparation for 2012?

    I believe that many Repubs hold Joe Scarborough in contempt. Frankly Joe isn't nearly as odious as the rest of them! I kinda like that Joe...

    Joe had a pretty dramatic (none / 0) (#191)
    by JavaCityPal on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:22:00 PM EST
    scandal that never seemed to blow up, then he left office quietly.

    I hope he's kept his mouth shut on the John Edward's topic.


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    Oh no (none / 0) (#186)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:18:07 PM EST
    Hopefully that picture can be pulled from Huffpo by Arianna herself out of respect for TL.


    I think she got it from the Confluence, (none / 0) (#193)
    by Joan in VA on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:22:21 PM EST
    which credited Jeralyn. I liked their caption: "Find the PUMA". Huffpo shouldn't be using it without attribution, at least.

    Joe's right about the independent crap (none / 0) (#198)
    by Edgar08 on Wed Aug 27, 2008 at 12:25:34 PM EST
    I think, in the real world, there's moderates who make difficult decisions about who can deliver the goods, but in the world of punditry, I have learned to distrust anyone who makes a big deal out of how they have no pre-dispositions.  I'd rather just know who they support so I can take them at face value, agree or disagree.

    The fact that Joe has come out looking the best in all of this is not so much a statement about him being so great but a statement about how utterly pathetic the rest of them are.